Should we trade Watson?

[Blinders]

How many free agents would want to go to New York Jets with DeShaun Watson. Do you realize that in 2022 the Jazz have 136 million-dollar cap space

If we learn anything from the past teams that have been successful you do not win by acquiring high priced free agents. If the Jets acquire him who is gonna go running to a 2-14 team who just acquired him. Watson is a young talented QB already who has not won anything but on a huge contract.
Sure guys will come for the money but not the ones who truly want to win
Do you think Robinson from Chicago goes there? He’s been on a mediocre team as it is. He will want to go to a playoff team. The jets have many holes to fill on both sides of the ball there was a reason why they were 2-14. Success in the NFL comes from high picks who turn good and are on rookie contracts

 

[steelbtexan]

If you get to the point that you think Cal is the issue and you don't think you can win a championship under his leadership. If you are a player, what would you do?

For 156 mil I would talk to Cuck privately and not through cryptic tweets or rap lyrics. It probably wont happen but you're d***ed right if you think I want his azz out of here and a boatload of draft picks to properly rebuild this franchise. Finally the toilet will be flushed on the RS regime. Well that and trading JJ, which I'm also fully on board with. Next offseason would be the time to flush the toilet a 2nd time on the RS regime whoosh there goes Mercilus/Cunningham. Just like that you've got cap space and draft picks to rebuild the team.

 

[TxnsJuggernaut1]

How many free agents would want to go to New York Jets with DeShaun Watson. Do you realize that in 2022 the Jazz have 136 million-dollar cap space

I was unware of the Jets cap space. That may help some but you can't beat early draft picks.

Personally I would like to see us trade DW4 to the Dolphins. I think they are the perfect fit for DW4 and trading him there gets us our pick back and plus some other high picks.

 

[steelbtexan]

If we learn anything from the past teams that have been successful you do not win by acquiring high priced free agents. If the Jets acquire him who is gonna go running to a 2-14 team who just acquired him. Watson is a young talented QB already who has not won anything but on a huge contract.
Sure guys will come for the money but not the ones who truly want to win
Do you think Robinson from Chicago goes there? He’s been on a mediocre team as it is. He will want to go to a playoff team. The jets have many holes to fill on both sides of the ball there was a reason why they were 2-14. Success in the NFL comes from high picks who turn good and are on rookie contracts

Success in the NFL comes from a combination of draft/FA/Trades. Look at Tampa Bay/Chiefs or Buffalo as examples.

 

[TxnsJuggernaut1]

For 156 mil I would talk to Cuck privately and not through cryptic tweets or rap lyrics. It probably wont happen but you're d***ed right if you think I want his azz out of here and a boatload of draft picks to properly rebuild this franchise. Finally the toilet will be flushed on the RS regime. Well that and trading JJ, which I'm also fully on board with. Next offseason would be the time to flush the toilet a 2nd time on the RS regime whoosh there goes Mercilus/Cunningham. Just like that you've got cap space and draft picks to rebuild the team.

We saw how quickly Jimmy Johnson and the one win Dallas Cowboys turned their fortunes around with the haul they got from trading Herschel Walker. You can't beat a boat load of early draft picks and a GM that knows what he is doing.

 

[steelbtexan]

We saw how quickly Jimmy Johnson and the one win Dallas Cowboys turned their fortunes around with the haul they got from trading Herschel Walker. You can't beat a boat load of early draft picks.

You've gotta hit on those picks though.

Plus do some horse trading with those picks.

The opportunity is there to have a really solid franchise in 3-4 yrs. Versus more of the same old same old.

 

[badboy]

Well, if you're someone like Merciless, you take a paycheck and coast. That is what I think happened with a lot of Texans players this season. Watson, to his credit, was not one of those players. But he may become one. I hope he doesn't because quite frankly, he's one of only a handful of players on this team that I think has been willing (up to this point) to put in the effort that it takes to become a champion. Regrettably, the most notable of the "effort" players on this team has likely played his last game as a Texans. Watt had his faults, but not trying was never one of them.

