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Should we trade Watson?

Should we trade Watson?

  • Yes, without a doubt.

  • Yes, depending on compensation (please list your trade scenario).

  • No, never.

  • No, unless he plays hardball and sits.

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thunderkyss said:
Not necessarily. Houston tells him if he wants to be traded he waives the ntc.

If he doesn't waive it, he doesn't get traded. Period.
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Plus, if he is keeps acting out. The FO can say we are not paying you. And/or just bench him and fine him this year. While the clause is in the contract, I'm fairly certain that they also have a behavior section. A good legal person in the FO could easily state the behavior that is being shown violates that part of the contract. And then Watson is even more at the mercy of the FO. Keep it in mind that the contract is not just 3 pages or something. They are books almost with things like that in them. Look at Mahomes, he can't do almost anything athletic or it is a violation of his contact. If KC wanted to be a bunch of asses they could say the Kola Challenge he did with his girlfriend violated his contact (it's on YouTube). I mean she is 100 and some pounds and is hanging on his arms, neck and shoulders. She could have injured him. I'm using that as an example, I highly doubt any team would ever call that any type of violation... but in theory it somewhat is.
 
Wilson
-Lack of communication; Watson expected follow-up and involvement
-People are contacting them; no intention of trading him; Jets, Dolphins, 49ers
-Don’t want Tim Kelly to get out of here
-Calmed down a little bit; it’s like “OK, what’s next?”
-Not a media creation; he really is mad; major disconnect; crisis for the franchise

McClain
-Watson isn’t going anywhere
-Cal said they plan to keep him updated on the search
-Would imagine coaches want to know about Watson & Easterby
-Jamey Rootes expected to leave

Wilson
-I believe he’ll be the Texans QB
-Difficult to pull off these trades
-A lot TBD but I don’t believe he’ll be traded
-Probably not resolved in January or even February; real due date is the first night of the draft

McClain
-Could go to training camp
-Absolutely no way Caserio is trading Watson


Aaron Wilson and John McClain's podcast.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/te...exans-won-t-trade-Deshaun-Watson-15885265.php
 
Earl34 said:
Is pettiness one of the stages of being a Texans' fan or is it one of the stages of grief when you lose your franchise QB?
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Observations aren't pettiness. Man I never thought there would ever be anything I agree with the Matrix on.

Who you choose as your friends says alot about you.
 
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SnakeEyes said:
Plus, if he is keeps acting out. The FO can say we are not paying you. And/or just bench him and fine him this year. While the clause is in the contract, I'm fairly certain that they also have a behavior section. A good legal person in the FO could easily state the behavior that is being shown violates that part of the contract. And then Watson is even more at the mercy of the FO. Keep it in mind that the contract is not just 3 pages or something. They are books almost with things like that in them. Look at Mahomes, he can't do almost anything athletic or it is a violation of his contact. If KC wanted to be a bunch of asses they could say the Kola Challenge he did with his girlfriend violated his contact (it's on YouTube). I mean she is 100 and some pounds and is hanging on his arms, neck and shoulders. She could have injured him. I'm using that as an example, I highly doubt any team would ever call that any type of violation... but in theory it somewhat is.
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Wait so not talking is acting out? also not talking is seen as being a behavioral issue? boy yall love saying anything that has no basis.
 
Earl34 said:
Is pettiness one of the stages of being a Texans' fan or is it one of the stages of grief when you lose your franchise QB?
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The fact is that Watson did meet with McNair TWICE discussing GM & HC candidates.

He didn't get what he wanted in the GM and that's the disconnect.

Caserio wasn't my first choice but he's infinitely qualified , Watson has little to complain about when it comes to qualifications.
 
Corrosion said:
The fact is that Watson did meet with McNair TWICE discussing GM & HC candidates.

He didn't get what he wanted in the GM and that's the disconnect.

Caserio wasn't my first choice but he's infinitely qualified , Watson has little to complain about when it comes to qualifications.
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Looking at Cal, Easterby and Caserio for at least the next 5 years is a bit shocking and overwhelming with the idea of no escape from the bowels of the NFL basement. His 2 HC requests (Bienemy and Saleh) did not even get a request to interview. They were all completely ignored. The two meetings with Cal were a complete waste of time. The GM hire, he saw on social media, said more of the same, same offense, same defense, same old Patriots way because this is all they know, the Patriots Way. Familiarity breeds contempt. Deshaun's Christmas tree was empty, it had no presents under it.
 
Corrosion said:
The fact is that Watson did meet with McNair TWICE discussing GM & HC candidates.

He didn't get what he wanted in the GM and that's the disconnect.

