Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Lol are u kidding me?
DW4 has “health concerns”..Watt has “health concerns”. Going by your criteria both are or will soon be overpaid.
cmon man.
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Brandin Cooks to the Texans
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Lol are u kidding me?
DW4 has “health concerns”..Watt has “health concerns”. Going by your criteria both are or will soon be overpaid.
cmon man.
The Brandin Cooks Trade Continues Bill O’Brien’s Awful Offseason for the Ages
Houston’s head coach and GM has made iffy moves before, but in the past month he’s put together his bad decision-making masterpiece
www.theringer.com
Context of the Texans' winning the trade.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I'm not sure when I made comments on jj's injury history or dw4's injury history. Or when I spoke of their cap value.
Please post if you find it.
Cmon man.
The Brandin Cooks Trade Continues Bill O’Brien’s Awful Offseason for the Ages
Houston’s head coach and GM has made iffy moves before, but in the past month he’s put together his bad decision-making masterpiece
Context of the Texans' winning the trade.
I was watching NFLN. They still believe in his talent.
Don't forget defending the trades with the asinine reason about "changing the culture". Even if you eliminate Clowney and Hopkins, you still have Watt, Mercilus, Wilfork, Joseph, Johnson, Mcckinney Cunningham, and Jackson as team leaders setting the tone for the locker room.
The biggest on the field drawback to Cooks is the concussion issue. Most of his career has been marked by being pretty darn good, non-great. Honestly, he has the highest chance of being 1,000 WR on the roster, but is far from guaranteed.
texanhead08
All Pro
Biggest issues next off season
Fuller I think you let him walk just cuz he can't stay on the field
Tunsill with as much as you gave up you need to sign him
Watson has the 5th year option, but I would expect an extension if he doesn't he might walk.
Zach Cunningham is going to be pricey but with the lack of high picks I want them to keep him.
Fuller I think you let him walk just cuz he can't stay on the field
Tunsill with as much as you gave up you need to sign him
Watson has the 5th year option, but I would expect an extension if he doesn't he might walk.
Zach Cunningham is going to be pricey but with the lack of high picks I want them to keep him.
Was that 40 feet, or 40 inches?
Texazan
Our HOF 34
but they’re BOLD moves and you should be happy you have a GM and a flat structure that can make those BOLD moves!
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Disagree that 40 won’t play much. I know in the end these charts dont mean much but many of rather guys ranked in that area would start here. And many of the others would get significant playing time. That is if BOB doesn’t trade 40 away.
Decim8
Veteran
I have high Hope's for warring in the coming season, I believe hell beat them out
RGV82
Random guy
This year is going to be the make-or-break season for Fuller. He will either get lost in the mix and fall off the radar this year behind Cobb and Cooks, or stay healthy and have break out year.
I am fine with the way our offense looks right now - but we should at least have another second rounder coming out of all these trades.
that being said I kinda like to get the roster less star heavy and more well rounded. I need stars at qb, lt and pass rusher and good all around players to fill out the roster.
With our WRs now we should run at least one of them deep every pass play - with the speed we got, opponents need to defend the deep pass. That should open up the run and short passes to TEs. I am not too worried about our offense (aside from injury concerns). But I don’t like our defense. Cb is still a question mark, pass rush is another and now run defense without Reader. Defense could be ugly this year...
that being said I kinda like to get the roster less star heavy and more well rounded. I need stars at qb, lt and pass rusher and good all around players to fill out the roster.
With our WRs now we should run at least one of them deep every pass play - with the speed we got, opponents need to defend the deep pass. That should open up the run and short passes to TEs. I am not too worried about our offense (aside from injury concerns). But I don’t like our defense. Cb is still a question mark, pass rush is another and now run defense without Reader. Defense could be ugly this year...
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I would take a proven receiver in this offense over a rookie.
In most college offenses, the WR typically is given a single route and told where he is to end up. In the NFL, he needs to make a presnap read, a snap read and a postsnap adjustment read. That's why it takes most rookie WRs so long to develop.
There were already 3 vet WRs on the team prior to the trade. The youngest (Fuller) will be a FA next offseason. Last season, 8 rookie WRs had more receiving yards than Brandin Cooks. 10 rookies had more TD receptions. And this year's WR crop is considered superior by many. If a rookie can't be productive in "this offense", that's says a lot more about who is designing this offense than the rookie.
