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76Texan said:
I don't know about others, but my no. 1 was Mahomes, so it wasn't me who said that Watson would be a superstar if he was drafted by the Chiefs.

I do think strongly that he'd been quite better than being with the Texans.

.....

I never cared about separate evaluation on QBs by anybody because I've seen some of the best in the business (like Greg Cossell) miss on them badly.

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PFF is constantly bad though.
Not only you'd have to mortgage the team to trade up to draft Trubisky, but you would also miss on Mahomes at 29 (where they slotted him).
www.google.com

PFF admits they were too low on Patrick Mahomes during 2017 NFL draft

PFF went over some of their NFL draft misses during recent years.
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I get it and again keep in mind that when I posted the article I didn't even look at where they slotted him I looked entirely at what they said his strengths and weaknesses are and tried to remember how closely that matched what I read on the NFL.com one. I wish I could find that because its strictly a scouting report and doesn't project anything but what round they will be drafted in. Now I do think scouts and draft predictors get a bad rap because their job is to predict the future and if they get it wrong then they are considered bad at their job even though there are so many factors that its insane. Would Trubisky have been better if KC had drafted him? Would Mahomes have been as good if Chicago drafted him? These are questions we will never know the answers to but they are factors that have to be considered if you are a draft predictor evaluating a QB.

Thats why I pretty much just read the strengths and weaknesses and then compare it to what others people/sites say. It's by no means perfect but if multiple people are saying the same thing then its worth considering what they are saying and taking a look at.
 
maverick512000 said:
I get it and again keep in mind that when I posted the article I didn't even look at where they slotted him I looked entirely at what they said his strengths and weaknesses are and tried to remember how closely that matched what I read on the NFL.com one. I wish I could find that because its strictly a scouting report and doesn't project anything but what round they will be drafted in. Now I do think scouts and draft predictors get a bad rap because their job is to predict the future and if they get it wrong then they are considered bad at their job even though there are so many factors that its insane. Would Trubisky have been better if KC had drafted him? Would Mahomes have been as good if Chicago drafted him? These are questions we will never know the answers to but they are factors that have to be considered if you are a draft predictor evaluating a QB.

Thats why I pretty much just read the strengths and weaknesses and then compare it to what others people/sites say. It's by no means perfect but if multiple people are saying the same thing then its worth considering what they are saying and taking a look at.
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2017 was a crazy year.
The QB class ranking was all over the place by different experts and media people.

You know Mike Mayock, the current Raiders' GM, right?
He worked for the NFL Network back then, and he had Watson as the top prospect.

www.nfl.com

Mike Mayock's 2017 NFL Draft position rankings 3.0

There's big movement across the board in Mike Mayock's latest positional rankings, including a new No. 1 at quarterback, wide receiver and safety.
www.nfl.com www.nfl.com

Bucky Brooks, the other anylist for the NFL Network had Kizer at no. 1 and Watson at no. 3

2017 NFL Draft: DeShone Kizer, Mitch Trubisky top QB prospects

This year's draft doesn't have a consensus top dog at quarterback, with varying opinions on DeShone Kizer, Mitch Trubisky and Deshaun Watson. How do they stack up in Bucky Brooks' QB rankings?
www.google.com
 
maverick512000 said:
This is a false narrative that is being spread around here. Those of us criticizing Watson are not doing it based on one game or one season but based on seeing the same mistakes pretty much since his first season that NFL teams had some tape on him. For me I don't blame Watson for our 1-6 record because this team, especially defense side, is crap and crap teams have crap records. Likewise though I know pretty much all the coaching staff will be gone and I expect many of the players to be gone in the next 2-3 years. Watson, Tunsil and maybe JJ are the only three players that we know will stick around so they are the only three really worth talking about. Of those three Watson has the microscope on him because hey that comes with the job of QB.

