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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

Corrosion said:
Report: At least 10 alleged victims have spoken to Houston police about Deshaun Watson (msn.com)

This might help dispel the idea that this was simply a money grab .... the FACT that these women had gone to police before Buzbee filed his civil suits.
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Lucky said:
Sometimes it's good to read the actual article.
"Houston police spoke to the women between April 2 and May 20 of this year, and dates of when they say the offenses occurred ranged from September 2019 to December 2020."
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Based on these posts. What is the consensus? Can we agree that based on the article, HPD spoke to the women in 2021 AFTER Buzbee filed the civil suits? Besides Djohn, does anyone still think HPD was involved in 2020?
 
Texansballer74 said:
Y’all should be upset with Watson for these egregious acts And not the posters who are posting things that work against Watson in general. The young man shouldn’t have put himself or this team in this type of uncomfortable situation.
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If the "egregious acts" are true, I'm less upset with Watson (and not at all with people posting things against him - the public is entitled to their opinion, and that is a two way street) than I am saddened for the women.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Y’all should be upset with Watson for these egregious acts And not the posters who are posting things that work against Watson in general. The young man shouldn’t have put himself or this team in this type of uncomfortable situation.
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I don't know anyone who has said otherwise? Stupid, egotistical, spoiled all come to mind but that said he has right to be proven guilty. I have said I have not seen evidence that would have me find him guilty of accusations if I were on jury. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist and if it does will surely be brought in during a trial; after an indictment that is.
 
steelbtexan said:
Be patient, a grand jury will be conviening soon enough.
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badboy said:
per this August 14th article a GJ was convened.
dailycaller.com

REPORT: A Grand Jury Has Been Convened In The Deshaun Watson Investigation

A grand jury has reportedly been convened in the investigation into Deshaun Watson. Will criminal charges be brought against Deshaun Watson?
dailycaller.com dailycaller.com
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There seems to be great confusion regarding the phrase the "convening of the Grand Jury." Convening refers first to the actual picking of the the Grand jurists..............then comes the presentation of the facts of the case, the evidence/witnesses.

Here is a good overview of the Grand Jury system and how it works:

A Crash Course in the American Grand Jury System
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
There seems to be great confusion regarding the phrase the "convening of the Grand Jury." Convening refers first to the actual picking of the the Grand jurists..............then comes the presentation of the facts of the case, the evidence/witnesses.

Here is a good overview of the Grand Jury system and how it works:

A Crash Course in the American Grand Jury System
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Thanks! that is for California..is Texas the same? I did read article weeks ago IIRC said there are four GJ convened and when DA decides to submit the case goes to the next GJ "up". I guess Mark Berman (article I linked) got it wrong. I will try to locate article I read.
 
Hardcore Texan said:
I think they are talking about in 2020, almost a year prior.

"The dates of the complaints range from September 2019 to December 2020, and Houston police interviewed the reported victims between April 2 and May 20. That would mean Houston police were fielding complaints about Watson well before attorney Tony Buzbee went public with the first civil suit against the Texans quarterback, which happened in March
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Corrosion said:
The dates of the actual criminal complaints - they range from September 2019 to December 2020
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Lucky said:
Those are the dates of the purported offenses. Not the dates they were reported to HPD.
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Corrosion said:
They are the dates of the criminal complaints - .the date reported to the police.
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The wording in the article, "The dates of complaints," is poor ambiguous wording. From 2 of my reliable sources, I was told that complainants began approaching the HPD beginning at least during the year 2020. For whatever reasons, the HPD chose to sit on the early complaints (part of the reason for the comments by Buzbee critical of HPD and questioning the HPD's willingness to carry out an honest investigation of the matter).
 
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badboy said:
Thanks! that is for California..is Texas the same? I did read article weeks ago IIRC said there are four GJ convened and when DA decides to submit the case goes to the next GJ "up". I guess Mark Berman (article I linked) got it wrong. I will try to locate article I read.
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Essentially, Texas follows the same procedures.
 
Earl34 said:
Based on these posts. What is the consensus? Can we agree that based on the article, HPD spoke to the women in 2021 AFTER Buzbee filed the civil suits? Besides Djohn, does anyone still think HPD was involved in 2020?
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No ....


