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Hopkins traded to Cardinals?

LMAO @ the notion that a player coming off his 3rd FIRST TEAM ALL PRO selection was somehow easy to trade because he 'wanted a new contract' .. "thought too much of himself" .. those are baseless and crass observations from a minority position that is stumbling on themselves trying to validate their emperor - you know similar to what North Koreans have to do for their "fearless leader".

Sad beyond measure to have to read these takes from fans .. of course you have the typical OBrien Apologists who have already chimed in with their undying support, but to just blurt out things like these just shows everyone how poorly this team is lead and followed.

Just because a player wants a new deal doesnt mean he gets a new deal, and at the very least someone of Nuk's tenure and status would deserve much better treatment .. if he sat out, then he sat out, but to throw him away in a temper tantrum is despicable. To try and make sense of the situation by painting OBrien in a positive light and Hopkins as a disgruntled employee is even further askew since all that rhetoric is behind closed doors. What we DO KNOW is that Hopkins was on social media pumping up other people as LEADERS and laughing at the trade.

This is a time when people are laughing at us, not with us. No need to compound matters by trying to make sense of it.

Hopkins was in no way/shape/form on a decline. He will have his best professional years to date with Arizona.
 
I wonder what Rick Smith thinks about all of this?

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That is hilarious and pathetic at the same time. McNair should force BOB run all of his trades in Madden first. I assume Cal is just going to stand by while this baffoon runs his franchise into the ground.

I’ll keep this board running for you guys but I honestly have no interest in this team anymore. I can’t stand BOB. Someone said it best with the comment that he’s got Belichik’s arrogance with Matt Millen’s brains.

Thanks, man. I'll stay on as a admin/mod for the forum because of the same, but my entertainment loyalty is to the NFL, which is where I was at when the Oilers left town. Just enjoy pro football as an entertainment medium without the 'obligation' to root for some mediocre franchise that happens to base itself in my city of residence.

I can't 'root' for laundry that represents systematic dysfunction, corporate marketing greed, and apathetic silver-spoon ownership. I can enjoy laughing at it, though.

The truth is when a patient is poisoned, you root for the antidote to work. In this case, the patient is the Texans, the poison is O'Brien, and the antidote is 2-14. Good luck with all that. O'Brien will set this franchise back a decade or longer with his idiotic and myopic decisions.
 
What? I know you are trying to make logic of this bad trade, but when has O'Brien done what's best for an individual? O'Brien is on record saying he does what's best for the team.

Whether Hopkins ask for more money is irrelevant. Trading him for Johnson is not in the best interest of the team.
And he has done neither for the team.." jag" players being overpaid and the getting little in return for the stars of the team

Sooner o'Brien is gone the better.
Too bad 2 years 2 late (and counting)

He wants full controll go back to college to coach because nfl is overmatched for him
 

The trade that will send DeAndre Hopkins to the Arizona Cardinals, we assume, will be completed on Wednesday — the first official day of the 2020 NFL season.

And that’s when the heavy lifting begins for the Houston Texans.

The swiftness with which they made the deal, landing RB David Johnson and a fourth-round pick from Arizona, makes you think they confidently believe they can land a wide receiver (or two) to help replace Hopkins.

Maybe it’s through the draft. Perhaps it’s a veteran. Or some combination of the two.

But wide receiver isn’t the only pressing need. They have a lot of holes for a team with a young franchise quarterback that led 24-zip over the eventual champs in the divisional round of the playoffs. The Texans defense gave up 51 points in that game. Houston’s offensive line gave up four sacks and got Deshaun Watson hit eight times that day.

The Texans’ needs run far and wide now. So how can they fix them?
Houston’s draft capital

Here are the draft picks the Texans. have to work with:

Second round (40th overall, from the Cardinals)

Second round (57th overall)

Third round (90th overall)

Fourth round (111th overall, from Miami Dolphins)

Fifth round (172nd overall)

Seventh round (241st overall)

Seventh round (249th overall)

Seventh round (251th overall)

That’s … not a lot.

