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DW4 staying or going?

On May 1st 2021 DeShawn Watson will be:


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Can anyone cite an example of a team refusing to trade a disgruntled player, the player sitting out a year, and the team ultimately winning - either by the player successfully reintegrating into the team, or his trade value increasing?
That was before the new CBA, there was a reason vet players argued so hard against it but they lost and the owners won.
 
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“you don't have enough to give us for what we sincerely believe is Watson's value”

Oh, for heaven’s sake, Watson is plenty good, but not THAT good. I mean he’s going to go for a bundle, to be sure, but There are several teams (Jets, Miami, Panthers, Denver, maybe even SF) are perfectly capable of putting together appropriate and sufficiently lucrative package of picks and players. The point I’m making is that the Texans look like “puffed up 14 year olds” in a league and a business with a lot of serious businessmen, not poseurs.

Add to which, nothing that is going on here is sincere, save Watson’s wish to blow the dumpster. What Cal and Casario are doing is huffing and puffing, instead of acting like “hard-nosed businessmen” and saying politely, “Well, you never know, thanks for your call, we’ll keep you in mind if & when things develop.”

That way they deal from strength with all options wide open, and they get a lot of information nobody has right now, like what Watson’s actual market value is or might be should a trade be entertained eventually.

So they can then make thoughtful moves in any direction and stop the flood of guesses about ridiculous (7 picks and two players, for example, which I saw somewhere) trade pkgs people imagine will be offered.
they are already dealing from a position of strength, right now Watson either plays for the Texans or he doesn’t play in the NFL again. His NTC might mean he can’t be traded without being aware of it but it by no means he has to be traded.

Also yeah, Watson is that good and more importantly he is young and just entering his prime. Not only that but due to his contract he will be the cheapest franchise QB in the league for whatever team he is going to because Texans will pick up a large part of his bill. It’s not just his talent that they would be trading away it’s the money he will cost them to.

You may think they look like “puffed up 14 year old” but for QBs it’s a sellers market and if they have set their price why should they come down from it. Depending on what they want, no some of the mentioned teams can’t put together a good enough package.

Every local newspaper in every city with an NFL team that needs a QB has created their “perfect package” deal for what it would take to get Watson but in this case what they think he’s worth doesn’t matter as much as what the Texans think he’s worth.

The flood of guesses you want stopped are just coming from so called reporters trying to get clicks and eyes. It’s not coming from people that can actually make decisions.

Fact is the only real way the Texans loss is if they take less than their asking price. Watson sits they are no worse off than they were going to be anyway and in fact can get some money back.
 

ArlingtonTexan

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FireBOB

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That was before the new CBA, there was a reason get players argued so hard against it but they lost and the owners won.
That's definitely a fair point and clearly will reduce the frequent arbitrary hold-outs and power-struggles. New CBA or not though, a franchise QB holding out looks like mutually assured destruction.
 
That's definitely a fair point and clearly will reduce the frequent arbitrary hold-outs and power-struggles. New CBA or not though, a franchise QB holding out looks like mutually assured destruction.
No question it is but in such cases you still can’t blink even if it means your destruction because if you do then you guarantee that the other guy will destroy you. Watson is wanting to pick the team he goes to and he wants that team to not have to give up very much and for Texans to honor his contract and pay a large part of his salary while on that other team. Basically he is saying he wants the Texans to have no hope of improving for 5 years at least so that he can go win a ring.

As a team the Texans can not work under those conditions so they have to keep their finger on the big red button.
 

Corrosion

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No.....but there's an OT stud that could be as great an OL as Munoz, Mathews, etc in Penei Sewell from Oregon.

I could also trade that #3 pick to a QB desperate team and move back to...lets say the 8th pick (Carolina) and still be in a position to select one of many other impact players that could fill areas of needs for the Texans while picking up an additional 2 picks at the minimum. Just depends on the desperation.....maybe 3 picks with 1 being a RD1 or RD2 in 2022.

Is a QB at #3 going to set the table for the Texans over next 2 years? Not likely. Loading up on picks and preparing this team to protect Tua and McCarron while becoming a complete team on both sides of the ball will do much more for the Texans. Like any great team.....you can probably win "a" SB with a game manager at QB. If you build the team and suddenly find yourself lucky enough to land a "Franchse QB" then you get the Brady, Rothlisberger, Rodgers, Mahomes factor.

