Hopkins traded to Cardinals?

[Texecutioner]

And 2hat makes you think getting the contract redone when he was brought in would help? No way Tunsil would have been willing to just extend his rookie contract. He’s seen what’s going on around the league and if mid pack guys like Trent Brown are breaking records he knew he would blow almost any other contract away no matter what team it was.

Let’s say we didn’t sign Tunsil, what exac5ly were they suppose to do at LT? Davenport maybe or Howard, oh I know tell Kalil to put his skates back on he’s going on the line. Texans were screwed anyway they went, at least with a Tunsil they might keep Watson from being broken in half and have one good year.

Nothing. Nothing at all. The Texans got to the playoffs with pretty much the same record the year before and didn't get embarrassed nearly as bad as they did against the Chiefs. I have the benefit of hind sight now, because the season is over and the Texans didn't really do anything else extra so that trade was a complete fail considering the fact that there are plenty of other holes and not a first round pick for two more seasons and also a HOF wideout that is gone partly because of it.

People tried to pass off this idea that every QB turns into Andrew Luck and wants to retire when that was one of the biggest rare things we've ever seen. It was a fear mongering argument that really made no sense.

And the fact that O'Brien made that trade as the GM should have been the first sign that it was bad. His judgement should have never been trusted to do something like that. Look at all of the other things he has done since. He just keeps showing you that he doesn't analyze things well or look into the future. He just makes hasty decisions to cover his previous screw ups.

 

[Texazan]

It's been rumored he was on the way out of LA since the beginning of last season because of his high cost and lower usage. If I, a fan in the stand who has paid less attention to football than ever before in my life, knew he was gonna get cut (because it was obvious) how do they not make the same educated guess?

Gurley has been rumored to be released for a hot minute

I'm right here in Tempe and can tell you without a doubt DJ was going to be released, it was all over the radio, inside sources, etc. but ol' BOB came along and the rest is history.

BOB did what he ALWAYS does and he let his EMOTIONS get the best of him and f*cked the team in the process.

 

[disaacks3]

Umm that's kinda what happened here. QB & LT are priorities over WR...Noone wants to admit that in this situation, but its the reality & DW4 and Tunsil are connected and Tunsil's performance has a direct effect on DW4's play & frankly, with what we gave up to get Tunsil, there's no way in hell we're drafting someone to eventually replace him. & if Quality FA at LT were available, we would've had 1 already.

Not really, especially in the context of all three being your Offensive stars. If your All-Pro WR isn't a priority in today's passing game, who the he** is? At worst, Nuk is your #3 priority. Even at that, he's got zero leverage with 3 years remaining.

I agree that we're not drafting anyone to replace Tunsil anytime soon...unless we manage to screw up re-signing him. Hopefully Howard's injury is an aberration and we're set at tackle for the next 5-10 years.

 

[maverick512000]

Nothing. Nothing at all. The Texans got to the playoffs with pretty much the same record the year before and didn't get embarrassed nearly as bad as they did against the Chiefs. I have the benefit of hind sight now, because the season is over and the Texans didn't really do anything else extra so that trade was a complete fail considering the fact that there are plenty of other holes and not a first round pick for two more seasons and also a HOF wideout that is gone partly because of it.

People tried to pass off this idea that every QB turns into Andrew Luck and wants to retire when that was one of the biggest rare things we've ever seen. It was a fear mongering argument that really made no sense.

And the fact that O'Brien made that trade as the GM should have been the first sign that it was bad. His judgement should have never been trusted to do something like that. Look at all of the other things he has done since. He just keeps showing you that he doesn't analyze things well or look into the future. He just makes hasty decisions to cover his previous screw ups.

You said it yourself, you have hindsight. If the Texans had not fallen apart in the Chiefs game and got to the AFCC or even SB everyone would be singing a different tune. It’s just like the Osweiler deal, everyone said it was a huge mistake.....after the season was over.

Also no it wasn’t that people were afraid Watson would retire like Luck did but they were, rightfully so, afraid he would get broken in half. He already was put out his rookie year with a punctured lung to the point he couldn’t fly with the team. That’s not counting the injuries he had coming out of college.

It’s not like he’s Big Ben that is built like a tank. Watson has a smaller frame so those hits hurt twice as much, add to that he took more sacks than any other QB and if you don’t think he was in danger of having his career ended then you’re being delusional. It only took one hit to basically end Alex Smith’s career just Chiefs had Mahomes waiting. Who do the Texans have or could get?

 

[Texecutioner]

You said it yourself, you have hindsight. If the Texans had not fallen apart in the Chiefs game and got to the AFCC or even SB everyone would be singing a different tune. It’s just like the Osweiler deal, everyone said it was a huge mistake.....after the season was over.

Who would? You maybe, but not me. If they got to the SB, then I'd be fair with them getting that far but that move never once looked like it was enough to push them that far. You're lying by saying "everyone" said it was a mistake after the season was over, because we have 3 or 4 threads that started right when it happened where several of us made these exact same arguments then. I only mentioned "hind sight" because back then it was foresight and I had to wait for the season to end to point it out again on how bad it was. There is nothing in this post that I didn't tell you and a bunch of others then. It's all there in the thread.

