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Should we trade Watson?

Should we trade Watson?

  • Yes, without a doubt.

  • Yes, depending on compensation (please list your trade scenario).

  • No, never.

  • No, unless he plays hardball and sits.

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Lucky said:
What you’ve stated is wrong. Had you done your own research, you would know you’re wrong.

The Denver Broncos were the Super Bowl champs in 2015. Peyton Manning accounted for $19 million against the salary cap. The salary cap for 2015 was $143.28 mIllion. $19 million is 13.26% of the salary cap. 13.26% is more than 13.2%.

And that’s how someone (not you) came up with the mythical 13.2. Looked up the championship QBs, found the one with the highest % of the cap, and made the claim that it’s impossible to win a championship with a higher %.

Except they forgot to round up. A completely fabricated argument. It’s foolish to continue to repeat it.
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You are just wrong. He redid his deal and reduced his cap hit for that year.

Peyton Manning Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac
 
leebigeztx said:
Have you ever negotiated from a position of weakness? Ever sold a house in a buyers market? Trading DW4 is basically impossible for the Texans. Why? If Watson truly wants out and he gives you a list of a couple of teams, those teams are in power now. So say he says Miami for example, Miami will off the Texans the minimum. They can keep Tua and flip him for more capital somewhere else. They will offer their 1st this year and maybe a 1st next year if they're feeling generous. That 1st rd pick this yr would be their 1st rd pick, not the Texans pick. So the Texans get the 14th pick this year and the 14th pick next yr and no qb. If they trade Watson, might as well trade Tunsil and any other young players.
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Then you laugh at them, tell them to F off and while you're at it leak to their local press, just out of spite, that they tried to low ball on a once in a lifetime offer for a franchise QB in his prime. Meanwhile back on the home front you tell Watson none of the teams on his list were willing to come to the table with a serious offer so either he completely waives the no trade clause and let you play the entire market, he shows up and honors his contract or he should tell his accountant that his income is about to nose dive. To many people, including I think Watson, think this is the Harden show all over again. Its not, NFL doesn't play nice with their player contracts like the NBA does.
 
leebigeztx said:
Have you ever negotiated from a position of weakness? Ever sold a house in a buyers market? Trading DW4 is basically impossible for the Texans. Why? If Watson truly wants out and he gives you a list of a couple of teams, those teams are in power now. So say he says Miami for example, Miami will off the Texans the minimum. They can keep Tua and flip him for more capital somewhere else. They will offer their 1st this year and maybe a 1st next year if they're feeling generous. That 1st rd pick this yr would be their 1st rd pick, not the Texans pick. So the Texans get the 14th pick this year and the 14th pick next yr and no qb. If they trade Watson, might as well trade Tunsil and any other young players.
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So if you're Dolphins and I am the Texans here is the deal, if you want DW4 it will cost you a minimum of (4) 1st RD picks incl both first RD picks this year, 2021. I'm not interested in Tua so do not incl him as part of your offer. This will get your foot in the door and start the conversation. Anything less then we're not interested. You should know we're also negotiating with your arch rival and division foe NY Jets. If you're not interested I certainly understand but several other teams are. If you're interested then I look forward to our future discussions and negotiations.
 
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maverick512000 said:
Then you laugh at them, tell them to F off and while you're at it leak to their local press, just out of spite, that they tried to low ball on a once in a lifetime offer for a franchise QB in his prime. Meanwhile back on the home front you tell Watson none of the teams on his list were willing to come to the table with a serious offer so either he completely waives the no trade clause and let you play the entire market, he shows up and honors his contract or he should tell his accountant that his income is about to nose dive. To many people, including I think Watson, think this is the Harden show all over again. Its not, NFL doesn't play nice with their player contracts like the NBA does.
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Listen, I understand that especially the difference between nba and nfl, but a young top 5 qb is the closest thing we have in football to a nba superstar. I'm not projecting this and I hope everything works out with Watson, but if there is 1 player that can disrupt the entire franchise, its the qb. So if he gives 1 or 2 teams if the Texans come to this nuclear option, the team isn't getting anything close to value.
 
steelbtexan said:
Then you keep him

What they should've done with Hopkins.

