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DW4 staying or going?

On May 1st 2021 DeShawn Watson will be:


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OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
C'mon my friend SteelB that usually sharp football acumen of yours has failed you in this comment !
The first QB drafted in the MaHomes/Watson class was Trubisky and he's not even remotely in the same conversation of eiher the Chiefs or Texans QB after 4 years in the league. In other words a players draft position may or may not be relevant to his value in the NFL after 3 or 4 years.
But yes Elway looked to be a great NFL QB coming out of Stanford and of course he did in fact become one of the all time great QBs but so many other highly drafted QBs disappointed, some even busted.
Elway was on his way to a Jim Kelly NFL career until the Broncos found him a running game. Elway was always a bridesmaid until they got him a bonafide running game. If that running game never arrives.....Elway and the Broncos don't win a SB......they would've had to wait for Manning's arrival.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
Talentwise coming out of college Elway was the most gifted QB I've seen. Pretty sure fire future superstar. DW4 despite all of the accolades you mention fell to #12 for a reason and was the 3rd QB picked. He's better than I thought he would be but he's nowhere near the best QB in his class.

Different times/different players when comparing Elway/ DW4 there's really no comparing the 2. If the Texans get three 1sts and a young all pro player from Carolina then that's a win for Caserio IMHO. I know many will disagree with me but everybody on this MB values DW4 much differently than I do.
We're not all that far apart on compensation for Watson. 3 1's and a player or 4 .

The thing for me is how we replace Watson - I want to do that immediately with Wilson & Carolina can't get me to #2 where its highly likely the Jets take my target if they didn't get Watson.

Unless you feel like Mac Jones or Justin Fields is in the same ballpark , its the Jets you deal with.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
Why isn't Mac Jones considered the number two or at worst third best QB coming into this draft? Texans have one of those Bama prodigy QB's carrying a clipboard behind Watson. He's the only CFB QB to have won back to back National Championships, yet he was only a RD5 pick.

Alabama, like D1 secondary schools Run-N-Shoot QB's.....they just don't seem to have NFL careers that come anywhere near their Bama careers. That can become a nasty stigma to shake. Tua could be a bust. Hurts is a wait and see. Hurts will be playing behind a pretty bad team who picked a bad time for a HC change. Bama just didn't have much else between McCarron and Hurts arrival. In all honesty, Hurts may be Bama's best chance at NFL success. I think McCarron should avoid signing with the Texans and make himself available to the 49'ers where Shanahan's WC offense is taylor made for McCarron's skill-set. I think McCarron could resurrect his career in SF......if they wanted to give him a chance.

Saban's offensive philosophy over the years has been basically a WCO at its root .... while having the most talent on the field in 11 out of 12 games every year around a QB who isn't prone to mistakes and is capable of getting the ball to those better athletes.

I really don't believe McCarron is an NFL starter but he's a pretty good backup , there's such a fine line between average / good / great and most of that is between the ears and what that guy can do when things don't go as planned.

Ever hear of a man named Namath?
How many fans know anything about the league pre-merger ? Namath came out in 65.
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
Ever hear of a man named Namath?
Recent......I meant recently. Namath won a SB after calling his shot but his stats weren't really nothing to write home about after the knee-capping(s). I was old enough to not only know who Namath was but considered him one of my QB's as well. I thought the persona was cool as hail. Dude had swag before anyone else knew how to identify it as swag.
 

IDEXAN

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
Elway was on his way to a Jim Kelly NFL career until the Broncos found him a running game. Elway was always a bridesmaid until they got him a bonafide running game. If that running game never arrives.....Elway and the Broncos don't win a SB......they would've had to wait for Manning's arrival.
If the Broncos don't draft a future HOF in 6th round of the '95 Draft you say Elway dosen't win a SB ? Ok so what because he's still John Elway who's in the HOF today since John Elway is in the HOF because he's John Elway, not because the Denver Broncos won a couple SBs.
 

