DW4 staying or going?

[Texansballer74]

They will trade DW4 because they will not be dictated to and will not allow the inmates to run the prison (insane asylum). That's their mentality and behavior. They will get less than most people think DW4 is worth. Then Caserio will totally screw up the draft with some convoluted Patriot BS that the off the wall players drafted fit their culture and system. Then you will follow up with a post that the lost decade has now become the lost generation.

That's every NFL organization position. No player will run their organization like that. And if the Texans allowed Watson to do that, the good old boy club will give the Texans a lot of backlash.

 

[Texansballer74]

If say Carolina wants to do a deal I want #8/#40, 2022 1st, McCafferey/Burns.

Pass. Lol I'm so glad you're not the GM.

 

[Texansballer74]

I need to see Caserio change the level of talent on this roster before I crown him the king of football. The bad drafting in NE has me concerned, but I really have no idea if that was Caserio or "The Hoodie" really calling the shots up there.

He was handcuffed by Belichick. 20 years of top high level football.

 

[Texansballer74]

Nobody's paying that. Not even close.

You never know these days. Look at what Matthew Stafford netted.

 

[powda]

You never know these days. Look at what Matthew Stafford netted.

Read Manglers post again. A team will be on bath salts to do that.

 

[Texansballer74]

Read Manglers post again. A team will be on bath salts to do that.

I read it and I agree. But stranger things has happened before. H. Walker deal was insane back then.

 

[leebigeztx]

What do you think DW4's worth.

Do you think DW4 stepped outside his pay grade?

It's not really his worth in a trade that's debatable, it's the fact that neither he nor the Texans has leverage in a trade. So it's not going to be a good deal. If I were Cal, I would call DW4 bluff on a sitout. If he doesn't show or play they're going to be beyond sorry anyway.

 

[steelbtexan]

It's not really his worth in a trade that's debatable, it's the fact that neither he nor the Texans has leverage in a trade. So it's not going to be a good deal. If I were Cal, I would call DW4 bluff on a sitout. If he doesn't show or play they're going to be beyond sorry anyway.

That's leverage that Cal has.

 

[steelbtexan]

Although the question is for Texian, I’ll butt in and voice my opinion. I think Watson is worth four 1st round picks, three 2nd round picks, and two 3rd round picks.
I would, however, accept three 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks, and three 3rd round picks.
And for the last question...Watson has not only stepped outside his pay grade, he has also overstepped his boundaries.

We have far differing opinions on DW4's value.

I bet NFL GM's are thinking closer to what I'm thinking than what you're thinking.

 

[steelbtexan]

Pass. Lol I'm so glad you're not the GM.

I think some are overvaluing DW4's worth. A top 10 pick for likely 2 yrs/a high 2nd rd pick, one of the best young pass rushers in the NFL and before injury last yr the best RB in the NFL who set a NFL record for yds from scrimmage and is under contract for awhile. That's not a bad deal and I think that Caserio wont find a better deal out there.

 

[Texansballer74]

The Jets deal would be even better.

 

[Texian]

I need to see Caserio change the level of talent on this roster before I crown him the king of football. The bad drafting in NE has me concerned, but I really have no idea if that was Caserio or "The Hoodie" really calling the shots up there.

One thing of note, it does appear as thou Pats drafted better when Pioli was Belichick's right hand man vs when Caserio took over for Pioli. One reason Brady left is because of the lack of talent now on the Pats roster. My guess is this is why Belichick brought in Eliot Wolf as a draft consultant to help right the ship.

 

[Corrosion]

Although the question is for Texian, I’ll butt in and voice my opinion. I think Watson is worth four 1st round picks, three 2nd round picks, and two 3rd round picks.
I would, however, accept three 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks, and three 3rd round picks.
And for the last question...Watson has not only stepped outside his pay grade, he has also overstepped his boundaries.

Nobody's paying that. Not even close.

We have far differing opinions on DW4's value.