We're debating whether Watson should be traded and for how much in return. When in reality, you could replace him with any number of prospects or players and not a damn thing will change until the culture of laziness is eradicated out of this team. When a defense anchored by Watt looks like they hung up their cleats before the season even started, you should know something is seriously amiss. It's systemic. And it starts from the top.

Well that's what we hope the new head coach will do whoever he turns out to be. I agree with you specially about Mercilus.

 

[TxnsJuggernaut1]

You've gotta hit on those picks though.

Plus do some horse trading with those picks.

The opportunity is there to have a really solid franchise in 3-4 yrs. Versus more of the same old same old.

I think we could improve our fortunes quite a bit in only two years.

 

[Texian]

If Watson goes to Jets or Dolphins does he take Timmy with him? If you think yes will Lassie follow Timmy? Sorry just had to go there!

IDK I'm just so happy we get to have these same conversations over and over again for the next 3 months. Really looking forward to it! (sarcasm)

 

[TxnsJuggernaut1]

You've gotta hit on those picks though.

Thus having a knowledgable GM and the same with a head coach if the head coach is to have any input.

 

[Blinders]

Success in the NFL comes from a combination of draft/FA/Trades. Look at Tampa Bay/Chiefs or Buffalo as examples.

Agree it’s a little of everything. The teams you mention are set up already to win and need a few pieces unlike Houston or the Jets with all this trade talk. But I personally feel you build through the draft and have control for the 5 yr avg rookie contract. Problem is many teams hold onto players and overpay. Teams like NE rarely does that. Look at Dallas gave Zeke crazy money and now Dak wants 40 a year lol

Tampa is not the norm in my opinion. The FA acquisitions were all Brady in my opinion
You think AB Gronk Suh Fournette go there for Jameis Winston ? And JPP resigning also
They went because the guy with 6 rings went there


Buffalo was a playoff team last year and acquired Diggs yes but took that 5 yr 75 mil too and got Norman for a year They didn’t need a lot of pieces like Houston or Jets
Vikings got rookie Jefferson with the pick and may be a home run for them
Think that trade worked for both teams
Im not up on Chiefs FA acq or trades recently but they are stacked

 

[Thorn]

IDK I'm just so happy we get to have these same conversations over and over again for the next 3 months. Really looking forward to it!

 

[badboy]

If we learn anything from the past teams that have been successful you do not win by acquiring high priced free agents. If the Jets acquire him who is gonna go running to a 2-14 team who just acquired him. Watson is a young talented QB already who has not won anything but on a huge contract.
Sure guys will come for the money but not the ones who truly want to win
Do you think Robinson from Chicago goes there? He’s been on a mediocre team as it is. He will want to go to a playoff team. The jets have many holes to fill on both sides of the ball there was a reason why they were 2-14. Success in the NFL comes from high picks who turn good and are on rookie contracts

Evidently you have not been keeping up with the salary cap issue for this offseason allegedly dumping many high priced vets into the free-agent Market as teams will not be able to meet the cap requirement. Those new free agents will be scrambling to find contracts with other team for greatly reduced amounts of money. It will not be the usual for most Of these veterans. Watson won division championships 2018 and 2019.

As to your other question in a different post about what other package here is my proposal which I have posted on this message board:

Jets get Watson, Tunsil, Nick Martin, Coutee and Mercilus who would all have more significance on Jets than here.

Texans get: LT Mekhi Becton, Quinnen Williams, 2021 1.2 + 1.23 +2.34; 2022 1.8 and 1.27.

Talk to Watson before the trade and if he is okay with becton as his bodyguard then we keep Tunsil and trade him for a prime first round such as the LA Chargers at number 13

 

[Blinders]

Evidently you have not been keeping up with the salary cap issue for this offseason allegedly dumping many high priced vets into the free-agent Market as teams will not be able to meet the cap requirement. Those new free agents will be scrambling to find contracts with other team for greatly reduced amounts of money. It will not be the usual for most Of these veterans. Watson won division championships 2018 and 2019.

As to your other question in a different post about what other package here is my proposal which I have posted on this message board:

Jets get Watson, Tunsil, Nick Martin, Coutee and Mercilus who would all have more significance on Jets than here.