JB

Old Curmudgeon
Contributor's Club
Recent......I meant recently. Namath won a SB after calling his shot but his stats weren't really nothing to write home about after the knee-capping(s). I was old enough to not only know who Namath was but considered him one of my QB's as well. I thought the persona was cool as hail. Dude had swag before anyone else knew how to identify it as swag.
You didn't put any qualifications on your statement... btw, there was also a man named Stabler that did pretty good
 

Jack Burton

Practice Squad
Why isn't Mac Jones considered the number two or at worst third best QB coming into this draft? Texans have one of those Bama prodigy QB's carrying a clipboard behind Watson. He's the only CFB QB to have won back to back National Championships, yet he was only a RD5 pick.

Alabama, like D1 secondary schools Run-N-Shoot QB's.....they just don't seem to have NFL careers that come anywhere near their Bama careers. That can become a nasty stigma to shake. Tua could be a bust. Hurts is a wait and see. Hurts will be playing behind a pretty bad team who picked a bad time for a HC change. Bama just didn't have much else between McCarron and Hurts arrival. In all honesty, Hurts may be Bama's best chance at NFL success. I think McCarron should avoid signing with the Texans and make himself available to the 49'ers where Shanahan's WC offense is taylor made for McCarron's skill-set. I think McCarron could resurrect his career in SF......if they wanted to give him a chance.
I always thought McCarron was better than he got advertised and he had CIN in place with seconds to go to beat PIT and win their 1st playoff game in forever until the idiots on his defense screwed him over and decided to gift the game to PIT. He’s at least Garrapollo level QB to me.
I was going to say I think Jones might just go ahead of Fields. This is a weird year since there’s no combine but I bet if there was, Jones would shine with accuracy and rise ahead of Fields. Jones is supposedly really smart in the film room too. There actually a really good chance he doesn’t even get out of the top 10. I could easily see NE trading up for him.
Also, clearly CAR is in the QB market. If they don’t get Watson or another QB through FA, they are taking a QB in the draft. Add DEN to that mix. And if Dak can’t prove he’s healthy, DAL could fall bassackwards into a QB too. All top 10 picks.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Anyone interested in a Watson jersey? I paid $150 for this a couple of years ago. I think I wore this once, maybe twice. $30 donation to the site (to my Venmo) and I’ll also cover shipping. If Watson stays it’s a great deal. If not, well you can donate it to the homeless and feel good about yourself. :)

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Has it been winterized and given a vaccine for covid-19 yet? Lol I Ponder if a hurricane is the next thing Texas will be going through.
 

Jack Burton

Practice Squad
If the Broncos don't draft a future HOF in 6th round of the '95 Draft you say Elway dosen't win a SB ? Ok so what because he's still John Elway who's in the HOF today since John Elway is in the HOF because he's John Elway, not because the Denver Broncos won a couple SBs.
What Elway did in single handily carrying those 80’s teams to the SB 3 freaking times is probably the greatest feat by a single player in a professional team sport ever. And you could kill QBs back then. Wilt Chamberlain is the only player that compares just putting a team on his back and walking them to the final.
But it is a team sport. And ultimately Elway needed some pretty good players to win a SB.
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
If the Broncos don't draft a future HOF in 6th round of the '95 Draft you say Elway dosen't win a SB ? Ok so what because he's still John Elway who's in the HOF today since John Elway is in the HOF because he's John Elway, not because the Denver Broncos won a couple SBs.
Jim Kelly and Dan Marino are HoF'ers. Buffalo just ran into a buzz saw trying to win SB's. Marino like Elway was a running game away from throwing a few Lombardi Trophy's on his shelf.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
We're not all that far apart on compensation for Watson. 3 1's and a player or 4 .

The thing for me is how we replace Watson - I want to do that immediately with Wilson & Carolina can't get me to #2 where its highly likely the Jets take my target if they didn't get Watson.