Also no it wasn’t that people were afraid Watson would retire like Luck did but they were, rightfully so, afraid he would get broken in half. He already was put out his rookie year with a punctured lung to the point he couldn’t fly with the team. That’s not counting the injuries he had coming out of college.

None of that was anything abnormal. QB"s get hurt all of the time even with great protection. Trying to compare what may happen to him to one of the worst things in NFL history was a major exaggeration that was not a logical argument from a historical standpoint at all. It was like saying "if you surf those waves, a shark is going to come and bite you for sure, so don't do it. It happened to that one guy."

It’s not like he’s Big Ben that is built like a tank. Watson has a smaller frame so those hits hurt twice as much, add to that he took more sacks than any other QB and if you don’t think he was in danger of having his career ended then you’re being delusional. It only took one hit to basically end Alex Smith’s career just Chiefs had Mahomes waiting. Who do the Texans have or could get?

This last paragraph isn't making one point at all. You're just bringing up QB"s that got injured in one play. How else does an injury happen? Lol! Its football and people at every position get injured. Even with great protection sometimes, so again this doomsday scenario you keep pushing is not logical at all. Its a rare exception. And now that fear from the a very rare exception has cost the Texans Nuk and all of these other future draft picks where the low draft picks we'd have we won't even get to use.

 

[maverick512000]

Who would? You maybe, but not me. If they got to the SB, then I'd be fair with them getting that far but that move never once looked like it was enough to push them that far. You're lying by saying "everyone" said it was a mistake after the season was over, because we have 3 or 4 threads that started right when it happened where several of us made these exact same arguments then. I only mentioned "hind sight" because back then it was foresight and I had to wait for the season to end to point it out again on how bad it was. There is nothing in this post that I didn't tell you and a bunch of others then. It's all there in the thread.

You throw that word out a lot and you come in here with your ”I told you so” as though you are the great avatar of truth. So some people GUESSED that a Osweiler would be bad, well you know what the Simpsons predicted Trump would be president so does that make everyone that thought it wouldn’t happen a liar? I also recall you praising the Texans for going after a Osweiler because it showed aggression.

None of that was anything abnormal. QB"s get hurt all of the time even with great protection. Trying to compare what may happen to him to one of the worst things in NFL history was a major exaggeration that was not a logical argument from a historical standpoint at all. It was like saying "if you surf those waves, a shark is going to come and bite you for sure, so don't do it. It happened to that one guy."

So by your thinking since 9/11 and Pearl Harbor both only happened once actions shouldn’t have been taken to prevent them. Or to use your analogy because only one person got bit by a shark then they shouldn’t take any measures to keep others from getting bitten. You certainly play dangerously and if you want to talk about illogical thinking just because something hasn’t happened often doesn’t mean it can’t happen again is illogical.

Also stop putting words in my mouth, I never said he would for sure get injuries I said people were afraid he would and they had a reason to be. Just because you don’t value the health of players and think that teams should just let injuries happen doesn’t mean that’s it smart.

This last paragraph isn't making one point at all. You're just bringing up QB"s that got injured in one play. How else does an injury happen? Lol! Its football and people at every position get injured. Even with great protection sometimes, so again this doomsday scenario you keep pushing is not logical at all. Its a rare exception. And now that fear from the a very rare exception has cost the Texans Nuk and all of these other future draft picks where the low draft picks we'd have we won't even get to use.

So you rant on and on about how injuries happen all the time and then try and say it’s a rare exception. Why not try being consistent or is that to illogical.

 

[Texecutioner]

You throw that word out a lot and you come in here with your ”I told you so” as though you are the great avatar of truth. So some people GUESSED that a Osweiler would be bad, well you know what the Simpsons predicted Trump would be president so does that make everyone that thought it wouldn’t happen a liar? I also recall you praising the Texans for going after a Osweiler because it showed aggression.

You are now having to deflect to other topics, because you don't have a compelling argument. Stick to what we're talking about instead of reaching to stuff from years ago that you aren't even accurate on. It has nothing to do with the Tunsil Trade and that attempt alone makes this entire post look bad on your part.

So by your thinking since 9/11 and Pearl Harbor both only happened once actions shouldn’t have been taken to prevent them. Or to use your analogy because only one person got bit by a shark then they shouldn’t take any measures to keep others from getting bitten. You certainly play dangerously and if you want to talk about illogical thinking just because something hasn’t happened often doesn’t mean it can’t happen again is illogical.

Terrible analogy.

Also stop putting words in my mouth, I never said he would for sure get injuries I said people were afraid he would and they had a reason to be. Just because you don’t value the health of players and think that teams should just let injuries happen doesn’t mean that’s it smart.

All you did was bring up Andrew Luck, so yes you used a ton of fear mongering worst case in history scenarios to justify a horrible trade from a guy who is considered the worst GM in history by most.