I bet NFL GM's are thinking closer to what I'm thinking than what you're thinking.

I'm with @Mangler and @Texian on the value of Watson.

Its 4#1's plus.

Teams spend decades looking for a QB with Watson's potential .... Then to get one and have another team pay ~17% of his total contract over the next 4 years .... yeah , the price is gonna be steep.

Teams gave up 2 #1's for Ramsey , Tunsil & Adams. A proven top tier QB is worth significantly more than any of those dudes .... then throw in the Texans paying him to play for you.

 

[Texian]

Dolphins aren't in the conversation?

If your primary focus is on drafting Zach Wilson to replace DW4, the Dolphins are not part of the conversation.

 

[thunderkyss]

I need to see Caserio change the level of talent on this roster before I crown him the king of football. The bad drafting in NE has me concerned, but I really have no idea if that was Caserio or "The Hoodie" really calling the shots up there.

I know they put together some dang good teams. Even defensively which Tom Brady had nothing to do with.

As long as we’ve got a competitive team, I don’t care how people rate his drafts.

in other words, I expect most here to be upset after Caserio’s first draft. Hopefullywe’ll see a glimpse of a great team before his third draft.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

I know they put together some dang good teams. Even defensively which Tom Brady had nothing to do with.

As long as we’ve got a competitive team, I don’t care how people rate his drafts.

in other words, I expect most here to be upset after Caserio’s first draft. Hopefullywe’ll see a glimpse of a great team before his third draft.

One strength of the Patriots has been in low-cost veteran free agents, which has been consistent through the run. Very hard to tell from a distance what hand did Nick c have on that aspect.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

It's going to take 3-4 yrs to rebuild.

Hopefully Cal gives Caserio the time he needs.

.....and stays the hail in his office, playing with his action figures, and talking into the back of a fan on his desk.

 

[Texian]

I know they put together some dang good teams. Even defensively which Tom Brady had nothing to do with.

As long as we’ve got a competitive team, I don’t care how people rate his drafts.

in other words, I expect most here to be upset after Caserio’s first draft. Hopefullywe’ll see a glimpse of a great team before his third draft.

Those good D teams coincided with the Pats trading back and loading up on the number of draft picks. There was a time when Belichick always had more picks than everyone else. That part of the art of the draft the Pats no longer enjoy and haven't for awhile.

 

[Jack Burton]

I'm with @Mangler and @Texian on the value of Watson.

Its 4#1's plus.

Teams spend decades looking for a QB with Watson's potential .... Then to get one and have another team pay ~17% of his total contract over the next 4 years .... yeah , the price is gonna be steep.

Teams gave up 2 #1's for Ramsey , Tunsil & Adams. A proven top tier QB is worth significantly more than any of those dudes .... then throw in the Texans paying him to play for you.

The price initially when Accorsi was in control of BALT for Elway was 3 1’s and 2 2’s. Elway is/was the greatest college prospect ever.
I think Watson no matter the situation with him and mgmt, is 3 1’s. Now, if you can add a player that’s value is a 1, you could subtract a 1.
I easily could see NYJ with their massive amount of 1’s and 2’s trade Darnold and 2 1’s for Watson. Darnold could then be traded away considering HOU can simply draft Z Wilson at 2, for an immediate starter, Pro bowl level player or at the least a 2nd round pick.
DEN has a boat load of WRs. I easily could see WR Courtland Sutton who like Darnold is going into a contract year, and coming off an ACL tear being dangled as bait for Darnold.

 

[JB]

The price initially when Accorsi was in control of BALT for Elway was 3 1’s and 2 2’s. Elway is/was the greatest college prospect ever.
I think Watson no matter the situation with him and mgmt, is 3 1’s. Now, if you can add a player that’s value is a 1, you could subtract a 1.
I easily could see NYJ with their massive amount of 1’s and 2’s trade Darnold and 2 1’s for Watson. Darnold could then be traded away considering HOU can simply draft Z Wilson at 2, for an immediate starter, Pro bowl level player or at the least a 2nd round pick.
DEN has a boat load of WRs. I easily could see WR Courtland Sutton who like Darnold is going into a contract year, and coming off an ACL tear being dangled as bait for Darnold.