DW4's agent will be the guy that helps facilitate the trade.
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I'm always amazed at these dream scenarios when it comes to trades. If you're calling teams, then you're going to get screwed or less value. The Hopkins trade is by far the worse trade in Houston sports history. It wasn't that they traded a top 3 player at his position, its the fact the return. As I stated, they could've at least gotten what Minny got for Diggs and the young wr Kirk
 
leebigeztx said:
Listen, I understand that especially the difference between nba and nfl, but a young top 5 qb is the closest thing we have in football to a nba superstar. I'm not projecting this and I hope everything works out with Watson, but if there is 1 player that can disrupt the entire franchise, its the qb. So if he gives 1 or 2 teams if the Texans come to this nuclear option, the team isn't getting anything close to value.
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Then you don't trade him. Not sure why so many don't get that. If he sits out you start fining him, its really not that hard.
 
Norg said:
to be fair the jags have been rebuilding since 2002 the formation of the AFC South :P
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The Washington Football Team has been rebuilding since our last Super Bowl in 1992. It's really not that hard. You just hire a few HOF head coaches, acquire a slew of first round draft picks, and spend like crazy on free agents. It's a guaranteed path to success! The Texans, too, may one day win their division with a 7-9 record.

Feels like this was just yesterday. Rivera will be the man to lead us back to glory! Before that it was Gruden. Before that it was Shanahan. Not going to count Zorn. Before that it was Gibbs. Before that it was The Visor. Before that it was Marty. Point is, if you keep drafting in the first round and hiring lots of head coaches and GMs, you're bound to win a SB one day. Right?

Right?

 
Max said:
I like Stafford but we're no where close to being ready to compete so I'd rather see a rookie grow with the team. What I like about a rookie is that he'd be playing behind what should be a really good OLine (assuming we get a decent coach). Let the rookie grow while we rebuild the defense with draft picks.
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I like that idea too. We put Dwayne Haskins (15th overall pick) behind one of the best offensive lines in the NFL. Worked out marvelously. We got a pretty decent coach too.

Chances are the Texans will not win a Super Bowl in the next 20 years no matter what they do. Having a bevy of high picks is no guarantee for success. The WFT got a slew of picks (8) with the Ricky Williams trade and wasted all of them. Only Cleveland and Detroit have had more Top 10 (not just 1st Round) picks since 2000. We've had at least 2 (possibly 3) head coaches in Canton. Two QBs drafted high in the 1st Round. Three GMs including one who assembled a SB winning roster for another team.

The chances of winning with Watson on the roster are also very low. But you're better off having that one key piece of the roster secured and then trying to work out cap issues through restructuring than you are demolishing the roster and starting from scratch. Lots of organizations do total overhauls with little to show for it. They all believe they're going to be the exception (Seahawks) and not the rule (Redskins).

The one thing the Texans and WFT have in common is an owner that's reviled by the fanbase. That's the common denominator. But Cal McNair makes Dan Synder look like Branch Rickey. At least Synder shows some engagement with his pet project.
 
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I would absolutely not rush into a trade this off-season if it was my choice. I don’t think Watson sitting out a year would harm his value all that much, so I wouldn’t give into that threat (if it’s actually real).

Let him sit, go 0-16, and trade him next off season when we have some of our own picks back and we could really stockpile a bunch of picks. Getting another year away from this salary cap disaster would also be huge.

Best scenario to me is to still try and get Watson to stay long term. If he stays the year and plays, there is still a chance to fix that relationship. If it’s unfixable, hold onto him one more year unless an offer this year really blows us away. No need to accept anything less then a great offer when time is on our side.
 
leebigeztx said:
I'm always amazed at these dream scenarios when it comes to trades. If you're calling teams, then you're going to get screwed or less value. The Hopkins trade is by far the worse trade in Houston sports history. It wasn't that they traded a top 3 player at his position, its the fact the return. As I stated, they could've at least gotten what Minny got for Diggs and the young wr Kirk
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Yep, a well run franchise either gets a good deal for a player or they hold onto the player. The contract situations were the difference in the trade value. This is what happens when you let mommas run things.