So you rant on and on about how injuries happen all the time and then try and say it’s a rare exception. Why not try being consistent or is that to illogical.

Try keeping up with the conversation and using reading comprehension skills.

I said the Andrew Luck fear mongering example was a rare exception, not an injury by itself. Everything I've said is consistent. If you want to keep wasting my time, I'll gladly pull bump those old threads just to show you how foolish these arguments of yours have played out. It wasn't my interest, but if you want to keep digging this hole by justifying this poor trade we can go right back to review it again. I'd think you'd want that behind you personally, but since you want to discuss this it can be brought to light. Best thing for you is to let this go, because every argument you made blew up in your face. OB is the laughing stock of the league right now, and he is still trying to get the picks back that he lost.

 

[steelbtexan]

Point taken. But if I'm putting together a team, I want my top 3 WR on my team. Regardless of social media, I want DHop on my team.

They don't and it's their team

 

[steelbtexan]

Good post, but let's play fantasy football and pretend you are a GM (or GM/HC) of a team.

So let's ask the question, would you want to make decisions and put together a team according to the plan you have in your mind? Or would you be paying attention to social media, and what people are saying, and let this flood of opinion influence your decision making?

This puts me in mind of the fictional charachactor Sonny Weaver, in the movie Draftday. And of course, we know how anyone would respond.

Bill O'Brian and Cal McNair, and maybe some input from mother Janice, are putting together a team, their team.

I only hope they have as thick a skin as Donald Trump to face down their enemy's hate.

Great post

 

[DexmanC]

I come back to this team after all this time, and we get a coach dumber than Kubiak? Interesting

 

[texan279]

They don't and it's their team

I get that. But when 99.8% of people, the media, sportscasters, and talking heads are saying it's a stupid move that makes zero sense and can be added to the list of other stupid moves made over the years, that's saying something. But hey, if they want to continue to give up top tier players for peanuts it's fine by me. I know myself and numerous other people are happy spending our money elsewhere and doing something different on Sundays until BOB's stupid ass is gone.

 

[Texecutioner]

I come back to this team after all this time, and we get a coach dumber than Kubiak? Interesting

Holy crap!!

What's up Dexy!!!

 

[Texian]

Probably a guy getting a 2nd chance. Like a Jay Gruden. But if you can find a real GM and give him the power O'Brien has, a young up & comer like Lincoln Riley might buy in.

You might be right. I think Cal is either in over his head and doesn't want to deal with it, or to lazy and doesn't want to deal with it, or both.

 

[steelbtexan]

I get that. But when 99.8% of people, the media, sportscasters, and talking heads are saying it's a stupid move that makes zero sense and can be added to the list of other stupid moves made over the years, that's saying something. But hey, if they want to continue to give up top tier players for peanuts it's fine by me. I know myself and numerous other people are happy spending our money elsewhere and doing something different on Sundays until BOB's stupid ass is gone.

But the McNairs will still be there.

 

[maverick512000]

You are now having to deflect to other topics, because you don't have a compelling argument. Stick to what we're talking about instead of reaching to stuff from years ago that you aren't even accurate on. It has nothing to do with the Tunsil Trade and that attempt alone makes this entire post look bad on your part.







Terrible analogy.



All you did was bring up Andrew Luck, so yes you used a ton of fear mongering worst case in history scenarios to justify a horrible trade from a guy who is considered the worst GM in history by most.





Try keeping up with the conversation and using reading comprehension skills.

I said the Andrew Luck fear mongering example was a rare exception, not an injury by itself. Everything I've said is consistent. If you want to keep wasting my time, I'll gladly pull bump those old threads just to show you how foolish these arguments of yours have played out. It wasn't my interest, but if you want to keep digging this hole by justifying this poor trade we can go right back to review it again. I'd think you'd want that behind you personally, but since you want to discuss this it can be brought to light. Best thing for you is to let this go, because every argument you made blew up in your face. OB is the laughing stock of the league right now, and he is still trying to get the picks back that he lost.

First I was not deflecting and I am staying on topic. I realize you want to declare it off topic because it makes you look bad and hurts your case but that’s to bad.

Second I used your analogy so if it was a terrible analogy then you have only yourself to blame.

Third Andrew Luck is relevant to the discussion and again just because you declare it “fear mongering” and “worst case in history” doesn’t invalidate it. I would bring up David Carr as well but I’m sure you would just say that doesn’t count either. So seeing as every example I bring up you say it’s just fear mongering please show me all the examples of QBs that take 60 sacks every season that go on to have long, successful careers.

Fourth just because OB has done some of the dumbest trades in NFL history this season doesn’t automatically mean every move he made was bad. I get it, you didn’t like the Tunsil trade and now you are going to try and link everything that happens as a direct result of that. I see Kdog do this all the time but for him was OB being hired.

The fact remains that we had to have a LT and any we got worth a damn was going to be expensive. I’ve broken down before why Tunsil’s draft price was right on target so I’m not going to bother doing it again. If you care enough go search for it.

