powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Is it safe to say dw would be better with a stronger supporting cast cause the team around him now sucks?
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Is it safe to say dw would be better with a stronger supporting cast cause the team around him now sucks?
Sure and he still wouldn't be as good as Mahomes, even though this doesn't seem to be the narrative on this MB.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Mahomes has freakish talent dw can't match. Still, I think he'd be amazing with the supporting team mahomes has.
That's an easily proven narrative. It just doesn't fit yours.
You are in a very lonely minority who thinks DW4 is less than an elite, franchise-caliber QB. Believing is seeing with you.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Give me just a swap of Tyreek Hill (lined up in the slot) and Coutee and I absolutely believe the Texans would be the NFL's leading passing units. I wouldn't even need Kelce. Fells and Akins can man the TE position(s). Hill with Cooks and Fuller (if not for suspension), I believe I'd have the most dynamic passing attacks in the NFL with Watson behind center. That's my committee. I wouldn't need any other committee because executives and coaching candidates would be lining up to sign on here. And people would be questioning if Mahomes belongs in the same league as Watson. Objectively, the answer would be yes.
You give BO'b a revolving 6 years to make Houston a contender, but the next guy gets 2 years?
Do you think we've treated O'Brien unfairly?
In other words, you are speculating and have no proof that Watson said what you claimed. It's mighty funny you have no issue saying Watson said this, but when it comes to why Hopkins was traded for non-football reasons, you supposedly know why and clam up about it.
As I said, we all know this is nothing but a setup to blame DW4 for whatever goes wrong. Thanks for admitting it. As far as YOU holding people accountable, it's as significant and effective as barking at flying birds.
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If it wasn't for 51-7, he would have ignored the horrible GM moves and gladly given O'Brien 10 years.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
According to Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports, Patriots exec Nick Caserio is once again under consideration for the Houston GM job. As many of our readers probably remember, the Texans made a play for Caserio in June 2019, only to back out when the Pats threatened to file tampering charges.
Caserio is widely considered to be a top GM candidate, and though he did sign a two-year extension with New England in February, La Canfora says that the new deal prohibits the Pats from interfering with Caserio’s pursuit of a GM job. JLC adds that McNair remains high on Caserio.
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Caserio is widely considered to be a top GM candidate, and though he did sign a two-year extension with New England in February, La Canfora says that the new deal prohibits the Pats from interfering with Caserio’s pursuit of a GM job. JLC adds that McNair remains high on Caserio.
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badboy
Hall of Fame
Well just a darn minute! I bark at flying birds all the time.
Like I said before this is 2nd hand knowledge that came from a minority owner. You can choose to believe it or not.
I'm not setting anything up, DW4'S doing a fine job of this himself. I'm going to hold the new regime and DW4 to the same standards that BOB was held to by you and your merry band of excuse makers.
So if DW4'S not successful after getting his guy are you saying DW4 shouldn't share responsibility for the outcome, be it good or bad?
You can't have it both ways.
Nope, 51-7
Do you think it's wrong to hold the new regime to the same standard BOB was held too and if not why? AFCCG or bust in 2 yrs.
If it's easily probable then prove it. Oh that's right, you can't. You can have an opinion just like I can.
Your right seeing is believing and I haven't seen anything this yr that's made me change my opinion.
If you disagree with me TB and give me an unlike then by all means tell us what standard should DW4 be held too? Obviously you dont think he or the next regime should be held to the same standard you held BOB too. Why is this?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Bill O’Brien showed the entire world that he was a terrible head coach all on his own accord. Dude he didn’t need anyone’s help. You just placed him in your mind higher than he actually was. Unlike you I’ve given him his just do and I criticize him whenever he messed up.
Like Earl stated this is just a slick setup on your behalf. You want to be so right with your negative assessment of Watson. Lol at given him two years if they land the HC of Watson desire ( Netflix series Lucifer). Bump the fact that other key variables have to play their part in the equation.
What I’ve learned over the years of going back and forth with you on this forum. If we get the HC and GM that you wants, they will get the Bill O’Brien treatment from you. You will give them 5 years to build upon. And if things aren’t going as planned you will put the lion’s share of the blame on Watson.
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michaelm
vox nihili
Brady didn't leave millions on the table on his first big contract after his rookie deal.
Brady left money on the table after he was more than comfortable, tens of millions of times over, and with a wife who was even millions of times more comfortable than he was at the time.
Also Brady was already playing with house money so to speak because he had SB trophies on the shelf by the time he started giving the Patriots discounts. .
There should be zero expectation for DW to take that path on his first major contract.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Every player and coach are held to a high standard. You’re reading into my stance completely wrong as usual.
Texansballer74
The Marine
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Its easy to leave money on the table when your wife has significantly more money than you do. Giselle’s net worth is 400 million compared to 180 for Brady. I’ve said it before, we’ve got to find DW a sugar momma
Once the new regime fixes the mess that OB made of the salary cap, primarily all the drastic overpays of mediocre talent, then they should be held to the same standard. Unfortunately it might take more than 2 yrs, unless we hire a terrific GM and have some luck. Personally I’m hoping that we can find few Arian Fosters and AJ Bouyes in the next couple of yrs
Texansballer74
The Marine
The little Instagram model he’s dating now might not ever reach Giselle’s financial fortitude. Lol
Plan B could be to hook him up with a 200 million dollar shoe deal like Harden has. Apparently, Harden has so much $$$ a 2 yr 100 million dollar extension didn’t matter to him....
