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maverick512000 said:
You do if he’s all you have. How many QBs did you think they should carry this season? In some ways it’s almost like Denver having to play a practice WR at QB.
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If they like Mills & think he has a future but isn't ready to play, you don't activate him on game day. Driskel is your backup, Finley is your backup, Tyler Bray is your backup.

Your QB coach works with Mills running the scout team focusing on mechanics, timing, reads, protection.

& yeah the extra roster spot is an issue, but the covid rules, ir, practice squad, etc... helps in this situation.
 
TexansThunder said:
Sorry to jump in here. Caserio had a monumental task when he was hired.

No 1st and 2nd round picks. Players that want/wanted out. Andre Johnson, THE Texans legend, stepped away from his advisory role after publicly criticizing the team.

Given the deck he was handed, Caserio for the most part played his cards pretty well. I am not particularly fond of the Roby trade.

I agree that hiring Culley was a shrewd move that is paying immediate dividends. The cultural paradigm of the Texans shifted in the right direction with the hiring of the coaching staff.

Culley has less talent to work with than OB did but the Texans now seem well more prepared to play.
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I agree that Culley doesn't have enough to work with (to compete for a playoff spot), but Tunsil was the first and second round pick.
 
Lucky said:
Two of those teams have drafted QBs in the 1st round. One just a year away from losing their QB. None have won jack yet since losing their QB.

Let's get real. It's going to take some time.
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The Pats had several players opting out last year, that season was a no-count for them.

Their first game this year was a loss due to a stupid late fumble when they pretty much had the game sealed.

The Chargers look like they're contending for the playoffs already in Herbert's second year.

So are the Saints.

Nobody is saying about winning big; it's about being competitive.
 
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Lucky said:
The Texans are rebuilding. They needed those picks for players on 5 and 4 year rookie deals. Not a franchise LT with an APY of $22 million. That trade by O'Brien ended up setting back this franchise a year.
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In hindsight you’re right but at the time it was about the best deal you could get. We all saw Watson getting destroyed because the line was made of paper. Like it or not since Tunsil came in the LT spot has been one of the few positions the team has had no issues with.

With the Watson situation being what it is I agree a franchise LT is a luxury the Texans really can’t afford but if he was still playing we would be glad Tunsil was there.

Hindsight is 20/20 but given the context and what was known at the time the Tunsil deal was one time OB didnt get fleeced, I’m not saying he got a great deal either though. I would say he got right at the current market value right before the market value shot up higher than anyone expected.
 
maverick512000 said:
In hindsight you’re right but at the time it was about the best deal you could get. We all saw Watson getting destroyed because the line was made of paper. Like it or not since Tunsil came in the LT spot has been one of the few positions the team has had no issues with.

With the Watson situation being what it is I agree a franchise LT is a luxury the Texans really can’t afford but if he was still playing we would be glad Tunsil was there.

Hindsight is 20/20 but given the context and what was known at the time the Tunsil deal was one time OB didnt get fleeced, I’m not saying he got a great deal either though. I would say he got right at the current market value right before the market value shot up higher than anyone expected.
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I don’t have a problem with the Tunsil trade necessarily, but as you said in hindsight obviously the way this all played out wasn’t optimal either and because of it Caserio was F’d in terms of the draft from day 1. It Is what it is now.
 
Lucky said:
Do you think Tunsil would return the #3 and #36 picks in a trade? No. Not close.
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That might depend on the Texans situation come the trade deadline and which teams are decimated at LT come that time. This may not be exclusive to playoff teams either….teams that invested big in their QB’s could come into play for a LT of Tunsil’s caliber b/c they may not have the same opportunity come the 2022 off-season.
 
The Texans are who we thought they were. :texflag:

But, they are still entertaining and appear to have a lot of heart. Lets hope they stay that way as the losses begin to add up.

Rebuilding is never pretty, but I do see some positive signs with the coaching staff. I do think Culley was a good pick for a team in the current situation as the Texans.
 
thunderkyss said:
If they like Mills & think he has a future but isn't ready to play, you don't activate him on game day. Driskel is your backup, Finley is your backup, Tyler Bray is your backup.

Your QB coach works with Mills running the scout team focusing on mechanics, timing, reads, protection.

& yeah the extra roster spot is an issue, but the covid rules, ir, practice squad, etc... helps in this situation.
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They could do similar to what they are doing with Brevin Jordan. Auclair has been elevated/activated on game day ahead of him. But if Jordan were cut he would be put on another active roster immediately. Though the team likes what Auclair brings as a blocker and they don’t lose Jordan’s receiving ability due to Akins and Brown.