Texans get: LT Mekhi Becton, Quinnen Williams, 2021 1.2 + 1.23 +2.34; 2022 1.8 and 1.27.

Talk to Watson before the trade and if he is okay with becton as his bodyguard then we keep Tunsil and trade him for a prime first round such as the LA Chargers at number 13

Yes I agree I’m not well versed in the cap. Heard 175 next season who knows if that changes. :
Im in agreement with you if Houston can fleece another team great if not keep Watson and try to rebuild he’s only 25 might take a few years but look what miami has done in a year and a half. Winning Division championship does not mean a lot aka Washington this year division champs losing record
Its winning playoff games and making a run like Buffalo last year now this year in AFC championship game.
Just don’t want him to go we shall see I guess

 

[Corrosion]

If I’m not convinced that Caserio & I can work together in spite of Cal, then I’m going to request a trade to SF49ers, Vikings, Eagles, New England, New Orleans, or the Rams.

And if you are Caserio and Watson tells you he wants out and only to those teams , what do you tell him ?

I tell him no.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Evidently you have not been keeping up with the salary cap issue for this offseason allegedly dumping many high priced vets into the free-agent Market as teams will not be able to meet the cap requirement. Those new free agents will be scrambling to find contracts with other team for greatly reduced amounts of money. It will not be the usual for most Of these veterans. Watson won division championships 2018 and 2019.

As to your other question in a different post about what other package here is my proposal which I have posted on this message board:

Jets get Watson, Tunsil, Nick Martin, Coutee and Mercilus who would all have more significance on Jets than here.

Texans get: LT Mekhi Becton, Quinnen Williams, 2021 1.2 + 1.23 +2.34; 2022 1.8 and 1.27.

Talk to Watson before the trade and if he is okay with becton as his bodyguard then we keep Tunsil and trade him for a prime first round such as the LA Chargers at number 13

Are suggesting that trade hoping NY would actually do it or knowing that they wouldn't?

 

[badboy]

I was unware of the Jets cap space. That may help some but you can't beat early draft picks.

Personally I would like to see us trade DW4 to the Dolphins. I think they are the perfect fit for DW4 and trading him there gets us our pick back and plus some other high picks.

It would have to be a combination of draft picks and free agents. Most mocks continues to show Justin Fields going to the Jets at 1.2 with Zach going to Miami even with Tua tag still in Miami. If that were to hold true I might go with the dolphins. Remember you also have to look at any draft picks in 2022 and decide whether the nine and seven dolphins with DeShaun Watson will give you better pics then than would the 22 New York Jets with the Deshaun. I have read more than one report predicting that a Watson led Miami roster in 2022 would be Super Bowl contenders. Not so the ' 22 New York Jets with Deshaun at helm.

 

[DocBar]

Evidently you have not been keeping up with the salary cap issue for this offseason allegedly dumping many high priced vets into the free-agent Market as teams will not be able to meet the cap requirement. Those new free agents will be scrambling to find contracts with other team for greatly reduced amounts of money. It will not be the usual for most Of these veterans. Watson won division championships 2018 and 2019.

As to your other question in a different post about what other package here is my proposal which I have posted on this message board:

Jets get Watson, Tunsil, Nick Martin, Coutee and Mercilus who would all have more significance on Jets than here.

Texans get: LT Mekhi Becton, Quinnen Williams, 2021 1.2 + 1.23 +2.34; 2022 1.8 and 1.27.

Talk to Watson before the trade and if he is okay with becton as his bodyguard then we keep Tunsil and trade him for a prime first round such as the LA Chargers at number 13

How do you know who is picking where in 2022? Ain't no way I'm letting Tunsil AND Watson go. Franchise LTs are damn near as hard as franchise QBs are to find.
Besides, did the Jets hire OB out from under Nick Saban and name him GM? No way are they making that trade.