Despite what some on here say I really am hoping that a new HC can turn things around because there is so much talent in Watson it's just stupid. If a new HC can then happy days are here and the Texans are a force to be feared. If, however, a new HC can't then logically we have to consider that Watson, though talented, is not the franchise QB we hope he is and paid him like and the Texans have a very big problem.
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Quoted for truth

Also DW4'S going to be scrutinized because he's on the search committee and he gets what he wants. See: DW4 saying that WFV wasn't going to be traded and WFV'S still here. If the new regime fails alot of that will be because of DW4.
 
maverick512000 said:
I wish I could find that because its strictly a scouting report and doesn't project anything but what round they will be drafted in.
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The two-time Heisman Trophy finalist took the Clemson program to another level, resulting in the school's first national championship in more than 30 years. Starting five games as a true freshman and winning four (14 touchdowns against just two interceptions), the 2013 Georgia Gatorade Player of the Year immediately showed he belonged, even though he had to have surgery on a torn ACL after the season. In his sophomore season, Watson led his team to the National Championship (4,104 passing yards, 35 passing touchdowns; 1,105 rushing yards, including 12 scores) and won the Davey O'Brien and Payton Manning Awards as the nation's top quarterback. Watson didn't take home as much hardware in 2016, but he still led Clemson to a national title while garnering second-team All-American honors (4,593 yards, 41 TDs, 17 INTs, 67.0 completion pct; 629 yards, nine TDs rushing).
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Overview
Teams will have to weigh the inconsistent field vision and decision-making against his size, athleticism, leadership and production. While not perfect, teams can add checks to both arm and accuracy boxes for Watson. However, discussions about whether or not his areas of improvement can be corrected will likely determine whether a team will view him as a high-upside prospect or a franchise quarterback. Watson's transition from Clemson's offense to a pro-style attack will obviously take time, but his combination of intangibles and athletic ability make him worth a first-round selection.
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Deshaun Watson Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

All Combine and Draft-Related Analysis, News, Video, and Biographical Information for Deshaun Watson
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maverick512000 said:
I get it and again keep in mind that when I posted the article I didn't even look at where they slotted him I looked entirely at what they said his strengths and weaknesses are and tried to remember how closely that matched what I read on the NFL.com one. I wish I could find that because its strictly a scouting report and doesn't project anything but what round they will be drafted in. Now I do think scouts and draft predictors get a bad rap because their job is to predict the future and if they get it wrong then they are considered bad at their job even though there are so many factors that its insane. Would Trubisky have been better if KC had drafted him? Would Mahomes have been as good if Chicago drafted him? These are questions we will never know the answers to but they are factors that have to be considered if you are a draft predictor evaluating a QB.

Thats why I pretty much just read the strengths and weaknesses and then compare it to what others people/sites say. It's by no means perfect but if multiple people are saying the same thing then its worth considering what they are saying and taking a look at.
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I was mentioning Greg Cosell; here, take a look of what he had to say about the 2017 class.
He had Davis Webb at no. 1, Trubisky at no. 2, and Watson at no. 3

www.google.com

No consensus for top quarterbacks ahead of NFL draft

With the NFL draft now less than a week away, assessments of this year’s quarterbacks are still all over the map.
www.google.com www.google.com

Such was the state of QB prospect analysis for 2017.
 
76Texan said:
I was mentioning Greg Cosell; here, take a look of what he had to say about the 2017 class.
He had Davis Webb at no. 1, Trubisky at no. 2, and Watson at no. 3

www.google.com

No consensus for top quarterbacks ahead of NFL draft

With the NFL draft now less than a week away, assessments of this year’s quarterbacks are still all over the map.
www.google.com www.google.com

Such was the state of QB prospect analysis for 2017.
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To be fair most people were sleeping on Mahomes until he blew people away at the combine. If I recall I think it was because of Texas Tech system or something, I don't follow much college really so I'm not sure on that.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Quoted for truth

Also DW4'S going to be scrutinized because he's on the search committee and he gets what he wants. See: DW4 saying that WFV wasn't going to be traded and WFV'S still here. If the new regime fails alot of that will be because of DW4.
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What isn't true about this post Earl?
 
steelbtexan said:
Quoted for truth

Also DW4'S going to be scrutinized because he's on the search committee and he gets what he wants. See: DW4 saying that WFV wasn't going to be traded and WFV'S still here. If the new regime fails alot of that will be because of DW4.
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You're amazing. The new regime will fail because of Watson. The old regime failed because of Watson. Rick Smith is gone because of Watson.


But O'Brien & his offense which was piss poor before Watson & wasn't winning games (it was the defense) before Watson had no affect on Watson.

You're a peach.
 
thunderkyss said:
You're amazing. The new regime will fail because of Watson. The old regime failed because of Watson. Rick Smith is gone because of Watson.