Not receiving a single first-round pick for Hopkins or Jadeveon Clowney feels wild, and trading away firsts this year and next for Laremy Tunsil (and more) is equally absurd. Trading for three running backs in less than a year’s time is the licorice-flavored icing on this pickled herring-flavored cake.

But this is the bed Bill O’Brien has made. He now needs to find a lot of linen and comforters.
Which wide receivers can they land?

Whether or not the Texans go the veteran route at the position, the draft should theoretically give them some decent options — and wideouts of all shapes and sizes from which to choose.

First, there’s the current WR depth chart: Kenny Stills, Will Fuller, Keke Coutee, DeAndre Carter, Chad Hansen, Steven Mitchell, Jr., Isaac Whitney.

It’s not a promising group without help. It features two vertical receivers (Stills and Fuller), a few shaky slot options (Coutee and Carter) and some possible WR4 and WR5 types.

What it lacks is size, length and most of all, reliability. Stills has been healthy in his career, but Coutee and Fuller definitely have not to date — how much can you count on them? Hopkins was such a crucial security blanket for Watson, it’s difficult to imagine any one rookie coming in and filling his shoes in Year 1.

But let’s say Houston is bent on using the 40th pick on a receiver. There should be decent options.

Oklahoma’s CeeDee Lamb and Alabama’s Henry Ruggs III and Jerry Jeudy will be long gone. We figure that TCU’s Jalen Reagor — who went to high school and college within a few. hours of Houston — LSU’s Justin Jefferson and another local prospect, Baylor’s Denzel Mims will, too.

Mims’ Senior Bowl and NFL combine performances have him likely landing late first round, in our view. Arizona State’s Brandon Aiyuk could slip to 40, we suppose, but the Texans can’t count on that. If they want either, it likely will require a move up — and likely more picks out the door.

That narrows our list down a bit, to the likes of Clemson’s Tee Higgins, Colorado’s Laviska Shenault Jr., Penn State’s KJ Hamler and USC’s Michael Pittman Jr.
Clemson WR Tee Higgins could be a strong option for the Texans.

Of those, Higgins makes a lot of sense. His stock has cooled following a slow 40-yard dash (mid-4.5 seconds) at his pro day, and the depth of this class also has hurt. But Higgins has the big-game experience, size, ball skills and downfield ability to make him as good an option as any, if he’s still on the board at that point.

Remember, Hopkins was a mid-4.5 guy coming out, too. Both receivers have great body control, hands and suddenness to make their catches. It also might make Watson — who attends his alma mater’s games when possible — to land another Clemson guy (to replace the Clemson guy).

Shenault’s toughness and versatility could appeal to O’Brien, but the injury history would make it a tough sell at 50; he’d be more of an option at 57, we suspect.

Pittman is a bit of a poor man’s Higgins in a way, so he could be a decent fallback option, too. Hamler’s deep speed would be fascinating to pair with Watson, but that’s some skill overlap with Fuller and Stills.

We’d rank the second-round options for Houston in Round 2 as follows:

1. Higgins

2. Pittman (better at 57 than 40)

3. Shenault (at 57)

4. The field

One of those players can help rescue the Hopkins trade from total disaster, but it’s still a major climb and a giant leap to make that assumption.
What about the other needs?

The Texans theoretically could use help on all three levels of the defense. We’d say adding at least one edge rusher, one cornerback (even with Bradley Roby back), one or two linebackers, one defensive lineman (with D.J. Reader likely leaving in free agency) and another safety are on their to-do list.

Don’t forget that offensive line issue, too; it could use another player or two, we suspect.

If we’re saying that a receiver is likely at one of those two second-rounders, and you throw out the three seventh-rounders as dart throws not likely to strike oil, that leaves four draft picks — one each in Rounds 2, 3, 4 and 5 — to chip away at five or six positions.