 

[badboy]

Yes I agree I’m not well versed in the cap. Heard 175 next season who knows if that changes. :
Im in agreement with you if Houston can fleece another team great if not keep Watson and try to rebuild he’s only 25 might take a few years but look what miami has done in a year and a half. Winning Division championship does not mean a lot aka Washington this year division champs losing record
Its winning playoff games and making a run like Buffalo last year now this year in AFC championship game.
Just don’t want him to go we shall see I guess

Division championship are mundane if you have them. From what you said you should be able to see why the Jets and dolphins should be willing to give much more to get to the next step. Dolphins final four of the NFL in 2021 and NYJ to playoffs. That is why all the fans who are blogging, tweeting Etc are willing to give whatever it takes to bring our number four to their City.

Blinders, not attacking you but it seems to me you have come in to the thread towards the end. Perhaps you could go back and read from the original post and maybe some of the other threads dealing with the Texans. Glad you're here bro and look forward to discussing the Texans with you in the future!

 

[badboy]

How do you know who is picking where in 2022? Ain't no way I'm letting Tunsil AND Watson go. Franchise LTs are damn near as hard as franchise QBs are to find.
Besides, did the Jets hire OB out from under Nick Saban and name him GM? No way are they making that trade.

Well from your post it appears you only read the bolded points. Do You know who left tackle Mekhi Becton is or anything about him? My post that you quoted was to receive him back in trade. He is definitely not Tunsil but he will be a starting left tackle who would absolutely protect Zach and he did well for the Dolphins at that position before his injury.

How do you know anything that happens in the future? You base it on the information you have and look at other people's point of view. Tunsil is one of our players who has a huge cap hit and can be replaced either by becton or by a drafted player in 21. We are going nowhere in the next two years with tunsil and DeShaun Watson. Most people agree with that. Not only would we be wasting the next 2 years for those players but also sucking up their tremendous cap space hits.

Just me but I don't like to sit on my hands and hope things get better without obvious reasons why they will. I would rather go out and take a swing with a bat Even if I miss.

 

[thunderkyss]

And if you are Caserio and Watson tells you he wants out and only to those teams , what do you tell him ?

I tell him no.

Right. The question was if I were Watson & was convinced Cal was the problem what would I do.

that question was asked because I said I wouldn’t be pushing for a trade to Miami or NYJets.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Jets get:

Deshaun Watson
Whitney Mercilus

Texans get:

2021 1.2
2021 1.23
2021 2.34
2021 5th
2022 1st
2022 3rd
DT Quinnen Williams

This leave the Jets with..

2 3rd's, a 4th, a 5th, and a 7th in 2021

a 1st, a 2nd, 2 5th's, and 3 6th's in 2022

And they still have plenty of cap space to fill gaps in FA.

Sh*t costs money.

 

[Blinders]

Division championship are mundane if you have them. From what you said you should be able to see why the Jets and dolphins should be willing to give much more to get to the next step. Dolphins final four of the NFL in 2021 and NYJ to playoffs. That is why all the fans who are blogging, tweeting Etc are willing to give whatever it takes to bring our number four to their City.

Blinders, not attacking you but it seems to me you have come in to the thread towards the end. Perhaps you could go back and read from the original post and maybe some of the other threads dealing with the Texans. Glad you're here bro and look forward to discussing the Texans with you in the future!

Maybe mundane winning AFC east for the Patriots. Yes Surely not Houston
Do you really feel the Dolphins by just adding Watson go to AFC championship ?
I don’t see that at all. They didn’t even make the playoffs with 7 teams in each conference now .
And I can’t see a 2-14 Jets team who adds Watson go to the playoffs
just my opinion.
As we know the sports media loves to talk up anything with a pulse it’s good for business
I think Watson is a very good QB. I just think many here overvalue him a bit

I agree if we can get what some are posting on here then great
I just don’t think we will get as much as people think.
Just being realistic thats why want him to stay
Hearing others opinions is a good thing For me at least

 

[SnakeEyes]

Wait so not talking is acting out? also not talking is seen as being a behavioral issue? boy yall love saying anything that has no basis.

He is talking are you living under a rock? On Twitter to the public. First it was "some things never change" directly aimed at the FO. Ordered to be removed by someone seeing it was deleted. Next up was a song lyric. And he still has not said anything positive about the GM or HC search. Basically, he is not being a leader. He is being a complainer.