You recall Elway brought nowhere near that? And that was with no salary cap? Of course, Elway had the leverage of having a legitimate threat to play baseball and all teams knowing he would not play for the Colts

 

[Jack Burton]

You recall Elway brought nowhere near that? And that was with no salary cap? Of course, Elway had the leverage of having a legitimate threat to play baseball and all teams knowing he would not play for the Colts

I know. But that was because the idiot owner traded him. Accorsi had his trade demands set, but the owner was meddling and screwing everything up.
I don’t think Watson goes for what they wanted for Elway. I can see 2 1’s and Darnold or maybe 3 1’s from the Jets.
Cutler was considered a franchise QB too and he went for 2 1’s and Orton.

 

[JB]

I know. But that was because the idiot owner traded him. Accorsi had his trade demands set, but the owner was meddling and screwing everything up.
I don’t think Watson goes for what they wanted for Elway. I can see 2 1’s and Darnold or maybe 3 1’s from the Jets.
Cutler was considered a franchise QB too and he went for 2 1’s and Orton.

As great as Elway was, he was still an unproven rookie that had stated there was no way he would play for Kush.

Elway publicly threatened to join the Yankees full-time if the Colts did not trade him; Demoff wrote in his journal, published three decades later, that "he would be a garbage collector before he'd play for Baltimore."

Elway was not a proven top QB that was the "Michael Jordan" of football and never won a championship in college much less took his team to back to back championship games. Comparing Elway and Watson is silly

 

[steelbtexan]

As great as Elway was, he was still an unproven rookie that had stated there was no way he would play for Kush.

Elway was not a proven top QB that was the "Michael Jordan" of football and never won a championship in college much less took his team to back to back championship games. Comparing Elway and Watson is silly

Talentwise coming out of college Elway was the most gifted QB I've seen. Pretty sure fire future superstar. DW4 despite all of the accolades you mention fell to #12 for a reason and was the 3rd QB picked. He's better than I thought he would be but he's nowhere near the best QB in his class.

Different times/different players when comparing Elway/ DW4 there's really no comparing the 2. If the Texans get three 1sts and a young all pro player from Carolina then that's a win for Caserio IMHO. I know many will disagree with me but everybody on this MB values DW4 much differently than I do.

 

[JB]

Different times/different players when comparing Elway/ DW4 there's really no comparing the 2. If the Texans get three 1sts and a young all pro player from Carolina then that's a win for Caserio IMHO. I know many will disagree with me but everybody on this MB values DW4 much differently than I do.

I know how you feel, but there is no comparing a draft pick with a proven top 8 player. Elway coming out now would have commanded more than he did in '83 but still not as much as a vet. Look at what Stafford brought

 

[steelbtexan]

I know how you feel, but there is no comparing a draft pick with a proven top 8 player. Elway coming out now would have commanded more than he did in '83 but still not as much as a vet. Look at what Stafford brought

Stafford was worth a 1 and a 3rd. The other 1st was payment for the Lions taking on Goff's contract.

 

[JB]

Stafford was worth a 1 and a 3rd. The other 1st was payment for the Lions taking on Goff's contract.

Stafford has a cap hit of 43M over the next 2 years, Goff 45M with 43M guaranteed... how is that worth a 1st?

 

[Jack Burton]

As great as Elway was, he was still an unproven rookie that had stated there was no way he would play for Kush.

Elway was not a proven top QB that was the "Michael Jordan" of football and never won a championship in college much less took his team to back to back championship games. Comparing Elway and Watson is silly

It’s not silly in that Elway was simply the greatest college prospect ever. Watson isn’t on Elways level at any time in his college or pro career. LOL. It doesn’t matter that Watson was playing on a powerhouse Clemson team while Elway played on a bad Stanford team. LOL.
I highly doubt HOU is getting 9 draft picks for Watson. This is a laughably bad take and is extremely silly.