For instance after looking at the Adams trade I think DW4 is worth atleast that and taking on contracts to get the Texans out of cap hell. Maybe more
 
PolarBear said:
I'm not sold on Tua yet. His ceiling seems to be a lot lower than Watson's. Good poise and good game management skills, but so far all 'dink and dunk' passes (a la Alex Smith). He hasn't shown an ability to stretch the field AT ALL in his first (half) season. Out of 290 pass attempts, only THREE completions were longer than 30 yards. Next season he'll need to quickly improve on being able to complete deep passes, and complete passes into tight windows, or defenses will increasingly shut him down.

My fantasy trade would be to send him to the Jags for the number one pick (Trevor Lawrence)...
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To be fair part of Tag problem was his wide receivers not getting open and when they did Dropping the ball. As I said partly of course some was on him. Hey polar bear what happened to the Bears offensive coordinator Chan Gailey? Oh yes he was run off. I am just saying everything needs to be looked at
 
PolarBear said:
I'm not sold on Tua yet. His ceiling seems to be a lot lower than Watson's. Good poise and good game management skills, but so far all 'dink and dunk' passes (a la Alex Smith). He hasn't shown an ability to stretch the field AT ALL in his first (half) season. Out of 290 pass attempts, only THREE completions were longer than 30 yards. Next season he'll need to quickly improve on being able to complete deep passes, and complete passes into tight windows, or defenses will increasingly shut him down.

My fantasy trade would be to send him to the Jags for the number one pick (Trevor Lawrence)...
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To be fair part of to us problem was his wide receivers not getting open and when they did Dropping the ball. As I said partly of course some was on him. Hey polar bear, what happened to his offensive coordinator Chan Gailey? Oh yeah he left after one year
 
Corrosion said:
I think its his agent that's at the root of all of this crap. That guy's bad for the league. If players have that kinda leverage with 4-5 years on their contracts , that's as bad as the NBA where players force their way to desired destinations on a routine basis and the league suffers for it.

The way the CBA is right now , teams have leverage while players are under contract for multiple years as players just can't sit out / refuse to play - they don't get paid and their contract doesn't toll an accrued season.

I'd tell Watson show up and honor your contract or don't get paid and while you are at it , return that bonus money.
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If you think the team is better off with DW4 then that's exactly what you do. Maybe for the good of the league you do it that way regardless.
 
Thenewbeginning said:
The absolutely last and I mean LAST resort would be to trade Watson. Fire Easterby, have Watson heavily involved in the head coach process, ask him what he wants to make him happy. New clean slate.

Watson is 25 years old only, top 5 QB in the league, great in the community, can win any game as long as he is playing. You can't trade him.

I get why he is upset. While the Texans didn't have to involve him, they said the would have him involved in the GM and H.C process. Reportably, they have done the exact opposite. I mean to not even request an interview with Bienemy is a disgrace. Even if the Texans didn't want to hire him, you must atleast interview him when your star QB is advocating for him.

Let's say we get to that last report option as Watson demands a trade and there is no turning back. Texans shouldn't even pick up the phone unless ATLEAST (3) first round draft picks and (2) 2nd round picks are involved. Bare minimum.

Think what it would take for a team to move up to #1 and draft Trevor Lawrence. It would cost atleast 3 first round picks. There is no guarantee with Lawrence. You know exactly what you are getting out of Watson. A Top 5 QB in his prime just 25 years old. Tua, he's trash. No arm strength, brittle. I don't count Tua as a"1st round pick." It's laughable the proposals some of you have said you would be willing to take for Watson. Remember, top 5 Qb's don't grow on trees.

Make it right!
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I do not see Tua tag arm strength as a question his rookie season in Miami. His passing was effected by his injury an inability to set himself to throw. Can you tell me why his first games in 2020 were good and then he deteriorated?
 
leebigeztx said:
Have you ever negotiated from a position of weakness? Ever sold a house in a buyers market? Trading DW4 is basically impossible for the Texans. Why? If Watson truly wants out and he gives you a list of a couple of teams, those teams are in power now. So say he says Miami for example, Miami will off the Texans the minimum. They can keep Tua and flip him for more capital somewhere else. They will offer their 1st this year and maybe a 1st next year if they're feeling generous. That 1st rd pick this yr would be their 1st rd pick, not the Texans pick. So the Texans get the 14th pick this year and the 14th pick next yr and no qb. If they trade Watson, might as well trade Tunsil and any other young players.
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Uh have you read any of the like 30 pages disagreeing with your point of view? Just a suggestion that you may want to go back historically and catch up
 