I'll simply refer you to Doc's post here:


CloakNNNdagger said:
The wording in the article, "The dates of complaints," is poor ambiguous wording. From 2 of my reliable sources, I was told that complainants began approaching the HPD beginning at least during the year 2020. For whatever reasons, the HPD chose to sit on the early complaints (part of the reason for the comments by Buzbee critical of HPD and questioning the HPD's willingness to carry out an honest investigation of the matter).
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amazing80 said:
Must have been one of corrosion’s “sources”

Throw enough mud at the wall, things are bound to eventually stick.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
There seems to be great confusion regarding the phrase the "convening of the Grand Jury." Convening refers first to the actual picking of the the Grand jurists..............then comes the presentation of the facts of the case, the evidence/witnesses.

Here is a good overview of the Grand Jury system and how it works:

A Crash Course in the American Grand Jury System
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I wasn't aware that a grand jury had been convened, much less had been presented facts of the case. I still dont know that this has happened.
 
For the love of god would the mods please close and archive this pathetic filthy thread that has brought out the worst in almost every one of its contributors. It is way beneath the fundamental dignity of any human being save those that thrive in the gutter. I have no interest in Deshaun Watson beyond his peculiar and sometimes valuable playing style, which is also, as many have remarked, a remarkably self-centered approach to the QB position.

I actually think the new team is more interesting by far than last year’s team, and will likely win more games in the end. For now, however, let’s just jump out of the gutter and concentrate on football.
 
TripleTap said:
For the love of god would the mods please close and archive this pathetic filthy thread that has brought out the worst in almost every one of its contributors. It is way beneath the fundamental dignity of any human being save those that thrive in the gutter. I have no interest in Deshaun Watson beyond his peculiar and sometimes valuable playing style, which is also, as many have remarked, a remarkably self-centered approach to the QB position.

I actually think the new team is more interesting by far than last year’s team, and will likely win more games in the end. For now, however, let’s just jump out of the gutter and concentrate on football.
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sadly this thread will remain open while #53 on the roster spot awaits litigation...

I will say this.. those that have a pipe dream about some awesome trade, it's not happening. I don't think Deshuan Watson will play another down in the NFL period.
 
TripleTap said:
For the love of god would the mods please close and archive this pathetic filthy thread that has brought out the worst in almost every one of its contributors. It is way beneath the fundamental dignity of any human being save those that thrive in the gutter. I have no interest in Deshaun Watson beyond his peculiar and sometimes valuable playing style, which is also, as many have remarked, a remarkably self-centered approach to the QB position.

I actually think the new team is more interesting by far than last year’s team, and will likely win more games in the end. For now, however, let’s just jump out of the gutter and concentrate on football.
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Then stop reading the thread? Not trying to be a jerk but if it bothers you that much then do what I did and just take a break for a few months. Sadly as long as Watson is on the team then the thread does still have some value.

Now what might be worth doing is it become a mod post only thread and if someone has new information then they can send it to the mods who can fact check it. Then again seeing as the mods are human as well and don’t agree on what the facts are that might not work either. Not to mention the extra work on their part.
 
Carr Bombed said:
sadly this thread will remain open while #53 on the roster spot awaits litigation...

I will say this.. those that have a pipe dream about some awesome trade, it's not happening. I don't think Deshuan Watson will play another down in the NFL period.
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If he is found guilty on multiple criminal charges then you might be right. However I think he will pay everyone off before it gets to that point and once the civil cases go away the criminal ones will to. Hell the police didn’t even start looking into the criminal until the civil cases got so much attention and the question of why were they ignoring it was brought up.

Once the legal side is done the NFL is VERY forgiving of players of Watson’s talent level. He will make some big speech, promise to go to therapy, get fined a few million, get suspended a few games and in a year’s time all will be forgiven.

So yeah I think he will play again, on which team and what the Texans get for him that’s a different story.
 
maverick512000 said:
If he is found guilty on multiple criminal charges then you might be right. However I think he will pay everyone off before it gets to that point and once the civil cases go away the criminal ones will to. Hell the police didn’t even start looking into the criminal until the civil cases got so much attention and the question of why were they ignoring it was brought up.

Once the legal side is done the NFL is VERY forgiving of players of Watson’s talent level. He will make some big speech, promise to go to therapy, get fined a few million, get suspended a few games and in a year’s time all will be forgiven.