Finally for someone that likes to “stay on topic” you certainly like to use brow beat tactics to try and force the other person to be silent. You can cut out the “you’re going to look stupid and everyone is laughing at you” BS because it’s not going to work. If I cared what people, especially on this board, thought about me I would have been towing the OB is the devil and everything he does is stupid line.

Now why don’t you try to actually address the points instead of just declaring them off topic. You say the Tunsil trade is to blame, fine so answer this. What LT were we going to use if not Tunsil and if we were getting a new one where were they coming from and for how much?

 

[Texecutioner]

First I was not deflecting and I am staying on topic. I realize you want to declare it off topic because it makes you look bad and hurts your case but that’s to bad.

Second I used your analogy so if it was a terrible analogy then you have only yourself to blame.

Third Andrew Luck is relevant to the discussion and again just because you declare it “fear mongering” and “worst case in history” doesn’t invalidate it. I would bring up David Carr as well but I’m sure you would just say that doesn’t count either. So seeing as every example I bring up you say it’s just fear mongering please show me all the examples of QBs that take 60 sacks every season that go on to have long, successful careers.

Fourth just because OB has done some of the dumbest trades in NFL history this season doesn’t automatically mean every move he made was bad. I get it, you didn’t like the Tunsil trade and now you are going to try and link everything that happens as a direct result of that. I see Kdog do this all the time but for him was OB being hired.

The fact remains that we had to have a LT and any we got worth a damn was going to be expensive. I’ve broken down before why Tunsil’s draft price was right on target so I’m not going to bother doing it again. If you care enough go search for it.

Finally for someonwhat yoe that likes to “stay on topic” you certainly like to use brow beat tactics to try and force the other person to be silent. You can cut out the “you’re going to look stupid and everyone is laughing at you” BS because it’s not going to work. If I cared what people, especially on this board, thought about me I would have been towing the OB is the devil and everything he does is stupid line.

Now why don’t you try to actually address the points instead of just declaring them off topic. You say the Tunsil trade is to blame, fine so answer this. What LT were we going to use if not Tunsil and if we were getting a new one where were they coming from and for how much?

Until you can respond without "lying" about what you just said and did then come back to me. I've already addressed every point in this wasted post of yours that has already been proven badly wrong based on how we ended the season, the fact that Nuk is gone, and worst of all the fact that we have no draft capital now and a difficult salary cap to manage. The Texans said themselves that they were taking into consideration what they were going to have to pay Watson and Tunsil. Your little measly attempt to try and bring up some QB from like 4 yrs ago that I was never a big fan of was an attempt to switch directions so we didn't have to talk about Tunsil after you quoted my post to talk about the subject. There is no other reason why you would have done it, because it had nothing to do with anything. You look desperate by doing it.

 

[maverick512000]

Until you can respond without "lying" about what you just said and did then come back to me. I've already addressed every point in this wasted post of yours that has already been proven badly wrong based on how we ended the season, the fact that Nuk is gone, and worst of all the fact that we have no draft capital now and a difficult salary cap to manage. Your little measly attempt to try and bring up some QB from like 4 yrs ago that I was never a big fan of was an attempt to switch directions so we didn't have to talk about Tunsil after you quoted my post to talk about the subject. There is no other reason why you would have done it, because it had nothing to do with anything. You look desperate by doing it.

LMAO so whenever you want to avoid answering a question or addressing a point you just claim the person is lying. You're a one trick pony Tex, you attack the person because you can't attack the points with facts or anything quantifiable so you just say they are lying, their points are off topic and generally that they are wrong. All the while ignoring direct questions and people bringing up crap you've said in the past. I've asked you directly to show me all the QB that have survived getting sacked 60+ times a season, I asked you directly what LT you would use and where they would come from if not Tunsil, I told you that Tunsil price was right on point for a franchise LT and you've ignored all of these points claiming I'm switching topics and that it has nothing to do with the original point.

If anyone looks bad Tex its you because you can't debate or discuss anything without attacking the other person and the only facts you bring are your own personal opinions all the while disregarding what the other person says if not flat out ignoring it. Frankly you'd make a damn good politician.

 

[thunderkyss]

In this instance with Nuk however, you are correct BoB is mostly at fault for this situation...but not for the reason ya'll are on here crying about but for simply giving in and trading a guy that still has 3 years left on his deal.

Again, I don't care that he traded Hopkins, it's that his, "get rid of him now, at all cost" approach to team building has screwed our team again.

Oz, JD, Hop...

No poker face.

 

[Texecutioner]

LMAO so whenever you want to avoid answering a question or addressing a point you just claim the person is lying. You're a one trick pony Tex, you attack the person because you can't attack the points with facts or anything quantifiable so you just say they are lying, their points are off topic and generally that they are wrong. All the while ignoring direct questions and people bringing up crap you've said in the past. I've asked you directly to show me all the QB that have survived getting sacked 60+ times a season, I asked you directly what LT you would use and where they would come from if not Tunsil, I told you that Tunsil price was right on point for a franchise LT and you've ignored all of these points claiming I'm switching topics and that it has nothing to do with the original point.