Norg said:
to be fair the jags have been rebuilding since 2002 the formation of the AFC South :P
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The Jags have actually been to an AFC championship game in that same time period when the Texans have never been past the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Jags fans are looking at us right now and thinking "at least we aren't stuck with the Houston Texans". Even Browns fans are laughing at us now. lol
 
TexCanada said:
I would absolutely not rush into a trade this off-season if it was my choice. I don’t think Watson sitting out a year would harm his value all that much, so I wouldn’t give into that threat (if it’s actually real).

Let him sit, go 0-16, and trade him next off season when we have some of our own picks back and we could really stockpile a bunch of picks. Getting another year away from this salary cap disaster would also be huge.

Best scenario to me is to still try and get Watson to stay long term. If he stays the year and plays, there is still a chance to fix that relationship. If it’s unfixable, hold onto him one more year unless an offer this year really blows us away. No need to accept anything less then a great offer when time is on our side.
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For me now is time if you are going to trade Watson. You have the 2nd and 3rd draft pick teams both with two first-round picks and significant other pieces and wanting our guy. You also have two debatable good QBs available plus another in Trask if you choose to trade down for more.
 
Max said:
23 of the 32 starting qb's this year started their rookie year and you cherrie pick Haskins as an example? Come on now.
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What are the odds of drafting a Burrow/Herbert vs a Haskins over the next 2 yrs?

Yes the Texans will have a top 5 pick with or without DW4 next yr and according to some this will be everybody's fault but DW4's.
 
steelbtexan said:
What are the odds of drafting a Burrow/Herbert vs a Haskins over the next 2 yrs?
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That's what Caserio needs to factor and I'm relying on you draft guys input on my take that we should consider trading Watson. If Zach Wilson projects like Joe Burrow and he feels like we can land him with the 2nd or 3rd pick, I get what I can from Miami or the Jets rather than having Watson sit out. If Wilson or anyone else isn't at a Burrow/Herbert level, then I play hardball with Watson.
 
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McClain:

Early on, you were dismissive of a Watson trade. What changed?

He could be traded. Anyone could be traded. I could also weigh 180 lbs in the month too. I always thought they’d find a way to work it out. ... I think they’ll get it worked out, even though his agent leaked to ESPN he wouldn’t be back under any circumstance. He’s under contract. You retire or play. If you sit out, you don’t get credit for the season. If they make it Harden ugly, you have no choice but to trade him but I can’t imagine him doing what Harden did.

Percentage at now?

Until he’s traded, I’m not gonna believe it. I can’t put a percentage on it. I haven’t heard Watson say he wants to be traded. All unnamed sources. So I’m still gonna say he’s not gonna be traded.

What do you make of Watson not saying anything? Silence speak volumes?

No idea what Deshaun thinks. If he wanted to be traded, why not say so? Silence to me means he’s waiting to see what happens.

Who is Watson’s choice?

No idea what Watson thinks. Anyone we asked him about, he praised including Bill O’Brien and Jack Easterby. Never heard him say anything bad about anyone until the last Zoom when he said people here think they have too much power (Easterby). I don’t know if he’s met Leslie Frazier. Said he never met Bieniemy. Sources say he was interested in Robert Saleh. He doesn’t know Robert Saleh. He knows them by reputation. Leslie Frazier is widely respected. If they hire him or Caldwell, once he knows them, I’m sure he’ll like them.

If they’re so great, why are the Texans the only team interested in Frazier or Caldwell?

Never heard anyone use the word great. That’s your word, not mine. I don’t know. Maybe they don’t like older guys. Caldwell is 66, Frazier is 61. I have no idea what other teams thought.

Coincidence that Leslie Frazier has the same agent as Easterby and Caserio?

Of course it’s not a coincidence. So does Tim Kelly. Jim Caldwell doesn’t have him. David Culley doesn’t have him. No, it’s not a coincidence.