Having said that, what does it matter what a rookie can do if the coach won't play him. 4 vet WRs counting $31 million against the cap. None an All Pro. Add the $3 million in dead cap space in Hopkins. That's why this team can't re-sign its NT. Or chase an edge rusher in free agency. This is the model of failure. This is the face of failure on draft day.
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banned1976
sleeper mode
I don’t mind the idea of developing a rookie. And I don’t like the durability concerns that come with this wide receiver group.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again- I’m perfectly okay with taking a step back in favor of a youth movement. Trade your stars if you’re so bent out of shape about their attitude, work ethic, and/or personal lives. But don’t do it for a bag of mismatched and broken hardware. Don’t devalue them just because you don’t like their personality. Use some common sense.
My theory is, O’Brien isn’t bouncing these ideas off of anyone. Or he’s talking to Easterby and Jack is himself just using his personal opinion about how a guy lives. It has no basis on football. Granted, Cooks is a very good receiver. But given his size and concussion history he’s a major risk. It scared the Rams enough to pay for half his salary just to get rid of him.
I agree that there are players that could contribute at that pick. What I'm saying is the head coach won't utilize them to their maximum capabilities in their first year.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
I won't defend any of his trades, but Cooks is not an injury issue, look at his games played, and look at his concussion discussion in injury thread from CND, all grade 1 with no long term issues. Rams dumped him because of cap hell. My issue is not what he has done, but the VALUE he gets in return of all his trades. Rams could not even sign their rookie class so he should have been able to swing this for a third or fourth I think. This was a salary dump for them, and with their cap hell they needed a draft pick for cheap labor. Much like we will need soon
The Rams trade of Cooks put over $21 million of dead money against the cap this year. They're taking their cap lumps this year for a clean start in 2021. But yes, that 2nd round pick was an overpay. Especially in the light of the Texans only getting a 2nd round pick back for an All Pro.
Texansballer74
The Marine
So why go and invest in more players with questionable health concerns. This stuff doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
SMH. In 2018, Cooks was an X-receiver.................his highest yardage production year.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
What do you base this trade value on seeing as last two times Cooks was traded it was for a 1st both times?
It is hard to look past the fact that the Rams were willing to take the largest ($21.8 million) single-season cap hit in NFL history just to get rid of him. It is hard to look past the fact that they traded him despite already paying him a roster bonus.
It is hard to understand how having four receivers capable of starting (five if you count Keke Coutee, Bill O’Brien doesn’t) is going to fit into Bill O’Brien’s offensive design philosophy.
Cooks had an incredibly down season where he caught just 42 balls for 583 yards. His yards per target declined to 8.1, the lowest it had been since his rookie season. He dropped four of his 72 targets per SIS data — more if you want to use other drop sources. It was a disastrous season.
If put in to the role that Hopkins filled for this offense on most downs last year, Cooks will struggle. He got by far the least separation of any Rams full-time receiver last season per NFL Next Gen Stats, and Bill O’Brien will not scheme separation anywhere near as often as Sean McVay did:
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It is hard to understand how having four receivers capable of starting (five if you count Keke Coutee, Bill O’Brien doesn’t) is going to fit into Bill O’Brien’s offensive design philosophy.
Cooks had an incredibly down season where he caught just 42 balls for 583 yards. His yards per target declined to 8.1, the lowest it had been since his rookie season. He dropped four of his 72 targets per SIS data — more if you want to use other drop sources. It was a disastrous season.
If put in to the role that Hopkins filled for this offense on most downs last year, Cooks will struggle. He got by far the least separation of any Rams full-time receiver last season per NFL Next Gen Stats, and Bill O’Brien will not scheme separation anywhere near as often as Sean McVay did:
The Brandin Cooks trade is yet another potential disaster in the making for Bill O'Brien - riversmccown.com
I’ve been writing about football for a little over 10 years now, so I’ve been around the block enough to know that the reaction to the DeAndre Hopkins trade being largely negative was a one-time thing. It was a perfect storm of things that most fans hate: — Bad value in return.— Trading away an...
www.riversmccown.com
I've been told that the concussions had little effect on Cooks. So can anyone tell me why such a dropoff in production from Cooks? Why did Cooks become the Rams #3 WR? If Cooks bounces back. If Johnson bounces back. If Cobb can remain productive after 30. The Texans are bringing in reclaimation projects at frontline prices. But the frontline players they already have? The ones that have been responsible for whatever sucess the team has had? Nope, can't pay them.