 

[JB]

highly doubt HOU is getting 9 draft picks for Watson. This is a laughably bad take and is extreme

Who said he would bring 9 picks?

 

[steelbtexan]

Stafford has a cap hit of 43M over the next 2 years, Goff 45M with 43M guaranteed... how is that worth a 1st?

Just telling you how it was explained to me by Bryan Broaddus a former Packers scout.

 

[steelbtexan]

It’s not silly in that Elway was simply the greatest college prospect ever. Watson isn’t on Elways level at any time in his college or pro career. LOL. It doesn’t matter that Watson was playing on a powerhouse Clemson team while Elway played on a bad Stanford team. LOL.
I highly doubt HOU is getting 9 draft picks for Watson. This is a laughably bad take and is extremely silly.

Truth is no matter what they get in trade for DW4 some on this MB will not be happy. I think it's funny the same that make excuses like DW4 played on a bad team and that's why he has bad moments are the same ones that cant see that's been the story of Stafford's career. In fact he's a former #1 pick who's very good at bringing his team back to victory in the final 2 mins. Look at this yrs Bears game as an example, team sucks the whole game and Stafford brings them back at the end to win. The same can be said about DW4 last yr. But Stafford sucks, McVay who knows a thing or 2 about QB play disagrees with y'all.

 

[Jack Burton]

Who said he would bring 9 picks?

There are folks here saying that HOU should get 4 1’s 2 2’s and 3 3’s for Watson. LOL.

 

[steelbtexan]

There are folks here saying that HOU should get 4 1’s 2 2’s and 3 3’s for Watson. LOL.

Not gonna even be close to what they get. If they get from Carolina/Denver three 1sts a 2nd and a player or 2 I will be surprised although that's what I would ask for.

 

[Jack Burton]

Truth is no matter what they get in trade for DW4 some on this MB will not be happy. I think it's funny the same that make excuses like DW4 played on a bad team and that's why he has bad moments are the same ones that cant see that's been the story of Stafford's career. In fact he's a former #1 pick who's very good at bringing his team back to victory in the final 2 mins. Look at this yrs Bears game as an example, team sucks the whole game and Stafford brings them back at the end to win. The same can be said about DW4 last yr. But Stafford sucks, McVay who knows a thing or 2 about QB play disagrees with y'all.

It’s a terrible situation. Watson should NOT be traded. This whole thing is a giant, embarrassing fustercluck.
But here we are.
I don’t thimk there are any other teams out there that can match the NYJ in a offer. They are playing with house money and have a massive grip of picks this year and next, plus Darnold. I bet 2 or 3 1’s and Darnold gets it done.
That way, HOU has the #2 and 26 picks this year to rebuild, whatever Darnold nets them in a trade and a 1st next year to add to HOU’s picks to rebuild.
No other team can offer that. Not even MIA. And I’m really suspicious of Tua. He’s looking like a possible.....bust, maybe. Not sold on him at all. I think Darnold is a much better trade piece for HOU.

 

[steelbtexan]

It’s a terrible situation. Watson should NOT be traded. This whole thing is a giant, embarrassing fustercluck.
But here we are.
I don’t thimk there are any other teams out there that can match the NYJ in a offer. They are playing with house money and have a massive grip of picks this year and next, plus Darnold. I bet 2 or 3 1’s and Darnold gets it done.
That way, HOU has the #2 and 26 picks this year to rebuild, whatever Darnold nets them in a trade and a 1st next year to add to HOU’s picks to rebuild.
No other team can offer that. Not even MIA. And I’m really suspicious of Tua. He’s looking like a possible.....bust, maybe. Not sold on him at all. I think Darnold is a much better trade piece for HOU.

I think Mac Jones is better than Tua. Never understood the Tua hype. But was a rookie and most rookies dont have Herbert/Burrow type yrs.

