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Florio is a whiney butt and one 1stRD pick short.I just don't get Florio's line of thinking.
Watson's agent won't let him sit for a full season and miss out on the money. He'd probably come in then back out....could fein injury if money is the driving factor.
Texans need to move on b/c I just don't see this situation being repaired to the point that the Texans get Watson at 100%.
Watson sits, the Texans later use "Conduct Detrimental to the Team" and sit him some more games....yarda, yada, yada. His cheap season goes into the books b/c Watson decides to come back near the end of the season to get 2021 into the books. 2022 is going to expensive so I doubt Watson takes any time off....now what?
Trade Watson to the Dolphins this off-season and collect; Tua, Howard, RD1-03-003, RD1-018-018, RD2-18-050, 2022 RD1, and 2023 RD1. That's 2 starters, 4 RD1 Picks, and 1 RD2 Pick.
I think the Texans have to make the trade in order to start the rebuild versus trying to justify the standoff with Watson that accomplishes nothing in the end. A bunch of fresh talent from what would hopefully be a strong draft would still yield a more than likely top 3 draft finish for the 2022 NFL Draft. Two more RD1 picks and another full compliment of picks in 2022 should really add the needed talent. 2023 would again bring, maybe a top 12 position in the 2023 draft with another full compliment of picks. That could be 27 drafted players potentially entering the 2024 season with an abundance of cap space arriving as early as the 2022 off-season.
I just don't see the benefit or required retribution as being the best move going forward with the Watson situation.
Texans can suspend him multiple times
But will they?
I know this is all "knew" but as far as I know it would be the first time the Texans did anything like that. It's nice to know that they can. But I'm reluctant to believe they will.
What makes you think that Watson would let the Texans suspend him with just cause if he decides to come back and play?Doesn't work that way, as Corrosion has pointed out several times Watson has to play at least 6 games for the season to count and Texans can suspend him multiple times at 6 games a pop making it impossible for him to have played those 6 games he needs. If that happens then the season doesn't count on his contract and the whole thing gets pushed back another year so what he would have got in 2021 becomes what he will get in 2022.
What makes you think that Watson would let the Texans suspend him with just cause if he decides to come back and play?
What they fail to realize is there’s a smarter Sheriff in town by the name of Nick Caserio. He’s here to clean up all the trash that was left in the streets by O’Brien. He’s not about to let these other GM get the best of the Texans any longer. He’s not about to over pay these players anymore. And he’s not about to let these players force them into a hasty decision any freaking more.They may not have to, honestly I think Watson's agent is banking on this being the same old Texans. Just like people around here are convinced the Texans will screw it up because they always have. It could be both those people and the agent are right but its a roll of the dice with to much money on the line for me to feel comfortable if I was Watson.
Why the Fins? Again send him to the worst team in the NFL. The Fins are a QB away from being legit. Optimistic I’m not helping them with their cause and I for darn sho not helping Watson out.
I truly believe Caserio is thinking the same way. Probably waiting on the Jets to add more to their proposal.
Dolphins have the assets and a much bigger desire for a 40M per season QB. The Jets have the #2 pick and if they're as high on Wilson as many in the NFL are.....why give up your assets, Williams and future cap space for a top QB1 that they're in no way prepared to succeed with?
Dolphins have the assets and the most valid reason for trading those assets and a couple of players to obtain Watson's services. I'm not moving Watson to Miami for his benefit but for the Texans benefit. But Watson doesn't go to the Dolphins unless they meet my trade demands:
QB- Tua (I'd keep him, sign McCarron and give them both a chance in camp. I could. Hold this asset and trade him for more capital at any time before the deadline. I assure you that someone will be in dire need of a QB1 before the deadline. McCarron is more than capable of being a bridge QB.)
CB- Howard (He and Roby might make the secondary a bit better going into the 2021 season.....and possibly beyond.)
2021
RD1-03-003
RD1-18-018
RD2-18-050
2022
RD1
2023
RD1
And for those who think the idea of moving Watson is for the excitement of doing a mega type deal so the team has draft assets......remember one thing, the Cowboys traded Herschel Walker for a boatload of picks and built a NFL powerhouse that could've ruled the NFL for far more seasons than they did. Jerry Jones decided, "I sign the checks.....and I want to be the smartest man in the room"!!!!
I think the Texans got themselves a solid GM in Caserio who may have the ability to build the Texans into something special provided he's not held back by the "Fools On Kirby".
Yes that is a possibility and it is also a possibility you are dead wrong. We shall see.What I listed is more likely DW4's value than what Wildroots proposal is.
In fact they may get less than what I listed.