 

[badboy]

Jets get:

Deshaun Watson
Whitney Mercilus

Texans get:

2021 1.2
2021 1.23
2021 2.34
2021 5th
2022 1st
2022 3rd
DT Quinnen Williams

This leave the Jets with..

2 3rd's, a 4th, a 5th, and a 7th in 2021

a 1st, a 2nd, 2 5th's, and 3 6th's in 2022

And they still have plenty of cap space to fill gaps in FA.

Sh*t costs money.

Done deal for me.

 

[badboy]

Maybe mundane winning AFC east for the Patriots. Yes Surely not Houston
Do you really feel the Dolphins by just adding Watson go to AFC championship ?
I don’t see that at all. They didn’t even make the playoffs with 7 teams in each conference now .
And I can’t see a 2-14 Jets team who adds Watson go to the playoffs
just my opinion.
As we know the sports media loves to talk up anything with a pulse it’s good for business
I think Watson is a very good QB. I just think many here overvalue him a bit

I agree if we can get what some are posting on here then great
I just don’t think we will get as much as people think.
Just being realistic thats why want him to stay
Hearing others opinions is a good thing For me at least

Wash 7-9 and Bears 8-8 playoffs. I think Jets fans and their management believe DeShaun Watson is worth five or six wins this season.

 

[steelbtexan]

It's not possible. By trading a franchise QB, you are making the assumption that you will be able to find another with the bounty of picks you get back. The odds are, you won't get one. That makes the trade an automatic fail.

Also history says if you keep him you will automatically fail to win a SB.

 

[thunderkyss]

Also history says if you keep him you will automatically fail to win a SB.

All history is telling us, is that we have to manage the cap & contracts better from here on out. We won't win a Super Bowl taking $40M cap hits for DeShaun Watson. Nick needs to find a way to manage that contract & those cap hits, when appropriate. We won't be playing for a Super Bowl in 2022, so we should be ok taking the hit there.

History tells us it's easier to fix Watson's contract, than finding another QB of his caliber.

 

[steelbtexan]

All history is telling us, is that we have to manage the cap & contracts better from here on out. We won't win a Super Bowl taking $40M cap hits for DeShaun Watson. Nick needs to find a way to manage that contract & those cap hits, when appropriate. We won't be playing for a Super Bowl in 2022, so we should be ok taking the hit there.

History tells us it's easier to fix Watson's contract, than finding another QB of his caliber.

A denier

Look at all of the big money QBs for a clue. Surely you can find a franchise QB in 26 yrs and counting.

 

[Lucky]

A denier

Look at all of the big money QBs for a clue. Surely you can find a franchise QB in 26 yrs and counting.

Don't get caught up in this manufactured argument, @thunderkyss. There haven't been QBs in the past that took up 15% of the cap or whatever arbitrary number they've come up with. Now, there are with the rise of the $30+ million AAV QBs. It's a new phenomenon, with no data to support the theory, one way or the other. Ignore.

 

[steelbtexan]

Don't get caught up in this manufactured argument, @thunderkyss. There haven't been QBs in the past that took up 15% of the cap or whatever arbitrary number they've come up with. Now, there are with the rise of the $30+ million AAV QBs. It's a new phenomenon, with no data to support the theory, one way or the other. Ignore.

26 yrs

But there's no data OK.

You know what else there won't be? Championships irs plain as day to see. You just choose to bury your head in the sand and ignore this.

Look at this week's championship games as an example. Even if Rodgers wins a SB it will be an anomaly.

 

[Lucky]

26 yrs

But there's no data OK.

Please give us the data of the QBs that took up too much of the salary cap, thus not allowing their team to win the Super Bowl.

We're waiting....

 

[thunderkyss]

A denier

Look at all of the big money QBs for a clue. Surely you can find a franchise QB in 26 yrs and counting.

There have been plenty of big money QBs to win the Super Bowl in the last 26 years. Just none making 13.2% of the cap. Many a big money QB renegotiate their deals to allow the team to do what they need to do.