So yeah I think he will play again, on which team and what the Texans get for him that’s a different story.
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Again folks have got stop believing this. It’s not how it works in Texas. Once a criminal complaint is filed, there’s no paying anyone off in order to drop a case when it comes to violence, sexual assault. The domestic violence division in the DA’s office, while it is a different division, was described to me as a “pit bull”. They do not let anything go. Same thing with the Human Trafficking division
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Again folks have got stop believing this. It’s not how it works in Texas. Once a criminal complaint is filed, there’s no paying anyone off in order to drop a case when it comes to violence, sexual assault. The domestic violence division in the DA’s office, while it is a different division, was described to me as a “pit bull”. They do not let anything go. Same thing with the Human Trafficking division
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if there is no physical evidence & the victims refuse to testify (after payoff)...it'd be pretty hard to convict
 
Boris said:
if there is no physical evidence & the victims refuse to testify (after payoff)...it'd be pretty hard to convict
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There are women who filed complaints, who did not file civil lawsuits and are not connected with Buzbee. All it takes is one, and there are multiple women who have not filed lawsuits. Remember though, there are text messages, from Watson to the victims before and after the incidents where Corrosion noted he is laughing and mocking what happened.
 
In Sexual assault cases in Texas for adults the statue of limitations is 10 years if I recall. From the charges I’ve reviewed from HPD, it is normal for a charge to be filed a year or two later but the date of the sexual assault be a year or two earlier.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
For whatever reasons, the HPD chose to sit on the early complaints (part of the reason for the comments by Buzbee critical of HPD and questioning the HPD's willingness to carry out an honest investigation of the matter).
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If this is true, it's a much larger story and scandal than anything Watson did. If the complaints were reported to HPD, there has to be a paper trail. And if there were multiple complaints not looked into, we're talking multiple officials with this knowledge. That's the textbook definition of a conspiracy.

If Buzbee is aware of HPD's previous unwillingness to investigate Watson, why hasn't he brought this up publicly? If any of his clients were assaulted after complaints had already been brought before HPD, Buzbee would be able to file a lawsuit against HPD. Yet, he hasn't to date.

We've seen HPD officers in negligent and even criminal acts before. But, this accusation of sitting on sexual assaults would involve numerous people. Personally, I find this difficult to believe.
 
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Lucky said:
If Buzbee is aware of HPD's previous unwillingness to investigate Watson, why hasn't he brought this up publicaly? If any of his clients were assaulted after compliants had already been brought before HPD, Buzbee would be able to file a lawsuit against HPD. Yet, he hasn't to date.
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But didn't he bring it up early on? I remember he made some comments about the HPD sitting on investigations into DW.
 
Carr Bombed said:
sadly this thread will remain open while #53 on the roster spot awaits litigation...

I will say this.. those that have a pipe dream about some awesome trade, it's not happening. I don't think Deshuan Watson will play another down in the NFL period.
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Really ?
Lots of folks on the Board agree with you but there's also several who still think he will never see the inside of any prison anyplace and eventually fetch the Texans a boatload of high Draft picks and/or talented starting players in a trade.
Personally I have not a clue, no idea what's going to ultimately happen to Watson but I'm still intently watching and interested in what becomes of him.
 
Lucky said:
If this is true, it's a much larger story and scandal than anything Watson did. If the complaints were reported to HPD, there has to be a paper trail. And if there were multiple complaints not looked into, we're talking mulptiple officials with this knowledge. That's the textbook definition of a conspiracy.

If Buzbee is aware of HPD's previous unwillingness to investigate Watson, why hasn't he brought this up publicaly? If any of his clients were assaulted after compliants had already been brought before HPD, Buzbee would be able to file a lawsuit against HPD. Yet, he hasn't to date.

We've seen HPD officers in negligent and even criminal acts before. But, this accusation of sitting on sexual assualts would involve numerous people. Personally, I find this difficult to believe.
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In this political climate they investigated very slowly. Remember the political unrest and the POS stance align with the mayor/HPD's stance. I'm sure HPD did just enough not to be able to be charged with negligence/corruption, even though they were very corrupt and negligent.

Bottom line HPD didn't believe the massage therapists over this POS and they drug their feet for a reason. Buzbee has finally changed this narrative and these women's complaints are now being taken seriously as they should've been to begin with.
 