Unless you feel like Mac Jones or Justin Fields is in the same ballpark , its the Jets you deal with.
I am warming up to Mac Jones but trading with Jets and drafting Zach Wilson is a no brainer for me. Not sure how I would feel with 2 Nick Saban Bama QBs on the roster. Jones might have the higher football IQ of the two but they're pretty much a carbon copy of each other.
 
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Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
I am warming up to Mac Jones but trading with Jets and drafting Zach Wilson is a no brainer for me. Not sure how I would feel with 2 Nick Saban Bama QBs on the roster. Jones might have the higher football IQ of the two but they're pretty much a carbon copy of each other.

That's been Saban's MO from the get go .... those QB's all look very similar & none of them are particularly highly regarded by the NFL.
 

Jack Burton

Practice Squad
I am warming up to Mac Jones but trading with Jets and drafting Zach Wilson is a no brainer for me. Not sure how I would feel with 2 Nick Saban Bama QBs on the roster. Jones might have the higher football IQ of the two but they're pretty much a carbon copy of each other.
Disagree about Jones. He’s very talented.
I agree about Wilson though. He’s elite to me and has alot the traits you want in a franchise QB. He throws lasers effortlessly and has wheels. Really good play recognition and has all the tools. I would ultimately want him as a successor to Watson if it has to happen.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
Disagree about Jones. He’s very talented.
I agree about Wilson though. He’s elite to me and has alot the traits you want in a franchise QB. He throws lasers effortlessly and has wheels. Really good play recognition and has all the tools. I would ultimately want him as a successor to Watson if it has to happen.
Totally agree about Wilson, see my Zach Wilson thread. I said I was warming to Jones, the more I see the more I like.
 

Jack Burton

Practice Squad
Totally agree about Wilson, see my Zach Wilson thread. I said I was warming to Jones, the more I see the more I like.
The biggest and most important aspect of Jones that is telling is his pocket accuracy. He’s lethal. That one trait to me is the benchmark of a successful college QB transitioning into the pros. His processor, mechanics, vision and footwork are excellent too. You put a good offensive line in front of him and he’s going to carve teams up.
Downside. Not a very good scrambler and runner. But he’s not a terrible athlete.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
That's been Saban's MO from the get go .... those QB's all look very similar & none of them are particularly highly regarded by the NFL.
Yep Alabama is always loaded with the best WR in college so Bama passing game is mostly a pre-determined pass before the snap. Jones is a smart kid, graduated in 2 1/2 years but his job as Alabama QB is not real complicated. The team who drafts him is betting he make the transition to reading defenses and making quick decisions.
 
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steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
We're not all that far apart on compensation for Watson. 3 1's and a player or 4 .

The thing for me is how we replace Watson - I want to do that immediately with Wilson & Carolina can't get me to #2 where its highly likely the Jets take my target if they didn't get Watson.

Unless you feel like Mac Jones or Justin Fields is in the same ballpark , its the Jets you deal with.
I like Mac Jones more than most.

He's really as good as Tua was before injury and has a stronger arm IMHO. If you liked Tua as a top QB before injury you should like Jones.
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
I've never been high on Tua .... wouldn't have drafted him before the 5th round before the injury , I think he's backup material at best.

Never liked Darnold either ...
I'm coming to grips with the idea of getting Tua thrown into a trade for Watson.

Tua missed the 2020 off-season and was QB2 to Fitzpatrick until he was no longer. I think the Dolphins blundered horribly and essentially admitted they did when Fitzpatrick was re-inserted as QB1. Was that an indication of Tua being a bust.....maybe, maybe not.

I'm leaning towards the idea that Tua may require a full off-season preparing for the season and getting year one jitters behind him.....not to mention realizing mentally that he's ready to play from a physical point of view.

So, the Texans could easily afford to sign McCarron and let the both of them compete for the starting QB1 spot. If McCarron takes the spot, then the Texans may have a nice asset for the trade deadline.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
I'm coming to grips with the idea of getting Tua thrown into a trade for Watson.