 

[SnakeEyes]

Wait, back up. One of Watson's canidates said that they didn't want to interview with the Texans. Then he changed his mind the same weekend Les Frazier was coming in. That is not a situation that you can blame anyone but Salah (sp) on. EB was reported to have not interviewed well and that caused some rethinking by the Texans. I'm sure they called the teams he interviewed with and asked for information. Then said they were going to interview him. That IMO is smart. Find out what the issue is that was being reported as "not interviewing well". It could be nothing or it could be something that another team knew and we didn't. To me, that's doing your homework on a guy who you might possibly hire and pay a good deal of money. Call it double checking the information you have. Smart, before you pay some big money.

All in all it sounds like Watson has been involved. But, not to the degree he wants. He almost seems to think that Cal was going to give him final say on both GM and HC. Seeing again he was no question aware of Cal being interested in Nick. I mean we have been trying to get him for 3-4yrs now. On the HC front, I mentioned above about 1 not going to interview and then changed his mind. On EB it seems like we hesitated to review some stuff after he was said to have had bad interviews. I don't see any lack of communication. I see lack of ability to say "ok not my top pick for GM but he is very qualified". HC candidates are still being considered so he is in the loop on that.

Where is the problem? Unless Cal, and he may have, told Watson it was his pick on both.

 

[Earl34]

There have been plenty of big money QBs to win the Super Bowl in the last 26 years. Just none making 13.2% of the cap. Many a big money QB renegotiate their deals to allow the team to do what they need to do.

Good point. Also, every time I read this 26 years comment. I always wonder if the "issue" is the QB is taking up more than 15% of the salary cap, what happens if the QB is making less than 15%, but we have a non productive player with a big contract and when you add his salary with the QB, it takes more than 15%?

For example. If Watson's salary is $26M and is under the magical 15% threshold, but you have Mercilus making $14M and the combine salaries is $40M. Doesn't that also impact winning a Super Bowl or not having cap space to sign someone else? At the end of the day, if it's 15% to one player or 15% to a combination of players, if one of the players sucks, isn't the impact the same?

What if Mercilus was replace by a LB on a rookie contract and that drops Watson's salary below the magical threshold, does the narrative change? What if the QB's salary is a percentage point below the magical threshold, does that raise Super Bowl hopes?

 

[thunderkyss]

For example. If Watson's salary is $26M and is under the magical 15% threshold, but you have Mercilus making $14M and the combine salaries is $40M. Doesn't that also impact winning a Super Bowl or not having cap space to sign someone else? At the end of the day, if it's 15% to one player or 15% to a combination of players, if one of the players sucks, isn't the impact the same?

If I were Watson, that’s what I’d be mad about. We’re not winning championships when guys like Mercilus & Murray make what they make & don’t show up on the stat sheet 1 week, much less multiple weeks.

 

[ClemsonTexan]

I didn't realize the word "cuck" was used outside of incel/sexual loser circles.

 

[ClemsonTexan]

I'm not very knowledgeable about contracts/salary caps, but I don't see why it's assumed that Watson's contract is set in stone. He strikes me as the type of guy who would restructure his contract if the organization could sell him on a vision. JJ would probably do the same thing if he felt he was dealing with someone who actually knew what he was doing.

 

[DocBar]

Well from your post it appears you only read the bolded points. Do You know who left tackle Mekhi Becton is or anything about him? My post that you quoted was to receive him back in trade. He is definitely not Tunsil but he will be a starting left tackle who would absolutely protect Zach and he did well for the Dolphins at that position before his injury.

How do you know anything that happens in the future? You base it on the information you have and look at other people's point of view. Tunsil is one of our players who has a huge cap hit and can be replaced either by becton or by a drafted player in 21. We are going nowhere in the next two years with tunsil and DeShaun Watson. Most people agree with that. Not only would we be wasting the next 2 years for those players but also sucking up their tremendous cap space hits.

Just me but I don't like to sit on my hands and hope things get better without obvious reasons why they will. I would rather go out and take a swing with a bat Even if I miss.

I was just hitting the highlights. I honestly don't think the Texans improve their situation by gutting the team for future draft capital and temporary cap relief. I say temporary because Becton and whatever QB gets drafted will both want to get paid and those paydays are likely to dwarf both Watson and Tunsils deals. The Texans are probably better off sticking with the proven talent and sticking it out through a crummy 2021 season.