Explain to me again how this is about the T-E-A-M?
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
OK, the trades suck in general for Nuk for sure, but I am willing to put up some money on all the Cooks haters, injury prone, down year, yeah yeah. Goff sucks, their play action was non existent, line sucked. I will take the over on Cooks for 700 yards, any takers? PM meIt is hard to look past the fact that the Rams were willing to take the largest ($21.8 million) single-season cap hit in NFL history just to get rid of him. It is hard to look past the fact that they traded him despite already paying him a roster bonus.
It is hard to understand how having four receivers capable of starting (five if you count Keke Coutee, Bill O’Brien doesn’t) is going to fit into Bill O’Brien’s offensive design philosophy.
Cooks had an incredibly down season where he caught just 42 balls for 583 yards. His yards per target declined to 8.1, the lowest it had been since his rookie season. He dropped four of his 72 targets per SIS data — more if you want to use other drop sources. It was a disastrous season.
If put in to the role that Hopkins filled for this offense on most downs last year, Cooks will struggle. He got by far the least separation of any Rams full-time receiver last season per NFL Next Gen Stats, and Bill O’Brien will not scheme separation anywhere near as often as Sean McVay did:
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The Brandin Cooks trade is yet another potential disaster in the making for Bill O'Brien - riversmccown.com
I’ve been writing about football for a little over 10 years now, so I’ve been around the block enough to know that the reaction to the DeAndre Hopkins trade being largely negative was a one-time thing. It was a perfect storm of things that most fans hate: — Bad value in return.— Trading away an...www.riversmccown.com
banned1976
sleeper mode
I’m not a Cooks hater. I even wrote in this thread had they just added Cooks with Hopkins/Fuller/Stills “I would have been more than fine with it”. At least the Texans would still have one reliable All Pro receiver to go along with those that have had health issues.
As for the concussions, we don’t know how many more grade 1 concussions it’s going to take before Cooks decides the next one could permanently damage his brain. I hope he never has to think about that. But I do know athletes are retiring from them these days. And I don’t blame them. When I had end stage liver disease I had hepatic encephalopathy twice. The thought of losing my mental facilities scared me more than actually dying. Those kinds of thoughts aren’t just unique to me. I don’t have to imagine the thoughts that go through the minds of football players that have had multiple concussions.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
IMO, the Texans are doing the same thing just in a different way. Nuk wanted a raise with 3 years left and they decided not to do it. So instead of keeping him unhappy and Darth O'Brien not wanting a potential headache, he decided to trade him for the best value he thought he could get (a player with expiring guaranteed money and a draft pick). I do believe Cooks guaranteed money expires after next season or 2021. Yes he is betting the farm on these 2 seasons, but its all I can assess. I really hope that with this new group of WRs that it will make for an easier passing game for Watson. On paper, their quickness should equate to faster seperation which intern contibutes to Watson getting the ball out faster and the OL won't have to hold blocks as long. I don't like the moves but its the cards that are on the table, for now...
Texansballer74
The Marine
Nobody is hating on Cook. Just stating the obvious. Those concussions aren't a concern for you I guess.
Our o-line is just fine. Teams blitzed us heavy last year mostly in games where Fuller wasn't on the field which is when we had issues. Nuk as great as he was, wasn't a speed guy and had issues getting open quickly before blitzes got home. The name of the game was to get us in 3rd and long, Blitz DW4 and either force him into a mistake, or force him to throw it short. That's why Nuk played a little more slot last year too. Plus, if teams had too they could double or bracket him in zone coverage to take him away from DW4 and make him go elsewhere. With all the potential speed on the field, teams will be hard pressed to blitz us and you probably aren't going to be able to double any 1 guy without the others going off...and that's not even counting DW4's ability to escape (which is something Goff couldn't do) and Johnson and Johnson's abilities in the pass game.... I have the utmost confidence that If David Johnson gets the touches...........and everything about BoB's offense says that he definitely will, he can give us what Hyde gave us last year..........& more considering what he can do in the pass game.