Caserio wasn't my first choice but he's infinitely qualified , Watson has little to complain about when it comes to qualifications.
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That might be true, but what does it have to do with a a post equating Watson's character to Harden and China apologists? That is what I was responding to.
 
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SnakeEyes said:
Plus, if he is keeps acting out. The FO can say we are not paying you. And/or just bench him and fine him this year. While the clause is in the contract, I'm fairly certain that they also have a behavior section. A good legal person in the FO could easily state the behavior that is being shown violates that part of the contract. And then Watson is even more at the mercy of the FO. Keep it in mind that the contract is not just 3 pages or something. They are books almost with things like that in them. Look at Mahomes, he can't do almost anything athletic or it is a violation of his contact. If KC wanted to be a bunch of asses they could say the Kola Challenge he did with his girlfriend violated his contact (it's on YouTube). I mean she is 100 and some pounds and is hanging on his arms, neck and shoulders. She could have injured him. I'm using that as an example, I highly doubt any team would ever call that any type of violation... but in theory it somewhat is.
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Well if he ever needs someone to help him out with Brittney I will make the sacrifice. I am good like that.
 
Texian said:
Looking at Cal, Easterby and Caserio for at least the next 5 years is a bit shocking and overwhelming with the idea of no escape from the bowels of the NFL basement. His 2 HC requests (Bienemy and Saleh) did not even get a request to interview. They were all completely ignored. The two meetings with Cal were a complete waste of time. The GM hire, he saw on social media, said more of the same, same offense, same defense, same old Patriots way because this is all they know, the Patriots Way. Familiarity breeds contempt. Deshaun's Christmas tree was empty, it had no presents under it.
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There may have been presents under the $156 million new money but my sources tell me Deshaun is still digging---
 
Texian said:
Looking at Cal, Easterby and Caserio for at least the next 5 years is a bit shocking and overwhelming with the idea of no escape from the bowels of the NFL basement. His 2 HC requests (Bienemy and Saleh) did not even get a request to interview. They were all completely ignored. The two meetings with Cal were a complete waste of time. The GM hire, he saw on social media, said more of the same, same offense, same defense, same old Patriots way because this is all they know, the Patriots Way. Familiarity breeds contempt. Deshaun's Christmas tree was empty, it had no presents under it.
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The head coach candidates didn't get an interview ?

Wasn't it stated by Cal that they would hire a GM first and that the GM would make the decision on who the coach would be ? What's the point of interviewing coaches when the guy making the decision isn't in place ?!


Watson's #1 choice did get interviewed - After the GM was in place. He has been the frontrunner for that position since the day OB got fired and still is to this moment.
There's tremendous pressure from ownership (Not just the McNair's) to make that happen , specifically tp placate Watson.

As for the system .... the GM doesn't dictate that , that's the coaching staff , the HC and OC neither of which have been hired yet.


#Social Justice.
 
Corrosion said:
The head coach candidates didn't get an interview ?

Wasn't it stated by Cal that they would hire a GM first and that the GM would make the decision on who the coach would be ? What's the point of interviewing coaches when the guy making the decision isn't in place ?!


Watson's #1 choice did get interviewed - After the GM was in place. He has been the frontrunner for that position since the day OB got fired and still is to this moment.
There's tremendous pressure from ownership (Not just the McNair's) to make that happen , specifically tp placate Watson.

As for the system .... the GM doesn't dictate that , that's the coaching staff , the HC and OC neither of which have been hired yet.


#Social Justice.
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Cal should have never involved Watson in the GM search. However, the question I have is did Cal communicate with Watson that he would look at GM candidates, but Caserio was his #1 choice, he has been waiting three years to hire Caserio and detail why he felt Caserio would be a good fit for the Texans and bringing championships to Houston? Did Cal state that another candidate would have to really blow him away to beat Caserio?

Finally, ask your source if there is any truth to the SI story that Cal was influenced by Easterby and his agent. Did Watson catch a flight to Cabo and heard one person was going to be hired and when he landed, he learned of the change of plan and Caserio being hired via tweets. IMHO, besides Cal involving Watson in the search, that might be the source of all of this nonsense.

As far as #Social Justice, I'll leave that to you and others to discuss. My guess is it will be used as a narrative to sway public opinion on trading Watson. I expect we will soon hear that Watson wasn't practicing and didn't know the playbook.
 
Earl34 said:
Cal should have never involved Watson in the GM search.
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This is as arrogant as trying to tell Cal who to hire.

Fact: Cal told several people they would be involved in the hiring process.

Fact: Only one person is butt hurt about hiring Caserio.