What they fail to realize is there’s a smarter Sheriff in town by the name of Nick Caserio. He’s here to clean up all the trash that was left in the streets by O’Brien. He’s not about to let these other GM get the best of the Texans any longer. He’s not about to over pay these players anymore. And he’s not about to let these players force them into a hasty decision any freaking more.
They are waiting to see where deshaun's traded to And the results of that. I guess Hopkins is happy that JJ is on his team now.If there’s a racist culture, then how are Mercilus, Cunningham, Cooks, Johnson, Tunsil, Murray, Omenihu, Cobb, to name a few, not demanding trades?
And how racist of the Texans to give Watson $110M guaranteed.
But the Jets aren't as ready to make the move with ONLY Watson and a big time depleted draft. Miami on the other hand was coming together last year as a force in need of a few more pieces including a QB.The Jets had the assets as well. Plus they can give you solid young players from both sides of the ball. I’ve already listed those players.
Dolphins have the assets and a much bigger desire for a 40M per season QB. The Jets have the #2 pick and if they're as high on Wilson as many in the NFL are.....why give up your assets, Williams and future cap space for a top QB1 that they're in no way prepared to succeed with?
Dolphins have the assets and the most valid reason for trading those assets and a couple of players to obtain Watson's services. I'm not moving Watson to Miami for his benefit but for the Texans benefit. But Watson doesn't go to the Dolphins unless they meet my trade demands:
QB- Tua (I'd keep him, sign McCarron and give them both a chance in camp. I could. Hold this asset and trade him for more capital at any time before the deadline. I assure you that someone will be in dire need of a QB1 before the deadline. McCarron is more than capable of being a bridge QB.)
CB- Howard (He and Roby might make the secondary a bit better going into the 2021 season.....and possibly beyond.)
2021
RD1-03-003
RD1-18-018
RD2-18-050
2022
RD1
2023
RD1
And for those who think the idea of moving Watson is for the excitement of doing a mega type deal so the team has draft assets......remember one thing, the Cowboys traded Herschel Walker for a boatload of picks and built a NFL powerhouse that could've ruled the NFL for far more seasons than they did. Jerry Jones decided, "I sign the checks.....and I want to be the smartest man in the room"!!!!
I think the Texans got themselves a solid GM in Caserio who may have the ability to build the Texans into something special provided he's not held back by the "Fools On Kirby".
I can see Watson approving a trade to the Dolphins.Dolphins have the assets and a much bigger desire for a 40M per season QB.
The Jets had the assets as well. Plus they can give you solid young players from both sides of the ball. I’ve already listed those players.
Yes that is a possibility and it is also a possibility you are dead wrong. We shall see.
Watson's brand can grow and he will have solid chance to take team to SB. This morn on radio 610 they played an audio clip of DeShaun meeting this past week and discussing going from a milli to a billi by increasing his Brand.I can see Watson approving a trade to the Dolphins.
Did I say they will get 7 picks in that post?So you think they will get 7 picks for DW4.
Want to bet they dont.
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So you think they will get 7 picks for DW4.
Want to bet they dont.
Loser makes a $50.00 donation to TT.
Like I said in another thread, Watson actually has reason to play well in 2021, if he comes back for the Texans.
It doesn't take much for a club to suspend a player for misconduct, if they think he's faking and injury or not playing his best then they can take action and Watson doesn't have a lot of recourse. Just cause can be a very loose definition.
Like the Jets or the DolphinsLike I said in another thread, Watson actually has reason to play well in 2021, if he comes back for the Texans.
That team is going to be bad, so it will be difficult to win games.
Even if Watson play his best, the Texans will be lucky to win 7 games.
With a few more wins, the Texans will be stuck with a first-rd pick outside of the top ten.
The Texans can spend the next 5-6 years in quagmire, never having a winning season, just below mediocre.
Like I said in another thread, Watson actually has reason to play well in 2021, if he comes back for the Texans.
That team is going to be bad, so it will be difficult to win games.
Even if Watson play his best, the Texans will be lucky to win 7 games.
With a few more wins, the Texans will be stuck with a first-rd pick outside of the top ten.
The Texans can spend the next 5-6 years in quagmire, never having a winning season, just below mediocre.
How so?Like the Jets or the Dolphins
Where do I say they can't improve in 5-6 years?And why do you assume that they can't improve in 5-6 years?
Just FYI I have seen more than one mock draft with darrisaw falling to 18 + one as low 23rd. I would not trade Watson straight to Panthers but after trading him to Miami I would consider strongly Trading 1.3 ( if Zach Wilson gone) to Caroline for number 8 and a whole lot more.That would be a tough bet since no one knows what the market may bear.....especially if Watson waives his NTC to move on from Houston. Also worth mentioning, team may trade up to 4 years worth of draft picks. That could open possibilities for other teams to get into the mix with a combination of picks and players.