Tua missed the 2020 off-season and was QB2 to Fitzpatrick until he was no longer. I think the Dolphins blundered horribly and essentially admitted they did when Fitzpatrick was re-inserted as QB1. Was that an indication of Tua being a bust.....maybe, maybe not.

I'm leaning towards the idea that Tua may require a full off-season preparing for the season and getting year one jitters behind him.....not to mention realizing mentally that he's ready to play from a physical point of view.

So, the Texans could easily afford to sign McCarron and let the both of them compete for the starting QB1 spot. If McCarron takes the spot, then the Texans may have a nice asset for the trade deadline.

If you take Tua and sign McCarron .... are you drafting Wilson or Fields at #3 ?

I really like Wilson , I think he could end up being the best QB in this draft and that's not knocking Lawrence , cause he's got a pretty high floor - but Wilson has a whole lotta tools in his box.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
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If you take Tua and sign McCarron .... are you drafting Wilson or Fields at #3 ?

I really like Wilson , I think he could end up being the best QB in this draft and that's not knocking Lawrence , cause he's got a pretty high floor - but Wilson has a whole lotta tools in his box.
If I had to I would take Tua in a trade.

But If Wilson fell to #3 I would pick him without hesitation.
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
If I had to I would take Tua in a trade.

But If Wilson fell to #3 I would pick him without hesitation.
Crazy as it sounds.....if Zach Wilson somehow fell to #3, then it was meant to be. I'd still take Tua in the trade and know in the back of my mind, he's a trade asset at the deadline or as soon as Wilson is ready to take the field. I'm still signing McCarron as my insurance piece in the event of injury or the eventual trading of Tua so he'd be QB2 to Wilson. The only thing that blows this whole thing out of the water....if Tua is having a bang-up season and the Texans are playing better than expected. Texans would have to be in the playoff picture not to move Tua. If Tua's stock has gone up and the teams record is as expected, then the Texans could get a RD1 for him in the 2022 draft. That would be (3) RD1's in 2022 and give the Texans a massive draft asset kitty for 2021.
 
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otisbean

Veteran
Contributor's Club
If you take Tua and sign McCarron .... are you drafting Wilson or Fields at #3 ?

I really like Wilson , I think he could end up being the best QB in this draft and that's not knocking Lawrence , cause he's got a pretty high floor - but Wilson has a whole lotta tools in his box.
For what it’s worth June Jones is also really high on both Wilson and Jones.
 

otisbean

Veteran
Contributor's Club
One of the things driving me crazy is this notion that it would be tough for the Jets to trade for Watson because of all the picks they’d have to give up. Effectively if we received their 2 firsts and their 2nd this year plus a first and second in ‘22, that’s the equivalent of trading their first this year plus Jamal Adams and a couple seconds for a 25 year old top QB that’s under contract with us paying a chunk of his salary. Not to mention they could trade SD to recoup some of the picks as well. This seems like a fair deal, we’d get the equivalent of 4 first rd picks and the Jets still have the ability to build around Watson.

If it were me I’d franchise Fuller and trade Watson and WF to the Jets for the above package of picks plus Quinen Williams
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
One of the things driving me crazy is this notion that it would be tough for the Jets to trade for Watson because of all the picks they’d have to give up. Effectively if we received their 2 firsts and their 2nd this year plus a first and second in ‘22, that’s the equivalent of trading their first this year plus Jamal Adams and a couple seconds for a 25 year old top QB that’s under contract with us paying a chunk of his salary. Not to mention they could trade SD to recoup some of the picks as well. This seems like a fair deal, we’d get the equivalent of 4 first rd picks and the Jets still have the ability to build around Watson.

If it were me I’d franchise Fuller and trade Watson and WF to the Jets for the above package of picks plus Quinen Williams

The thing is WATSON doesn't want the team he goes to to pay the price. He wants to get out and go to a team that isn't at all hampered by making the acquisition.