Plans with David Culley?

Brought him in for a 2nd interview, this time in person. Caserio has interviewed Culley and Frazier twice. Caldwell once and Caldwell with the search committee before. I don’t know. I can’t imagine they’d waste Culley’s time on flying in if they didn’t like him a lot.

Chance David Culley works for Frazier?

I don’t know why they need to interview Culley a 2nd time since he and Frazier know each other very well, if they wanted him to be an assistant. People respect him. I think Tim Kelly will be back as play caller. There’s always room for assistant head coaches. I hope they keep Romeo Crennel. He’s a great guy to have around. Knowledge, expertise, experience, doesn’t backstab or talk behind people’s backs. Not many have the universal respect Romeo has.

Value of Tim Kelly if Watson is traded?

He helped Watson have the best season of his career. Watson loves the guy but he also spoke up for Bill O’Brien as well.

Would Culley take a lateral move?

Would they let him out of his contract? We don’t know that. If he came here, he wouldn’t be calling plays. No idea what the Ravens would allow him to do.

How involved is Jack Easterby in the coach process?

No idea because I’m not involved but they interviewed McCown and Easterby is a big McCown guy. The fact they interviewed him, I guarantee that was all Jack Easterby.

Will he be on the next staff?

Has one year left on his deal. He’ll be here, if not as a player, yes on staff.

Doesn’t that hamstring the next coach?

3 different coaches started putting together staffs. Bieniemy, Caldwell and Frazier. You have to reach out to people. I don’t think they said you have to keep Tim Kelly. I think they explained the situation with Watson and if it was a deal breaker, they wouldn’t be coming back for 2nd interviews.

If Cal McNair called you and said I want you to be in charge. With Caserio as GM, Bill O’Brien as HC or Jack in his current role?

Bill O’Brien. If I was Cal, I would have told Jack however much I owe you, we’ll let you resign. You shouldn’t, we shouldn’t, Nick shouldn’t have to put up with all this criticism. Let him resign, have Bill and after Jack left, fire Bill and hire a new coach.

Bieniemy?

I have no idea. By the rules, he could have interviewed Monday. As far as I know, they didn’t interview him. It’s telling they brought back those others for 2nd interviews in persons and didn’t reach out for another with Bieniemy. I’ve been saying for a week I won’t be surprised if it’s Frazier. Others think it’s Caldwell. A lot still holding out hope for Bieniemy. Surprised when they brought in Culley for a 2nd. Hopefully they get it wrapped up this week.

This week, which would eliminate Bieniemy.

This week, yeah. If Frazier had won, they would wait and interview him again. I’m like you guys, want to get moving, see the staff and focus on Watson.

Sales pitch for Frazier over Bieniemy and the other guys?

No clue because I have no idea what went on in the meetings. If it’s Frazier, I’m sure they’ll say he deserved a 2nd chance, did a great job with Buffalo, respected around the league. I’m sure they won’t say this but defense needs an overhaul. Gotta decide what they’ll do with Watt. If they do move on, that’ll wipe out their cap problem plus gives them several more million and will have a lot of money to spend because they’ll be getting rid of some guys. Ordinarily you do anyways but with a new GM, new coach, they’ll end up changing probably 45% of the roster. They can say Frazier is a defensive coach.

What do we know about this search that listeners need to know?

Interviewed 9 people. McCown was a waste of time, so 8. People with 2nd interviews are most serious. Wrote I thought it came down to four. Frazier, Bieniemy, Eberflus and Caldwell. Did not put David Culley in there. Now has to be down to Frazier, Culley, and Caldwell.

Is Jack Easterby pulling the strings?

Absolutely not. Caserio has it in his contract he makes these decisions.

But he hasn’t. McCown was Easterby.

Easterby recommended him and Caserio interviewed him. Will Easterby stay in his lane? No. His lanes keep spreading out, like the freeway. He’s getting involved in business operations. Jamey Rootes I don’t think will be back. Easterby, as director of football operations, every director of football operations makes suggestions and gets involved on the football side but if Caserio doesn’t want to interview someone, he won’t. Caserio on game days with the Patriots sat in the press box and communicated with Belichick and McDaniels. He’s seen Frazier’s defense. He must respect the job Frazier has done to bring him back for a 2nd interview.