My problem is I think the NYJ's hold onto pick #2 and draft Wilson. Why trade for a 156 mil contract when you can get a talented QB on a rookie deal for the next 5 yrs and you get to keep your bounty of picks to build around Wilson. With the fact that no QB in 27 yrs has won a championship making more than 14% of the cap should be reason enough to think very hard about not trading for DW4. The agenda driven media leaves out this fact for sheeple to consume. I think the Panthers/Broncos are motivate buyers that are willing to accept the risk since they have Teddy/Lock under center and are going nowhere fast with them.

 

[Jack Burton]

I think Mac Jones is better than Tua. Never understood the Tua hype. But was a rookie and most rookies dont have Herbert/Burrow type yrs.

My problem is I think the NYJ's hold onto pick #2 and draft Wilson. Why trade for a 156 mil contract when you can get a talented QB on a rookie deal for the next 5 yrs and you get to keep your bounty of picks to build around Wilson. With the fact that no QB in 27 yrs has won a championship making more than 14% of the cap should be reason enough to think very hard about not trading for DW4. The agenda driven media leaves out this fact for sheeple to consume. I think the Panthers/Broncos are motivate buyers that are willing to accept the risk since they have Teddy/Lock under center and are going nowhere fast with them.

Yeah, you might be right. That division is ripe for the taking though. Only Allen in BUF is the biggest competition. I just wonder if NYJs would pass on Watson to rebuild. Yet again. They seem to be in a perpetual state of rebuild.

And I agree, Mac is way better than Tua. A lot of what was missed this last year was that Mac Jones had a Burrow type of year. His mechanics, vision and arm strength are excellent. But even better is his accuracy. Dude was absolutely lethal from the pocket. Lethal.
Some would say he had really good players around him, but on that same note he was playing AGAINST really good players all year too. And he was very good.
That argument goes both ways.
I don’t see Jones getting past the 15th pick.

 

[JB]

Just telling you how it was explained to me by Bryan Broaddus a former Packers scout.

Obviously his interpretation doesn't make much sense

 

[JB]

There are folks here saying that HOU should get 4 1’s 2 2’s and 3 3’s for Watson. LOL.

I haven't seen that

 

[steelbtexan]

Yeah, you might be right. That division is ripe for the taking though. Only Allen in BUF is the biggest competition. I just wonder if NYJs would pass on Watson to rebuild. Yet again. They seem to be in a perpetual state of rebuild.

And I agree, Mac is way better than Tua. A lot of what was missed this last year was that Mac Jones had a Burrow type of year. His mechanics, vision and arm strength are excellent. But even better is his accuracy. Dude was absolutely lethal from the pocket. Lethal.
Some would say he had really good players around him, but on that same note he was playing AGAINST really good players all year too. And he was very good.
That argument goes both ways.
I don’t see Jones getting past the 15th pick.

I could see the DW4 to the NYJ argument but they're in the beginning stages of a rebuild themselves and for what they would have to give up to get DW4 they would struggle to build a team around him. Essentially DW4 would be going to a team very much like what the Texans were last yr.

Funny thing is everybody talks about how Jones had all of these great WR's to throw to/RB's and a great OL. Burrow had Chase/Jefferson/Marshall/Moss to throw too and CEH another 1st rd pick at RB. Plus a really good OL.

Tell me what the biggest differences are. Burrow is slightly more mobile but it's not like Jones is a statue.

 

[badboy]

Yes it is.

There was discussion that they would move on from him and go with a QB on a rookie contract.

That's a hell of a hit in year one but imagine what they could add in year two of FA ....

If they hit on the right QB , they could put a quality team around him quickly and make a run.

If they are willing to take that big of a hit and can get a Watson type trade Haul as I have projected I guess I could see them going for it. But only if like Watson he decides to force a trade.

It seems to me that Jets and dolphins have similar trade packages to offer. Would not it be something if one gets Watson and the other gets Russell Wilson? That would be a division.