We’re not great at math, but … that feels tough.

Whitney Mercilus was extended, and J.J. Watt showed he still might have some quality left with his incredible return for the playoffs. But swapping Clowney for less-than-equal return and a lack of depth have left the pass rush thin.

That, plus the back seven on defense and the OL shortage, and it’s a ton of accomplish in one offseason. There also is a lack of picks down the road. The Texans don’t have their first- or second-round picks in 2021. Spending too much in free agency this year will prevent them from gaining compensatory picks also, so there’s a catch-22 with that approach as well.

This simultaneously feels like a rebuild and a team desperately trying to stay in contention. And that’s possibly the worst state a team can find itself in. Choose one approach or the other and go full steam ahead. There’s no buttering both sides of the bread in this league.

Is it hopeless? No, but the pathway to success in 2020 feels difficult, especially with the Tennessee Titans appearing to reload and the Indianapolis Colts adding DeForest Buckner and still in good shape with their draft-pick till.

The Texans basically have to count on their scouting to ID ready-made and high-floor talents for this year to plug all the holes in the dyke and take advantage of Watson while they still have him. He’s under contract through the 2021 season (fifth-year option) and could be franchise-tagged for 2022.

But that window is closing quickly, with limited resources with which to keep it open. All eyes turn to O’Brien, the team’s head coach and GM, to fix them. That’s the biggest part that’s keeping Texans fans from hoping against hope that this self-inflicted teardown can be fixed.
 
Thanks, man. I'll stay on as a admin/mod for the forum because of the same, but my entertainment loyalty is to the NFL, which is where I was at when the Oilers left town. Just enjoy pro football as an entertainment medium without the 'obligation' to root for some mediocre franchise that happens to base itself in my city of residence.

I can't 'root' for laundry that represents systematic dysfunction, corporate marketing greed, and apathetic silver-spoon ownership. I can enjoy laughing at it, though.

The truth is when a patient is poisoned, you root for the antidote to work. In this case, the patient is the Texans, the poison is O'Brien, and the antidote is 2-14. Good luck with all that. O'Brien will set this franchise back a decade or longer with his idiotic and myopic decisions.
His draft record sucks and i guess he knows it by getting rid of picks for vets.. yet bill the gm decides to overpay on JAGS
 
"It’s disgusting. It’s a terrible trade. . . . He replaces Nuk Hopkins by overpaying the washed-up carcass of Randall Cobb. . . . If Bill O’Brien actually wins with this group of players, we’ve got to give him Coach of the Year." #Texans https://t.co/lQ0eWeNbFG
— CBS Sports Radio (@CBSSportsRadio) March 17, 2020


Bill O’Brien traded DeAndre Hopkins to the Arizona Cardinals for peanuts on Monday, and the NFL world is struggling to make sense of it.

"It’s disgusting," NFL insider Benjamin Allbright said on After Hours with Amy Lawrence. "It’s a terrible trade. It’s not the first time Bill O’Brien has made a terrible trade. If you go back and look at the trades they made last year, somehow Bill O’Brien has had Jadeveon Clowney and DeAndre Hopkins and managed to come away with no first-round picks for either one of them. You go back and look last year, he got robbed, dusted himself off, got robbed again back in August and then he comes back to the drawing board and gets robbed a third time going up against the Arizona Cardinals."

O’Brien traded Hopkins and a 2020 fourth-round pick to Arizona for David Johnson, a 2020 second-round pick, and a 2021 fourth-round pick.

Hours later, he signed Randall Cobb to a three-year deal worth $27 million, including $18.75 million guaranteed. Cobb, who has battled injuries throughout his career, turns 30 in August.

"He replaces Nuk Hopkins by overpaying the washed-up carcass of Randall Cobb," Allbright said. "At the end of the day, the Houston Texans have been a laughingstock on social media. If Bill O’Brien actually wins with this group of players, we’ve got to give him Coach of the Year."