So the Texans are suppose to give him away for peanuts and pay 17% of his salary for the next 5 years .... because that's what he wants.

Screw that guy.
 

Jack Burton

Practice Squad
Peter King today,

Over the weekend, two common themes emerged about Houston’s near future. One: The Texans have one untouchable player, Watson, as of now. Two: Houston is not only not interested in trading Watson but also not interested in listening to offers for him. At least two teams have given offers to Houston and gotten zero feedback. Like, no reaction, no “We’ll get back to you.” Nothing.

Surely rookie GM Nick Caserio is gathering said offers in a Stickie on his desktop, or in some encrypted Word file. He knows one day he might have to act on one of them. I’m told he’s categorically opposed to trading Watson, period—either in the next nine weeks before the draft (when he’d clearly get the best deal to start the Texans’ post-Watson lives) or ever. It’s easy to say that, of course, when the deadline is far away. It’s easy to say that too, when you know that trading a 25-year-old franchise quarterback is crazy, and when fresh in the memory of all Houston fans is the warm-and-fuzzy press conference just 24 weeks ago when a grateful and emotional Watson was so thrilled to sign a $156-million contract extension with the Texans.
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
Is there a defensive stud available at #3

If I get Tua, it's because we want Tua. We don't have to take him in a trade.
No.....but there's an OT stud that could be as great an OL as Munoz, Mathews, etc in Penei Sewell from Oregon.

I could also trade that #3 pick to a QB desperate team and move back to...lets say the 8th pick (Carolina) and still be in a position to select one of many other impact players that could fill areas of needs for the Texans while picking up an additional 2 picks at the minimum. Just depends on the desperation.....maybe 3 picks with 1 being a RD1 or RD2 in 2022.

Is a QB at #3 going to set the table for the Texans over next 2 years? Not likely. Loading up on picks and preparing this team to protect Tua and McCarron while becoming a complete team on both sides of the ball will do much more for the Texans. Like any great team.....you can probably win "a" SB with a game manager at QB. If you build the team and suddenly find yourself lucky enough to land a "Franchse QB" then you get the Brady, Rothlisberger, Rodgers, Mahomes factor.

Build this team into a monster and Tua or McCarron will look like gold....at a fraction of the cost. I know after a SB.....Tua and McCarron would probably price themselves out and to be quite honest, I'd let them and keep the other 21 positions happy and stocked with fresh talent. A QB could eventually be gotten via the draft or FA and the good thing....many QB's would want to come to a ready built team.
 

TripleTap

Dead Wood
Texans front a charade? I’m worried that these mutts that own/run the team might be just dumb enough to play out the “we’re not trading Watson” posturing just long enough to lose the hocking war on any possible deal. They should be taking calls and responding with polite “Maybe” or “that’s quite interesting” to all comers.

Front office looks like it’s run by puffed-up 14 year olds. Could we please get real, face music, and see what kind of grown-up deal we can get for Mr. Watson from the grown-ups in the room?
 

Speedy

Yeller Dweller
Peter King today,


Are they really not even picking up the phone? I get standing your ground, at least for now, but shouldn't you at least be building a rapport with these teams in case you've got to go to plan B, C and so on?
 

ArlingtonTexan

Moderator
Staff member
Peter King today,


Trade what if from a non-Texans fan interest...I started to do these as separate replies to be easier to respond to but changed my mind

