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Nick Caserio - New GM

PATRIOTS HEAD COACH BILL BELICHICK ON SCOTT PIOLI
"To sum up in words everything Scott Pioli has meant to this organization and to me personally would be difficult, if not impossible. From the day I met him, he has demonstrated a passion for football and respect for the game that is second to none. It has been extremely gratifying for me to follow Scott's career ascension from the bottom of the totem pole in Cleveland to his place as a pillar of championship teams in New England. Now with the opportunity to steer his own ship and a vision of building a winner, there is no more capable, hardworking, loyal, team-oriented person than Scott Pioli."
"On a personal level, the Belichick-Pioli bond runs far deeper than our workplace, as we and our families have shared countless memories away from football. Working side by side with one of my best friends for almost two decades is special enough in itself. But to help each other achieve success beyond our dreams is a blessing and something I will always remember and appreciate."
Patriots issue statements on Scott Pioli
 
KA4Texan said:
"To boot"?

May I qoute you sir that DeShaun Watson is extremely unhappy as a QB and he desires to be traded to a team where he can be their kicker?



I like this game.
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No, more like someone asked or bated him or someone close to him on a question....something along the line of like “hey how do you think he/you would feel if the Texans brought in a guy that you in your heart felt wasn’t the right move or hired someone without keeping you in the loop” And he responds with something like “well, it might be time to consider moving on....” or something along those lines...

completely hypothetical question that very loosely fits the current situation. He’s already come out and said he’s not upset with the hire of Caserio.

Or it could simply be a power play on his part to make sure he is kept in the loop on the hiring of the HC now that the GM has been brought in since Cal has already said that the GM will lead the search for the HC.

whatever’s going on, its being blown up times a million by the media.
 
steelbtexan said:
Job #1 is overhauling the pro personnel/Scouting depts. They need to see if it was failure to draft talent or BOB's staff not being able to draft talent.
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I heard something a few weeks back , just after OB was canned that there would be major changes to the scouting department - Most , if not the entire crew would be fired / replaced.

I'm scared of Brady because being a young guy I wonder what kind of staff he can put together. Marrone would be my 1st call as OL coach.
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That is a legit concern .... You look at the staff OB put together. Other than RAC & Tracy Smith the rest are pretty much nobody you ever heard of.
 
Earl34 said:
Does anyone find it interesting that we have national media types like Peter King, Ian Rapoport and Adam Schefter all tweeting about the local team? All of a sudden, NRG is leaking like a sieve.
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Where there's smoke there's fire. Tex was going all in on us for supposedly overreacting. Lol as you can see it wasn't an overreaction at all.
 
Wasn't there a presser not long ago with Watson saying he was going to Cabo or someplace similar, immediately after the season ended? If so, how's he supposed to be involved in any searches if he's in Cabo?

Secondly, is there someone in the building with issues with the pastor, leaking stuff in an effort to get some kind of action taken with regards to the pastor?
 
Mr teX said:
My god The local media talks about Jack Easterby like he’s got some mythical influencing powers of a Francis Norwood and Franklin D. Roosevelt all rolled into 1.

Like, before BoB was fired, they attributed him as having the same levels of powers.
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We would be surprised huh. You seen how much power Bill Obrien ended up with, so this is not farfetched to think the preacher man was blessed with power.
 
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Speedy said:
Wasn't there a presser not long ago with Watson saying he was going to Cabo or someplace similar, immediately after the season ended? If so, how's he supposed to be involved in any searches if he's in Cabo?

Secondly, is there someone in the building with issues with the pastor, leaking stuff in an effort to get some kind of action taken with regards to the pastor?
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yes it was said on the final game broadcast that he was off to Cabo as soon as the season was over.

As for the 2nd part, there is most definitely a group of individuals inside the FO leaking stuff out trying to get Easterby fired. I mean here lately it seems that every time we make a major move (firing of BoB, firing of Palcic, hiring of Caserio) immediately something negative comes out about Easterby. Punch, counterpunch.