But O'Brien & his offense which was piss poor before Watson & wasn't winning games (it was the defense) before Watson had no affect on Watson.

You're a peach.
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I thought Rick Smith was gone because of Osweiler? I really can't keep up with what we're blaming RS for any more. :kitten:
 
thunderkyss said:
You're amazing. The new regime will fail because of Watson. The old regime failed because of Watson. Rick Smith is gone because of Watson.


But O'Brien & his offense which was piss poor before Watson & wasn't winning games (it was the defense) before Watson had no affect on Watson.

You're a peach.
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Wait a minute .....

Before Watson .....

2014 9-7 with Fitzy
2015 9-7 with Hoyer
2016 9-7 with Osweiler
 
maverick512000 said:
To be fair most people were sleeping on Mahomes until he blew people away at the combine. If I recall I think it was because of Texas Tech system or something, I don't follow much college really so I'm not sure on that.
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The combine was done by March 5th; all the evaluations and rankings I saw last were all post-combine and pre-draft.
 
welsh texan said:
The Ravens game sticks out as a poor showing. There were other slow starts also. I’m not here to argue with you, though, I’m open minded on where Watson will end up, hopeful he is top drawer and the season he is having is pointing in the right direction.

What we see under a new coach next season will likely define his professional career.
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why are you saying the word argue. All I did was ask a simple question to see which games Watson basically padded his stats. Was Brady trying to pad his stats last night in a game in which the Saints dominated? This is something every team and quarterbacks does. But hey I won’t ask you anymore questions since you think I’m trying to argue with you
 
dream_team said:
TK was saying we were winning during those years because of the defense, the offense was horrible.

2014
- 21st Offense DVOA
- 6th Defense DVOA

2015
- 25th Offense DVOA
- 7th Defense DVOA

2016
- 30th Offense DVOA
- 8th Defense DVOA
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Good post. Again proving my point that BOB was the Texans' version of Brian Billick. An OC gets a HC job because of his reputation as an offensive minded guy and proceeds to have some of the worst NFL offenses. Unfortunately, for us, the defense wasn't great enough to carry his mediocre offense to a Super Bowl.
 
Texansballer74 said:
why are you saying the word argue. All I did was ask a simple question to see which games Watson basically padded his stats. Was Brady trying to pad his stats last night in a game in which the Saints dominated? This is something every team and quarterbacks does. But hey I won’t ask you anymore questions since you think I’m trying to argue with you
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Because I see this coming a mile off! It hasn’t all been cigars and croissants since Watson was drafted, a balanced view of his play will always be somewhat critical, but you don’t like to read that.
 
maverick512000 said:
To be fair most people were sleeping on Mahomes until he blew people away at the combine. If I recall I think it was because of Texas Tech system or something, I don't follow much college really so I'm not sure on that.
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I had Mahomes as my #1 choice long before that .... I didn't really like Trubisky but knew that some teams really liked him .... They went in the order I expected. Not the order I would have taken them.
 
Earl34 said:
Good post. Again proving my point that BOB was the Texans' version of Brian Billick. An OC gets a HC job because of his reputation as an offensive minded guy and proceeds to have some of the worst NFL offenses. Unfortunately, for us, the defense wasn't great enough to carry his mediocre offense to a Super Bowl.
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The 2014 offense with Fitzy running the show was the second best scoring offense of OB's tenure ranking 14th in the league.
That team also had the second best defense of the time period ranked #7.

OB's best offense was 11th in 2018 while the defense was ranked 4th that year.

Did the defense carry the load for Watson or just for Fitzy ?


