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texanprincess said:
Yet finished in the final 8

I certainly wouldn't call that bottom of the barrel.
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Would you like to point out some of OB's finer points as a HC and OC? I mean it's simple to pickup the same mistakes being made for 6 years straight but what were some of his "exact" finer points as a HC or OC that convinced you that OB is the HC/GM for the Texans? Also, stating his record isn't considered a finer point.....so you'll need to dig a little deeper for your reply.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
Would you like to point out some of finer points as a HC and OC? I mean it's simple to pickup the same mistakes being made for 6 years straight but what were some of his "exact" finer points as a HC or OC that convinced you that OB is the HC/GM for the Texans? Saying his record isn't considered a finer point.....so you'll need to dig a little deeper for your reply.
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Yes. Absolutely. Finishing "Top 8" is not a good reason, when we have potential to finish top 2 or 4 every year, but never live up to that potential. We are always regarded as the underdog, and never taken seriously as a legitimate contender.
 
RGV82 said:
Yes. Absolutely. Finishing "Top 8" is not a good reason, when we have potential to finish top 2 or 4 every year, but never live up to that potential. We are always regarded as the underdog, and never taken seriously as a legitimate contender.
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Hopefully this isn't considered attacking the poster by a certain power hungry mod, but you are seriously overrating the talent on this team if you think the Texans are more talented than the Chiefs or Ravens.
 
texanprincess said:
Hopefully this isn't considered attacking the poster by a certain power hungry mod, but you are seriously overrating the talent on this team if you think the Texans are more talented than the Chiefs or Ravens.
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I am not speaking JUST of last year, we are talking in BOBs tenure. The previous 6 years. We had potential on this team to finish higher than we did, and not be viewed as the underdog in every playoff game.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Would you like to point out some of finer points as a HC and OC? I mean it's simple to pickup the same mistakes being made for 6 years straight but what were some of his "exact" finer points as a HC or OC that convinced you that OB is the HC/GM for the Texans? Saying his record isn't considered a finer point.....so you'll need to dig a little deeper for your reply.
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Maybe we have different definitions of bottom of the barrel.
 
RGV82 said:
You’re not answering his question.
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I've anwered it.

Your record is who you are.

Their record isn't bottom of the barrel. In fact they went as far as their talent level said they should've going. You're fooling yourself if you think that the Chiefs weren't more talented than the Texans. Hopefully a certain mod is asleep and doesn't think that this is a personal attack on you.
 
austins23 said:
Something happened to that team the last four games. Finishing 1-3 and missing the 1 seed. It just looked like the team was satisfied to be that good for those 12 games that it didn't care what happened after.
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I specifically remember in training camp the following year Duane Brown was asked what he thought happened and he flat out admitted “we got complacent.” I saw it, and thought that’s what it looked like to me but to finally hear someone of Brown’s stature within the organization admit it, I’ll be honest, I felt my eyes really weren’t lying to me but I didn’t feel good about it because... I didn’t feel like it would change. It feels like it’s baked into the foundation. I still see it. I saw more of it last year. L...W-W-L. W-W-L.

TK talked about the Texans making improvement in that they didn’t have a 3 game losing skid last year. They also didn’t win more than two in a row. And in those loses, other than the Saints loss, I don’t remember them looking prepared. In that aspect I saw no improvement over the years before it.

I don’t believe simply reshuffling the deck is going to improve their game. They need a brand new philosophy on how they do things, starting at the very top. Until that happens I expect more of the same.
 
texanprincess said:
I've anwered it.

Your record is who you are.

Their record isn't bottom of the barrel. In fact they went as far as their talent level said they should've going. You're fooling yourself if you think that the Chiefs weren't more talented than the Texans. Hopefully a certain mod is asleep and doesn't think that this is a personal attack on you.
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What don’t you get? I keep saying I am referring to our previous 6 seasons under BOB. Not just 2019. You keep mentioning the Chiefs. I’m referring to 2014-2019. Also your record is not always who you are. Look at us last year, 10-6 yet somehow we had 378 points for and 385 against. It’s almost unheard of to finish 10-6 with your opponents outscoring you. Do some research. This is not news.
 
texanprincess said:
I've anwered it.

Your record is who you are.

