I think soBO’b called the plays?
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I think soBO’b called the plays?
Let’s see, 3rd quarter, down by 17, and on a 10 play drive you’re running the ball 7 times? Doesn’t really matter who the play caller is if the philosophy is flawed.BO’b called the plays?
What bothers me is at the end of the 3rd qtr DW4 completed a pass and there was 23 seconds left in the qtr. The Texans couldn't get a play off before the end of the qtr. I dont know if this is Kelly not getting the play in in time, or DW4 couldn't get the play off in time. But this has to change.Let’s see, 3rd quarter, down by 17, and on a 10 play drive you’re running the ball 7 times? Doesn’t really matter who the play caller is if the philosophy is flawed.
Noticed it to. More bad clock management.What bothers me is at the end of the 3rd qtr DW4 completed a pass and there was 23 seconds left in the qtr. The Texans couldn't get a play off before the end of the qtr. I dont know if this is Kelly not getting the play in in time, or DW4 couldn't get the play off in time. But this has to change.
I think so
......OB 2.0What I'm saying is for months most of us called for Kelly to call plays as if it would correct things as he has better repoire with Dashaun. At minimum he could be no worse. No one thought Kelly would bring different game plan than O'Brien's.
What happened? Let's not change the conversation many of us had. Let Kelly call plays and manage/guide #4. Well he did and what happened?
What are you talking about? I discovered the truth in 2014 and never lived in denial. Now it's 2020 and the truth becomes more and more relevant each and every season. OB is not and will not ever be a great HC much less a GM. The man has scorched through QB's trying to find one who can execute his vaunted high octane offense.....whoops, not his offense. Trying to find someone who can make his crappy, ill-advised, and completely predictable offense look great. Big secret......that QB doesn't exist!!! OB needs to hit the door with his staff in tow before they have enough time to destroy another QB whiile setting this franchise back years.Doesn't matter, more excuses.
Over the next 4 yrs fans will either discover the truth, or comtinue to live in denial.
Saints & SteelersBesides the Patriots with Brady and Belichick. Over the past two years, does anyone know how many teams have won Super Bowls running the EP offense?
Neither of them have won in the last two yearsSaints & Steelers
Here is my biggest problem with OBrien and his regime. He promotes from within as if these guys from within deserve accolades or accomplished anything. Kelly has been with BOB since Penn St, but what has he done? What did O'BRIEN do as a play caller? Weaver was the dline coach. Was the dline developed into some monsters? Yet, MCVEIGH goes and get someone he's never worked with. There isnt a single assest that the Texas does exceptionally under O'BRIEN. On the bright side, I'm not sure this was the owners mission, there is nobody else to blame for O'BRIEN. He traded Clowney and rewarded Whitney. He traded Hopkins. He signed Eric Murray. If this team fails, its all on him and the next head coach has Watson for the next 5 years.I'm on board with this
No more excuses.
Unfortunately it's going to be 4 more yrs of this crap and that's totally on ownership.
I've really got to see Watson without OB in the equation before I heap a ton of blame on him. Watson will make mistakes throughout his entire career as will most NFL QB's. I just don't think OB has or has ever had the players to successfully run whatever his offense is in anyone's mind. I do think Watson could be much more successful with a different HC, OC and offensive system.I believe most of us think that 2020 is a show me season for O'Brien. A smaller percentage of us believe it is also for Deshaun Watson. The McNair's have locked themselves into two expensive contracts with their HC and their QB. One can be moved much easier than the other if Janice decides.
Most predicted a 6 or less win season and we are on that path and it would be difficult to find anyone thinking we will not be 0-2 probably including Bill, Cal and Janice. I guess we are on track. On track to where is why I am interested.
Many also voiced that 2020 will be a "throw away year"; sad but it apparently has to be.