Lied? Yeah you claimed you weren't deflecting and you did just by trying to Drag out some QB from 4 years ago that had nothing to do with anything. Now you're bringing up questions saying I didn't answer them when I did up thread already. I told you the answer was NOTHING earlier instead of wasting your future draft capital for years, but your reading comprehension is selectively bad obviously which is why You're bringing up Osweiller for some bizarre reason when this convo is about TUNSIL and O'Brien.

If anyone looks bad Tex its you because you can't debate or discuss anything without attacking the other person and the only facts you bring are your own personal opinions all the while disregarding what the other person says if not flat out ignoring it. Frankly you'd make a damn good politician.

I've talked about the Tunsil debacle which was "what you quoted my post" on.

As far as attacks go, There goes another "lie." What attack? Where? The only attack is you on this post right now doing anything you can but to talk about the Tunsil Trade. I've broken this trade down for two pages now with other posters and YOU. You don't like the results. I get it. Insulting me won't change anything. I'm still going to talk about how bad this trade was, because we're not done being effecting by it by a long shot.

 

[Thorn]

Who needs Hopkins when you got genius mastermind OB Da Chin to run things?

 

[Corrosion]

Who needs Hopkins when you got genius mastermind OB Da Chin to run things?

Best thing about this trade ….. It might expedite the removal of OB. This offense is gonna be bad.

 

[maverick512000]

Lied? Yeah you claimed you weren't deflecting and you did just by trying to Drag out some QB from 4 years ago that had nothing to do with anything. Now you're bringing up questions saying I didn't answer them when I did up thread already. I told you the answer was NOTHING earlier instead of wasting your future draft capital for years, but your reading comprehension is selectively bad obviously which is why You're bringing up Osweiller for some bizarre reason when this convo is about TUNSIL and O'Brien.



I've talked about the Tunsil debacle which was "what you quoted my post" on.

As far as attacks go, There goes another "lie." What attack? Where? The only attack is you on this post right now doing anything you can but to talk about the Tunsil Trade. I've broken this trade down for two pages now with other posters and YOU. You don't like the results. I get it. Insulting me won't change anything. I'm still going to talk about how bad this trade was, because we're not done being effecting by it by a long shot.

And you still haven't said who you would put at LT. Of course seeing as you think that Watson would be just fine and injuries are just apart of football maybe by "nothing" you mean we should just not have a LT.

I don't know it's hard to make sense of all that deflecting and disregard for facts you do what you are actually trying to say.

Also still waiting for that list of star QBs that take 60+ sacks a season in multiple seasons and have great careers. Face it, the facts are it was a needed trade and a good deal overall. Bob's current stupidity doesn't change the fact that Tunsil was a great move. Just like drafting Watt, Watson and Hopkins didn't make RS a good GM. By the way that's not changing topics that giving an example.

You can sit here in hindsight and act like a football guru but I'm sure if they had done nothing and Watson had gotten hurt you would be the first to say the Texans should have gotten him better protection. Must be nice to only pick a side after the battle is over.

 

[maverick512000]

Who needs Hopkins when you got genius mastermind OB Da Chin to run things?

Best thing about this trade ….. It might expedite the removal of OB. This offense is gonna be bad.

I'm not one for conspiracys regarding OB but I do find it very weird that the season we lose are best WR is also the season he handed playcalling off.

 

[Corrosion]

I'm not one for conspiracys regarding OB but I do find it very weird that the season we lose are best WR is also the season he handed playcalling off.

So …. He undermined the playcaller intentionally ?!

He's soon to retake that job ?

 

[maverick512000]

So …. He undermined the playcaller intentionally ?!

He's soon to retake that job ?

I don't know if I would go that far to say he did it intentionally though apparently this thing with Hopkins has been brewing awhile so why choose this season to give Kelly the reins knowing that Hopkins could be gone? It just seems like he, if not setting him up for failure, is not giving him his best chance. Certainly not as good a situation as OB has had.

As far as taking calling back even before Hopkins was traded I figured if the team wasn't at least 4-2 by week 6 he would take it back.

 

[Sonny]

So we should blame the players over OB's poor negotiating skills?

That has got to be one of the worst takes I've heard.

The players may not be innocent in the reason why they are being dealt, but they aren't playing a role in how their GM chooses to acquire compensation for them. That part is strictly on the GM to balance the team's assets and get good on his return for what he is parting ways with.

I haven't read this whole thread but as it has probably been pointed out, Hop wanted to renegotiate with 3 years left for a 20mm multiple year deal OR HE WAS GONNA NO SHOW.
Now.. if that is common knowledge among GM's assuming that player would demand an immediate contract, what do you think would be apropos?
He took the best deal offered. It may not be great but it's difficult to negotiate with little leverage.