Their record isn't bottom of the barrel. In fact they went as far as their talent level said they should've going. You're fooling yourself if you think that the Chiefs weren't more talented than the Texans. Hopefully a certain mod is asleep and doesn't think that this is a personal attack on you.
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You know Marty Schottenheimer was what his record was as well......but, after continued in-season successes and mind-numbing duds in the playoffs, owners were no longer looking at his in-season record but his record in the playoffs became the deciding factor on who he was.......he got fired after a 14-2 campaign. Records can be deceiving so I recommend going back to my original statement and dig a lot deeper for those overwhelming attributes that make him the Texans GM, HC and/or OC.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
You know Marty Schottenheimer was what his record was as well......but, after continued in-season successes and mind-numbing duds in the playoffs, owners were no longer looking at his in-season record but his record in the playoffs became the deciding factor on who he was.......he got fired after a 14-2 campaign. Records can be deceiving so I recommend going back to my original statement and dig a lot deeper for those overwhelming attributes that make him the Texans GM, HC and/or OC.
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I still challenge this "texanprincess" to find the last team before the 2019 Texans who finished 10-6 and got outscored by opponents. Getting outscored last year 378-385 (-7) is a huge testament to how bad our defense was. Look at any year, any team that finishes 10-6 almost always finishes +30 to +50 in the PF-PA category. So to counter her point, your record is NOT always who you are.
 
These gamblers are usually pretty close. Thoughts?

www.numberfire.com

NFL Betting: The Biggest Over/Under Shifts Since the Draft

Which teams have seen their odds move most since the NFL Draft?
www.numberfire.com

Biggest Fallers
Houston Texans
Win Total: 7.5
Pre-Draft Over Odds: -120
Current Over Odds: +100
Expected nERD Change: -1.09
The Houston Texans had only five picks in the NFL Draft, and only two of them were inside the top 125. With those, they addressed defense: Ross Blacklock (a defensive tackle) 40th overall and Jonathan Greenard (an outside linebacker) at 90th overall. Last year, their defense ranked just 21st overall based on numberFire's metrics. Their top-10 offense lost DeAndre Hopkins and spent just their fifth-round pick at receiver Isaiah Coulter.
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RGV82 said:
I’d guess we take 3 of 4 vs. Jax/Indy and split with Titans, so 4 wins in the division sounds right.
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Indy ain't going to be easy. They'll have a solid run game, with a QB who, despite those who say is in decline, is still much better than Brissett IMO.

I think 3-3 (+/-1), just because division games always seem to be so tight regardless of records. That means they'd need 4-5 wins to top 7.5.

HOME
Ravens
Bengals
Packers
Vikings
Patriots

Not sure I see more than 2 wins here, if that many. I think it would be more beneficial to get the Bengals and Pats early before Burrow and Stidham settle in. Packers are questionable depending how Rodgers is coping. They could luck into 3 wins here.

AWAY
Browns
Steelers
Lions
Bears
Chiefs

It's easy to chalk some of those up as W's, but they are road games. And weather could be a significant factor in all of them but Detroit. I think the Lions, Browns and Bears are the most likely to be W's. Have no idea what the Steelers will look like this year.

Given that, I think they'll be right at 7.5. Gun to my head, I'd probably go with a slight over. 8-8, maybe luck into 9-7. But I could just as easily see a 6-10.
 
texanprincess said:
Your record is who you are.
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I could not agree more. You are what your record says you are. And when it comes to the Texans playoff win percentage there are only 3 teams in the league who have done worse than the Texans.

Ranking by playoff win percentage.

1. Patriots: 58 Games, 37-21 .638
2. 49ers: 52 Games, 32-20 .615
3. Packers: 58 Games, 35-23 .603
4. Ravens: 25 Games, 15-10 .600
5. Steelers: 61 Games, 36-25 .590
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29. Texans: 10 Games, 4-6 .400
30. Browns: 31 Games, 11-20 .355
31. Lions: 20 Games, 7-13 .350
32. Bengals: 19 Games, 5-14 .263

texanprincess said:
Their record isn't bottom of the barrel.
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I don't know about anybody else but for me being lumped in with the Browns, Lions & Bengals feels pretty damn close to being the bottom of the barrel.
 
mws said:
I could not agree more. You are what your record says you are. And when it comes to the Texans playoff win percentage there are only 3 teams in the league who have done worse than the Texans.