Boris said:
if there is no physical evidence & the victims refuse to testify (after payoff)...it'd be pretty hard to convict
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Well you know we have some folks here who say a number of the plaintiffs are truly more interested in legal retribution than a payday,
so perhaps we will see which of them places a higher priority on principles than greenbacks.
 
Just a thought…..I think some have mentioned (I may be 100% wrong) that DeAndre Hopkins and James Harden may have been the one’s who indoctrinated Watson in the acts that have landed in this situation. If this is the case, how many of the accusers faves massages to all three athletes? If they did handle all three at some point or another, why haven’t their names been brought up in relation to the same accusations leveled against Watson? If Hopkins and Harden were doing similar things…..could there possibly more local Houston athletes that also participated in similar acts?
 
IDEXAN said:
Well you know we have some folks here who say a number of the plaintiffs are truly more interested in legal retribution than a payday,
so perhaps we will see which of them places a higher priority on principles than greenbacks.
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There's enough of them that I'm feeling pretty sure atleast 2-3 of them care more about retribution than a payday. There are probably even more women out there who are waiting to see how this all turns out before they file a complaint. I mean he supposedly got 150 massages in a yr. This is far from over even after these civil/potential criminal cases have been settled.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If Hopkins and Harden were doing similar things…..could there possibly more local Houston athletes that also participated in similar acts?
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Hopkins & Hardin may have been involved with a lot of women & influenced Watson to that lifestyle. & I expect many pro athletes “party” like that.

That is not the problem.

Sexual Assault is the issue. & there is nothing to suggest Hopkins, Harden, or anyone other than Watson was involved in criminal activity of that nature.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Just a thought…..I think some have mentioned (I may be 100% wrong) that DeAndre Hopkins and James Harden may have been the one’s who indoctrinated Watson in the acts that have landed in this situation. If this is the case, how many of the accusers faves massages to all three athletes? If they did handle all three at some point or another, why haven’t their names been brought up in relation to the same accusations leveled against Watson? If Hopkins and Harden were doing similar things…..could there possibly more local Houston athletes that also participated in similar acts?
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thunderkyss said:
Hopkins & Hardin may have been involved with a lot of women & influenced Watson to that lifestyle. & I expect many pro athletes “party” like that.

That is not the problem.

Sexual Assault is the issue. & there is nothing to suggest Hopkins, Harden, or anyone other than Watson was involved in criminal activity of that nature.
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My post of July 2021:

CloakNNNdagger said:
Watson "learned" about the easy women pickens life from his close cohort Hopkins. But Hopkins knew how to "contain" his avid tastes for variety to those that voluntarily flocked to him. He was never known to force himself because he found no need to. And he took responsibility for his baby mamas. But when Hopkins left the picture, Watson evidently had never bothered to "learn" how to handle the most important aspect of his blessed "gifts"..............to stay within the bounds of those that wanted to bestow those gifts.

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if i'm nflpa president,
i'd fight against the mic'ed up practice
it's low on the totem poll of issues but i'd surely use it as a tool in negotiations

Sam Darnold approves
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Again folks have got stop believing this. It’s not how it works in Texas. Once a criminal complaint is filed, there’s no paying anyone off in order to drop a case when it comes to violence, sexual assault. The domestic violence division in the DA’s office, while it is a different division, was described to me as a “pit bull”. They do not let anything go. Same thing with the Human Trafficking division
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Stop believing what? I never said he would pay someone off to get the charges dropped I said he would pay them off to settle the civil suit. Once those are gone then yeah the criminal charges won’t be far behind.

Here’s a bit of reality for you, first not sure why you are bringing in the domestic violence division since they wouldn’t prosecute this case, assuming there is one, it would be prosecuted by the, wait for it, sexual assault division. Which by the way Texas, while having fairly severe consequences, has a pretty bad record on prosecuting.

Next this would require a DA that is willing to prosecute the case which, given Watson’s celebrity status, they won’t do unless it’s an airtight case which sexual assault never is unless some dumb@$$ records it or something. The texts and everything we’ve seen may show he’s a creep or even a pervert but they do not show him as a rapist. It could be that Buzzby has a smoking gun he hasn’t shown yet but if so he would use that to get his clients more money, which is his job, not send Watson to jail, which is the DA’s job.