I could see the DW4 to the NYJ argument but they're in the beginning stages of a rebuild themselves and for what they would have to give up to get DW4 they would struggle to build a team around him. Essentially DW4 would be going to a team very much like what the Texans were last yr.

Funny thing is everybody talks about how Jones had all of these great WR's to throw to/RB's and a great OL. Burrow had Chase/Jefferson/Marshall/Moss to throw too and CEH another 1st rd pick at RB. Plus a really good OL.

Tell me what the biggest differences are. Burrow is slightly more mobile but it's not like Jones is a statue.

I think every Alabama QB gets tagged with game manager of a perfect offense. Well if you can get him later in draft and build offense like we're going to have to do with whom ever ends up as our starter that type of quarterback should be productive.

If trade is with Miami and Z is gone, trade down for huge package and get MJ. We can get linemen round two or three and RBs in 4-5.

 

[Speedy]

As long as we’ve got a competitive team, I don’t care how people rate his drafts.

in other words, I expect most here to be upset after Caserio’s first draft. Hopefullywe’ll see a glimpse of a great team before his third draft.

Well, the bar certainly hasn’t been set very high for impact players to be drafted. Just look at the last 2 drafts here. No one making much of an impact at all.

And it’s not going to be easy for his 1st year not having a pick until the 3rd round. It’s almost like he gets a mulligan this year AFAIC.

 

[maverick512000]

Obviously his interpretation doesn't make much sense

Let’s those 1sts in perspective they aren’t 1sts this year they are in 22 and 23. This year Detroit only gets a 3rd. Likewise even with the 22 million cap hit Goff was on the books for a cap hit of 34 million so they still saved 12 million by trading him. Also Stafford’s contract can be restructure down to as low as just shy of 5 million so they save 15 million on that. All of this is designed to push as much money to the 22 cap as possible with teams hoping the cap goes back up. In addition Rams are in win now mode while Detroit is in rebuild mode and LA wasn’t going anywhere with Goff.

So yes the second 1st rounders was to get lions to take Goff’s contract.

 

[IDEXAN]

Talentwise coming out of college Elway was the most gifted QB I've seen. Pretty sure fire future superstar. DW4 despite all of the accolades you mention fell to #12 for a reason and was the 3rd QB picked. He's better than I thought he would be but he's nowhere near the best QB in his class.

Different times/different players when comparing Elway/ DW4 there's really no comparing the 2. If the Texans get three 1sts and a young all pro player from Carolina then that's a win for Caserio IMHO. I know many will disagree with me but everybody on this MB values DW4 much differently than I do.

C'mon my friend SteelB that usually sharp football acumen of yours has failed you in this comment !
The first QB drafted in the MaHomes/Watson class was Trubisky and he's not even remotely in the same conversation of eiher the Chiefs or Texans QB after 4 years in the league. In other words a players draft position may or may not be relevant to his value in the NFL after 3 or 4 years.
But yes Elway looked to be a great NFL QB coming out of Stanford and of course he did in fact become one of the all time great QBs but so many other highly drafted QBs disappointed, some even busted.

 

[Hookem Horns]

Anyone interested in a Watson jersey? I paid $150 for this a couple of years ago. I think I wore this once, maybe twice. $30 donation to the site (to my Venmo) and I’ll also cover shipping. If Watson stays it’s a great deal. If not, well you can donate it to the homeless and feel good about yourself.

 

[wildroot]

1st thing Caserio needs to tell Watson, if he wants to be traded he needs to drop the NTC. That's the price you pay to be granted a trade from the team that just signed you to a monster contract, that will be the price you pay to leave this team.
How bad you want it DW4?