Once again, the player forced situation.
OB didn't wake up one morning and say, you know what I should do today, FOR NO REASON.. I'M GONNA GIVE AWAY THE BEST RECEIVER FOR LATERAL RETURNS AND SUBJECT MYSELF TO MOCKERY.

I don't care how highly of poorly you think of OB.. I'm guessing that wasn't his goal for the day.

 

[TxnsJuggernaut1]

Umm that's kinda what happened here. QB & LT are priorities over WR...Noone wants to admit that in this situation, but its the reality & DW4 and Tunsil are connected and Tunsil's performance has a direct effect on DW4's play & frankly, with what we gave up to get Tunsil, there's no way in hell we're drafting someone to eventually replace him. & if Quality FA at LT were available, we would've had 1 already.

You've convinced me. Bob is a good head coach and GM. You need to call as many sports shows as possible and convince all the people who think BO'b is clueless that he is good at his jobs.

 

[TxnsJuggernaut1]

yeah b/c he had a crystal ball & knew he was going to be released..

Right on.

 

[Speedy]

I haven't read this whole thread

Then I guess you missed the part where Nuk was thrown in the same sentence as Aaron Hernandez and questioned about his baby mommas.

I don’t think OB woke up thinking hey, what a great idea it would be to give away one of the best players in the game. I think he’s a dude with zero control of his emotions. The thing with Mallett, the F you tirade with a fan, the man has got some wires loose.

 

[santo]

But he’s a leader of men and they play hard for him.

 

[DocBar]

And 2hat makes you think getting the contract redone when he was brought in would help? No way Tunsil would have been willing to just extend his rookie contract. He’s seen what’s going on around the league and if mid pack guys like Trent Brown are breaking records he knew he would blow almost any other contract away no matter what team it was.

Let’s say we didn’t sign Tunsil, what exac5ly were they suppose to do at LT? Davenport maybe or Howard, oh I know tell Kalil to put his skates back on he’s going on the line. Texans were screwed anyway they went, at least with a Tunsil they might keep Watson from being broken in half and have one good year.

Tunsil wasn't traded for to be a stop gap LT. The Texans should've made him the highest paid LT in the league last year and gotten a head start on the whole process. If you can't get that done, you don't make the trade. Sign and trade deals aren't impossible in the NFL. OB just sucks as a GM and a HC.

 

[banned1976]

First of all, I think O’Brien did say the things Irvin talked about AND context is important. I believe Hopkins when he said it was being blown out of proportion. But you don’t say those things, no matter the context.

Second, I could accept Hopkins being traded if I knew there was a master plan. That the team would be better, or the opportunity was there to get better. But trading for a running back that doesn’t appear to want to play football anymore and a hope that the second round pick makes up for the lost production in Hopkins, that doesn’t smack of a reasonable master plan. It looks like an emotional response from a guy with a reputation of flying off the handle often.

I’m taking a night class (when we start back again) called Behavioral Modification and Cognitive Restructuring. Without knowing the man or his methods, just from witnessing his outbursts and hearing second hand accounts of his behavior, O’Brien could benefit from some anger management classes. He needs some tools to help him modify his behavior before his professional career in football is wrecked beyond repair.

 

[Number19]

I haven't read this whole thread but as it has probably been pointed out, Hop wanted to renegotiate with 3 years left for a 20mm multiple year deal OR HE WAS GONNA NO SHOW.
Now.. if that is common knowledge among GM's assuming that player would demand an immediate contract, what do you think would be apropos?
He took the best deal offered. It may not be great but it's difficult to negotiate with little leverage.

Once again, the player forced situation.
OB didn't wake up one morning and say, you know what I should do today, FOR NO REASON.. I'M GONNA GIVE AWAY THE BEST RECEIVER FOR LATERAL RETURNS AND SUBJECT MYSELF TO MOCKERY.

I don't care how highly of poorly you think of OB.. I'm guessing that wasn't his goal for the day.

A voice of reason.

 

[Number19]

Then I guess you missed the part where Nuk was thrown in the same sentence as Aaron Hernandez and questioned about his baby mommas.

I don’t think OB woke up thinking hey, what a great idea it would be to give away one of the best players in the game. I think he’s a dude with zero control of his emotions. The thing with Mallett, the F you tirade with a fan, the man has got some wires loose.

Ah, I'm glad you brought this up. I was about to navigate upthread to find comment on this.

Just now I've reread this report in yesterday's Chronicle and the interpretation is that this is "fake news". Or maybe better described as jumping to the wrong conclusions.

The way the Chronicle quoted Irvin, O'Brien was comparing the type of meeting he was having with Hopkins with the last time he had had to have this type of meeting. He did not compare Hopkins to Hernandez. Again, it was the meetings he was comparing.

Also, the Chronicle reported that a source familiar with the situation said the team had no problems with Hopkins personal relationships.

Think for a moment, would a middle age white guy use the phrase "baby mama", especially in this setting. This is likely an Irvin embellishment.