Finally if he does settle the civil cases and it includes an NDA yes the DA can subpoena to override that but then he has a possibly hostile witness as his star witness upon whom the whole case rides.

Look I don’t like what I’ve seen of Watson’s character either, I think he is a pervert and an addict and that the women involved felt pressured into sex. However nothing we have seen so far would be enough to get even an average person prosecuted except the shear number of women that have come forward.

If a DA got all 22 to testify and all said the same thing then yeah you might get a conviction but Hardin is not going to let it that far. He’ll tell mama Watson either she gets her son to settle the civil cases and turn the women into hostile witnesses for he DA or he could go to jail.

There is a reason that the police are dragging their feet to because they are hoping that he settles and this can quietly go away. I think it’s only shear ego that he hasn’t already settled.
 
thunderkyss said:
Hopkins & Hardin may have been involved with a lot of women & influenced Watson to that lifestyle. & I expect many pro athletes “party” like that.

That is not the problem.

Sexual Assault is the issue. & there is nothing to suggest Hopkins, Harden, or anyone other than Watson was involved in criminal activity of that nature.
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Hopkins and Hardin were smart/experienced enough to have their fun but pick their playmates better. Plus neither of them seem to have the particular fetish of Instagram massages that Watson has. Hopkins and Hardin go after the groupies that are throwing themselves at them in public, those women would have a very hard case to make for sexual assault. Watson was going for people that did not seek him out and then it was all done in private. There is a reason Watson’s first legal team said they thought he could learn a lesson here.
 
maverick512000 said:
Stop believing what? I never said he would pay someone off to get the charges dropped I said he would pay them off to settle the civil suit. Once those are gone then yeah the criminal charges won’t be far behind.

Here’s a bit of reality for you, first not sure why you are bringing in the domestic violence division since they wouldn’t prosecute this case, assuming there is one, it would be prosecuted by the, wait for it, sexual assault division. Which by the way Texas, while having fairly severe consequences, has a pretty bad record on prosecuting.

Next this would require a DA that is willing to prosecute the case which, given Watson’s celebrity status, they won’t do unless it’s an airtight case which sexual assault never is unless some dumb@$$ records it or something. The texts and everything we’ve seen may show he’s a creep or even a pervert but they do not show him as a rapist. It could be that Buzzby has a smoking gun he hasn’t shown yet but if so he would use that to get his clients more money, which is his job, not send Watson to jail, which is the DA’s job.

Finally if he does settle the civil cases and it includes an NDA yes the DA can subpoena to override that but then he has a possibly hostile witness as his star witness upon whom the whole case rides.

Look I don’t like what I’ve seen of Watson’s character either, I think he is a pervert and an addict and that the women involved felt pressured into sex. However nothing we have seen so far would be enough to get even an average person prosecuted except the shear number of women that have come forward.

If a DA got all 22 to testify and all said the same thing then yeah you might get a conviction but Hardin is not going to let it that far. He’ll tell mama Watson either she gets her son to settle the civil cases and turn the women into hostile witnesses for he DA or he could go to jail.

There is a reason that the police are dragging their feet to because they are hoping that he settles and this can quietly go away. I think it’s only shear ego that he hasn’t already settled.
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The text messages we have seen are only a small fraction of what HPD and the DA’s office have.
 
TripleTap said:
For the love of god would the mods please close and archive this pathetic filthy thread that has brought out the worst in almost every one of its contributors. It is way beneath the fundamental dignity of any human being save those that thrive in the gutter. I have no interest in Deshaun Watson beyond his peculiar and sometimes valuable playing style, which is also, as many have remarked, a remarkably self-centered approach to the QB position.

I actually think the new team is more interesting by far than last year’s team, and will likely win more games in the end. For now, however, let’s just jump out of the gutter and concentrate on football.
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Oily anus.
 
maverick512000 said:
Here’s a bit of reality for you, first not sure why you are bringing in the domestic violence division since they wouldn’t prosecute this case, assuming there is one, it would be prosecuted by the, wait for it, sexual assault division.
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Just a clarification. One of my patients went through this process. So I pretty much followed the process. In Harris County, these type of cases are handled through the District Attorney's Special Victims Bureau, specifically through their Adult Sex Crimes and Trafficking Division.
 
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