But the team has not elevated Driskel/deactivated Mills on game day for a reason. Mills won the backup QB job between them. As rough as it was to watch play out in preseason.
 
Cannon is back up to 100% snaps. Only took 1 game. Other interesting notes… David Johnson led RBs in snaps. But Ingram got 14 carries and 2 passing targets in his 19 snaps. Looking increasingly obvious that Ingram is going to be getting the ball when in the game.

On defense, Lonnie Johnson’s return likely ate into Desmond King’s snaps. Tremon Smith looked to take Mitchell’s snaps post injury and will likely be the starting CB Thursday. I’d expect Jimmy Moreland activated as well. Roy Lopez was starting NT, unsure how his injury affected Jaleel Johnson’s snaps or if he would’ve played roughly same amount due to game plan regardless.

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JWTexans said:
A 3rd round rookie qb that made some decent throws in his first game action without practicing with the guys he’s thrown in with and you know he sucks?
Peyton Manning threw 11 interceptions to 2 tds in his first 4 games and he turned out ok.
Maybe give it more than a half before trying to evaluate a guy.
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Jax rookie QB Trevor Lawrence had 115 yds passing and has been working out with his first team for weeks. Our rookie had 102 yds passing and only played a half. Our rookie did not have any real reps with the starters. First 2 series were out of sync,, but not a disaster.
 
1TexanFan said:
Jax rookie QB Trevor Lawrence had 115 yds passing and has been working out with his first team for weeks. Our rookie had 102 yds passing and only played a half. Our rookie did not have any real reps with the starters. First 2 series were out of sync,, but not a disaster.
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Exactly. 100% agreed. You have to give the kid more time to get acclimated to the speed of the league and get some reps with the first team in practice and definitely more game experience than a half to make a decision that he’s a bust.
 
Lucky said:
The Texans are rebuilding. They needed those picks for players on 5 and 4 year rookie deals. Not a franchise LT with an APY of $22 million. That trade by O'Brien ended up setting back this franchise a year.
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True, but that wasn’t known at the time. I loved the trade when it happened. But hindsight being what it is after giving away DHop and Watson pulling his crap and other boneheaded moves the organization has made, it’s no longer a good deal and it has set them back.
 
1TexanFan said:
Jax rookie QB Trevor Lawrence had 115 yds passing and has been working out with his first team for weeks. Our rookie had 102 yds passing and only played a half. Our rookie did not have any real reps with the starters. First 2 series were out of sync,, but not a disaster.
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People keep bringing up Lawrence and Wilson, and all these rookies struggling, and they are, and they all have way more experience than Mills who's played in exactly 13 college games, yet somehow, if Mills gets reps with the 1st team, look out. Hell, some of the QBs who've been around awhile still struggle, Brissett, Winston, and here we have Mills, the greenest of the green, where 1st team reps are going to elevate his game above them somehow.

The Texans averaged 3.7 yards per play in the 2nd half against the Browns. Down from the 7.2 yards they had in the 1st half. Even on the TD drive by Mills they averaged just 3.9 yards per play. 3 of his 5 drives were 3 and out, and 2 of those drives had zero net yards. Maybe not a disaster, but I don't think any of that was anywhere close to being in some sort of sync.

And yes, I know it was his 1st ever NFL action, I get it, but I just don't get the excuse making for him. Hey, he did better than Lawrence last week. <rolleyes emoji>
Mills just doesn't have the experience. Those other rookies do and look at them struggle. I don't see how anyone thinks it will be any different for Mills, even if he's getting those 1st team reps in. This NFL game ain't easy. Especially when you have very little experience.
 
Lucky said:
The Texans are rebuilding. They needed those picks for players on 5 and 4 year rookie deals. Not a franchise LT with an APY of $22 million. That trade by O'Brien ended up setting back this franchise a year.
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Dont care

Dont want another Carr situation

Want Mills to be well protected.

Is it your $$$$ Caserio is spending? Obviously he values the OL and giving his young QB a chance to learn while having his blindside well protected.
 
Speedy said:
People keep bringing up Lawrence and Wilson, and all these rookies struggling, and they are, and they all have way more experience than Mills who's played in exactly 13 college games, yet somehow, if Mills gets reps with the 1st team, look out. Hell, some of the QBs who've been around awhile still struggle, Brissett, Winston, and here we have Mills, the greenest of the green, where 1st team reps are going to elevate his game above them somehow.