Build this team into a monster and Tua or McCarron will look like gold....at a fraction of the cost. I know after a SB.....Tua and McCarron would probably price themselves out and to be quite honest, I'd let them and keep the other 21 positions happy and stocked with fresh talent. A QB could eventually be gotten via the draft or FA and the good thing....many QB's would want to come to a ready built team.

You obviously value Tua much much higher than I do .... even labeling him a "game manager" , I don't really even see that on the level of an NFL starter. I think he's backup material at best.

That said , If you believe in Tua being at least a game manager quality QB , I can't argue with the thought process of building a really strong team around him (or McCarron).
 

ArlingtonTexan

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That's definitely a fair point and clearly will reduce the frequent arbitrary hold-outs and power-struggles. New CBA or not though, a franchise QB holding out looks like mutually assured destruction.
My current prediction is that the Texan will do exactly that. find a way to mess around with this, putting The team trade to, Watson and the Texans in the worst possible spot where there will be no real winners.
Anyone want to join us

:gathering:
 

Corrosion

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My current prediction is that the Texan will do exactly that. find a way to mess around with this, putting The team trade to, Watson and the Texans in the worst possible spot where there will be no real winners.

The Texans were in a no win situation the moment Watson demanded the trade.

No matter how many players or draft picks they get , its very unlikely they receive equal value for a top tier QB.

Their best outcome would be drafting a QB that's eventually close to Watson's talent level and that's really not likely either.
 

JB

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Can anyone cite an example of a team refusing to trade a disgruntled player, the player sitting out a year, and the team ultimately winning - either by the player successfully reintegrating into the team, or his trade value increasing?
Oilers with Jim Everett/Matuzak?
Elway with Colts?
 
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leebigeztx

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None at all. As explained by Steve Young, the team has quite few 26 - 27 year old players who have returned from their Mormon missions. They are more mature and out of respect they're voted team captains. Wilson is a 21 yr old Junior.
Leaders lead despite age even in college. Its something that needs to be viewed by whomever drafts him.
 

banned1976

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If Caserio and Watson go down this path, how do you see it ending?
This whole situation reminds me of Hakeem Olajuwon back in I believe 1992 or 1993. I was a bartender back then when it appeared Olajuwon's relationship with the Rockets had reached an impasse. There was a growing sentiment from the patrons in the bar that Olajuwon was headed elsewhere and "good riddance". Fans were pissed off because they believed he had been faking injuries. He wound up staying and the rest is history.

Before the cryptic Twitter messages from Watson, this board was looking forward, discussing how the Texans could right the ship. My feelings haven't changed all that much, even though I don't have an abundance of optimism for the new coaching staff. Dump salary where possible, draft a young RB in the 3rd round and target defense in the next two drafts and free agency. In 2023, the Texans could once again be solid playoff contenders, with Watson.

Watson may not report to camp on time. He may even not start the season. He could sit out the entire season, I couldn't care less. He can come back in 2022, when the Texans have a full allotment of picks and possibly the first pick in every round.
 

steelbtexan

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The Texans were in a no win situation the moment Watson demanded the trade.

No matter how many players or draft picks they get , its very unlikely they receive equal value for a top tier QB.

Their best outcome would be drafting a QB that's eventually close to Watson's talent level and that's really not likely either.
You have a much higher opinion of DW4 than I do.

I will bet you Wilson and probably Jones have more rings than DW4 gets. He's talented but not a championship level QB.
 

thunderkyss

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I'm actually surprised that when the DW4 trade questions have been posed, they haven't responded: we can't trade him, he has a NTC. Would put the ball firmly in Watson's court.
I don't know what they are doing. But it would be the high road, imo, to deal with the player & his agent on this matter. No need for the Texans to battle it out in the media.

The media is doing a fine job on its own with their fantasy trades. Watson sees the teams with the most to give are not the teams he wants to go to.

He sees what he's asking the Texans to give up on & for what? So he can have a chance to win a Super Bowl?

That doesn't make sense. Sure, Watson wants a win for his side. He wants a win for the team he's going to. But he wants the Texans to take a loss... & that's the very thing he "says" he wants Houston to stop doing.
 

thunderkyss

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That was before the new CBA, there was a reason vet players argued so hard against it but they lost and the owners won.
So I'm not a lawyer & I'm only going by what I "heard" on the internet. The Texans can suspend him for a max of six games.