2014
Points For: 372 (23.3/g) 14th of 32

Points Against: 307 (19.2/g) 7th of 32

2015
Points For: 339 (21.2/g) 21st of 32

Points Against: 313 (19.6/g) 7th of 32

2016
Points For: 279 (17.4/g) 28th of 32

Points Against: 328 (20.5/g) 11th of 32

2017
Points For: 338 (21.1/g) 17th of 32

Points Against: 436 (27.3/g) 32nd of 32


2018
Points For: 402 (25.1/g) 11th of 32

Points Against: 316 (19.8/g) 4th of 32

2019
Points For: 378 (23.6/g) 14th of 32

Points Against: 385 (24.1/g) 19th of 32

2020
Points For: 193 (24.1/g) 21st of 32

Points Against: 242 (30.3/g) 29th of 32
 
welsh texan said:
Because I see this coming a mile off! It hasn’t all been cigars and croissants since Watson was drafted, a balanced view of his play will always be somewhat critical, but you don’t like to read that.
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Dude I always keep it 100 with any freaking player. So you’re wrong about seeing anything a mile away. If Watson have a bad game you can best believe I will be the first to point that out. I’ve brought up what he needs to improve on since he became a Texan. This is a sports forum so I thought debating was welcomed here. I guess not since you thought completely wrong here. And what’s funny I was actually in agreement with most of your point of view. I just wanted to know which games he padded his stats. Something I see every freaking quarterback and team does. Last night Brady should’ve been pulled but his coaching was still trying to get him and the Buccaneers going. Or was they trying to pad his stats?
 
Texansballer74 said:
Dude I always keep it 100 with any freaking player. So you’re wrong about seeing anything a mile away. If Watson have a bad game you can best believe I will be the first to point that out. I’ve brought up what he needs to improve on since he became a Texan. This is a sports forum so I thought debating was welcomed here. I guess not since you thought completely wrong here. And what’s funny I was actually in agreement with most of your point of view. I just wanted to know which games he padded his stats. Something I see every freaking quarterback and team does. Last night Brady should’ve been pulled but his coaching was still trying to get him and the Buccaneers going. Or was they trying to pad his stats?
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Why TB kept Brady out there in garbage time was beyond me. Anyone want to try and imagine the uproar in TB had Brady been lost for the season b/c he was still in the game when the 4th quarter started and down 31-0......any guesses?
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
Why TB kept Brady out there in garbage time was beyond me. Anyone want to try and imagine the uproar in TB had Brady been lost for the season b/c he was still in the game when 4th quarter started and down 31-0......any guesses?
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The Saints pulled Drew lol and put Winston in the game. But my thing is this new narrative that’s flooding this forum now. Watson padding his stats in garbage time.

Man I love this forum lol
 
Corrosion said:
The 2014 offense with Fitzy running the show was the second best scoring offense of OB's tenure ranking 14th in the league.
That team also had the second best defense of the time period ranked #7.

OB's best offense was 11th in 2018 while the defense was ranked 4th that year.

Did the defense carry the load for Watson or just for Fitzy ?


2014
Points For: 372 (23.3/g) 14th of 32

Points Against: 307 (19.2/g) 7th of 32

2015
Points For: 339 (21.2/g) 21st of 32

Points Against: 313 (19.6/g) 7th of 32

2016
Points For: 279 (17.4/g) 28th of 32

Points Against: 328 (20.5/g) 11th of 32

2017
Points For: 338 (21.1/g) 17th of 32

Points Against: 436 (27.3/g) 32nd of 32


2018
Points For: 402 (25.1/g) 11th of 32

Points Against: 316 (19.8/g) 4th of 32

2019
Points For: 378 (23.6/g) 14th of 32

Points Against: 385 (24.1/g) 19th of 32

2020
Points For: 193 (24.1/g) 21st of 32

Points Against: 242 (30.3/g) 29th of 32
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I'm not sure the point you want to argue. You posted about the offenses before Watson. BOB was hired for his reputation on the offensive side of the ball. If the majority of his time here the defense was better coached and ranked higher than the offense, the defense carried him.

If you want to discuss Watson. If the defense was a top 10 unit and Watson was the QB of a mediocre offense, then the defense also carried him. I don't have a double standard.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
The Saints pulled Drew lol and put Winston in the game. But my thing is this new narrative that’s flooding this forum now. Watson padding his stats in garbage time.

Man I love this forum lol
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I guess this is what happens when your favorite team sucks. Good discussions gets scarce and illogical hot takes rules the day.

When Brady and the Patriots were winning all of those games and Super Bowls. Belichick is notorious for running up the score. I wonder if their fans were complaining about garbage time stats they compiled running up the score on those terrible Dolphins, Jets and Bills teams?

Peyton Manning spent his career playing games in a division with two expansion teams. I don't recall him letting up against the Texans. I don't recall anyone saying he won that game, but most of those stats were after he was up 2-3 scores against those expansion teams or that team temporarily playing in Memphis without a home field advantage.
 
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Corrosion said:
The 2014 offense with Fitzy running the show was the second best scoring offense of OB's tenure ranking 14th in the league.
That team also had the second best defense of the time period ranked #7.