Ranking by playoff win percentage.

1. Patriots: 58 Games, 37-21 .638
2. 49ers: 52 Games, 32-20 .615
3. Packers: 58 Games, 35-23 .603
4. Ravens: 25 Games, 15-10 .600
5. Steelers: 61 Games, 36-25 .590
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29. Texans: 10 Games, 4-6 .400
30. Browns: 31 Games, 11-20 .355
31. Lions: 20 Games, 7-13 .350
32. Bengals: 19 Games, 5-14 .263


I don't know about anybody else but for me being lumped in with the Browns, Lions & Bengals feels pretty damn close to being the bottom of the barrel.
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It would be interesting to know how many teams have been to playoff games 10 times in the last 17 seasons.
That might give a better understanding of how we are travelling.
 
Texansphan said:
It would be interesting to know how many teams have been to playoff games 10 times in the last 17 seasons.
That might give a better understanding of how we are travelling.
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Yeah.....just good enough to get screwed in the draft and not good enough to challenge for a AFCCG or SB. Yipper, just a few injuries away from picking really early in the draft......provided the Texans have picks to utilize. They just got a very tough time having both feet hit the floor in unison.
 
The longer guys like Lamar Miller and Devonta Freeman sit on free agency, the worse this David Johnson trade seems. I would have been happier trading Hopkins for a huge upgrade on defense, and signing Devonta Freeman. Considering what we gave up for David Johnson, and how cheap we could have a guy like Freeman or Miller, makes the trade seem even worse than I initially thought.
 
RGV82 said:
The longer guys like Lamar Miller and Devonta Freeman sit on free agency, the worse this David Johnson trade seems. I would have been happier trading Hopkins for a huge upgrade on defense, and signing Devonta Freeman. Considering what we gave up for David Johnson, and how cheap we could have a guy like Freeman or Miller, makes the trade seem even worse than I initially thought.
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Bill O’Brien and the Texans are notorious for making hasty decisions. It was a decision that Bill felt needed done right away. He was in his feelings in which clouded his judgment
 
Texansballer74 said:
Bill O’Brien and the Texans are notorious for making hasty decisions. It was a decision that Bill felt needed done right away. He was in his feelings in which clouded his judgment
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Agree with this completely. Just has a bigger light shining on it right now because this is probably the biggest trade he has ever made.... and now that I have a chance to analyze it more, and realize a cheap free agent like Devonta Freeman is not that far of a fall off from David Johnson which we gave up one of the best WRs in the league to get. We coulda ate a small amount of Devonta Freeman contract and traded for a good defensive player, or had David Johnson. Seems even worse now.
 
RGV82 said:
Agree with this completely. Just has a bigger light shining on it right now because this is probably the biggest trade he has ever made.... and now that I have a chance to analyze it more, and realize a cheap free agent like Devonta Freeman is not that far of a fall off from David Johnson which we gave up one of the best WRs in the league to get. We coulda ate a small amount of Devonta Freeman contract and traded for a good defensive player, or had David Johnson. Seems even worse now.
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What did Freeman do last year?
 
Freeman has a worrisome injury history since 2017. That year, he suffered 2 concussions (his 3rd in the NFL) less than 3 months apart , the last one being mid November. When he came back, Dec 31, he suffered a grade II MCL and a grade II PCL (something [lower extremity injuries] I've posted in the past happens commonly following concussions) , and limped through the subsequent 1st playoff with a 3.7 yd/c...........but deteriorated the 2nd playoff game, when he was able to managing only 10 carries for 7 yds for .7 yd/c. All the way through the end of 2017, he was also dealing with ankle and foot problems.

He came back in 2018, having rehabbed his MCL/PCL injuries after missing the entire offseason and TC, just to aggravate his previous knee ligament injuries..............he again rehabbed the knee and came back week 5 at which time he suffered a severe groin tear requiring core surgery and an end to his season. Last season, despite only missing 2 games, he was again injury plagued with foot, turf toe and ankle injuries. The foot injury was never reported in detail but was a mild Lisfranc.

sorry, but I'd put my money on Johnson everyday of the week, before putting down lesser for Freeman.
 