Me thinks there are a number of lower level scouts, and pro personnel folks who have enjoyed a lot of job security over the years thru 2 regimes. Their jobs are now on the line due to this culture change in the organization that Easterby seems to be spearheading. The hiring of Caserio seems to be yet another nail in their coffins who, in all likelihood is gonna overhaul the entire FO.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Where there's smoke there's fire. Tex was going all in on us for supposedly overreacting. Lol as you can see it wasn't an overreaction at all.
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you guys were overreacting. It’s already been reported that Watson:

isn’t upset with the hire of Caserio
Hasn’t requested a trade
Met with Cal just last week before he took off in the offseason.
 
There is no amount of draft picks worth giving up a franchise QB. Drafts are a bit overrated. They're good for rebuilding but teams like New England and Seattle haven't had high draft picks in nearly a decade and they spent the last decade always in playoffs or Super Bowls. Now the Chiefs are the top team and won't be drafting high for a decade plus and they'll most likely be winning the division every year at minimum.

So we can't afford to lose Deshaun. Unless you want another 15 years of 3rd round busts, career back ups etc we gotta protect our investment for the time being. Rebuilds don't work at least not soon. It took Cleveland 20 years to get back to the playoffs, Lions are a joke, Oakland hasn't done a thing since 2002 and so on. So I'm not entertaining anything short of how do we fix this situation and put the best possible team around him
 
Not to derail the derail but I did actually hear an interesting “what if” on the trading of Watson. Basically he goes to the Jags in exchange for their 1:1 , taking over his contract and a few later rounds picks.

Gives the Texans Lawrence on a rookie contract so that the new HC and GM aren’t tied to Watson’s contract that will hit the most just when they can most likely have things back under control cap and draft wise.

For the a Jags it gives them a proven QB that they know is not a bust that they can build around and might put them back in the title hunt years sooner.

I’m not saying it’s a good or bad idea or that it’s even feasible it’s just the only ones of these many trade rumors I heard that actually sounded interesting.
 
steelbtexan said:
Winning solves all of this.

BTW, who cares what the national media has to say?
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I dont care but a poster talked about the national media taking an interest in us.... so I was simply saying, if it bothers anyone that the national media is paying attention.... it will stop the moment JJ and DW are gone.

I couldnt possibly care less, I have enough conflicting voices in my head, I dont need to pay for my ears to endure it too.

Least the voices in my head can entertain me, unlike the media.
 
First off players should not be miffed it they can't be in on the GM hiring. Any player. That's just not how it should work anyway. However, if it was said that would happen, and it didn't, then YES you could say that's a problem. It's a problem because it makes the ownership look like idiots.

But of course we're talking about the Texans here, so that's sort of a given. LOL
 
Mr teX said:
Unbelievable the run this is getting...with not a whole lot of anything...and it has gone from “might” to “irked” to “extremely unhappy”
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These “reports” from Rapaport are the first I heard Watson was going to be involved in finding a new GM, which doesn’t make any sense.

I understand getting his opinion for HC, but GM... way above his pay grade.
 
UnlimitedTexan said:
There is no amount of draft picks worth giving up a franchise QB. Drafts are a bit overrated. They're good for rebuilding but teams like New England and Seattle haven't had high draft picks in nearly a decade and they spent the last decade always in playoffs or Super Bowls. Now the Chiefs are the top team and won't be drafting high for a decade plus and they'll most likely be winning the division every year at minimum.

So we can't afford to lose Deshaun. Unless you want another 15 years of 3rd round busts, career back ups etc we gotta protect our investment for the time being. Rebuilds don't work at least not soon. It took Cleveland 20 years to get back to the playoffs, Lions are a joke, Oakland hasn't done a thing since 2002 and so on. So I'm not entertaining anything short of how do we fix this situation and put the best possible team around him
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Dude they were 4-12 with DW4.

Cant get much worse than that.

Also they have no way to rebuild the team in the next 2 yrs before large part his contract extension hits.
 
thunderkyss said:
These “reports” from Rapaport are the first I heard Watson was going to be involved in finding a new GM, which doesn’t make any sense.

