No, how many QBs total over the past 26 years have exceeded 13.2% of their teams salary cap. You look it up, you're making the claim.
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If Lucky is accusing you being wrong, that your data is wrong then the onus is on him to prove just that. His Google works just as well as yours.
Not gonna play your little games.
What I've stated is fact. If you want to know the answer you can look it up. I gave you 3 from this yr off of the top of my head. You're crazy if you think I'm going to spend the time researching 26 yrs of data unless you want to pay me $100 an hr in which case I will gladly provide the data you're seeking.
maverick512000
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NFL quarterback contracts: QBs with biggest salary cap hit have had zero NFL playoff success over past decade
Having a quarterback with a big cap hit has been a kiss of death in the NFL over the past decade
www.cbssports.com
The Curse of a Salary-Cap-Eating Quarterback
Big-money quarterbacks like Kirk Cousins, Matt Ryan, and Aaron Rodgers are sitting at home during the playoffs, while the Rams, Chiefs, and Texans have built contenders around young starters still on their rookie deals. The lesson is obvious if NFL teams pay attention.
www.theringer.com
From the second link
“The only team to win the Super Bowl while having its two highest-paid players make more than 21.6 percent of the salary cap is the 49ers in 1994 with Steve Young and Jerry Rice.”
Steve Young’s cap hit in 94 was 13.1. Hence the data that no team has won with a QB making 13.2 or more.
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From the 2nd articleNFL quarterback contracts: QBs with biggest salary cap hit have had zero NFL playoff success over past decade
Having a quarterback with a big cap hit has been a kiss of death in the NFL over the past decade
The Curse of a Salary-Cap-Eating Quarterback
Big-money quarterbacks like Kirk Cousins, Matt Ryan, and Aaron Rodgers are sitting at home during the playoffs, while the Rams, Chiefs, and Texans have built contenders around young starters still on their rookie deals. The lesson is obvious if NFL teams pay attention.
From the same time article
So the Chargers, Colts, & Ravens should have been in the last three AFCCGs... but they weren't.
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maverick512000
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From the 2nd article
Your point? When that article was written we technically were contenders, at least in the playoffs, and Watson was on a rookie contract.
What you’ve stated is wrong. Had you done your own research, you would know you’re wrong.
The Denver Broncos were the Super Bowl champs in 2015. Peyton Manning accounted for $19 million against the salary cap. The salary cap for 2015 was $143.28 mIllion. $19 million is 13.26% of the salary cap. 13.26% is more than 13.2%.
And that’s how someone (not you) came up with the mythical 13.2. Looked up the championship QBs, found the one with the highest % of the cap, and made the claim that it’s impossible to win a championship with a higher %.
Except they forgot to round up. A completely fabricated argument. It’s foolish to continue to repeat it.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
The statement could be true, but that percentage will move unless that salary cap increases at the same rate QB salaries increase. There are a couple of possibilities that could offset that.
All Super Bowls will be won with either a mediocre QB, a QB on a rookie deal or an older QB who has already made substantial money and chasing a title (even if he has won a title before). This may not be an accurate tool but it's a start
NFL Quarterback Spending - Cap
A real-time look at how NFL teams are spending their 2020 cap dollars on Quarterbacks.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
I still can't bring myself to think that the Texans would benefit by trading Watson. Even with trading him to the Jets/Dolphins or whomever, where is the history to give the fans confidence that they could take those assets and build a championship caliber team. Plus instead of concentrating on QB cap percentages, take a look at the caliber of QBs who have won a SB over the last 20 years. I bet the percentage of SBs won by a medicre QB is insanely low, I can only think of Nick Foles, Joe Flacco and Brad Johnson off the top of my head. All the rest will be in the HOF.
Nope I read somewhere Steve Young set the bar a 13,2 back in 1994. But if you want to look petty and split hairs ove .006 then be my guest. You won this debate and my point still stands. There will be no championships.
You want them to wallow around in mediocrity rather than take a chance on putting together a championship team? I mean they were 4-12 with DW4 last yr. It cant get much worse than that and yes despite the narrative around these parts, DW4 contributed to 4-12.
From the 2nd article
From the same time article
So the Chargers, Colts, & Ravens should have been in the last three AFCCGs... but they weren't.
Correct other teams with QB's that made below the threshold like Mahomes were in those games.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
Understood, but what has the team (management and coaching) done to field a good product. If I'm looking at 21 starters (outside of Watson), how many of those can you honestly say is worth a piece of used toilet paper.