Yes, Caserio can have final say but doesn’t mean Easterby isn’t really making the decision. Would you agree with that?

Absolutely not. They have great respect for Caserio and his personality. He’s not being manipulated about what he’s doing over there. I’d be shocked. Easterby signed McCown. Easterby loves the guy.

How confident would you be in the way things are being orchestrated at the top?

Not confident at all but want to see the way it plays out. QB wants out, big decision on Watt, roster makeover coming, trying to hire a HC, if it’s not Bieniemy, people won’t be excited. They have to prove themselves. Caserio has never been a GM. It’ll be more than a year before we know about Caserio. If they get a HC and can convince Watson to stay, I’ll feel better about Caserio and new HC than I do right now.

What would a Watson trade look like?

Gonna have to pay a hell of a lot more than two ones. Two ones the next two years, two twos and ask for more high picks or their two best defensive players (Quinnen Williams and Marcus Maye). It’d have to be with the Jets. After Lawrence, according to draft experts, looks like a good QB draft. Of course you’d have to pick the right one. Next year, they’re saying it doesn’t look that good. Zach Wilson, Justin Fields, maaaybe Trey Lance.

Is there a Woody Johnson factor here? He loves big splashy moves and will overpay.

They better deal with the Jets. They’re #2 and you cant deal with anyone else and be guaranteed getting the 2nd QB in the draft behind Lawrence. Woody Johnson coming back might want to make a big splash. All I know is they better get more than Bud Adams got when he traded the rights to Joe Namath.
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ClemsonTexan said:
The Washington Football Team has been rebuilding since our last Super Bowl in 1992. It's really not that hard. You just hire a few HOF head coaches, acquire a slew of first round draft picks, and spend like crazy on free agents. It's a guaranteed path to success! The Texans, too, may one day win their division with a 7-9 record.

Feels like this was just yesterday. Rivera will be the man to lead us back to glory! Before that it was Gruden. Before that it was Shanahan. Not going to count Zorn. Before that it was Gibbs. Before that it was The Visor. Before that it was Marty. Point is, if you keep drafting in the first round and hiring lots of head coaches and GMs, you're bound to win a SB one day. Right?

Right?

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The one common denominator where WFT has a consistent pattern of behavior and management that has been very good at producing average, ordinary and disappointing football is Daniel Snyder.
 
Max said:
That's what Caserio needs to factor and I'm relying on you draft guys input on my take that we should consider trading Watson. If Zach Wilson projects like Joe Burrow and he feels like we can land him with the 2nd or 3rd pick, I get what I can from Miami or the Jets rather than having Watson sit out. If Wilson or anyone else isn't at a Burrow/Herbert level, then I play hardball with Watson.
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Thats what I'm curious about to. I don't really watch college and all I've heard about for 2 years now is Lawrence. Is there a QB in this draft or even next year's draft that looks to be worth if not tanking for then aiming for? If yes then I might be more willing to deal Watson but if no then you make him play.
 
Which NFL Team Can Make the Best ‘Godfather’ Offer for Deshaun Watson?
So let’s pretend that this bidding war gets out of control. Which NFL team has enough to put together a package the Texans simply can’t refuse? Using Chase Stuart’s NFL draft value chart to compare first- and second-round draft picks over the next two seasons, there are three teams—the Jets, Dolphins, and Jaguars—that stand alone with enormous treasure chests of assets. Here’s how their potential offers could compare:

Jets

Draft capital:
  • No. 2 overall pick
  • No. 23 overall pick (via Seahawks)
  • No. 34 overall pick
  • 2022 first-round pick
  • 2022 first-round pick (via Seahawks)
  • 2022 second-round pick
Total value: 103.7

Dolphins

Draft capital:
  • No. 3 overall pick (via Texans)
  • No. 18 overall pick
  • No. 36 overall pick (via Texans)
  • No. 50 overall pick
  • 2022 first-round pick
  • 2022 second-round pick
Total value: 93.7