I understand getting his opinion for HC, but GM... way above his pay grade.
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I mean it seems conceivable that some level of overture was made to DW4 by Cal that he’d be involved and be able to give his input throughout the selection process....... but to what degrees for each position, noone but Cal & DW4 really knows.

DW4 is either making sure to hold Cal’s feet to the fire with the selection of the HC .......or he got his wires crossed about the level of input he would have for each selection.......................Or Cal really did tell him he would get a say in both selections.......

I myself don’t know what to make of it...could be 1 of the 3, all of the 3, or neither of the 3 who knows.
 
I like NC credentials. I hope he brings in strong people not connected to the Patriots full throttle. I hope Dorsey can be brought in as either a pro personel or a director of college scouting would be good. As far as head coaches, I don't care as much as I do when it comes to positional teachers.
 
For what it's worth, this article makes sense.

www.si.com

Deshaun Trade Rumors? Same 'Source' As Dak & Cowboys Rumors

Houston Texans Deshaun Watson Trade Rumors? Same 'Source' As Dallas Cowboys Rumors
www.si.com www.si.com

Can Watson get traded? Sure. He can. That is something that is possible to execute. Does he want to get traded, as this gossipy new story suggests? Houston Texans fans (and fans of every team that rightly covets him) should be less "sure'' there. Is he going to get traded? No. From a Houston perspective, that's simply not happening.
 
Mr teX said:
It’s just absolutely ridiculous how folks are projecting their own views on a situation based on talking head troll shows, uninformed Twitter bots and rumors and hit pieces.
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I don't think some of them are as uninformed as you think they are. I think DW4 has in fact expressed his thoughts to several teammates that he wants a trade. In fact I think it has gotten to a point where it is now on the Texans to try and convince DW4 to stick around, at for another year. IMHO I think there is a good chance Deshaun could be traded this year.
 
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Texian said:
I don't think some of them are as uninformed as you think they are. I think DW4 has in fact expressed his thoughts to several teammates that he insist upon a trade. In fact I think it has gotten to a point where it is now on the Texans to try and convince DW4 to stick around, at for another year. IMHO I think there is a good chance Deshaun could be traded this year.
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point taken..but let’s call this what it is

The national guys...Florio, Rappaport and Schefter just blew this **** up as an issue way bigger than it probably actually is/was when they initially reported that he was beside himself angry and “extremely unhappy” with the hiring of Caserio and could/would request a trade ...after the initial firestorm drummed up by them, DW4’s agent must’ve reached out to Aaron Wilson...( a guy with direct connects to DW4 himself) b/c his piece comes out after all these national guys’ stories and it CLARIFIES a number of things that directly contradicts what the national guys said; that DW4 wasn’t upset with the hiring of Caserio and that he hadn’t requested a trade & that he was upset more with THE PROCESS. After that 2 of the national guys back tracked and clarified their stuff with the same info thru well placed tweets.

so it went from “trade!” to “hiring process” in a matter of hours once someone really connected to DW4 and the situation got involved.

Florio is the main culprit and folks need to stop listening to this dude...he is the equivalent of “giiiirrrlll, guess what so & so told me today about......”.
 
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Mr teX said:
point taken..but let’s call this what it is

The national guys...Florio, Rappaport and Schefter just blew this **** up as an issue way bigger than it probably actually is/was when they initially reported that he was beside himself angry and “extremely unhappy” with the hiring of Caserio and could/would request a trade ...after the initial firestorm drummed up by them, DW4’s agent must’ve reached out to Aaron Wilson...( a guy with direct connects to DW4 himself) b/c his piece comes out after all these national guys’ stories and it CLARIFIES a number of things that directly contradicts what the national guys said; that DW4 wasn’t upset with the hiring of Caserio and that he hadn’t requested a trade & that he was upset more with THE PROCESS. After that 2 of the national guys back tracked and clarified their stuff with the same info thru well placed tweets.

so it went from “trade!” to “hiring process” in a matter of hours once someone really connected to DW4 and the situation got involved.