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The Texans are in a NO WIN situation with Watson. In 2021 they're $20MM over the cap. They will have to cut several starters just to get to breakeven. Therefore the Texans team/roster will be worse in 2021 than it was in their 4 -12, 2020 season. The Texans start the 2022 season with only 32 players under contract AND ONLY $43MM under the cap (a league worst). To put that in perspective the Colts are $155MM under the 2022 perspective salary cap with 24 active contracts; the Jaguars are $121MM under the 2022 cap with 40 active contracts.
The Texans have no 1st or 2nd rd picks in 2021. Draft classes take on avg 2 -3 years to mature. By all accounts the Texans with Watson will not be competitive again until 2023 to 2024 at the earliest. It's going to be 2020 around here for the next 3 to 4 years at a minimum. Trading Watson clears the slate and fixes the salary cap and draft pick problems. If the Texans roll the dice on Fields or Wilson and come up with a winner they will be better off. If they roll snake eyes then they are back to where they started. Regardless of whether DW4 stays or goes, Cal, Caserio and Easterby will all be here for the next 5 years and there lies the real problem for the Houston Texans.
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KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
I get what you're saying but the Texans made the mess not Watson. I want you to ask yourself this: if there was no media circus around Jack Easterby and Watson is still supportive of the management would the Texans consider trading Watson? I suspect the answer would be no and the cap situation would still exist. The team's ability to manage the salary cap is their responsibility and if that means trading your star QB then the Texans management is irresponsible and incompetent.
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Pretty much what @steelbtexan, myself and Lord Bills have been saying for over 10 years.
The incompetency of the Texans management may have been lacking for years. But, it has reached epic proportions in the last 2 years. This is different.
My point is not paying your quarterback mega millions isn’t any more a guarantee your team will win a Super Bowl.
regardless, even if itdoes prove true we won’t win a Super Bowl paying Watson 13.2% of the cap. Our chances of getting to the Super Bowl is better with him.
Is there a stat out there that no team has reached a Super Bowl with a QB counting for 13.2% of the cap?
If Watson leaves, we’re the new Lions/Browns. Watson stays & we’re the perennial playoff team that never wins the Super Bowl.
The Colts don't have a QB. That's why they are under the cap and that's why they aren't relevant in contending. The Jaguars will soon have a QB. By the time they are ready to contend, their QB and many of their high draft picks will be ready for their 2nd, big $$$, contracts. That's how the NFL works.
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2022 is going to be worse than 2021. As bad as the cap situation is in 2021 it is worse in 2022. 2021 and 2022 teams will be a mere shadow of the 4-12 2020 team. Plus building through the draft has been seriously compromised. Compounded by free agents being reluctant to come to the hell hole known as the Houston Texans. Now you're at a point where you're expecting Cal, Caserio and Easterby to make the Texans competitive by 2023 or 2024, good luck with that.
Can you elaborate? Saying it doesn't make it so.
Cheap bastids... they’ll never win a Super Bowl without splurging on degenerate goons.
Thank you for explaining that in nice easy to understand phrases.
Most teams have to live with the fact that they won’t win a Super Bowl & have their hearts broken year after year.
But with your testimony I know now we won’t win a Super Bowl in 2021 or 2022. Most likely won’t win 4 games.
So if the Texans win 5 games in either year, I’ll be ecstatic knowing the odds they overcame.
So if something doesn’t happen 26 times in a row it can never happen? Once a bar is set it can’t be overcome?
maverick512000
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Nope, Manning took a salary cut before the season started. His base salary was reduced from 19 million to 15 million and then there was 2.5 in bonuses for a total of 17.5 wich is 12.2% of the cap.
Peyton Manning agrees to restructured Broncos contract
Manning takes $4 million pay cut from Broncos.
www.google.com
I dont get why people are arguing about this. The math is the math and you can spin it anyway you want but its still fact.
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Texian
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Doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results is the definition of insanity. An exercise the Texans have perfected rather well over the years. Cal is Charlie Brown and every chance he gets to kick Lucy's football, he will.
Why? Because the guy you like may be getting traded and wants out?
Report: Deshaun Watson prefers Jets over Dolphins
It's been suggested that Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson wants to play for the Dolphins.
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
You know things are bad when your QB demands a trade to the Jets. This is getting comical. I’m starting to lose any admiration that I had for Watson.