Leaving 12

Watson only has to dress up for 6

I'm sure I'm missing something, but it doesn't look like the Texans can force Watson to forfeit a season
 

OptimisticTexan

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You obviously value Tua much much higher than I do .... even labeling him a "game manager" , I don't really even see that on the level of an NFL starter. I think he's backup material at best.

That said , If you believe in Tua being at least a game manager quality QB , I can't argue with the thought process of building a really strong team around him (or McCarron).
Not a long term solution unless he proves everyone otherwise. A "Game Manager" bridge until the Texans next QB is found. If Texans handle their cap situation and do some good work in the draft......they should have the cap space, draft capital and a team to appeal to available FA QB's that would fit. There could be a solid candidate coming into the draft and the Texans may very well have the requisite draft capital to make a move (if needed). An up and coming team with abundant cap space and picks could only be a dream for the Texans.
 

leebigeztx

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Not a long term solution unless he proves everyone otherwise. A "Game Manager" bridge until the Texans next QB is found. If Texans handle their cap situation and do some good work in the draft......they should have the cap space, draft capital and a team to appeal to available FA QB's that would fit. There could be a solid candidate coming into the draft and the Texans may very well have the requisite draft capital to make a move (if needed). An up and coming team with abundant cap space and picks could only be a dream for the Texans.
How often are championship quality QB's available in free agency?
 
So I'm not a lawyer & I'm only going by what I "heard" on the internet. The Texans can suspend him for a max of six games.

Leaving 12

Watson only has to dress up for 6

I'm sure I'm missing something, but it doesn't look like the Texans can force Watson to forfeit a season
I don’t know for sure either. I’m sure there is something to address this as the big focus in this CBA from the owners PoV was taking power out of players hands. I’m not a lawyer either, times like this I miss Cak.
 

leebigeztx

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You have a much higher opinion of DW4 than I do.

I will bet you Wilson and probably Jones have more rings than DW4 gets. He's talented but not a championship level QB.
Right here , right now, tell us the championship quality qbs in this draft. Take your time.
 

leebigeztx

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Leaders also know when to let others take the lead. No one will follow a leader who they don’t feel has earned it.
Facts! So if he's the qb that many on this board thinks he is, his talent and leadership puts him out front. Especially being the qb who is viewed as the leader.
 

thunderkyss

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Ridiculous again. So you're saying Mac Jones and Wilson are championship level qbs, but Watson isn't?
Hold on, I speak jive.

I believe what he is saying is we don't know if Mac Jones & Wilson are Championship level QBs. They could be. Just like it was possible Watson could have been at that time in his career.

But 4 years in, he knows DW4 isn't. Time to take another shot in the dark.
 
This whole situation reminds me of Hakeem Olajuwon back in I believe 1992 or 1993. I was a bartender back then when it appeared Olajuwon's relationship with the Rockets had reached an impasse. There was a growing sentiment from the patrons in the bar that Olajuwon was headed elsewhere and "good riddance". Fans were pissed off because they believed he had been faking injuries. He wound up staying and the rest is history.

Before the cryptic Twitter messages from Watson, this board was looking forward, discussing how the Texans could right the ship. My feelings haven't changed all that much, even though I don't have an abundance of optimism for the new coaching staff. Dump salary where possible, draft a young RB in the 3rd round and target defense in the next two drafts and free agency. In 2023, the Texans could once again be solid playoff contenders, with Watson.

Watson may not report to camp on time. He may even not start the season. He could sit out the entire season, I couldn't care less. He can come back in 2022, when the Texans have a full allotment of picks and possibly the first pick in every round.
You could be right and I hope you are. The difference though is in the 90s there wasn’t all this talk about players “building their brand”. Even the it names like the Jordan, Aikman and Bryds didn’t think themselves bigger than the team. Now athletes are very much me first and if I’m not happy with a team do anything and everything to get out and to Hell with the fans and team I’m leaving.

Sad part is many fans now are player fans and not team fans so they happily excuse this behavior.
 
Facts! So if he's the qb that many on this board thinks he is, his talent and leadership puts him out front. Especially being the qb who is viewed as the leader.
There is also a level of respect, tradition and paying your dues. Even in the NFL a newly drafted QB, even if taken 1st overall, doesn’t instantly become the leader of the team, he has to earn that spot and earn that trust.