Florio is the main culprit and folks need to stop listening to this dude...he is the equivalent of “giiiirrrlll, guess what so & so told me today about......”.
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If you use a completely objective approach like many of the media guys who don't have a dog in this hunt, you wouldn't approach this from a position of denial. Whether you like him or not Florio is well connected. When Florio says SEVERAL of Watson's teammates have said that Watson has told them he wants to be traded, there is really no reason NOT to believe him. There is some real smoke here.
 
UnlimitedTexan said:
There is no amount of draft picks worth giving up a franchise QB. Drafts are a bit overrated. They're good for rebuilding but teams like New England and Seattle haven't had high draft picks in nearly a decade and they spent the last decade always in playoffs or Super Bowls. Now the Chiefs are the top team and won't be drafting high for a decade plus and they'll most likely be winning the division every year at minimum.

So we can't afford to lose Deshaun. Unless you want another 15 years of 3rd round busts, career back ups etc we gotta protect our investment for the time being. Rebuilds don't work at least not soon. It took Cleveland 20 years to get back to the playoffs, Lions are a joke, Oakland hasn't done a thing since 2002 and so on. So I'm not entertaining anything short of how do we fix this situation and put the best possible team around him
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unless you think trevor is a franchise QB ..??? u trade a franchise qb for a franchise QB alla one that is younger and cheaper ...and who says Watson is a franchise QB anyways hes never led us to the AFC championship game

anywho ya know i dont even think jacksonville wants watson does that sound crazy ..???? would they rather go with trevor and picks then watson ..???
 
Norg said:
unless you think trevor is a franchise QB ..??? u trade a franchise qb for a franchise QB alla one that is younger and cheaper ...and who says Watson is a franchise QB anyways hes never led us to the AFC championship game

anywho ya know i dont even think jacksonville wants watson does that sound crazy ..???? would they rather go with trevor and picks then watson ..???
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Lawrence comes with a 5 year rookie contract (Cheap). You've to really NOT like Lawrence to pass on that contract.
 
steelbtexan said:
Dude they were 4-12 with DW4.

Cant get much worse than that.

Also they have no way to rebuild the team in the next 2 yrs before large part his contract extension hits.
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yeah its going to take us 3 years to rebuild this mess and by the end of the 3 years watson is gone anyways

so u kinda have to roll the dice keep watson and lets go !!!!! or trade watson and get a NEW QB with draft stock..????

i would only trade with the jags or jets BTW 2 get there pick
 
Texian said:
Lawrence comes with a 5 year rookie contract (Cheap). You've to really NOT like Lawrence to pass on that contract.
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yeah i would make that trade but it doesnot matter i dont think the Jags will want 2 do that ..????
 
Texian said:
If you use a completely objective approach like many of the media guys who don't have a dog in this hunt, you wouldn't approach this from a position of denial. Whether you like him or not Florio is well connected. When Florio says SEVERAL of Watson's teammates have said that Watson has told them he wants to be traded, there is really no reason NOT to believe him. There is some real smoke here.
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there is reason to not believe them b/c Florio is a known troll. He puts out SEVERAL pieces like this every year on pretty much every team. Someone in another thread posted his track record on the whole Prescott thing with the Cowboys. Piece after piece of him just wildly speculating on what's going on...& none of that **** came close to being true and/or accurate. He is a pawn that agents use to their clients advantage to stir up ****....Nothing more. Aside from that, DW4 put in a no trade clause in his contract and b/c he just reupped for 156 million literally last year. And if anyone knows about the dysfunction in the org, he does. Dude has had a front row seat to it for quite a few years before he actually did reup.

and the national guys ESPECIALLY Florio aren’t as connected to each and every local team as they purport themselves to be. Often times it’s just 1 guy like him putting some garbage out & the rest pick it up and it spreads like wildfire. Plus we have seen time and time again these guys getting it wrong. It’s funny b/c the biggest trade all of last year with Nuk, we didn’t hear a peep out of any of these guys prior to it....it was only when it actually happened that they jumped on it. You would think that something that huge they’d be plugged in & they'd have broken it open beforehand....but they didnt. So now b/c a hack like Florio floated a he-said she-said story about him wanting to be traded b/c of the Caserio hire, we’re supposed to take that as “smoke” to the proverbial fire?