 

[JB]

Let’s those 1sts in perspective they aren’t 1sts this year they are in 22 and 23. This year Detroit only gets a 3rd. Likewise even with the 22 million cap hit Goff was on the books for a cap hit of 34 million so they still saved 12 million by trading him. Also Stafford’s contract can be restructure down to as low as just shy of 5 million so they save 15 million on that. All of this is designed to push as much money to the 22 cap as possible with teams hoping the cap goes back up. In addition Rams are in win now mode while Detroit is in rebuild mode and LA wasn’t going anywhere with Goff.

So yes the second 1st rounders was to get lions to take Goff’s contract.

And the Lions can cut Goff after 22 for taking those 2 1's plus a 3rd this year and it costs them no more than keeping Stafford would have

 

[Texian]

Talentwise coming out of college Elway was the most gifted QB I've seen. Pretty sure fire future superstar. DW4 despite all of the accolades you mention fell to #12 for a reason and was the 3rd QB picked. He's better than I thought he would be but he's nowhere near the best QB in his class.

Different times/different players when comparing Elway/ DW4 there's really no comparing the 2. If the Texans get three 1sts and a young all pro player from Carolina then that's a win for Caserio IMHO. I know many will disagree with me but everybody on this MB values DW4 much differently than I do.

Elway finished Stanford with a .500 record. What set him apart is his dad was a football coach and John had an arm that comes along once in a generation. John was only able to win 2 Super Bowls because of Terrell Davis.

 

[Jack Burton]

I haven't seen that

DW4 staying or going?

The Texans current organization is the traditional one, there is a GM that everyone reports to and he reports to the owner. I hope this is our current structure, but we don’t know yet. I think the Culley hire points in that direction. But there’s little else to support this.

www.texanstalk.com

 

[badboy]

Talentwise coming out of college Elway was the most gifted QB I've seen. Pretty sure fire future superstar. DW4 despite all of the accolades you mention fell to #12 for a reason and was the 3rd QB picked. He's better than I thought he would be but he's nowhere near the best QB in his class.

Different times/different players when comparing Elway/ DW4 there's really no comparing the 2. If the Texans get three 1sts and a young all pro player from Carolina then that's a win for Caserio IMHO. I know many will disagree with me but everybody on this MB values DW4 much differently than I do.

Are you sure about your last sentence?

 

[maverick512000]

And the Lions can cut Goff after 22 for taking those 2 1's plus a 3rd this year and it costs them no more than keeping Stafford would have

Yes they can but Lions can afford to kick that can down the road. Rams window is closing so they couldn’t take the hit this year. It’s win-win because it’s a win for Rams short term, what they care about, and a win for lions long term, what they care about.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Yeah, you might be right. That division is ripe for the taking though. Only Allen in BUF is the biggest competition. I just wonder if NYJs would pass on Watson to rebuild. Yet again. They seem to be in a perpetual state of rebuild.

And I agree, Mac is way better than Tua. A lot of what was missed this last year was that Mac Jones had a Burrow type of year. His mechanics, vision and arm strength are excellent. But even better is his accuracy. Dude was absolutely lethal from the pocket. Lethal.
Some would say he had really good players around him, but on that same note he was playing AGAINST really good players all year too. And he was very good.
That argument goes both ways.
I don’t see Jones getting past the 15th pick.

Why isn't Mac Jones considered the number two or at worst third best QB coming into this draft? Texans have one of those Bama prodigy QB's carrying a clipboard behind Watson. He's the only CFB QB to have won back to back National Championships, yet he was only a RD5 pick.

Alabama, like D1 secondary schools Run-N-Shoot QB's.....they just don't seem to have NFL careers that come anywhere near their Bama careers. That can become a nasty stigma to shake. Tua could be a bust. Hurts is a wait and see. Hurts will be playing behind a pretty bad team who picked a bad time for a HC change. Bama just didn't have much else between McCarron and Hurts arrival. In all honesty, Hurts may be Bama's best chance at NFL success. I think McCarron should avoid signing with the Texans and make himself available to the 49'ers where Shanahan's WC offense is taylor made for McCarron's skill-set. I think McCarron could resurrect his career in SF......if they wanted to give him a chance.