BYU has a tradition of the older players coming back getting those leadership roles. They’re never going to play in the NFL at that age so it’s a semi reward for doing their missions. Wilson nor any other player was not going to get respect and be made a leader by trying to overthrow that.

Personally I kind of like a QB that steps up when needed but is also willing to recognize that they have to earn their place and pay their dues.
 

FireBOB

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This whole situation reminds me of Hakeem Olajuwon back in I believe 1992 or 1993. I was a bartender back then when it appeared Olajuwon's relationship with the Rockets had reached an impasse. There was a growing sentiment from the patrons in the bar that Olajuwon was headed elsewhere and "good riddance". Fans were pissed off because they believed he had been faking injuries. He wound up staying and the rest is history.

Before the cryptic Twitter messages from Watson, this board was looking forward, discussing how the Texans could right the ship. My feelings haven't changed all that much, even though I don't have an abundance of optimism for the new coaching staff. Dump salary where possible, draft a young RB in the 3rd round and target defense in the next two drafts and free agency. In 2023, the Texans could once again be solid playoff contenders, with Watson.

Watson may not report to camp on time. He may even not start the season. He could sit out the entire season, I couldn't care less. He can come back in 2022, when the Texans have a full allotment of picks and possibly the first pick in every round.
Thanks for the perspective. Planning a draft and free-agency on the assumption that he's coming back is a bold move, but managing your personnel in such a way that you'll most likely tank if he doesn't return is smart, if somewhat difficult to optimize. I've been persuaded that there may be some hope in this course, but I still think the GTO play is to accept that it won't end well and manufacture the best auction pre-draft. (Actually pre-combine)
 

Corrosion

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That's definitely a fair point and clearly will reduce the frequent arbitrary hold-outs and power-struggles. New CBA or not though, a franchise QB holding out looks like mutually assured destruction.

It absolutely is mutually assured destruction .... But because of the new CBA the team has most of the leverage and for the league , I think that's a good thing.
 

Corrosion

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So I'm not a lawyer & I'm only going by what I "heard" on the internet. The Texans can suspend him for a max of six games.

Leaving 12

Watson only has to dress up for 6

I'm sure I'm missing something, but it doesn't look like the Texans can force Watson to forfeit a season
Unless he sits out the first 12 games.
The can suspend him for up to 6 games .... Per incident , not per season.

That means they could suspend him 6 games , he comes back from that and could be suspended again for up to 6 games.

How often are championship quality QB's available in free agency?

I can't think of the last one (aside from Brady this offseason).
 

Corrosion

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Hold on, I speak jive.

I believe what he is saying is we don't know if Mac Jones & Wilson are Championship level QBs. They could be. Just like it was possible Watson could have been at that time in his career.

But 4 years in, he knows DW4 isn't. Time to take another shot in the dark.

The biggest issue with Watson is his contract .... He has one more season then he's a cap killer - Even if the cap goes up $10m per year he's still 22.1% in 23 and 22.5% in 23.



If the Texans trade him and they are paying 17% of his salary .... that's a big deal for the receiving team in terms of a cap advantage. That team would be paying him 19.2% of their cap in 22 and 19.8% in 23 instead of the above figures.
That's the equivalent of a $5.5m free agent that they couldn't otherwise afford.

I'm not certain those ~$10m increases happen as that's two of the four years set for the owners to recover their losses from this past season. We're likely to see half that in cap increases for the four year period starting with this 2021/22 season.
 

SnakeEyes

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He won't get paid if he don't show up .... assuming the team plays hardball.
Yep, doing some math he will only make about 5mil of his salary if he sits out and they fine him.
50k per day pre season
640k per preseason game

This you have to figure out what the dollar amount is. I took the write up below from one on the new CBA for 2020.
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First, the daily training-camp fines would become mandatory for players operating under their second contracts. That’s a huge difference, given that most teams usually wipe the slate clean once the player reports. So when, for example, a player incurs $50,000 per day for staying away from camp for 10 days, the full $400,000 comes from his pocket, and neither he nor the team can do anything about it.

And forget about $50,000 per day. Second, the amounts of the fines would be “substantially increased.” The specific numbers aren’t yet known.