Jaguars

Draft capital:
  • No. 1 overall pick
  • No. 25 overall pick (via Rams)
  • No. 33 overall pick
  • No. 45 overall pick (via Vikings)
  • 2022 first-round pick
  • 2022 second-round pick
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If nothing else it makes the draft fun again..
 
maverick512000 said:
Thats what I'm curious about to. I don't really watch college and all I've heard about for 2 years now is Lawrence. Is there a QB in this draft or even next year's draft that looks to be worth if not tanking for then aiming for? If yes then I might be more willing to deal Watson but if no then you make him play.
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May just be me but I think Wilson has as much of a ceiling as Trevor Lawrence. TL has just gone against other major schools In a larger spotlight.
 
badboy said:
May just be me but I think Wilson has as much of a ceiling as Trevor Lawrence. TL has just gone against other major schools In a larger spotlight.
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So in your opinion how much of the Lawrence hype is justified and how much is the championship machine that Dabo has turned Clemson into?
 
maverick512000 said:
So in your opinion how much of the Lawrence hype is justified and how much is the championship machine that Dabo has turned Clemson into?
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Some sites like PFF stated that Lawrence had tested higher than any quarterback since they began PFF evaluation. Watching him for 2 years I rate him higher than Burrows And Tua tag. Of course a great offensive line and out of this world wide receivers help any quarterback. Having said that the quarterback still has to get the ball In the Target area of that wide receiver. TL can make all the throws from shallow to Deep in all zones of the field. He is the real deal in my opinion. Having said that I do think Zach Wilson can be just as good. Neither the Jags or the Texans can afford to allow the quarterback to sit and adjust to the NFL.
 
Houston should do everything they can to make him happy and convince him to stay. If you're gonna' deal him because he's forcing his way out, I'm not sure you get max value.
 
maverick512000 said:
Thats what I'm curious about to. I don't really watch college and all I've heard about for 2 years now is Lawrence. Is there a QB in this draft or even next year's draft that looks to be worth if not tanking for then aiming for? If yes then I might be more willing to deal Watson but if no then you make him play.
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Zack Wilson was great this yr and showed off Mahomes type arm talent. Unfortunately the schedule he played against was weak. He does have talent, arm/ movement skills/seems to throw guys open etc... But with the level of competition who knows. Steve Young thinks he's going to be the next great young QB.
 
Texian said:
If you're going to play in Texas you've to have fiddle and a minimum of (4) 1st RD draft picks. It comes down to this;

Jets trade Jamal Adams value and Jets (2) 1st RD draft picks OR watch DW4 as a Dolphin.
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Did you have their 2nd pick in mind when you said (4) 1sts? The Jamal Adams haul doesn't even value out at the Jet's 2nd overall this year. There 2nd overall is actually valued at the Jamal Adams haul (2 firsts and a 3rd) plus another 1st round pick in the 15-25 range (totaling (3) 1sts and a 3rd).
 
Max said:
Did you have their 2nd pick in mind when you said (4) 1sts? The Jamal Adams haul doesn't even value out at the Jet's 2nd overall this year. There 2nd overall is actually valued at the Jamal Adams haul (2 firsts and a 3rd) plus another 1st round pick in the 15-25 range (totaling (3) 1sts and a 3rd).
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Seahawks sent the Jets first and third-round picks in this year's draft, a first-rounder in 2022.

1.2 and 1.23 in 1st RD, JETS 3rd RD pick in 2021 and Jets (2) 1st RD picks in 2022.
 
Texian said:
If you're going to play in Texas you've to have fiddle and a minimum of (4) 1st RD draft picks. It comes down to this;

Jets trade Jamal Adams value and Jets (2) 1st RD draft picks OR watch DW4 as a Dolphin.
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I have elite top five QB at 4 to 1 over an elite safety and 3 to one over elite corner in value.
 
The prospect of getting 3 first rounders plus more would be exiting. The thing is I don't know whether its a good thing to have all that draft capital based on our drafting history.
 
steelbtexan said:
He's one of the things that needs to change.

Cant have a fresh start with RAC/Kelly here.
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That doesn't change the message of DW's tweet though..

'Some things' need to change.. not all things.

You may disagree with the 'things', and that's fair, but it was his opinion to begin on there being those 'some' things.
 
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