Earl34 said:
Finally, ask your source if there is any truth to the SI story that Cal was influenced by Easterby and his agent.
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McClain has already dispelled this rumor. He laid out the sequence of events in the Chronicle. He also shot down the rumor about offering Khan a deal.

Fact: no one hired anyone on the Korn Ferry list.
 
Corrosion said:
The head coach candidates didn't get an interview ?

Wasn't it stated by Cal that they would hire a GM first and that the GM would make the decision on who the coach would be ? What's the point of interviewing coaches when the guy making the decision isn't in place ?!


Watson's #1 choice did get interviewed - After the GM was in place. He has been the frontrunner for that position since the day OB got fired and still is to this moment.
There's tremendous pressure from ownership (Not just the McNair's) to make that happen , specifically tp placate Watson.

As for the system .... the GM doesn't dictate that , that's the coaching staff , the HC and OC neither of which have been hired yet.


#Social Justice.
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You're guilty of using common sense and logic. That simply does not apply when dealing with the FUBAR Houston Texans. The Texans were interviewing HC candidates several weeks before Caserio was hired. Up until the time Caserio was hired Bienemy and Saleh were never contacted to interview. The Bienemy interview only scheduled after national media began discussing that Eric was never contacted. They had to break NFL rules to get it done yesterday. Caserio has been onboard for almost 3 weeks and Bienemy was only just contacted a few days ago after the Texans had painted themselves into a corner.
 
otisbean said:
I was going to mention this as well. Also, and I could be wrong, but I think it’s less about no going with his choice and more about Easterby influencing the process.
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Based on Andre’s comments that very well might be the case and closer to the truth than some of the recent posts in this thread.
 
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Let's face facts DW4'S actions are going to make it worse for minority candidates not better. What owner of a billion dollar business would want to put himself through this?
 
Only this clown show of an organization would be putting itself under this much stress over jack f-ing easterby, who has clearly become a cancer.

People on here are quick to say fire players who become cancers even if they’re all pro but somehow are quick to defend the organization and are even on board with trading Watson just to toe the company line.
 
CstatTexan said:
Only this clown show of an organization would be putting itself under this much stress over jack f-ing easterby, who has clearly become a cancer.

People on here are quick to say fire players who become cancers even if they’re all pro but somehow are quick to defend the organization and are even on board with trading Watson just to toe the company line.
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That's not the reason I want to trade DW4.

I've said I want Easterby gone since he was put on the search committee.

But it's not my team.
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1352256161119162368

If this impasse isn’t resolved between Watson and Texans chairman and CEO Cal McNair, it could lead to similarly unprecedented trade scenarios mirroring how major business is conducted in the NBA with deals like the Rockets’ recent moving of James Harden to the Brooklyn Nets.

At the moment, Watson hasn’t demanded a trade and the Texans have no intentions of trading him, according to league sources not authorized to speak publicly.

Signed to a four-year, $156 million contract that includes $110.7 million guaranteed, Watson’s contract has a no-trade clause that can only be waived by him. That gives Watson, under contract through 2025, the leverage to veto any potential trades to teams he’s not interested in playing for and choose his own destination.

It’s a fluid situation, sources emphasized, that could lead to several potential outcomes, including a reconciliation, trading Watson or his withholding services.

Watson’s contract is definitely tradable with manageable remaining salaries of $10.5 million, $35 million, $37 million, $32 million and $32 million. He has corresponding salary-cap figures of $15.94 million, $40.4 million, $42.4 million $37.4 million and $32 million.

“I really doubt that Deshaun will be traded,” an NFL general manager said. “The owner has to figure out a way to work things out and get on the same page with the quarterback. It’s a really good reminder that you need to have excellent communication with your best players, because this situation is extremely negative and has deteriorated really fast.

“I know a lot of teams would be interested in Deshaun, if the Texans made him available, and it would cost a lot as far as draft picks and players. He’s such an elite player that it’s definitely something a lot of teams are talking about and thinking about. I believe it would take at least three first-round draft picks to make it happen.”

Here’s a look at potential destinations for Watson if a high-profile divorce ensues:

New York Jets
The Jets are regarded as one of the more realistic contenders.

New York has four first-round draft picks in the next two drafts, including the No. 2 overall pick this year, along with roughly $70 million in salary cap space in 2021. The Jets also have quarterback Sam Darnold under a rookie contract. The Jets also have two third-round draft picks this year.

The Jets hired Robert Saleh, one of the head-coaching coaching candidates along with Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy whom Watson wanted the Texans to interview. Saleh was never requested, and Bieniemy was requested after Caserio was hired and interviewed Monday.