 

[badboy]

I was just hitting the highlights. I honestly don't think the Texans improve their situation by gutting the team for future draft capital and temporary cap relief. I say temporary because Becton and whatever QB gets drafted will both want to get paid and those paydays are likely to dwarf both Watson and Tunsils deals. The Texans are probably better off sticking with the proven talent and sticking it out through a crummy 2021 season.

We would control Bectons contract 4 more seasons (2021 $1.5 m) and a drafted QB for five. Little too soon to worry about their next contract. I understand your position just don't agree with it.

 

[maverick512000]

I'm not very knowledgeable about contracts/salary caps, but I don't see why it's assumed that Watson's contract is set in stone. He strikes me as the type of guy who would restructure his contract if the organization could sell him on a vision. JJ would probably do the same thing if he felt he was dealing with someone who actually knew what he was doing.

Did he also strike you as the type of guy that would sign a new, 160 million contract then get mad because they didn’t hire the GM he wanted?

 

[Texansphan]

Looking like we gonna get Eric Bienemy so Watson ain't goin nowhere.
I bet Bienemy brings in some weapons for Watson and another OC - should be interesting to watch it all unfold.

 

[Texian]

By my count we have at least 52 more days to continue playing the Watson Trade Game.

 

[Lucky]

By my count we have at least 52 more days to continue playing the Watson Trade Game.

Since it's a total fantasy, I don't see why you can't play it yearlong? Enjoy.

 

[steelbtexan]

There have been plenty of big money QBs to win the Super Bowl in the last 26 years. Just none making 13.2% of the cap. Many a big money QB renegotiate their deals to allow the team to do what they need to do.

Care to tell me who renegotiated their cap hit down under that number and won a championship and why you think DW4 will do that for a team he doesn't want to be on.

I will tell you who hasn't re-negotiated their deals down and haven't won a championship since signing their big deals, Rodgers/ Brees/Wilson for starters.

 

[steelbtexan]

Looking like we gonna get Eric Bienemy so Watson ain't goin nowhere.
I bet Bienemy brings in some weapons for Watson and another OC - should be interesting to watch it all unfold.

I thought that was the GM's job not the HC's job.

What weapons do you want to be brought in? He set career highs last yr.

 

[steelbtexan]

Good point. Also, every time I read this 26 years comment. I always wonder if the "issue" is the QB is taking up more than 15% of the salary cap, what happens if the QB is making less than 15%, but we have a non productive player with a big contract and when you add his salary with the QB, it takes more than 15%?

For example. If Watson's salary is $26M and is under the magical 15% threshold, but you have Mercilus making $14M and the combine salaries is $40M. Doesn't that also impact winning a Super Bowl or not having cap space to sign someone else? At the end of the day, if it's 15% to one player or 15% to a combination of players, if one of the players sucks, isn't the impact the same?

What if Mercilus was replace by a LB on a rookie contract and that drops Watson's salary below the magical threshold, does the narrative change? What if the QB's salary is a percentage point below the magical threshold, does that raise Super Bowl hopes?

Nothing magical about this at all it's strictly numbers and the 13.2 is currently the number that says you wont win a championship. Look at the championship games this weekend as an example of what the Texans should be doing vs what they've done and are going to do.

 

[steelbtexan]

Please give us the data of the QBs that took up too much of the salary cap, thus not allowing their team to win the Super Bowl.

We're waiting....

13.2 %

Just look it up.

I know it doesn't fit your narrative but it's a fact.

 

[Lucky]

I will tell you who hasn't re-negotiated their deals down and haven't won a championship since signing their big deals, Rodgers/ Brees/Wilson for starters.

Can you provide a list of the QBs over the past 26 years that exceeded the magical 13.2% salary cap threshold. You have the data, right?

 

[steelbtexan]

Can you provide a list of the QBs over the past 26 years that exceeded the magical 13.2% salary cap threshold. You have the data, right?

And won a championship?

There are none

That's the point. Look it up for yourself if you dont believe me.

Look at the QB's in the championship games, only Rodgers excceds the number. You think that's a coincidence.