Ok.. But that isn't happening at least for now.I've really got to see Watson without OB in the equation before I heap a ton of blame on him. Watson will make mistakes throughout his entire career as will most NFL QB's. I just don't think OB has or has ever had the players to successfully run whatever his offense is in anyone's mind. I do think Watson could be much more successful with a different HC, OC and offensive system.
OB's stubbornness to change or modify his attack to fit Watson's skillset will eventually cost him his job before it cost(s) Watson his job.Ok.. But that isn't happening at least for now.
Although Payton is associated with Parcells and the EP offense, with the Saints he actually runs his version of Jon Gruden’s WCO.Saints & Steelers
I've really got to see Watson without OB in the equation before I heap a ton of blame on him. Watson will make mistakes throughout his entire career as will most NFL QB's. I just don't think OB has or has ever had the players to successfully run whatever his offense is in anyone's mind. I do think Watson could be much more successful with a different HC, OC and offensive system.
The next HC will have the same issues.What are you talking about? I discovered the truth in 2014 and never lived in denial. Now it's 2020 and the truth becomes more and more relevant each and every season. OB is not and will not ever be a great HC much less a GM. The man has scorched through QB's trying to find one who can execute his vaunted high octane offense.....whoops, not his offense. Trying to find someone who can make his crappy, ill-advised, and completely predictable offense look great. Big secret......that QB doesn't exist!!! OB needs to hit the door with his staff in tow before they have enough time to destroy another QB whiile setting this franchise back years.
I may be wrong but I always thought Payton ran a West Coast and "Air Coryell" hybrid offense.Although Payton is associated with Parcells and the EP offense, with the Saints he actually runs his version of Jon Gruden’s WCO.
You're probably correct and it's a good description of the Gulf Coast offense. It's definitely not EP.I may be wrong but I always thought Payton ran a West Coast and "Air Coryell" hybrid offense.
Sean Payton is a West Coast guy.Saints & Steelers
Just shows his poor talent evaluation isn’t limited to players.Here is my biggest problem with OBrien and his regime. He promotes from within as if these guys from within deserve accolades or accomplished anything. Kelly has been with BOB since Penn St, but what has he done? What did O'BRIEN do as a play caller? Weaver was the dline coach. Was the dline developed into some monsters? Yet, MCVEIGH goes and get someone he's never worked with. There isnt a single assest that the Texas does exceptionally under O'BRIEN. On the bright side, I'm not sure this was the owners mission, there is nobody else to blame for O'BRIEN. He traded Clowney and rewarded Whitney. He traded Hopkins. He signed Eric Murray. If this team fails, its all on him and the next head coach has Watson for the next 5 years.
Payton learned under Parclls. The very name of the EP offense.I may be wrong but I always thought Payton ran a West Coast and "Air Coryell" hybrid offense.
Even when with the Giants, Payton was running a WCO.Payton learned under Parclls. The very name of the EP offense.
Payton's version of the EP offense is what the offense should look like.
No wonder they aren't any good.The next HC will have the same issues.
You call Hoyer/Is NFL QBs? Fitz and Hoyer both said they learned more about QB play under BoB than any HC they've had.
I question how good he really is and if that contract was a colossal mistake that will be an anchor upon this franchise for the next 3 years minimum , can't trade nor cut him for at least the next 3 years.
If Peyton is running the EP offense then he is targeting Michael Thomas even more frequently than Hopkins was being targeted. Fortunately, for Saints fans, he is not running the EP offense.Payton learned under Parclls. The very name of the EP offense.
Payton's version of the EP offense is what the offense should look like.
I never called them that....OB did when he signed them. As for their success, what was their success for the Texans besides a personal best season?The next HC will have the same issues.
You call Hoyer/Is NFL QBs? Fitz and Hoyer both said they learned more about QB play under BoB than any HC they've had.
We have .... and I think its a debatable subject , however unpopular it may be.
Seems like we've been here before.
then should we also consider the chances of any team running the EP offense without Belichick, Brady or both is also slim to none?