Peter King Proposal: A 7-for-1 deal. Running back Christian McCaffrey, quarterback Teddy Bridgewater, receiver Robbie Anderson and first-round and second-round picks in 2021 (eighth and 39th overall), a first-round pick in 2022 and third-round pick in 2023 in exchange for Watson. Houston might push for the inclusion of 22-year-old pass-rusher Brian Burns as a vital part of any deal, which would be a tough giveaway for coach Matt Rhule. Of course, McCaffrey would be tough too.
Peter King Proposal: A 6-for-1 deal. Quarterback Sam Darnold, defensive lineman Quinnen Williams, first-round picks in 2021 (second overall) and 2022 (the higher of New York’s two first-round picks), plus second-round picks in 2021 (34th overall) and 2023 in exchange for Watson. Caserio could turn the second overall pick this year into another ransom. But I’m just skeptical that Douglas would make this move. Obviously, he’d be thrilled to get Watson. But he knows he has a crummy overall roster and denuding his looming drafts I believe is too much for him to accept. One other factor here: With Houston in some cap trouble and the Jets with a monstrous $68 million in cap space per Jason Fitzgerald of Over The Cap, the Texans could ask the Jets to take the guaranteed $10.5-million 2020 contract of fading edge rusher Whitney Mercilus.
Peter King Proposal: Seven-for-1. Garoppolo, linebacker Fred Warner (that really hurts), tackle Mike McGlinchey, first-round picks in 2021 (12th overall) and 2022, plus a second-round pick in 2021 and third-round pick in 2022 for Watson. It’s a lot for the Niners to pay; of all the players in all the deals I’m proposing, Warner would be the most coveted one in my book. But he’s here because he is entering the final year of his rookie contract and would want a new deal. (McGlinchey is in exact same position, too.) Houston could view them as cornerstones for the rebuild.
Peter King Proposal: The Vikings send quarterback Kirk Cousins to San Francisco. The Niners send Garoppolo to Houston, if, of course, he’d waive his no-trade. The Texans send Watson to Minnesota. In return: the Niners send their first-round pick in 2021 (12th overall) to Houston, and they’re out. (So San Francisco would be trading Garoppolo and a one to Houston and getting Cousins with two years left on his contract.) The Vikings would send linebacker Anthony Barr and running back Alexander Mattison plus their first-round picks in 2021 (14th overall) and 2023, and second-round picks in 2022 and 2023 in exchange for Watson. Houston’s haul: Garoppolo, two ones this year, a one in 2023, and two second-round picks.
Peter King Proposal: Miami trades defensive end Christian Wilkins, quarterback Tua Tagovailoa, first-round picks in 2021 (third overall) and 2023, and second-round picks in 2021 and 2022 for Watson. In essence, Miami is trading the 13th overall pick in 2019 (Wilkins) and the fifth overall pick in 2020 (Tagovailoa), plus two ones and two twos for Watson. Advantage for Miami is the deal would leave the Dolphins with first-round and second-round picks this year and their first next year while giving them a quarterback to play on equal footing with Josh Allen in the AFC East for the next decade.
 
Texans front a charade? I’m worried that these mutts that own/run the team might be just dumb enough to play out the “we’re not trading Watson” posturing just long enough to lose the hocking war on any possible deal. They should be taking calls and responding with polite “Maybe” or “that’s quite interesting” to all comers.

Front office looks like it’s run by puffed-up 14 year olds. Could we please get real, face music, and see what kind of grown-up deal we can get for Mr. Watson from the grown-ups in the room?
No right now they are looking like hard nose business men that are not going to be forced into a bad deal by a kid that won’t honor his contract. The grown up thing to do in this is to set your price and if that price isn’t met you don’t settle. Texans can “win” by Watson sitting out because frankly 21 was going to be a bad year anyway so even if Watson doesn’t play that just means they get a higher draft pick and Watson’s stock won’t go down. There will be another QB desperate team next year.

Are they really not even picking up the phone? I get standing your ground, at least for now, but shouldn't you at least be building a rapport with these teams in case you've got to go to plan B, C and so on?
Why? Plan A is Watson stays and either sits out, in which case you fine him, or he plays. Plan B is you get the price you want in which case I’d say that’s from the Jets who haven’t called. You don’t need a plan C as no team can offer what the Jets can and Watson can’t get out of his contract unless you let him out.
 

ArlingtonTexan

Moderator
Staff member
Texans front a charade? I’m worried that these mutts that own/run the team might be just dumb enough to play out the “we’re not trading Watson” posturing just long enough to lose the hocking war on any possible deal. They should be taking calls and responding with polite “Maybe” or “that’s quite interesting” to all comers.