It’s possible, however, that O’Brien has already lost the locker room. Several players were unhappy that he traded Hopkins, who averaged 105 catches for 1,371 yards and 10.3 touchdowns over the last three seasons.

"I know some guys in that locker room were pretty upset," Allbright said. "I talked to them [Monday] briefly. They liked Hopkins a lot. He was a leader in that locker room. He and Bill O’Brien didn’t get along, but Nuk and the players all did."

Without Hopkins, Deshaun Watson’s future in Houston is very much in doubt.

"If you’re Deshaun Watson, you got to consider your options," Allbright said. "Are you a guy that wants to continue playing for this franchise that continues to hang you out to dry? If I’m Deshaun Watson, I don’t know if I’m ever going to re-sign with the Houston Texans. I might tell them that upfront."
 
Really not much to add to what has already been written, except I'm more in line with SteelB than all the other negativity.

Not paying much attention to football right now, I only read about the trade in this morning's Chronicle, which had four writers bloviating on the trade. After reading all, my initial thought was that it was time to let Hop go.

I don't particularly care for players who think too much of themselves.

In 2017 Hop signed a contract with the highest guarantee in NFL history, for a receiver at the time. With three years remaining on this contract, he now wants more money. Sorry, kiddo, the NFL is a business and teams have the long term team salary cap to budget for.

I haven't and won't read this intire thread, but from the pages I have read, I haven't seen anyone comment on the possibility that this trade was done out of respect for Hopkins' contributions to the team. Maybe. Maybe not.

But Hop was an unhappy camper. The team was not going to renegotiate his contract to pay him more. It was in Hop's best interest to move on and the team did what was best for him.

Sure, I'd have liked the team to have gotten more in the trade. But that is what it is. Rather than moan and complain, I look forward to this coming season and seeing how we adapt and improve.

One more comment. Johnson is supposedly an excellant receiver out of the backfield. If his ankle and knee problems are in the past, he should be a good fit.
You make some good points, but I still don't make this trade. What does Nuk have to be unhappy about? $12.5-$13.5 mil a year is still good money. If it's about managing the cap due to Tunsil and Watson getting contracts done, the Texans have a guy that's a great cap expert....wait a minute...HAD a guy that is a great cap expert. I would hang on to Nuk for 2 more years then do what's best for him and trade him.
 
Really not much to add to what has already been written, except I'm more in line with SteelB than all the other negativity.

Not paying much attention to football right now, I only read about the trade in this morning's Chronicle, which had four writers bloviating on the trade. After reading all, my initial thought was that it was time to let Hop go.

I don't particularly care for players who think too much of themselves.

In 2017 Hop signed a contract with the highest guarantee in NFL history, for a receiver at the time. With three years remaining on this contract, he now wants more money. Sorry, kiddo, the NFL is a business and teams have the long term team salary cap to budget for.

I haven't and won't read this intire thread, but from the pages I have read, I haven't seen anyone comment on the possibility that this trade was done out of respect for Hopkins' contributions to the team. Maybe. Maybe not.

But Hop was an unhappy camper. The team was not going to renegotiate his contract to pay him more. It was in Hop's best interest to move on and the team did what was best for him.

Sure, I'd have liked the team to have gotten more in the trade. But that is what it is. Rather than moan and complain, I look forward to this coming season and seeing how we adapt and improve.

One more comment. Johnson is supposedly an excellant receiver out of the backfield. If his ankle and knee problems are in the past, he should be a good fit.

Good points, but I just can't wrap my mind around it.
You do not sacrifice the good of the team for the good of the player. As general manager, it is O'Brien's job to put the team first. He failed when he traded our best offensive player (who is also a beloved team leader). He failed again when he didn't get good compensation for moving our best player. He failed a 3rd time when he agreed to pay Johnson's contract. That is 3 fireable failures in one pathetic trade.

Good luck to Hop and all the other top tier talent left on this roster. This clown show is now being aired nationally.
 
This is what I'm saying.