The Chronicle quoted Irvin as saying, "he told DeAndre that he doesn't like his baby mamas around SOMETIMES" (emphasis mine). "Sometimes"??? Any reasonable interpretation would indicate that the individuals in question were showing up at the facilities at inappropriate times. Or were creating distractions from team time.

The follow up question should have addressed this possibility and were there team rules restricting times when family members could be present. And were the individuals in questions showing up during these restricted times.

Point being, as they say nowadays, Irvin is posting this story to generate clicks. It's sensationalism, taking an incident and blowing it up all out of proportion, just to create controversy and a news story.

 

[maverick512000]

Tunsil wasn't traded for to be a stop gap LT. The Texans should've made him the highest paid LT in the league last year and gotten a head start on the whole process. If you can't get that done, you don't make the trade. Sign and trade deals aren't impossible in the NFL. OB just sucks as a GM and a HC.

Under normal circumstances I would agree with you but in this case the circumstances were not normal. We were in desperate need of a LT and everyone knew it. We can argue all day about whose fault it was we got to that point but the fact is were there.

Add to that the nee CBA was going into effect and everyone knew the cap was to get a major bump. Any agent worth their salt would have been telling their elite clients not to sign anything until after it because highest paid pre-CBA and highest paid post were going to look worlds apart. Don't forget Rams traded for Ramsey for pretty much the exact same amount without a deal in place and you can argue it was a lesser need for them than LT was for us.

I'm not saying OB is a good GM, Hopkins deal shows he's not, bit the Tunsil trade was about the best you could get given the circumstances.

 

[maverick512000]

Ah, I'm glad you brought this up. I was about to navigate upthread to find comment on this.

Just now I've reread this report in yesterday's Chronicle and the interpretation is that this is "fake news". Or maybe better described as jumping to the wrong conclusions.

The way the Chronicle quoted Irvin, O'Brien was comparing the type of meeting he was having with Hopkins with the last time he had had to have this type of meeting. He did not compare Hopkins to Hernandez. Again, it was the meetings he was comparing.

Also, the Chronicle reported that a source familiar with the situation said the team had no problems with Hopkins personal relationships.

Think for a moment, would a middle age white guy use the phrase "baby mama", especially in this setting. This is likely an Irvin embellishment.

The Chronicle quoted Irvin as saying, "he told DeAndre that he doesn't like his baby mamas around SOMETIMES" (emphasis mine). "Sometimes"??? Any reasonable interpretation would indicate that the individuals in question were showing up at the facilities at inappropriate times. Or were creating distractions from team time.

The follow up question should have addressed this possibility and were there team rules restricting times when family members could be present. And were the individuals in questions showing up during these restricted times.

Point being, as they say nowadays, Irvin is posting this story to generate clicks. It's sensationalism, taking an incident and blowing it up all out of proportion, just to create controversy and a news story.

All very good points, I've compared this story to what you see so often in rape charges where the accused is guilty until proven guilty. Most people on here dont like OB so they are quick to believe the very worst and there is pretty much nothing that would change their minds.

You could have a recording of the conversation and people would still find ways to twist it. Remember we are getting a second hand account of one side of the story from a guy that has gotten creative with his facts in the past. Unless Brady suddenly signed with Dallas while I wasn't looking.

 

[austins23]

Best thing about this trade ….. It might expedite the removal of OB. This offense is gonna be bad.

My gramma used to tell me at my worst times...”well look at this way, things can’t get any worse can they?”

if gramma was still alive I’d tell her, “gramma, tune in to the Texans offense next year. It can get worse, and it will.”

 

[steelbtexan]

Then I guess you missed the part where Nuk was thrown in the same sentence as Aaron Hernandez and questioned about his baby mommas.

I don’t think OB woke up thinking hey, what a great idea it would be to give away one of the best players in the game. I think he’s a dude with zero control of his emotions. The thing with Mallett, the F you tirade with a fan, the man has got some wires loose.

Speaking of baby momma's, I hope they enjoy Glendale

 

[DocBar]

Under normal circumstances I would agree with you but in this case the circumstances were not normal. We were in desperate need of a LT and everyone knew it. We can argue all day about whose fault it was we got to that point but the fact is were there.

Add to that the nee CBA was going into effect and everyone knew the cap was to get a major bump. Any agent worth their salt would have been telling their elite clients not to sign anything until after it because highest paid pre-CBA and highest paid post were going to look worlds apart. Don't forget Rams traded for Ramsey for pretty much the exact same amount without a deal in place and you can argue it was a lesser need for them than LT was for us.

I'm not saying OB is a good GM, Hopkins deal shows he's not, bit the Tunsil trade was about the best you could get given the circumstances.

You should never be so desperate that you can't walk away from a deal. If I couldn't get Tunsil signed to a long term extension, I'd go into the season with what I had. You simply don't rent a player for what OB paid for Tunsil and Sills.

 

[dream_team]

Falcons signed Gurley for 5 mil. Texans paying David Johnson 11 mil next season. More signs of how idiotic this deal was.