Front office looks like it’s run by puffed-up 14 year olds. Could we please get real, face music, and see what kind of grown-up deal we can get for Mr. Watson from the grown-ups in the room?
My current prediction is that the Texan will do exactly that. find a way to mess around with this, putting The team trade to, Watson and the Texans in the worst possible spot where there will be no real winners.
 

FireBOB

Noob
Can anyone cite an example of a team refusing to trade a disgruntled player, the player sitting out a year, and the team ultimately winning - either by the player successfully reintegrating into the team, or his trade value increasing?
 

banned1976

All Pro
To the Texans fans that are holding out hopes that the team trades Watson, ownership and the front office message to everyone in the league is this - you don't have enough to give us for what we sincerely believe is Watson's value.

All you guys are doing is fantasizing about something that isn't going to happen.

Watson will either retire forever or he will play for the Texans. And I agree with that stance from Caserio. He's been around long enough to know that as long as you're searching for a quarterback your chances are slim to none of making it to a Super Bowl.
 

FireBOB

Noob
To the Texans fans that are holding out hopes that the team trades Watson, ownership and the front office message to everyone in the league is this - you don't have enough to give us for what we sincerely believe is Watson's value.

All you guys are doing is fantasizing about something that isn't going to happen.

Watson will either retire forever or he will play for the Texans. And I agree with that stance from Caserio. He's been around long enough to know that as long as you're searching for a quarterback your chances are slim to none of making it to a Super Bowl.
If Caserio and Watson go down this path, how do you see it ending?
 

TripleTap

Dead Wood
“you don't have enough to give us for what we sincerely believe is Watson's value”

Oh, for heaven’s sake, Watson is plenty good, but not THAT good. I mean he’s going to go for a bundle, to be sure, but There are several teams (Jets, Miami, Panthers, Denver, maybe even SF) are perfectly capable of putting together appropriate and sufficiently lucrative package of picks and players. The point I’m making is that the Texans look like “puffed up 14 year olds” in a league and a business with a lot of serious businessmen, not poseurs.

Add to which, nothing that is going on here is sincere, save Watson’s wish to blow the dumpster. What Cal and Casario are doing is huffing and puffing, instead of acting like “hard-nosed businessmen” and saying politely, “Well, you never know, thanks for your call, we’ll keep you in mind if & when things develop.”

That way they deal from strength with all options wide open, and they get a lot of information nobody has right now, like what Watson’s actual market value is or might be should a trade be entertained eventually.

So they can then make thoughtful moves in any direction and stop the flood of guesses about ridiculous (7 picks and two players, for example, which I saw somewhere) trade pkgs people imagine will be offered.
 

leebigeztx

Keep it Movin!
I am warming up to Mac Jones but trading with Jets and drafting Zach Wilson is a no brainer for me. Not sure how I would feel with 2 Nick Saban Bama QBs on the roster. Jones might have the higher football IQ of the two but they're pretty much a carbon copy of each other.
Does Zach Wilson not being named a team captain a concern to you?
 

Jack Burton

Practice Squad
Can anyone cite an example of a team refusing to trade a disgruntled player, the player sitting out a year, and the team ultimately winning - either by the player successfully reintegrating into the team, or his trade value increasing?
I can’t cite the sitting out a year but Jay Cutler threatened to if he wasn’t traded.
Once Shanahan was fired and McDaniels hired, Cutler never engaged the team again. Mcdaniels I think called him and tried a hardball approach and Cutler hung up on him Or something like that.
Cutler had his agent demand a trade and Cutler would not return Pat Bowlens calls.
He was traded for 2 1’s and Orton Shortly thereafter.
Also, many would say in hindsight that Cutler sucked. But at the time of that trade under Shanahan he was very good and most of the league couldn’t fathom how that happened.
Dont shoot the messenger.
 


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