In 2008, the Denver Broncos traded Jay Cutler and a fifth-round pick to the Chicago Bears in exchange for a pair of first-round picks, a third-round pick and quarterback Kyle Orton.

However, Watson is a much better player than Cutler and will require a lot more in return in order to strike a deal.

Miami Dolphins
The Dolphins are an attractive destination with strong leadership in coach Brian Flores and general manager Chris Grier.

Miami has two first-round draft picks and two second-round picks, including the third overall pick obtained from the Texans in the trade last year that sent left tackle Laremy Tunsil to Houston. The Dolphins are an ascending team and Florida has no state income tax.

Miami has a quarterback with upside in Tua Tagovailoa, but that could be a deal-breaker for the Texans. Tagovailoa, a former Alabama standout who had his moments during his rookie season, isn’t regarded as a quarterback the Texans will view as an adequate replacement for Watson, according to multiple league sources.

The Texans are considered far more likely to draft a quarterback, someone like Ohio State’s Justin Fields or BYU’s Zach Wilson, to replace Watson than swap him out for Tagovailoa.

San Francisco 49ers
The 49ers’ intricate playbook orchestrated by Kyle Shanahan is tailor-made for Watson’s passing and running skills.

San Francisco hasn’t had a quarterback of Watson’s caliber since Joe Montana and Steve Young.

Watson led the NFL in passing yards last season and threw 33 touchdown passes despite being sacked 49 times on a 4-12 squad.

The 49ers could offer elite defensive end Nick Bosa as part of an extensive package involving Watson and quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo. Another wrinkle: Garoppolo, 29, is due $24.1 million in 2021 and has a no-trade clause.

Carolina Panthers
The Panthers have the No. 8 pick of the first round and need quarterback help after Teddy Bridgewater passed for 3,733 yards, 15 touchdowns and 11 interceptions.

The only way the Texans could wisely entertain a deal with Carolina would be if they get running back Christian McCaffrey in return along with at least two first-round draft picks.

Denver Broncos
The Broncos need an upgrade from quarterback Drew Lock and hold the No. 9 overall pick of the first round this year.

Denver would need to likely include pass rusher Bradley Chubb or, possibly, wide receiver Courtland Sutton to make a serious offer as well as multiple first-round draft picks.

Chicago Bears
This would give general manager Ryan Pace a chance to admit his mistake from 2017 when he picked quarterback Mitchell Trubisky instead of Watson and Patrick Mahomes.

The Bears don’t have a lot to give the Texans with no extra first-round draft picks in the next two drafts. They also have a tight salary-cap situation. It’s doubtful Watson would want to play for a team that passed on him in the draft.

Indianapolis Colts
NFL teams rarely make the mistake of conducting serious business within their own division, but the Colts definitely need a quarterback after Philip Rivers’ retirement.

The Colts would likely need to send at least their next three first-round draft picks to have a realistic conversation about Watson. Basically, this is a non-starter.

Jacksonville Jaguars
Should new coach Urban Meyer try to wheel and deal with the Texans for Watson?

It would mean getting an established quarterback in Watson and losing the chance to draft Clemson quarterback Trevor Lawrence first overall. The Texans wouldn’t want to face Watson twice annually.

The Jaguars do have two first-round picks, two second-round selections and a pair of fourth-rounders this year.

Pittsburgh Steelers
Steelers coach Mike Tomlin is one of the strongest leaders in the NFL, and this is one of the most stable organizations in professional sports in terms of ownership and the front office.

The Steelers have a decision to make on Ben Roethlisberger, though, and don’t draft until the 24th pick of the first round.

Trading for Watson would be an out-of-character move for veteran general manager Kevin Colbert, who does most of his roster-building through the draft.

New Orleans Saints
Drew Brees is retiring, and Watson would be an excellent replacement for him.

The Saints have a strong roster, but also some thorny salary-cap issues.

The Saints have a proven track record of acquiring talent in the draft with Sean Payton and Jeff Ireland remaining in place. Terry Fontenot was hired as the Falcons’ general manager.

New England Patriots
It’s hard to envision Bill Belichick entertaining a huge trade for Watson despite the struggles of Cam Newton as Tom Brady’s replacement last season.

But the Patriots do have roughly $54 million in salary-cap space available and the 15th overall pick of the first round.

Belichick and Watson have a lot of mutual respect..

Plus, there are a lot of connections between New England and the Texans, given the presence of former Patriots staffers Caserio and executive vice president of football operations Jack Easterby in Houston. A Watson trade is still considered a highly unlikely scenario.

Las Vegas Raiders
Jon Gruden has stuck with Derek Carr for years, and he hasn’t gotten enough wins in return.