Report: Deshaun Watson prefers Jets over Dolphins
It's been suggested that Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson wants to play for the Dolphins.
You know things are bad when your QB demands a trade to the Jets. This is getting comical. I’m starting to lose any admiration that I had for Watson.
From your link
Report: Deshaun Watson prefers Jets over Dolphins
It's been suggested that Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson wants to play for the Dolphins.
You know things are bad when your QB demands a trade to the Jets. This is getting comical. I’m starting to lose any admiration that I had for Watson.
You shouldn't have any admiration for the guy. He got paid and it went to his head. Truth is His aspiring model GF is pushing for him to go to NY.
Good riddance and dont let the door hit you on the way out.
BTW, How long until he tears an ACL again?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
With each new season comes the opportunity to rewrite history. There's a new financial market for QB's coming in 2022....b/c that's when the new contract numbers kick in.
Well. His problem with the Texans isn’t about management if the Jets are at the top of his list.Report: Deshaun Watson prefers Jets over Dolphins
It's been suggested that Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson wants to play for the Dolphins.
You know things are bad when your QB demands a trade to the Jets. This is getting comical. I’m starting to lose any admiration that I had for Watson.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Nope, Manning took a salary cut before the season started. His base salary was reduced from 19 million to 15 million and then there was 2.5 in bonuses for a total of 17.5 wich is 12.2% of the cap.
Peyton Manning agrees to restructured Broncos contract
Manning takes $4 million pay cut from Broncos.www.google.com
I dont get why people are arguing about this. The math is the math and you can spin it anyway you want but its still fact.
If Watson remains with the Texans......does no one think that Caserio and Watson are incapable of sitting down and re-structuring his contract by adding additional years and lowering the annual cap hit in the process? By the way, this wouldn't be a first time move since many QB's and higher paid position players have been willing to play ball with their teams in order to keep them competitive. I believe Watson would do the same thing if the organization is moving in the right direction.
QB's in the last 10 years to hit or exceed 15% of the cap..
I guess everything is like posting a link. If it hasn't happened, it will never happen.
whodknee
Working Class Hero
I never thought a Jack Easterby could "Happen" But it did
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so yall are like draft a rookie qb keep him for 5 years and never pay him draft another qb year 5 rinse and repete ..???
has any team been doing that recently ..????
u wanna win a bunch of SB i guess mimic what brady did thats something hes not on that list what was his cap hit for the past like 15 years ..???
has any team been doing that recently ..????
u wanna win a bunch of SB i guess mimic what brady did thats something hes not on that list what was his cap hit for the past like 15 years ..???
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Wtf suggested that?
Been skimming around (one of) the Jets' message boards and they naturally have Deshaun hysteria atm.
That said, all of their trade proposals are complete lowball.
Maybe see what y'all think.. https://forums.jetnation.com/forum/5-new-york-jets-message-board/
That said, all of their trade proposals are complete lowball.
Maybe see what y'all think.. https://forums.jetnation.com/forum/5-new-york-jets-message-board/
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that article i guess some people think paying your QB you drafted is a bad idea
Dallas is doing something like that right now the still havent payed dak
Texian
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This too was also predicted to happen. Cal would be a major Fuster Cluck compared to Bob.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Who did Dallas draft after dak?
I think it sounds - in a completely out-there experimental way - pretty intriguing.
Not suggesting the Texans do so or that it would even ultimately work, just that I'd honestly enjoy seeing the results of a team attempting to do so.
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what im saying is dallas might choose to just not pay dak and let him walk and i guess draft another qb or get a Vet in Free agency
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
How does that pertain to the texans getting better?
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bro texans are not getting better anytime soon this going to be a 5 year rebuild at least ....
if watson is has good has he think he is then hes going to have to carry this soon to be very young team on his back
whodknee
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Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
Sources: The #Lions and Matthew Stafford have mutually agreed to part ways this offseason and the team will begin exploring trade options in the coming weeks for their star QB.
Was Detroit on the "List"
We don’t even know if that has happened. There are two things that I know had nothing to do with Easterby that he keeps getting blamed for. AAFAIC he had nothing to do with all the other things he’s getting blamed for.
I know he negotiated a wave of “bad” contracts. He should get fired for that alone. But Cal wants to keep him around for some reason. Most likely, & this is jmo, to lure Caserio out of New England.
Andre Johnson was around the players and coaches. He had an inside look. In your opinion, what was he blaming Easterby for?