The Texans averaged 3.7 yards per play in the 2nd half against the Browns. Down from the 7.2 yards they had in the 1st half. Even on the TD drive by Mills they averaged just 3.9 yards per play. 3 of his 5 drives were 3 and out, and 2 of those drives had zero net yards. Maybe not a disaster, but I don't think any of that was anywhere close to being in some sort of sync.

And yes, I know it was his 1st ever NFL action, I get it, but I just don't get the excuse making for him. Hey, he did better than Lawrence last week. <rolleyes emoji>
Mills just doesn't have the experience. Those other rookies do and look at them struggle. I don't see how anyone thinks it will be any different for Mills, even if he's getting those 1st team reps in. This NFL game ain't easy. Especially when you have very little experience.
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True

I think it's encouraging that he's got so little experience but looks better than the guys that have had way more experience and were rated as the next franchise QB's.
 
I think we're putting to much mental stress on ourselves about Mills. He's a 3rd round pick. There's a reason for that, or else he wouldn't have been there available for us to take in the 3rd. Who the hell expects 3rd round rookie QBs to start anyway, unless it's in a situation just like the one we're in.

And I bet Mills ends up with a better game than Lawrence of Jagiieland. Again. :lol:
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree he’s better than Driskel. I don’t believe he’s ready to play. They do.
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You make some very valid points but at the same time if I was going to pick a year to throw a young QB to the wolves and put him in live fire training this is the year I would do it since it was mostly considered a wash year anyway.

Likewise I think if you are going that route doing itwith a 3rd round QB instead of your 1st round, sold the farm to get him QB is the better bet.

If nothing else if we do draft a QB in 22, and I’m not seeing it right now, then Mills having a year of experience under his belt means we might can actually let the future guy sit a year and just learn. Wouldn’t that be a novel experience for the Texans.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I came on here to see if anyone would type overreacting after one loss. Kinda figured no one would.

They're not about to get rid of their best lineman. Wouldn't you want your young quarterback blindside protected? Or F it get him killed since it suppose to be a rebuild anyways.
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Much a I like Tunsil, I sure did miss that 3rd overall draft pick we gave up but again that’s hindsight. For the current situation if someone did offer a first for Tunsil yeah I’d probably take it or if I REALLY needed to clear cap space to sign a once in a lifetime FA. As things stand right now though you wouldn’t get enough in draft capital to be worth what has been invested in him and cap wise the money is already spent.

So yeah let Tunsil guard whoever so at least that’s one thing don’t have to worry about. If I had a time machine and could go back though.........
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree he’s better than Driskel. I don’t believe he’s ready to play. They do.
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If you watch Driskel in that last pre-season game, especially, after just watching Mills tensed-up, herky-jerky, effortful play for the prior 2 quarters, Mills' lack of experience was really obvious. He's got talent, just lacks experience. Tends to want to force it .... quick, fast, hard. It's like a golf swing .... smooth, slow, and easy, allows relaxed mind and muscles to work more efficiently. After a certain amount of time, players become much more relaxed .... letting the game come to a quieter mind. Not meant to be a sermon .... comes from a life of trying to hard !
 
Could have and should have won. Injuries derailed it all and initial muff/fumble gave the Browns free points for no reason.

Could have been 2-0 and a chance to go 3-0 on a short week against the Panthers in a game where anything could have happened since Thursday games are garbage.

Too damn bad.
 
Thorn said:
He's a 3rd round pick. There's a reason for that, or else he wouldn't have been there available for us to take in the 3rd. Who the hell expects 3rd round rookie QBs to start anyway,
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That's the whole thing. A lot of us are confused with the Texans taking a QB with that pick.

Unless you think you've found the next Russell Wilson, Texans shouldn't have been even thinking QB with that pick.
 
thunderkyss said:
That's the whole thing. A lot of us are confused with the Texans taking a QB with that pick.

Unless you think you've found the next Russell Wilson, Texans shouldn't have been even thinking QB with that pick.
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There were so many holes to fill in the draft with so few picks, anybody (any position) taken with that pick could have that reasoning used against them.

And as I've said before, I'd have gone more with defensive players in the draft. But Casino Caserio went another direction.
 
maverick512000 said:
Much a I like Tunsil, I sure did miss that 3rd overall draft pick we gave up but again that’s hindsight. For the current situation if someone did offer a first for Tunsil yeah I’d probably take it or if I REALLY needed to clear cap space to sign a once in a lifetime FA. As things stand right now though you wouldn’t get enough in draft capital to be worth what has been invested in him and cap wise the money is already spent.