Maybe because Mahomes didn't play as a rookie?As for Watson, his first 6 games minus OB's real input equated to some rookie records that "even" the great Mahomes didn't better.
Steelers? Though they don't look the same to my eyesWhat team aside from the Pats has won a superb owl while running this offense ? I can't think of any off the top of my head.
I’m looking at their first 6 games. Hopkins delivered his as a true rookie. Mahomes matched and may have slightly surpassed DW numbers but was accomplished in his 2nd NFL season and first as a starter. He had 6 TD throws in his 6th game to tie DW’s 19 TD throws.Maybe because Mahomes didn't play as a rookie?
He sure did.Maybe because Mahomes didn't play as a rookie?
Yep, easy, Fry them both.We have .... and I think its a debatable subject , however unpopular it may be.
Some people think its a chicken and egg issue , I tend to believe its a combination of the chicken and the egg ....
Or DW4 isn't that good. (6 bad games and counting.)I never called them that....OB did when he signed them. As for their success, what was their success for the Texans besides a personal best season?
As for Watson, his first 6 games minus OB's real input equated to some rookie records that "even" the great Mahomes didn't better. The difference, Mahomes had Reid and Watson had OB. Reid continued to build off Mahomes success and didn't allow defenses who now had film to be able to shut down Mahomes success. On the other hand, OB didn't build off what made Watson and his offense successful. He reverted back to the offense that had kept his offenses around the middle or near the bottom and guess what, he got the same results.
With biscuits and gravy pleaseYep, easy, Fry them both.
Steelers? Though they don't look the same to my eyes
I'm sorry but I don't really understand the 6 games & counting stuff you keep posting. If you include the playoffs Watson had a pretty good game against the Bills. If we are only talking regular season games then he had good games against the Patriots & Colts and a decent game against the Titans.Or DW4 isn't that good. (6 bad games and counting.)
The man wants what the man wants......are we to argue? Yep.I'm sorry but I don't really understand the 6 games & counting stuff you keep posting. If you include the playoffs Watson had a pretty good game against the Bills. If we are only talking regular season games then he had good games against the Patriots & Colts and a decent game against the Titans.
Here are Watson's last six games with & without playoffs. Please explain where you get 6 bad games in a row.
2019 Week 12: Colts - QB Rating 104.6 - W
2019 Week 13: Patriots - QB Rating 140.7 - W
2019 Week 14: Broncos - QB Rating 63.1 - L
2019 Week 15: Titans - QB Rating 92.1 - W
2019 Week 16: Buccaneers - QB Rating 62.5 - W
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2019 Playoffs:
Bills - QB Rating 121.2 - W
Chiefs - QB Rating 95.7 - L
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2020 Week 1: Chiefs - 84.5 - L
Others here have said the Steelers were running an EP system, I just assumed they knew what they were talking aboutThought they were running a Coryell for the most part ? Gap run / 3-4 wide vertical passing.
Cowher ran a truck called Jerome Bettis.Thought they were running a Coryell for the most part ? Gap run / 3-4 wide vertical passing.
That's factually true but very nitpicky in a season finale that had zero impact on anything but his stat sheet.He sure did.
Last game of the season.
0 TD, 1 INT
What EP offense are you taking about?Payton learned under Parclls. The very name of the EP offense.
I was simply answering a question.That's factually true but very nitpicky in a season finale that had zero impact on anything but his stat sheet.
BTW, Cowher was running a Bus named Jerome Bettis. HA!!
I had posted a link to Payton's 2000 playbook with the Giants in a post above (post 475).Unlike the WCO or Coryall, or whatever. The EP doesn’t have staple formations or methodologies. It’s not about what they do. It’s more about how they communicate.
think about how the Patriots offense changes depending on who is on their team & who they are playing.
I’ve been reading up on the Saints offense because I always thought they ran an EP system. & readingPeyton describe it, it does sound EP. He talks about concepts, he talks about many formations, same play. & the play calls sound EP.
But yes, it also has a West Coast flavor.