OB's best offense was 11th in 2018 while the defense was ranked 4th that year.

Did the defense carry the load for Watson or just for Fitzy ?
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In 2014 Fitsy started 12 games & went 6-6.
In 2014 the AFC South Division record was 25-39 .390

In 2018 Watson started 16 games & went 11-5.
In 2018 the AFC South Division record was 35-29 .546

Just as a side note Watt had 20.5 sacks & scored 5 touchdowns in 2014.
 
mws said:
In 2014 Fitsy started 12 games & went 6-6.
In 2014 the AFC South Division record was 25-39 .390

In 2018 Watson started 16 games & went 11-5.
In 2018 the AFC South Division record was 35-29 .546

Just as a side note Watt had 20.5 sacks & scored 5 touchdowns in 2014.
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Great post. Context matters.
 
steelbtexan said:
The Clemson offense wont work in the NFL because of different rules in college vs NFL.

DW4 would do well in the Ravens offense.
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The Ravens offense works because Jackson is an explosive runner. Watson is not the same type of runner or poses the same type of threat. Finally, the Texans do not have the OL, RB or TEs to run that offense.
 
Earl34 said:
I guess this is what happens when your favorite team sucks. Good discussions gets scarce and illogical hot takes rules the day.

When Brady and the Patriots were winning all of those games and Super Bowls. Belichick is notorious for running up the score. I wonder if their fans were complaining about garbage time stats they compiled running up the score on those terrible Dolphins, Jets and Bills teams?

Peyton Manning spent his career playing games in a division with two expansion teams. I don't recall him letting up against the Texans. I don't recall anyone saying he won that game, but most of those stats were after he was up 2-3 scores against those expansion teams or that team temporarily playing in Memphis without a home field advantage.
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Bro they were complaining even after the two seasons in which we won 10+ games with Watson as the starter. It’s actually getting worse by the minute around these parts lol. So bad that they are talking about padding stats in garbage time. Talk about unbelievable but really entertaining.
 
Earl34 said:
The Ravens offense works because Jackson is an explosive runner. Watson is not the same type of runner or poses the same type of threat. Finally, the Texans do not have the OL, RB or TEs to run that offense.
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I think Watson would do extremely well on the Ravens. The Ravens offense doesn't work because Jackson is an explosive runner its because the coaching staff custom built it to play to Jackson's strengths, which happens to be running. I think Watson could be better than Jackson, I'm not actually that impressed with Jackson and yes thats coming from a Ravens fan, but he can't just be fitted into any system like a Manning can. He has to have a system built for him and if you think he is the guy then he should have a system built for him.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Dude I always keep it 100 with any freaking player. So you’re wrong about seeing anything a mile away. If Watson have a bad game you can best believe I will be the first to point that out. I’ve brought up what he needs to improve on since he became a Texan. This is a sports forum so I thought debating was welcomed here. I guess not since you thought completely wrong here. And what’s funny I was actually in agreement with most of your point of view. I just wanted to know which games he padded his stats. Something I see every freaking quarterback and team does. Last night Brady should’ve been pulled but his coaching was still trying to get him and the Buccaneers going. Or was they trying to pad his stats?
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And yet I asked you a simple question of "What are Watson's weaknesses" and you not only didn't answer you down voted it.
 
maverick512000 said:
I think Watson would do extremely well on the Ravens. The Ravens offense doesn't work because Jackson is an explosive runner its because the coaching staff custom built it to play to Jackson's strengths, which happens to be running. I think Watson could be better than Jackson, I'm not actually that impressed with Jackson and yes thats coming from a Ravens fan, but he can't just be fitted into any system like a Manning can. He has to have a system built for him and if you think he is the guy then he should have a system built for him.
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He would do great with Reid and KC too. He would thrive in San Francisco and several other franchises.
 
mws said:
In 2014 Fitsy started 12 games & went 6-6.
In 2014 the AFC South Division record was 25-39 .390

In 2018 Watson started 16 games & went 11-5.
In 2018 the AFC South Division record was 35-29 .546

Just as a side note Watt had 20.5 sacks & scored 5 touchdowns in 2014.
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2014 = Foster + Defense + bad AFC South
Fitz was just a game manager.