I wouldn't say he's that much lesser when Freeman had back to back seasons of 1600+ and 1500+ all purpose yards with 14 and 13 Touchdowns to go along with it.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Freeman has a worrisome injury history since 2017. That year, he suffered 2 concussions (his 3rd in the NFL) less than 3 months apart , the last one being mid November. When he came back, Dec 31, he suffered a grade II MCL and a grade II PCL (something [lower extremity injuries] I've posted in the past happens commonly following concussions) , and limped through the subsequent 1st playoff with a 3.7 yd/c...........but deteriorated the 2nd playoff game, when he was able to managing only 10 carries for 7 yds for .7 yd/c. All the way through the end of 2017, he was also dealing with ankle and foot problems.

He came back in 2018, having rehabbed his MCL/PCL injuries after missing the entire offseason and TC, just to aggravate his previous knee ligament injuries..............he again rehabbed the knee and came back week 5 at which time he suffered a severe groin tear requiring core surgery and an end to his season. Last season, despite only missing 2 games, he was again injury plagued with foot, turf toe and ankle injuries. The foot injury was never reported in detail but was a mild Lisfranc.

sorry, but I'd put my money on Johnson everyday of the week, before putting down lesser for Freeman.
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But would you put an All Pro WR on either of them?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I responded to the question previously posed. I would take Johnson over Freeman. And, no, I would not have an All Pro WR receiver cover either.:shades:
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Yes, I would take Johnson over Freeman straight up too. The point is that Johnson cost us Hopkins. We coulda signed Freeman as a free agent and traded Hopkins for someone else. So the question is would you rather have Johnson, or Freeman & high level defensive player?
 
RGV82 said:
Yes, I would take Johnson over Freeman straight up too. The point is that Johnson cost us Hopkins. We coulda signed Freeman as a free agent and traded Hopkins for someone else. So the question is would you rather have Johnson, or Freeman & high level defensive player?
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You'll have to excuse me, but I don't like going down rabbit holes. After going through Freeman's relative recent series of major injuries, if you can still ask me if I would even take him if he were relatively free, I don't really know how to answer.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
You'll have to excuse me, but I don't like going down rabbit holes. After going through Freeman's relative recent series of major injuries, if you can still ask me if I would even take him if he were relatively free, I don't really know how to answer.
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Even that, Lamar Miller would be relatively free, Carlos Hyde, etc. Point is, any of these free agent RBs would be cheap and we could have used Hopkins to upgrade elsewhere.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
We didn't get better using the draft/acquisitions as the metric, but I think we are still better than the Colts and Jags. The Tits got hot last year at the right time but it remains to be seen if that is sustained. We should still be able to take advantage of our division.
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The Titans doubled down on what got them to the AFC championship game and that's running the ball down the oppositions throat …. Henry is as good as they come and they picked one of the best backs in the draft in round 3 to compliment him - they also have a really strong OL.



The Colts split with the Texans last season with Jacoby Brissett at QB - they got better with Rivers. They also had a top 7 rushing offense last season and drafted one of the top RB's in this draft ….. They also have a quality OL.

The Texans …. let their defensive anchor walk in free agency. Dumped their best offensive player for an overpaid RB who hasn't been productive in 2 years then traded for his supposed replacement on another expensive contract that has injury issues.
They didn't improve in any of those moves. They didn't replace their defensive anchor in Reader in a division of run heavy teams. Even the Jags with Leonard Fournette ….
Their secondary couldn't cover a baby with a blanket …. and we haven't even begun to address the issue of O'Brien the head coach or his poor offensive scheme.

The Tits win the AFC south this year and the Colts wont be far behind while the Texans and Jax fight for last.

This team will be lucky to win 6 games this year - sending Miami a top 10 pick in round 1 & 2.
 
JB said:
Agree on FO & coaching

Players MAY be ok on offense, Defense is seriously lacking in all 3 phases of defense... ST should be better
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That secondary .… was pathetic last year and I really don't see them being any better this coming season.

Combine that with a suspect defensive front against the run …. I don't see them getting teams in 2nd / 3rd and long situations on a regular basis which limits the pass rush and teams are going to be able to run a lot of play action on 2nd and 3rd downs ….

And they still don't have anyone that can cover a TE.