Third, the player will lose an accrued season toward free agency by failing to show up for camp on town or by leaving camp for more than five days. This would supersede the rule that removes an accrued year only if the player fails to report within 30 days before the first game of the regular season.
 

steelbtexan

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Right here , right now, tell us the championship quality qbs in this draft. Take your time.
Wilson/Jones

Maybe if they can learn to play in NFL offenses Lawrence/Lance

Maybe Mills but I really haven't seen alot Lance/Mills but they look like they throw with accuracy and anticipation. Do not like Feilds.
 

steelbtexan

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Ridiculous again. So you're saying Mac Jones and Wilson are championship level qbs, but Watson isn't?
I'm saying they will have more rings than DW4 if they dont end up on a crappy team that cant protect them and they get hurt. Yes, I know this is an unpopular opinion but you cant win a championship with a guy like DW4 and his me 1st attitude. Maybe he will prove me wrong but I doubt it.
 

badboy

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Hold on, I speak jive.

I believe what he is saying is we don't know if Mac Jones & Wilson are Championship level QBs. They could be. Just like it was possible Watson could have been at that time in his career.

But 4 years in, he knows DW4 isn't. Time to take another shot in the dark.
Jive? I don't think that's what Steelbtexan was saying at all but I just speak English.
 

leebigeztx

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I'm saying they will have more rings than DW4 if they dont end up on a crappy team that cant protect them and they get hurt. Yes, I know this is an unpopular opinion but you cant win a championship with a guy like DW4 and his me 1st attitude. Maybe he will prove me wrong but I doubt it.
So you're saying Watson has been protected appropriately? Now he's a me guy too? Nah, your opinion is unpopular because it's not truthful and you know it. By the way, how did Mahomes perform with Watson like protection in the superbowl? See, you will give a pass to those you favor no matter how good they are. Watson took a bus to the game because he took a beating and he's selfish, yet you're building excuses for guys you think will win rings if they don't get bad olines. Well, what has Watson played behind since he's entered the league?
 

JB

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Yep, doing some math he will only make about 5mil of his salary if he sits out and they fine him.
50k per day pre season
640k per preseason game

This you have to figure out what the dollar amount is. I took the write up below from one on the new CBA for 2020.
-------------------------------------------------------------

First, the daily training-camp fines would become mandatory for players operating under their second contracts. That’s a huge difference, given that most teams usually wipe the slate clean once the player reports. So when, for example, a player incurs $50,000 per day for staying away from camp for 10 days, the full $400,000 comes from his pocket, and neither he nor the team can do anything about it.

And forget about $50,000 per day. Second, the amounts of the fines would be “substantially increased.” The specific numbers aren’t yet known.

Third, the player will lose an accrued season toward free agency by failing to show up for camp on town or by leaving camp for more than five days. This would supersede the rule that removes an accrued year only if the player fails to report within 30 days before the first game of the regular season.
Bolded is key part of your entire comment about the new CBA. 2021 Watson is still operating under his rookie contract.

So he can pull a stunt like D Brown did and sit out the year and then return for the final 6 games and accrue a season?

Which brings up the question of does Watson have any way he can have his new contract voided making his a FA after 21?
 
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steelbtexan

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So you're saying Watson has been protected appropriately? Now he's a me guy too? Nah, your opinion is unpopular because it's not truthful and you know it. By the way, how did Mahomes perform with Watson like protection in the superbowl? See, you will give a pass to those you favor no matter how good they are. Watson took a bus to the game because he took a beating and he's selfish, yet you're building excuses for guys you think will win rings if they don't get bad olines. Well, what has Watson played behind since he's entered the league?
Mahomes was playing in his 2nd SB and reached an AFCCG in his 3rd yr as a starter. DW4 can only hope to reach these heights in his career. Although the OL was terrible in the run game they actually did a pretty good job protecting DW4 but his holding onto the ball to long and slow processing. Yes he's being a selfish petulant child.

We obviously aren't going to agree on this and I hope 31 other teams think like you do and the Texans get more value than what he would be worth to me.
 

steelbtexan

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Hold on, I speak jive.

I believe what he is saying is we don't know if Mac Jones & Wilson are Championship level QBs. They could be. Just like it was possible Watson could have been at that time in his career.

But 4 years in, he knows DW4 isn't. Time to take another shot in the dark.
I'm saying because they're on their rookie deals they stand a much better chance of winning a SB than DW4.
 