Gruden is a huge Watson fan and it’s no secret that he’s annually weighing his options at the position despite Carr’s steady production.

There’s no state income tax in Nevada, and there’s the glitter of Las Vegas to consider for Watson and playing with running back Josh Jacobs and tight end Darren Waller.

The Raiders would likely need to send Carr and two first-round draft picks to the Texans to have a chance to land Watson.

Atlanta Falcons
Watson is from nearby Gainesville, Ga., making this his hometown NFL team. He’s a former Falcons ball boy.

The Falcons have the No. 4 overall pick of the first round, but have a tight salary cap given the presence of 35-year-old quarterback Matt Ryan.

This seems like a major long shot, but one scenario would involve the Texans sending Watson to the Falcons for their next three years of first-round draft picks and more to make them take on Ryan’s contract. Ryan has a $40.9 million salary-cap figure in 2021 and the Falcons are $31 million over the projected salary cap.

“Bottom line, it’s crazy to think the Texans would be dumb enough to trade Deshaun,” an NFL executive said. “Nick Caserio is a very smart guy. I would bet he figures out a way to make Deshaun happy and fix this thing before it gets further out of hand. They don’t play a game until September, so there’s a lot of time to smooth things over.”
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm just saying Cal is the issue. Not Easterby. Firing Easterby does nothing to fix the problem.
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Maybe a part of the solution to the Cal problem, in other words top leadership issues, was the hiring of Nick Caserio. If the Texans hire a "leader of men" HC that players will "run through brick walls for", he also helps solve the Cal problem. Cal can back away from micro-managing the team and start to blend in to the background, only to be seen and heard from again when he is hoisting the Lombardi trophy. So out of the leadership hierarchy that led to this mess, who remains?

My assertion is, this snake has two heads.
 
Hello Texans Talk:

I'm Chad from the Dolphins message board Finheaven.

First off I wanna say I feel for you guys, Bill O'Brian and now this Easterbee guy have done a number to your organization and team.

Obviously the thought of Watson comming to Miami has sent our board into complete hysteria. The thought of what we would be giving up to get Watson; scares the **** out of me.

According to what I'm hearing over there the price for Watson would be..... Tua, #3, #18, #50 and next years 1st rounder..... ouch. I mean Watson is fantastic but when you consider the absolute haul the Dolphins would be giving up im souring on the idea quickly.

If, you guys traded for Tua, I think you guys would really like him. Hes a fantastic person, hes accurate and with a whole off-season to lift and train Tuas talent will blossom. The guy was rehabbing a broken hip last off-season and still took us to 10 wins. Honestly I hope we don't make this trade.

The other teams im hearing the most rumors about are the Jets, 49ers, Falcons.

Jets have the #2 pick and another 1st rounder like #26 i think, and Darnold plus a 2nd this year and a 1st next to offer for Watson. Problem with this team is clearly the lack of talent on the Jets roster. They are hands down the worst team in the league talent wise and Watson would be out of his mind to want to go there, but from what I'm hearing he's open to it.

Falcons make alot of sense, Watson is from Atl and they have the #4 pick to offer but not another 1st rounder in the 2021 draft like the Fins and a Jets. Also Atl doesn't have a QB to send to Houston in return. So I don't think Atl has the ammo to pull off this trade.

49ers have Jimmy G to offer lol. Also they have the least draft capitol out of the 4 teams.


- if im you guys I would trade him to the Jets for multiple reasons. They won't be good with Watson, they have zero playmakers; their offensive line is the worst in the NFL and out side of kinda stopping the run their defense is suspect. With the #2 pick you could land Wilson or Fields or hell, even trade down and get another haul of picks and see what Darold could do for 1 year. I'd look for a way to offload David Johnson's astronomical contract (God that trade was stupid) and focus on rebuilding after getting your cap under control. On paper this idea is a pretty good way to start a rebuild.

I'm wondering what you guys are hearing and feeling?

Any other teams that may enter this conversation?

Obviously this is a tough topic for Texans fans, im sure none of you want to trade Watson and for that I am sorry.

Are any of you optimistic that If you do trade Watson and get a boat load of picks and cap relief this team would turn it around quicker than with Watson and no real draft capitol?

I hope me coming over here doesn't offend anyone, being a Dolphins fan i can totally relate to being a fan of a team that breaks your heart.
 
Welcome, I think most of us don't really know what's going on as Watson has said very little. It's alway "a source close to DW4 says.." or a friend of DW4 says..."
If he is unhappy and DOES request a trade, if it comes to it, it would have to be a king's ransome!
Personally I'd let him sit and not get paid. Hopefully it's not as bad as all the pundits are reporting.
 
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