I have no doubt DW4 said something to somebody about something having to do with the word "trade" in it that was somehow relayed to Florio, but we don't have a clue as to what was actually said, nor the circumstances nor when it was actually said. So this whole ruckus was much to do about nothing b/c some guy with a national podcast got out in front of his skis.
 
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Texian said:
PATRIOTS HEAD COACH BILL BELICHICK ON SCOTT PIOLI
"To sum up in words everything Scott Pioli has meant to this organization and to me personally would be difficult, if not impossible. From the day I met him, he has demonstrated a passion for football and respect for the game that is second to none. It has been extremely gratifying for me to follow Scott's career ascension from the bottom of the totem pole in Cleveland to his place as a pillar of championship teams in New England. Now with the opportunity to steer his own ship and a vision of building a winner, there is no more capable, hardworking, loyal, team-oriented person than Scott Pioli."
"On a personal level, the Belichick-Pioli bond runs far deeper than our workplace, as we and our families have shared countless memories away from football. Working side by side with one of my best friends for almost two decades is special enough in itself. But to help each other achieve success beyond our dreams is a blessing and something I will always remember and appreciate."
Patriots issue statements on Scott Pioli
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One of the radio shows had a reporter from Boston to discuss Caserio. He mentioned that the difference between Pioli and Caserio is that Caserio is more open minded than Pioli and was willing to try new things and convince Belichick.

On the order hand, he said Pioli's approach was "it worked previously with the Giants, Pats and even Browns and it will still work now". Take it for what it's worth.
 
Texian said:
If you use a completely objective approach like many of the media guys who don't have a dog in this hunt, you wouldn't approach this from a position of denial. Whether you like him or not Florio is well connected. When Florio says SEVERAL of Watson's teammates have said that Watson has told them he wants to be traded, there is really no reason NOT to believe him. There is some real smoke here.
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:spit:

The same guy that said Dallas was trading Romo, the same guy that talked about Brady coming to Dallas, the same guy that said the Dolphins were trading for Burrow, the same guy that said Seattle was trading Wilson, the same guy that said Pats were trading for Odell Beckham JR. You seriously need to read that article CAT post above because it shows what a hack this guy is and what a bad reporter he is. He even contradicts himself in his own report "We’ve already heard them from multiple different people'' followed right after by "If that’s happening ...'' Either you have confirmation or you don't, can't be both.

Posting strictly to cite the source

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Will Deshaun Watson ask for a trade?

The Texans have suggested that they'll listen to quarterback Deshaun Watson when hiring a coach.
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Look I believe Watson might have been unhappy that he wasn't consulted on the decision and it was either stupid on the Texans part for letting him think he would be or stupid on Watson's part for reading more into what his role would be than was true. Frankly we don't know but I don't believe anything that comes out of Florio's mouth because the hack has tried to break a lot of blockbuster reports that had no truth to them. The smoke you see is him standing there holding a bunch of those smoke bombs you buy at the fireworks stand.
 
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Earl34 said:
One of the radio shows had a reporter from Boston to discuss Caserio. He mentioned that the difference between Pioli and Caserio is that Caserio is more open minded than Pioli and was willing to try new things and convince Belichick.

On the order hand, he said Pioli's approach was "it worked previously with the Giants, Pats and even Browns and it will still work now". Take it for what it's worth.
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My personal take is I don't give a lot of credence to Boston radio jock who may or may not have an undying love for Nick. I know Pioli was hyped as the next can't miss GTD must have NFL GM. History has also shown that almost all of Belichick's admin assistants are better clerks than they are managers because that's how Belichick trains them. And lastly, it's the Texans and Cal, so I have been programmed to expect the worse. They rarely disappoint. And very lastly, I think they trade Watson because they won't be able to pass on all the presents under the tree that will come with the trade and....... because they're THE TEXANS. That's my $4 WORTH!
 
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