So you're saying Watson has been protected appropriately? Now he's a me guy too? Nah, your opinion is unpopular because it's not truthful and you know it. By the way, how did Mahomes perform with Watson like protection in the superbowl? See, you will give a pass to those you favor no matter how good they are. Watson took a bus to the game because he took a beating and he's selfish, yet you're building excuses for guys you think will win rings if they don't get bad olines. Well, what has Watson played behind since he's entered the league?
Enough with the “took a bus” crap. It was a tour bus that is nicer than most apartments. Also he was paid extremely well to just sit, watch game film and play video games. I promise you it was nicer than what the team flew, hell JJ even said it was and joked that he wanted to ride back with him.

Watson signed a new contract and then just a few months later wants out and not only that but he wants the team he goes to to not have to pay much so they can better build a Super Bowl team while the Texans and their fans are just SOL. So yeah he is acting incredibly selfish.
 

steelbtexan

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If you read steelbtexan enough, he know who is a championship quality qb during the draft.
I dont claim to know, I give my thoughts on who has the best chance. After watching 4 yrs of DW4 he's not a championship level QB. IMHO

Shoot me for my opinion.
 

steelbtexan

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Enough with the “took a bus” crap. It was a tour bus that is nicer than most apartments. Also he was paid extremely well to just sit, watch game film and play video games. I promise you it was nicer than what the team flew, hell JJ even said it was and joked that he wanted to ride back with him.

Watson signed a new contract and then just a few months later wants out and not only that but he wants the team he goes to to not have to pay much so they can better build a Super Bowl team while the Texans and their fans are just SOL. So yeah he is acting incredibly selfish.
Yep, the WOF fans make it seem that DW4 rode on the short bus back to Houston. Or if it was a large bus it was the Partridge family bus.
 

steelbtexan

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The biggest issue with Watson is his contract .... He has one more season then he's a cap killer - Even if the cap goes up $10m per year he's still 22.1% in 23 and 22.5% in 23.



If the Texans trade him and they are paying 17% of his salary .... that's a big deal for the receiving team in terms of a cap advantage. That team would be paying him 19.2% of their cap in 22 and 19.8% in 23 instead of the above figures.
That's the equivalent of a $5.5m free agent that they couldn't otherwise afford.

I'm not certain those ~$10m increases happen as that's two of the four years set for the owners to recover their losses from this past season. We're likely to see half that in cap increases for the four year period starting with this 2021/22 season.
Supposedly according to Florio the NFL is going to ask for double the rights fees in the next TV deal. Florio seems to think the NFL will get the money. I wonder how much of that increase will go towards the cap?
 

steelbtexan

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You could be right and I hope you are. The difference though is in the 90s there wasn’t all this talk about players “building their brand”. Even the it names like the Jordan, Aikman and Bryds didn’t think themselves bigger than the team. Now athletes are very much me first and if I’m not happy with a team do anything and everything to get out and to Hell with the fans and team I’m leaving.

Sad part is many fans now are player fans and not team fans so they happily excuse this behavior.
Yep

I cant wait to see Clemson Texans drivel on this subject.

Wonder if he will become a Clemson Jags fan next?
 

OptimisticTexan

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One thing I know for certain......if Watson and Mahomes had switched teams from the get-go, the same exact results would've happed for both teams. Watson would've crapped the bed in his second SB just like Mahomes since he would've never been prepared to handle a defense that was as ready as the Bucs. If Watson and Mahomes switch spots just for second SB.....Watson has the better game simply b/c this is the type of defensive intrusion he's been playing against since arriving, only he would've had better coaching, running game, TE, and receivers to go with his ability to survive most shite storms.

All that aside, I think Watson had all the ability to win a SB....unfortunately, the Texans never had FO, scouts, coaching staff or the talent to do it. Watson has taken a massive twitter crap in the middle of the Texans bed and unfortunately there's no coming back from that. He needs to go to a new team and let the Caserio era begin with a bundle of picks and the clearing of a bad cap situation.
 
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Corrosion

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Supposedly according to Florio the NFL is going to ask for double the rights fees in the next TV deal. Florio seems to think the NFL will get the money. I wonder how much of that increase will go towards the cap?

I have to question whether or not they'd come close to getting that , not with viewership down~10% from last season to this one and similar numbers for the playoffs and Superbowl down 12% from last year .... those numbers on top of a decade long decline in viewers ?
 


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