So yeah let Tunsil guard whoever so at least that’s one thing don’t have to worry about. If I had a time machine and could go back though.........
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Yes but if Jets or Bengals would give 2022 top 5 projected round one plus their first in 2023 I am seriously considering that. People focus on throwing young QB to wolves but that young QB is making it rough and dangerous on the other 10 on field with him. We should look at entire picture not just the most important.
 
justmy2cents said:
If you watch Driskel in that last pre-season game, especially, after just watching Mills tensed-up, herky-jerky, effortful play for the prior 2 quarters, Mills' lack of experience was really obvious. He's got talent, just lacks experience. Tends to want to force it .... quick, fast, hard. It's like a golf swing .... smooth, slow, and easy, allows relaxed mind and muscles to work more efficiently. After a certain amount of time, players become much more relaxed .... letting the game come to a quieter mind. Not meant to be a sermon .... comes from a life of trying to hard !
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We hope that he just lacks experience. We do not know that.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
Could have and should have won. Injuries derailed it all and initial muff/fumble gave the Browns free points for no reason.

Could have been 2-0 and a chance to go 3-0 on a short week against the Panthers in a game where anything could have happened since Thursday games are garbage.

Too damn bad.
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Yep but if injuries had not happened to Browns their healthy team could have stomped our healthy team. As is they did beat us by more than the fumbled induced 7 points.
 
Thorn said:
There were so many holes to fill in the draft with so few picks, anybody (any position) taken with that pick could have that reasoning used against them.

And as I've said before, I'd have gone more with defensive players in the draft. But Casino Caserio went another direction.
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Sure, but the hole is not at backup QB. :runaway:
 
I'm encouraged by what has been on the field so far.

We probably won't get pick 1.1, but ill take competent position coaching over the first pick any day.

Hopefully Culley learned something this past game and doesn't make bonehead calls with regularity. I genuinely like the guy, but he needs to separate his emotions from the moment. How is he doing compared to other new head coach hires not named Urban Meyer?

There are already a few decent vets that I hope stick around...Pharoah, Kirksey, Cannon, Britt, etc. I'm also impressed with Cooks leadership this season. He's spent a lot of time as a hired gun...I'd like to see him settle in here if that cap hit wasn't so high. Am I seeing correctly that 2023 and 2024 are only 5 mil?

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frethack said:
I'm encouraged by what has been on the field so far.

We probably won't get pick 1.1, but ill take competent position coaching over the first pick any day.

Hopefully Culley learned something this past game and doesn't make bonehead calls with regularity. I genuinely like the guy, but he needs to separate his emotions from the moment. How is he doing compared to other new head coach hires not named Urban Meyer?

There are already a few decent vets that I hope stick around...Pharoah, Kirksey, Cannon, Britt, etc. I'm also impressed with Cooks leadership this season. He's spent a lot of time as a hired gun...I'd like to see him settle in here if that cap hit wasn't so high. Am I seeing correctly that 2023 and 2024 are only 5 mil?

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Nope.
He will be a $15.5M charge on the cap if he stays next year .

If they move him, they will still see a $6.5M dead cap charge.
(It might be $7.5M, I'm not really sure here.)

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badboy said:
Yep but if injuries had not happened to Browns their healthy team could have stomped our healthy team. As is they did beat us by more than the fumbled induced 7 points.
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Sure appears that way on paper. But that same Browns team that went to the playoffs for the 1st time in 20 years with most of the same players from last year only scored 10 pts against us last year; our historically bad PUTRID defense. So sure they have alot of talent...Every sports talking head wants them to be as good as the talent & depth indicates they should be, but i just don't think they're that good. Mayfield is holding them back imo & its just a matter of time before he gets Jared Goff'ed outta there for a newer, shinier franchise qb once they come up short or make another early exit out of the playoffs again.
 
Mr teX said:
But that same Browns team that went to the playoffs for the 1st time in 20 years with most of the same players from last year only scored 10 pts against us last year; our historically bad PUTRID defense.
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The game with 40 mph winds that had a weather delay? With less than 300 yards passing between the 2 teams? The lowest scoring game of the year? That only 10,000 fans braved the elemenst to attend?

Did you even watch that game?
 
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Lucky said:
The game with 40 mph winds that had a weather delay? With less than 300 yards passing between the 2 teams? The lowest scoring game of the year? That only 10,000 fans braved the element to attend?

Did you even watch that game?
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Nope, but with all that talent, still should've been able to score more than 10 pts...Especially since their MO is running the ball genius. Hell we were able to score 7 with considerably less talent. But you go ahead & cop pleas for them.
 
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