For me, I wouldn't trade no further than #8 since I've come to the conclusion that getting OT- Darrisaw (VA Tach) would be my first pick.
If the team moves Watson.....then I'm more than willing to unload one-dimensional LT, Tunsil to recoup another RD1 pick and possibly another one. Tunsil is paid far too much for his ability as a LT. Sweeping away the ugly and foolish contracts is going to help Caserio in the long run. Personally, I think Darrisaw far exceeds Tunsil since he provides run blocking as well in his skill set.
Where do I say they can't improve in 5-6 years?
The Texans can spend the next 5-6 years in quagmire, never having a winning season, just below mediocre.
From a hapless team to a 5-7 win team is an improvement .
Again, you need to re-read all of my posts carefully.You're splitting hairs, you've made it clear that in your mind the only way Texans can improve or have any success is to trade Watson. You're idea also is that they should just take whatever they can get for him. The first is wrong and has been shown to be wrong, Texans have plenty of draft picks after 2022 and even if 2021 is a bad season they can move up in the draft or maybe even have a high draft pick already. The second of take what they can get is a horrible way for them to do business and is what led to trades like the Clowney and Hopkins trades. Its been pointed out multiple times that Texans are fully in the drivers seat and that they can have success pretty much no matter what Watson does. Would some routes be easier than other yes but no route leads to a dead end EXCEPT trading Watson away for peanuts.
Did I say they will get 7 picks in that post?
Florio is an east coast clown who’s constantly sucking the chrome off the east coast teams bumpers. He just wants Watson on an east coast team so he gurgle his dingleberries and whining about it like everything else is what he does.Florio is a whiney butt and one 1stRD pick short.
But will they?
I know this is all "new" but as far as I know it would be the first time the Texans did anything like that. It's nice to know that they can. But I'm reluctant to believe they will.
I would definitely try to trade up to #2 in that situation and grab Wilson. Trade Tua. He’s a mess and has too many red flags.Just FYI I have seen more than one mock draft with darrisaw falling to 18 + one as low 23rd. I would not trade Watson straight to Panthers but after trading him to Miami I would consider strongly Trading 1.3 ( if Zach Wilson gone) to Caroline for number 8 and a whole lot more.
If I knew this scenario would go down with these two trades I would trade tunsil to the Dallas Cowboys for number 10 and Dee Dee Lamb. I could see Jones balking at that as he really was ecstatic that lamb fell to him last year.
1.8 Devonta Smith
1.10 Patrick Sustain
1.18 Darrisaw LT
2.35 Najee Harris
2.40 (CP) Jackson Carman LG
2.50 Humphreys or Dickerson: center
3.67 Deonte Brown RG
Plus WR Lamb and Tua and Xavien Howard corner.
Yeah, so far NC is playing this correctly.I think if they are going to play hardball , they have to be willing to go all the way and that includes suspension.
The fact that Caserio isn't even listening to offers tells me he's at the very least willing to threaten to do that at the very least. It takes away any leverage Watson may be perceived to have.
LOLDolphins have the assets and a much bigger desire for a 40M per season QB. The Jets have the #2 pick and if they're as high on Wilson as many in the NFL are.....why give up your assets, Williams and future cap space for a top QB1 that they're in no way prepared to succeed with?
Dolphins have the assets and the most valid reason for trading those assets and a couple of players to obtain Watson's services. I'm not moving Watson to Miami for his benefit but for the Texans benefit. But Watson doesn't go to the Dolphins unless they meet my trade demands:
QB- Tua (I'd keep him, sign McCarron and give them both a chance in camp. I could. Hold this asset and trade him for more capital at any time before the deadline. I assure you that someone will be in dire need of a QB1 before the deadline. McCarron is more than capable of being a bridge QB.)
CB- Howard (He and Roby might make the secondary a bit better going into the 2021 season.....and possibly beyond.)
2021
RD1-03-003
RD1-18-018
RD2-18-050
2022
RD1
2023
RD1
And for those who think the idea of moving Watson is for the excitement of doing a mega type deal so the team has draft assets......remember one thing, the Cowboys traded Herschel Walker for a boatload of picks and built a NFL powerhouse that could've ruled the NFL for far more seasons than they did. Jerry Jones decided, "I sign the checks.....and I want to be the smartest man in the room"!!!!
I think the Texans got themselves a solid GM in Caserio who may have the ability to build the Texans into something special provided he's not held back by the "Fools On Kirby".
They may not have to, honestly I think Watson's agent is banking on this being the same old Texans. Just like people around here are convinced the Texans will screw it up because they always have. It could be both those people and the agent are right but its a roll of the dice with to much money on the line for me to feel comfortable if I was Watson.
