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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

CloakNNNdagger said:
You gave the example of the death sentence. Some states, when they abolished the death sentence did not make it retroactive. Other states, such as Connecticut, Colorado, Delaware, New York, Rhode Island, etc., have made it retroactived to where those on death row were re-sentenced to the new maximum of imprisonment.
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Thanks. Actually I thought you were referring to all crimes.
 
badboy said:
A high profile case such as this would be an attraction as well for FBI trafficking, correct? I would think those organizations would get involved regardless of evidence at first.
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Buzbee hinted at the Feds getting involved to possibly look at trafficking. Could be monitoring it.
 
Another thing regarding Instagram messages.............Having done IT in the past, I looked into a point that would have been very pertinent to Watson's situation.............and this is what I found. You can indeed unsend an Instagram message.............if the other person has yet to read it. But unknown to most, if they have read it, then it’s game over and you will not be able to remotely delete it or unsend it.
 
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badboy said:
Doc, just curious and no big deal if you don't know did any of those States who abolished the death penalty and did not make that retroactive were any of those prisoners executed?

In my younger days I researched and debated both sides of the death penalty numerous times and I'm under the impression that no prisoners were executed in that scenario. Thank you.
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Several states did not make the abolishment of the death penalty initially retroactive, but later did so in separate legislation. Some other states did go on to execute those on death row who were not protected by a retroactive law. Oregon specifically did not make the abolishment of their death penalty retroactive and specifically to some 30 some odd prisoners on death row. As I understand several of those have since been executed.
 
Mr teX said:
I don't believe any of us know how common or rare it is but im leaning towards it being not nearly as rare as you think b/c most multi-millionaires in those positions either pay to keep it quiet in some form or fashion, or commit other heinous & less than savory acts like blackmail, to keep their reps in tact & money flowing. It is also a well known fact that these guys are in fact targets. Their salaries are published in the newspaper for gods sake. ESPN 30 for 30 Broke explains it better...NSFW
All it takes is for 1 of these rando encounters to not go quite right & you can easily get caught up.

So it is easygetting allegations lobbed at you....making the allegations stick is the hard part. & some of their counterparts taking payments and staying quiet & not reporting it immediately....along with the alleged victims themselves also undergoing other questionable acts after the alleged incidents happen with the same individual is where the credibility problems tend to lay imo.

Weinstein operated with relative impunity for decades.
So did Nygard.
So did Epstein.
Can you imagine the media firestorm MJ would've faced had his baby mama in hiding had alleged he assaulted/raped her?

In all these instances, it wasn't simply b/c the women/girls were afraid to come forward. Many came forward immediately and were not believed like we all know happens....but alot of them too chose to just take the money, promotion or whatever & kept it moving. Now, speaking objectively, there are some of us who would look at that and say its b/c they all were afraid/shamed they wouldn't be believed etc...but there's at least another way to interpret it too in that maybe they were just trying to come up.

Hell Nygard's baby momma KNEW dude was a creep...His name had been circulating in the super model circles for decades.... but he threw enough money at her & she accepted the contract anyway....wound up getting knocked up by him.

America's sweetheart Matt Laurer accused of anal rape....but that same female acknowledged other "transactional" sexual encounters happened with him after the rape.

So what's someone on the outside really supposed to believe when they hear something like that?
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It seems to me that we are talking about two different things.

You mentioned situations where someone clearly has a case.

My initial response was to a post that seemed to imply that the Watson cases are frivolous.

Please show me 22 frivolous cases against one millionaire athlete and perhaps then we'll be comparing apples.
 
Mr teX said:
Depends on the establishments you’re going to honestly…

I’ve been to the high end joints where all you’re seeing is boobs and bad dancing….then I went to NO bourbon street where you’re seeing everything being done on both sides. The only thing that the women and men WEREN’T doing to each other was getting after it out in the open in front of everybody…….had to pay extra to get back in the champagne room for that.


& it’s the same with the women and men in these types of cases. All women aren’t victims b/c they’re delicate, classy women whose sensibilities were offended so they cry foul & should be believed beyond a shadow of a doubt…………& all men aren’t Neanderthal sexual predators b/c they have a few kinks or like a variety of women…or are a little aggressive. Women can and are just as treacherous as men…especially when there’s money to be had and feelings involved. I’ve seen it on both sides in my personal life. Further, it’s not “victim blaming” b/c some of us would like to see due process played out and aren’t taking their stories as verbatim on what happened. Just like they don’t have a whole lot of evidence that DW4 did what is alleged, he doesn’t have a whole lot of evidence that could prove the pee pee touching was an “accident”….on their part.