But every year you chicken littles "sound the alarm". How many years in a row now have you and others predicted 7-9 or worse seasons for the team based on moves they made that you didn't like......... or picks they made in the draft you didn't like or some other variable like how tough our schedule was supposedly going to be for the upcoming season.
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& all but 1 year under BoB all the Texans have done under him is prove ya'll wrong.
At this point, I justat the hysteria ya'll drum up about every single thing that he does that alot of you don't like. The recipe amongst the fan base seems to be cast the worst possible scenario and that scenario almost never happens.
Quoted for truth.
I wonder how the MB's going to be if Cooks/WFV stay healthy all yr and produce? If the new weapons produce like I think they will then Nuk really wont be missed that much and there will be no excuses for DW4.
Somebody will be open on most plays, it's up to DW4 to be able to find them.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
In CND I trust, all grade 1's, he is not a TE, OL or LB who get hit every play. To be honest, I am happy he has not had ACL or groin tears as he is a speed guy. Yes, he could get a bad one and retire. I do think this draft is funny as you don't have the time and face to face, no OTA probably, so rookies won't be as good as usual and WR is generally slower to develop, so I can see the logic here. I am kind of a B- on this one as I think he could have been had for a rd3 so usual BOB value leakage. Let the guy make over the team, if it works we eat crow, if it doesn't, we suck, get a new FO and start over. If we keep pounding the same thing, we get smoked in the playoffs, so this is a do something to me. We either get better, or suck and replace the GM/HC
revan
Waterboy
I thought we were doing just that with Hopkins
Developed as a rookie and we were enjoying the fruits of labor that blossomed.
revan
Waterboy
Happy? Ecstatic? Just because we have an opinion doesn't mean we want to see this team fail. So forgive us if we are all a little hesitant to crown them champs in April given the fact that we haven't had a reason to be optimistic since football came back to Houston.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Fine but does he show up big time when it matters during practice?
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
strange how that quote got tagged to me when it came from @Lucky - I agree with every bit of it though.
How many games has Cooks missed over the last 5 yrs?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
If OB was trading Cooks before the start of the season, what are the chances he would get a RD2 much less a RD1 for him?
If that was the only time DW4 had to do that because his missed a blitzer then I would agree with you.
You're a funny guy. For years, you have been complaining that the Texans don't take chances on players who were not choir boys. All of a sudden, you're now parroting this line about BOB type players on HIS squad. Too funny.
Also, before Watson was even on the team. O'Brien has always had an All Pro WR to bail out his terrible route combinations and 1990s scheme. Let see how he dials up a crucial 3rd and 9 play without his blanket to move the chains. That's if he has a play ready.
I'm not saying what BOB wants his team to look like is what I want the team to look like. He correctly got out from under Clowney's contract demands and Nuk's too. Then he rebuilt the WR corps with the type of WR's we wants on HIS team. The WR corps now more closely resembles the Chiefs and you think this is a bad thing. I'm hoping for the best, it seems like you're hoping for the worst.
He's been a weapon everywhere he's been.
Last yr the Rams OL got hurt and their entire offense sucked. Look at Gurley/Woods numbers.
Agreed about Kelce, except Mahomes is the guy who really stirs the drink. Is it wrong to have a little optimism about Warring. (Dudes gifted.) You must enjoy being miserable when it comes to the Texans.
We dont know, but history says Cooks will out perform anybody they could draft at 57.
Go back and look at Cooks catches over the last 5 yrs (I know he had a bad yr last yr due to circumstances out of his control.) and tell me how many guys that have been picked at 57 have outperfomed Cooks numbers in their rookie yr. In fact Cooks numbers are more 1st rd worthy than 57 worthy.
Atkins? I hear you can lose alot of weight following his lead. But you will have a constant case of the runs following his diet.
The rest of the draft (Which is complete minus a 1st rd pick) should be spent on the defense. A guy like Terrell Lewis in Rd.2 and a CB like RR II/Robertson in Rd. 3 would go along way to improving the defense.