In 2018, the Texans won partly with Watson on the ground.
2018 = Watson + Defense
 
Texansballer74 said:
Dude I’ve been expounded on that , where the umps have you been. What’s crazy is both Corrosion and Steel agreed and liked that breakdown. I am not about to repeat that to appease you home boy.
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So its ok for you to beat dead horses and ignore others explanations and clarifications but when I asked you something its "where the umps have you been" and "I am not about to repeat that to appease you home boy". Ok good to know you are working on a double standard, makes it that much easier to know what your thinking is. Seriously man do you realize how immature you are sounding right now?
 
Texansballer74 said:
So now 280+ yards 2 touchdowns no interceptions and leading his team in rushing is considered not good.

Wow is all I can say at this point. Lol
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not trying to get caught up in the disagreement but I like those stats just thought Dashaun would do much better against that defense. I told my friends before game I expected 50 points directly attributed to his passing, handing off to others for TDs and rushing himself for points. Mom knew a B was good for me but kept wishing for A. Man, a C? you would have thought I had just told her I was going to be a beach bum for my life.
 
maverick512000 said:
Same reason some people believe theories no matter how much evidence from any number of sources is presented to them against it. A person commits themselves to an idea or a viewpoint and anything challenging that view point is taken as a personal attack. It’s actually fascinating how many people here are Watson fans first and Texan fans second. I can’t blame them as the Texans have been so sad to watch and Watson is exciting but it still is fascinating to me.
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Very good post and something I see in my personal life away from MB. Yes, I do have one.
 
Corrosion said:
Did the defense carry the load for Watson or just for Fitzy ?
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This is getting farther from the point. Regardless who was QB, the defense won most of the games under BO’b to a point. That point where the defense could no longer win games.

I’m guessing you’ll argue it was the special teams that won those games & that might be the case. But we’re 4 games post chin & we’re seeing the offense is in shambles top to bottom. Yes, Watson is part of that. But he’s not going to develop like he should in what BO’b left.

Same goes for Sharping, Howard, Akins...


I don’t know, but something tells me Duke Johnson has never produced so poorly in Cleveland.
 
maverick512000 said:
So its ok for you to beat dead horses and ignore others explanations and clarifications but when I asked you something its "where the umps have you been" and "I am not about to repeat that to appease you home boy". Ok good to know you are working on a double standard, makes it that much easier to know what your thinking is. Seriously man do you realize how immature you are sounding right now?
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So quick to throw the double standards **** around when you’re actually doing the same freakin thing. Good to know it’s ok for people to dump on one player all the time without and fn backlash from you. The nerve of you to even say some bloody crap like this to me.

Great deflection there ole buddy .
 
76Texan said:
2017 was a crazy year.
The QB class ranking was all over the place by different experts and media people.

You know Mike Mayock, the current Raiders' GM, right?
He worked for the NFL Network back then, and he had Watson as the top prospect.

www.nfl.com

Mike Mayock's 2017 NFL Draft position rankings 3.0

There's big movement across the board in Mike Mayock's latest positional rankings, including a new No. 1 at quarterback, wide receiver and safety.
www.nfl.com www.nfl.com

Bucky Brooks, the other anylist for the NFL Network had Kizer at no. 1 and Watson at no. 3

2017 NFL Draft: DeShone Kizer, Mitch Trubisky top QB prospects

This year's draft doesn't have a consensus top dog at quarterback, with varying opinions on DeShone Kizer, Mitch Trubisky and Deshaun Watson. How do they stack up in Bucky Brooks' QB rankings?
www.google.com
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Mayock's evaluation was why I had hope he would put together a huge package for Watson last off season.
 
Texansballer74 said:
So quick to throw the double standards **** around when you’re actually doing the same freakin thing. Good to know it’s ok for people to dump on one player all the time without and fn backlash from you. The nerve of you to even say some bloody crap like this to me.

Great deflection there ole buddy .
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Somebody's feelings are hurt.

Did you ever answer his questions?
 
Texansballer74 said:
He would do great with Reid and KC too. He would thrive in San Francisco and several other franchises.
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Maybe/Maybe not,

I f Bienemy is DW4's choice as HC and DW4 doesn't improve yr 1 what will the excuses be?

How long will you give DW4 under Bienemy to improve his weaknesses since you think all that's been missing for DW4 to reach greatness is a new HC with a Reid background? Look at other Reid disciples now and their QB's Pederson/Nagy, their offenses look like crap.
 
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