The number is concerning for sure…but I’m wondering how many of them thought what is alleged to have happened was actually sexual assault before Buzzbee came calling & convinced then of the potential for a pay day. Even more, his name had supposedly been circulating in the massage therapy community for a while. We know at least a few knew of his predilections. So if I’m on that grand jury I’m asking some if they knew this & if so why they still took him on as a client.

As it stands, I’m expecting the grand jury to come back with a no bill….& the ensuing Twitter tirade of Buzzbee and the accusers will go back into full swing blasting everybody for “not believing”…when it’s probably just a case of lack of evidence.
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You missed the point.

The post I quoted eluded to these women are "advertising" provocatively on Instagram. That's absolutely false in every single case.

They weren't dressed in their best Victoria's Secret lingerie in provocative poses.
Those that advertised on Instagram did so as professional sports therapists , not "erotic massage".

These women are professionals and portraying them in any other way is downright disingenuous and looking for a reason to blame them for Watson's actions.

Then there's the other group who were not even advertising - they were referred by various individuals - including Quincy Avery and management at businesses who specialize in sports therapy.

Portraying this group as posing provocatively on Instagram is just downright silly .... they weren't advertising at all.

People are making / basing their opinion off of pure assumptions and this "provocative poses on Instagram" angle is just that , an assumption - and one that is very wrong.

Edit: then there's the one Watson contacted who was a skin therapist (I forget the technical term) ... asking for a sports massage.
 
Corrosion said:
You missed the point.

The post I quoted eluded to these women are "advertising" provocatively on Instagram. That's absolutely false in every single case.

They weren't dressed in their best Victoria's Secret lingerie in provocative poses.
Those that advertised on Instagram did so as professional sports therapists , not "erotic massage".

These women are professionals and portraying them in any other way is downright disingenuous and looking for a reason to blame them for Watson's actions.

Then there's the other group who were not even advertising - they were referred by various individuals - including Quincy Avery and management at businesses who specialize in sports therapy.

Portraying this group as posing provocatively on Instagram is just downright silly .... they weren't advertising at all.

People are making / basing their opinion off of pure assumptions and this "provocative poses on Instagram" angle is just that , an assumption - and one that is very wrong.

Edit: then there's the one Watson contacted who was a skin therapist (I forget the technical term) ... asking for a sports massage.
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Aesthetician.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Hardin can only make things worse for his client.
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This is such a mess. If Buzbee is publicly claiming the FBI interviewed him and Hardin publicly says the FBI interviewed Watson regarding extortion by Buzbee's clients. How is Hardin making it worse? Both lawyers could be right about getting interviewed while lying about the intent of the FBI interviews.

Also, if Buzbee was interviewed in April. Why the need to go public in August?

Deshaun Watson: FBI looked into accuser's alleged extortion against Texans QB, Houston attorney says - ABC13 Houston
 
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djohn2oo8 said:
Hardin had absolutely nothing in that press conference. Just empty threats
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Hardin, although he minimized the implications of the convening of the Grand Jury, is quite concerned and has good reason to be so about the Grand Jury............as various studies have suggested that the rate of indictment by a grand jury ranges from approximately 95% to approximately 99%...........and that forces criminal charges to be brought..........a move that may very well independently change (add) when Watson is to be deposed.
 
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Earl34 said:
This is such a mess. If Buzbee is publicly claiming the FBI interviewed him and Hardin publicly says the FBI interviewed Watson regarding extortion by Buzbee's clients. How is Hardin making it worse? Both lawyers could be right about getting interviewed while lying about the intent of the FBI interviews.

Also, if Buzbee was interviewed in April. Why the need to go public in August?

Lawyer says Deshaun Watson has talked to the FBI, but not the NFL - ProFootballTalk (nbcsports.com)
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This is Hardin playing his own "games." The FBI would not identify to Watson or Hardin the intent of their interviews.
 
Earl34 said:
This is such a mess. If Buzbee is publicly claiming the FBI interviewed him and Hardin publicly says the FBI interviewed Watson regarding extortion by Buzbee's clients. How is Hardin making it worse? Both lawyers could be right about getting interviewed while lying about the intent of the FBI interviews.

Also, if Buzbee was interviewed in April. Why the need to go public in August?