 

[dream_team]

You should never be so desperate that you can't walk away from a deal. If I couldn't get Tunsil signed to a long term extension, I'd go into the season with what I had. You simply don't rent a player for what OB paid for Tunsil and Sills.

My thoughts exactly. Tunsil has all the leverage for his extension. And if he doesn't extend, just another horrendous deal on BOB's resume.

 

[santo]

If OB played poker, he would get upset at the first game when someone bluffed and would quickly go all in and lose.

 

[maverick512000]

My thoughts exactly. Tunsil has all the leverage for his extension. And if he doesn't extend, just another horrendous deal on BOB's resume.

Yes he does have all the leverage, but so does Watson and in fact any elite player for any team these days. Somehow the power has shifted from teams to players and it's mainly idiot teams like the Raiders who handed out big contracts to average players. So now any elite player knows if it doesn't work how they want, when they want then some other team will give them everything they want.

 

[Brisco_County]

Best thing about this trade ….. It might expedite the removal of OB. This offense is gonna be bad.

Hopkins was our sacrifice to the football gods to free us of O'Brien.

 

[Mr teX]

Not really, especially in the context of all three being your Offensive stars. If your All-Pro WR isn't a priority in today's passing game, who the he** is? At worst, Nuk is your #3 priority. Even at that, he's got zero leverage with 3 years remaining.

I agree that we're not drafting anyone to replace Tunsil anytime soon...unless we manage to screw up re-signing him. Hopefully Howard's injury is an aberration and we're set at tackle for the next 5-10 years.

Its becoming more of a luxury as opposed to a necessity imo to have a WR of Nuk's caliber. Of course you would rather have 1 than not, which is why i said how I would've handled it in my post about it.............but i think with how the passing game is evolving, you're going to see the type of money given to these guys begin to tail off & in the grand scheme, it's not going to make a whole lot of sense to have more than 16 per tied up in a WR..no matter how great he is. I'm saying this b/c i believe in the future, there's going to be so many capable guys available in FA....with so many more coming into the league every year. Just look at the draft classes. For the past 5-6 years in a row now..going back to Nuk's class in 2013 actually, every year people are saying that "this" particular class has the potential to be the best class of all time..They're saying it again this year. This isn't even counting the Adam Thielien's & Doug Baldwin's of the world coming out of nowhere.

Not counting NE, who i count as an aberration b/c of Brady, we've seen The Eagles, Seattle, the Rams & now the 49ers all get to and or win without a true #1 stud amongst their ranks. That's not even counting how the TE position has changed the game for these guys. Lamar Jackson threw 35 TD's last how many of those you think went to WR's?

 

[Number19]

Best thing about this trade ….. It might expedite the removal of OB. This offense is gonna be bad.

I disagree. On paper, we should be very good.

We're finally going to have some continuity with a very good OL. We're going to have an excellant RB outlet/short passing game and we're going to have depth and experience with RB pass blocking. We're going to have the opportunity to have excellant production from our TE's. We're going to have a premier deep passing game, when Fuller is on the field. And we're going to have experience and depth in the slot. We need only one more WR, which I anticipate acquiring in the draft.

It all rides on the shoulders of our QB.

The only reason for saying this offense is going to be bad in because of the distaste for O'Brian. It's personal, not an objective evaluation of our team.

 

[Texazan]

Speaking of baby momma's, I hope they enjoy Glendale

If Hop is smart, and I bet he is he'll stay out of Glendale. Leave the on the west side and stay in the east valley or Scottsdale.

 

[Texazan]

I disagree. On paper, we should be very good.

We're finally going to have some continuity with a very good OL. We're going to have an excellant RB outlet/short passing game and we're going to have depth and experience with RB pass blocking. We're going to have the opportunity to have excellant production from our TE's. We're going to have a premier deep passing game, when Fuller is on the field. And we're going to have experience and depth in the slot. We need only one more WR, which I anticipate acquiring in the draft.

It all rides on the shoulders of our QB.

The only reason for saying this offense is going to be bad in because of the distaste for O'Brian. It's personal, not an objective evaluation of our team.

Man, I felt much much better until you failed to mention who is LEADING our team. Again, Kelly may be not long for it if they dont get a good start on O. BOB wont be able to emotionally hold himself back. BOB is not a patient man. You only mentioned BOB as being hated for us being down on the team or offense as a whole but the HC is a HUGE part of this. I know you know that. It will be interesting to see the response.....

 

[mussop]

OB the next chip Kelly.

 

[Mr teX]

Man, I felt much much better until you failed to mention who is LEADING our team. Again, Kelly may be not long for it if they dont get a good start on O. BOB wont be able to emotionally hold himself back. BOB is not a patient man. You only mentioned BOB as being hated for us being down on the team or offense as a whole but the HC is a HUGE part of this. I know you know that. It will be interesting to see the response.....

It’s all a matter of perspective man...many here are so conditioned to take the worst case scenario outlook on things, it’s almost like the potential positive of something is nonexistent.