What they fail to realize is there’s a smarter Sheriff in town by the name of Nick Caserio. He’s here to clean up all the trash that was left in the streets by O’Brien. He’s not about to let these other GM get the best of the Texans any longer. He’s not about to over pay these players anymore. And he’s not about to let these players force them into a hasty decision any freaking more.
Dolphins have the assets and a much bigger desire for a 40M per season QB. The Jets have the #2 pick and if they're as high on Wilson as many in the NFL are.....why give up your assets, Williams and future cap space for a top QB1 that they're in no way prepared to succeed with?
Dolphins have the assets and the most valid reason for trading those assets and a couple of players to obtain Watson's services. I'm not moving Watson to Miami for his benefit but for the Texans benefit. But Watson doesn't go to the Dolphins unless they meet my trade demands:
QB- Tua (I'd keep him, sign McCarron and give them both a chance in camp. I could. Hold this asset and trade him for more capital at any time before the deadline. I assure you that someone will be in dire need of a QB1 before the deadline. McCarron is more than capable of being a bridge QB.)
CB- Howard (He and Roby might make the secondary a bit better going into the 2021 season.....and possibly beyond.)
2021
RD1-03-003
RD1-18-018
RD2-18-050
2022
RD1
2023
RD1
And for those who think the idea of moving Watson is for the excitement of doing a mega type deal so the team has draft assets......remember one thing, the Cowboys traded Herschel Walker for a boatload of picks and built a NFL powerhouse that could've ruled the NFL for far more seasons than they did. Jerry Jones decided, "I sign the checks.....and I want to be the smartest man in the room"!!!!
I think the Texans got themselves a solid GM in Caserio who may have the ability to build the Texans into something special provided he's not held back by the "Fools On Kirby".
I’m not seeing the suggestion that MIA has some kind of overwhelming power to aquire Watson over NYJs. There’s absolutely nothing MIA has that NYJ can’t beat out and they are picking one, single pick behind NYJ at 3. It’s a lame argument and makes no sense whatsoever.
NYJ have MORE than MIA and are picking ahead of them at the most important pick and that’s #2.
NYJs have a more coveted QB between Darnold and Tua by far and NYJ have more trade pieces with better value and on top of all of that, NYJ have a ton more money in FA. Waaay more money to play with.
NYJ are playing with house money. They have a boatload of high picks the next 2 years, and a ton of FA money, and can offer Darnold as well, who can just be traded for more by HOU to another team.
I think there are folks trying to convince themselves to cater to some ulterior motive in aquiring a player or some such nonsense and it makes no sense.
The only overwhelming aspect to this conundrum by NYJ is Wilson is all projection as you said.For sure NYJ's best offer can trump all others , Miami included.
Thing is , they have options - Zach Wilson is a fantastic prospect , I think he might be the best QB in this draft ... keep the rest of those picks and build around him.
Or do you take the proven top 5-8 QB in Watson ?
I don't really want to send him to Miami .... but that's not because their offer isn't better than everyone (except NYJ) but because I don't want to send him to a team ready to win , especially if I'm getting future draft picks .... but also out of pure spite and as a screw you on the way out like you screwed my franchise.
.. but also out of pure spite and as a screw you on the way out like you screwed my franchise.
I’m not seeing the suggestion that MIA has some kind of overwhelming power to aquire Watson over NYJs. There’s absolutely nothing MIA has that NYJ can’t beat out and they are picking one, single pick behind NYJ at 3. It’s a lame argument and makes no sense whatsoever.Why take Watson instead of just drafting Zach ? One of them is "the real deal" the other is nothing but potential.
I’m not seeing the suggestion that MIA has some kind of overwhelming power to aquire Watson over NYJs. There’s absolutely nothing MIA has that NYJ can’t beat out and they are picking one, single pick behind NYJ at 3. It’s a lame argument and makes no sense whatsoever.
NYJ have MORE than MIA and are picking ahead of them at the most important pick and that’s #2.
NYJs have a more coveted QB between Darnold and Tua by far and NYJ have more trade pieces with better value and on top of all of that, NYJ have a ton more money in FA. Waaay more money to play with.
NYJ are playing with house money. They have a boatload of high picks the next 2 years, and a ton of FA money, and can offer Darnold as well, who can just be traded for more by HOU to another team.
I think there are folks trying to convince themselves to cater to some ulterior motive in aquiring a player or some such nonsense and it makes no sense.
Nope. Wrong. Count 'em. 6 picks and Q.The post you replied to was my post to Wildroot who said the Texans would get 7 picks.
Yes but what do you think about Florio? LOLFlorio is an east coast clown who’s constantly sucking the chrome off the east coast teams bumpers. He just wants Watson on an east coast team so he gurgle his dingleberries and whining about it like everything else is what he does.