Lawyer says Deshaun Watson has talked to the FBI, but not the NFL - ProFootballTalk (nbcsports.com)
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I think Hardin is lying. So the FBI talked to Watson about extortion but he never went to the police. Instead he tried to keep getting traded
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Hardin had absolutely nothing in that press conference. Just empty threats
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Abd Buzzbee is alienating more and more people against his clients with his antics…

Hardin is absolutely right..every single time this mess dies down, Buzzard hits the media cycle to get his name out there.

he needs to shut it…shut his clients up and rest his case on the supposed evidence he has…period. Beyond that, I really DJ t care to hear anything that dude has to say anymore.
 
Mr teX said:
Abd Buzzbee is alienating more and more people against his clients with his antics…

Hardin is absolutely right..every single time this mess dies down, Buzzard hits the media cycle to get his name out there.

he needs to shut it…shut his clients up and rest his case on the supposed evidence he has…period. Beyond that, I really DJ t care to hear anything that dude has to say anymore.
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And Hardin puts his name in the news too. He is no different.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Alienating who? It doesn’t matter because all the matters is the FBI and Grand Jury
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Alienating potential jurors…like myself…alienating public sentiment in general against his clients every time they speak publicly and have that stuff potentially contradict other statements they’ve already made…he just needs to shut it.
 
Lucky said:
Well, there's the $$$ the lawyer is trying to procure for his clients. I'm trying to stay away from this clown show. But, it seems to me both lawyers are more interested in their image and brand than serving their clients.
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If it goes to civil trial his clients can still get paid
 
Earl34 said:
I thought you were interested in the threat of text and IG messages? According to Hardin:

"Hardin went on to read the accuser's text message, stating remorse and feeling "horrible" over the accusation she levied."

Deshaun Watson: FBI looked into accuser's alleged extortion against Texans QB, Houston attorney says - ABC13 Houston
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Let me explain this and I’m only doing this one time. I have clients. Clients who have to follow rules. When one of them doesn’t and someone claims they assaulted them, and has been beaten over and over again, they get pressured to retract their statements out of fear. So what you just showed me, I don’t give a damn about because it means nothing
 
Lucky said:
Well, there's the $$$ the lawyer is trying to procure for his clients. I'm trying to stay away from this clown show. But, it seems to me both lawyers are more interested in their image and brand than serving their clients.
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hardins only responding to obvious crap Buzzbee puts out there…playing up things that aren’t really that big a deal…taking shots at his client…all b/c he can and there’s no consequences or backlash FOR HIM, personally. So from my perspective Buzzbee from day 1 has looked exactly how DW4 described him…publicity seeking…
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Good Jurors listen to evidence and testimony. Which shows you would not be a good juror
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lol, when you play a case out in public the way buzzard has, you naive as hell if you believe that they’ll be a juror on that jury who WONT be prejudiced 1 way or the other.

think it’s hilarious that now you want to play up how the justice system is set up to play out when you’ve been 1 of tge many in here who has already convicted the dude before any real evidence has been revealed.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Good Jurors listen to evidence and testimony. Which shows you would not be a good juror
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djohn2oo8 said:
Let me explain this and I’m only doing this one time. I have clients. Clients who have to follow rules. When one of them doesn’t and someone claims they assaulted them, and has been beaten over and over again, they get pressured to retract their statements out of fear. So what you just showed me, I don’t give a damn about because it means nothing
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Just playing devil's advocate. But it looks like you wouldn't be a good juror either. This is a good example why I try to ignore most of the things posted in this thread. I failed to do that today. No need to explain further. I'm out. Have a great day.
 
Mr teX said:
lol, when you play a case out in public the way buzzard has, you naive as hell if you believe that they’ll be a juror on that jury who WONT be prejudiced 1 way or the other.

think it’s hilarious that now you want to play up how the justice system is set up to play out when you’ve been 1 of tge many in here who has already convicted the dude before any real evidence has been revealed.
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Have you been on a jury before? I’ll wait. If so, what are the questions that you are asked?
 
Earl34 said:
Just playing devil's advocate. But it looks like you wouldn't be a good juror either. This is a good example why I try to ignore most of the things posted in this thread. I failed to do that today. No need to explain further. I'm out. Have a great day.
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And the specific text message you showed means nothing in regards to anything. It doesn’t prove anything one way or the other.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
And Hardin puts his name in the news too. He is no different.
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hardins only responding..Buzzards driving the clown car in this circus..he’s the absolute ONLY party who benefits from it… not his clients & certainly not Hardin or DW4.

kinda like folks who talk a lot…and as they continue to talk you realize that they either do t know what they’re talking about or they’re embellishing/lying. He just needs to shut it up. I find him less credible as he continues to talk…& that’s a shame b/c this should be about his clients not him….but he’s making it all about him.
 
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