I don't have much confidence in this team on either side of the ball going into the season …. expectations are low.
Hell , maybe it gets OB fired … I think that's the best outcome we can hope for in the coming season.
 
RGV82 said:
Even that, Lamar Miller would be relatively free, Carlos Hyde, etc. Point is, any of these free agent RBs would be cheap and we could have used Hopkins to upgrade elsewhere.
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Lamar Miller was reported as having ruptured his ACL last season...........that would have been bad enough. But, in fact, he tore ACL and his MCL, while suffering significant meniscus tears and articular cartilage damage. Personally, I would pair him with Freeman this season in a bag of undesirables. Hyde turned down a one-year offer by the Texans, he insisted on a multi-year contract.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Lamar Miller was reported as having ruptured his ACL last season...........that would have been bad enough. But, in fact, he tore ACL and his MCL, while suffering significant meniscus tears and articular cartilage damage. Personally, I would pair him with Freeman this season in a bag of undesirables. Hyde turned down a one-year offer by the Texans, he insisted on a multi-year contract.
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Yes I know he turned it down. He’s tested the market and has probably realized his demands won’t be met and will have to settle on another 1 year deal.
 
RGV82 said:
Agree with this completely. Just has a bigger light shining on it right now because this is probably the biggest trade he has ever made.... and now that I have a chance to analyze it more, and realize a cheap free agent like Devonta Freeman is not that far of a fall off from David Johnson which we gave up one of the best WRs in the league to get. We coulda ate a small amount of Devonta Freeman contract and traded for a good defensive player, or had David Johnson. Seems even worse now.
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Try not to think about it because it is indeed very, very depressing.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Freeman has a worrisome injury history since 2017. That year, he suffered 2 concussions (his 3rd in the NFL) less than 3 months apart , the last one being mid November. When he came back, Dec 31, he suffered a grade II MCL and a grade II PCL (something [lower extremity injuries] I've posted in the past happens commonly following concussions) , and limped through the subsequent 1st playoff with a 3.7 yd/c...........but deteriorated the 2nd playoff game, when he was able to managing only 10 carries for 7 yds for .7 yd/c. All the way through the end of 2017, he was also dealing with ankle and foot problems.

He came back in 2018, having rehabbed his MCL/PCL injuries after missing the entire offseason and TC, just to aggravate his previous knee ligament injuries..............he again rehabbed the knee and came back week 5 at which time he suffered a severe groin tear requiring core surgery and an end to his season. Last season, despite only missing 2 games, he was again injury plagued with foot, turf toe and ankle injuries. The foot injury was never reported in detail but was a mild Lisfranc.

sorry, but I'd put my money on Johnson everyday of the week, before putting down lesser for Freeman.
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I'm not sold on Freeman at all......in the same breath, I feel exactly the same way about Johnson becoming a solid feature back once again. For me, the Jags are prepared move on from Leonard Fournette and if OB ever wanted to make a good move, he could probably get Fournette from the Jags for Duke Johnson and a pick in 2021. Fournette is a feature back and having Johnson there as a true 3rd down receiving back could be a great move.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yet finished in the final 8.

Please respond by PM only because I would hate to respond with an inappropriate term like butt hurt Kubiak fans/Pats hater and get banned again.
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No worries.....I was never a fan of Kubiak's either. With the Texans he appeared very inflexible and maintained his gameplan regardless of the results. I always liked Kubiak, the individual but his way wasn't going to win the Texans a Super Bowl. He got his Super Bowl in Denver b/c Manning was running the offense and Kubiak was in the passenger seat enjoying the ride. It was obvious Manning had the authority to audible out of any play he didn't think was the right call. No QB in Houston had that freedom under Kubiak.

Watson has kept OB's job more than OB has managed to successfully keep his job. If there was no Watson....OB might've coached himself out of Houston in 2017. Just imagine if OB had no one behind Savage (who I was for starting in 2017) that season.....any guesses as to what their record might've looked like?

Watson went 3-3 during his stretch as the starter and set a few rookie records along the way. Without Watson in 2017, the Texans may have achieved a solid 1-15 record. Would that have been enough to dislodge OB from the Texans? Continuing this train of thought OB wouldn't have had Watson in 2018 or 2019 as well.....so with OB's offense and the defense in the gutter, care to speculate as to what OB and the Texans record(s) might've been?
 
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