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
You have to ask yourself if Easterby was not trying to saboutage Caserio coming to the Texans when he met and sat next to Caserio before it was allowed. There is no way that Easterby didn't know about Caserio's limiting employment clause since both share the same agent. Not too sure that "under the surface," Easterby would now support the coming of Caserio.
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If only Ricky was around to help set the high standard for the new regime with core players like Watt, Joseph, Jackson, Hopkins, Fuller, Clowney, Bouye, Reader, and Mercilus.
Oh wait....Even with all that talent, O’Brien couldn’t get to a championship game in six years. What high standard did he set, meet or exceed? It's going to be a long four years looking at every nook and cranny to build strawman arguments and false narratives to blame Watson for everything. At some point, I expect a post about the NRG roof is not open because DW4 doesn't like it open. That's how ridiculous it will get.
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who said AFCCG or bust in 2016?
We just wanted him to have an offense by that time & he was still playing QB roulette. Not his fault, I get it. But the point is no one expected BO’b to be in the AFCCG with Oz & Tom Savage.
When he traded two 1sts & a 2nd for Tunsil, Stills, & a 4th, that’s when I said I’m good with the trade if it equates to an AFCCG in two years, which isn’t looking likely right now.
So by that standard, yeah when the new Regime trades away two years of 1st & 2nd round picks & maxed out the cap, there’s no other way to look at it.
Agree. In fact. Any objective fan can see the talent gap O'Brien inherited for his first two years and what the new regime will inherit is night and day. Besides Reid, who on the current defense would you take over someone on the defense O'Brien inherited?
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So why wouldn't you hold the new regime to the same standards after a couple of yrs? Do you think this is a rebuild situation? More importntly do you think Cal thinks this is a rebuild situation?
It shouldn't take more than 2 yrs.
But say it takes 4 yrs then that will put DW4 in what yr 8 or 9? That's why I say the Texans are in the middle of the lost decade.
Before Brady got with Giselle he was with Bridgette and he was the major bread winner. He still left $$$$ on the table back then.
God no.
I didn't say seeing is believing. I said believing is seeing.
The evidence is there for anyone to see. I'm not doing the legwork for you.
Hopefully he can do these things against top tier defenses. He's not a bad QB. Unlike what this dude says, he's not in Mahomes league. I also disagree with him saying that everything around DW4 needs to be fixed.
I'm not sure what legwork you thought I wanted you to do?
It's not proveable. It's an opinion and our opinions differ.
It’s not the same standard, I don’t understand what you are trying to say.
The goal for the next regime is to get past the Divisional Round. That’s as far as Kubiak took them & BO’b could not do better
If the new HC gets three divisional games in 6 years I’d say that’s an improvement. Or advance beyond the divisional round in 6 years is an improvement.
Anything less & he ain’t done nothing.
I think there are some serious cuts coming. No way around it.
Texansballer74
The Marine
He just did. Aren’t the Colts a top rated defensive. He also did this against the Steelers. Especially in the first half of that game.
He was mainly talking about the front office. Something we both said were dysfunctional.
5 yrs to go with the first 4 yrs equals a lost decade.
I honestly don’t remember him leaving money on the table. As far as the funny money contract shell games they play in the NFL, it looked like he was taking less. But real dollars, Money in his pocket dollars, he brought home as much as anyone.
So in other words if they accomplish what BOB did plus one more divisional rd game then that's improvement. This truly is the lost decade.
Agreed there should be some serious cuts coming. If they tear it completely down and rebuild then I will give the new regime more credit and time. I dont see this happening though.
Tell me what standard are you going to hold the new regime too?
Like I said Brady gave the Pats breaks before he got with Giselle. (Bridgette)
DW4 chose not to take this path and because of this there will be no championships. 26 yrs of proof tells you this.
He did as well as any team did in Ricky's 12 yrs here. Sure the Texans had star level players under Ricky. What the didn't have was depth or solid players. Why because Ricky sucked in RDs 2-4 of the draft. There's a reason he cant get a GM job even with all of his politicking. BTW, dont take this as a defense of BOB the GM either. Look at the last draft class. Nobody has really contributed.
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It's too early to say this. Money was smaller back then but I'm pretty sure Brady's 1st extension was relatively out of whack.
When it's time to write the check, then we can say he did or he didn't. As far as the scheduled payments go at this moment I believe Watson's contract is the same as Mahomes. Two years from now, they'll both be expecting a huge check.
0 points in the 2nd half
There's a trend with the Texans and I dont think this is all on DW4,
1. They never score pts on the 1st drive of the game.
2. Each game they usually go a half (Be it the 1st half or the 2nd half) without scoring points.
26 yrs and unless they win a championship in the next 2 yrs, it's not going to happen. Hence the lost decade.
They've scored on one of 13 first drives.
That tells me the scouting & game planning is crap.
I honestly don't know what you're saying
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
LOL, dude stop pushing their buttons...you know Tom didn't leave money on the table on his second contract and he wasn't with Bridget yet. Let's play the comparison game. Put Tom at the same age as DW, on a very underwhelming team and in today's NFL salary environment.
They do now?