Again, not defending the trade just adding some perspective. Their first round pick is 18 spots higher than the 40th overall we got.

A 5th & 6th is not a major haul. Had they got a 3rd & 4th then I could say, "Look at the haul they got for Diggs"

I agree, we should have got more for Hop. I don't agree the Vikings haul is substantially more than the compensation we received
By eating ALL of David Johnson’s contract, the Texans basically gave money to Arizona to take (arguably) the most talented receiver in the NFL off of Bill O’Brien hands. Oh, and the Texans gave up a 4th round pick this year to “sweeten the pot”. Look at the two trades in their totality and you’ll see how lopsided they are in favor of the Vikings.

There is no logical explanation or validation to what Bill O’Brien did to this team. He is rapidly draining it of talent and draft resources. It feels like the movie Slap Shot, where Paul Newman convinces the team that ownership is purposely trying to blow up the team so it can be moved and sold to some rich retirees in Florida. Unlike that movie, though, this isn’t going to end in a championship run. Maybe it will end with the team being sold. At this point I wouldn’t even mind if the team is moved. At least then I might start to enjoy watching the NFL again.
 
Really not much to add to what has already been written, except I'm more in line with SteelB than all the other negativity.

Not paying much attention to football right now, I only read about the trade in this morning's Chronicle, which had four writers bloviating on the trade. After reading all, my initial thought was that it was time to let Hop go.

I don't particularly care for players who think too much of themselves.

In 2017 Hop signed a contract with the highest guarantee in NFL history, for a receiver at the time. With three years remaining on this contract, he now wants more money. Sorry, kiddo, the NFL is a business and teams have the long term team salary cap to budget for.

I haven't and won't read this intire thread, but from the pages I have read, I haven't seen anyone comment on the possibility that this trade was done out of respect for Hopkins' contributions to the team. Maybe. Maybe not.

But Hop was an unhappy camper. The team was not going to renegotiate his contract to pay him more. It was in Hop's best interest to move on and the team did what was best for him.

Sure, I'd have liked the team to have gotten more in the trade. But that is what it is. Rather than moan and complain, I look forward to this coming season and seeing how we adapt and improve.

One more comment. Johnson is supposedly an excellant receiver out of the backfield. If his ankle and knee problems are in the past, he should be a good fit.

It's fine to have that take, but you still don't give away elite level talent for an open bag of chips. That doesn't help your team. How do you improve as a team when you give away great (JD) to elite (Nuk) talent, and get very little back in return?

And Duke Johnson is supposedly an excellent receiver out of the backfield too. None of that matters if you don't use them to take advantage of what they do well.
 
So, I was right? The team did what was in Hop's best interest?
Now the Texans don't have a franchise receiver, will massively overpay twice for Tunsil, still not have a 1st round draft pick and have Johnson&Johnson in the backfield. smh
It's gonna be interesting to see how much Tunsil demands, because there is absolutely no way OB can let him walk in FA. OB should've insisted on getting a sign and trade deal before shipping off the draft picks to get Tunsil.
 
After thinking about this, here are my thoughts:

Either:

A) McNair is cutting costs long term.

or

B) BoB doesn’t believe in paying certain position groups high cap allocation. If Hopkins wanted a restructure and he has this belief, trading him isn’t surprising. What he got is strange, but it’s also a shot at a guy who could be very good if over injury and also only a year of big salary. If he doesn’t produce next year, he can easily be cut for good savings.

So, assuming B, I don’t really disagree with the strategy, as long as both the money is well spent and the draft picks are used wisely.

What is very clear is that BoB highly disagreed with the previous admin’s use of cap. He’s been dramatically changing the team in his time as dictator. I don’t disagree with the overall route he is taking, I just have issue with the value he’s getting in the transactions he’s making. It’s clear he thinks he can get great value with this 2nd rounder he just acquired so we will have to take a long look at that pick.

Assuming A is not true, clearly BoB pitched completely retooling the team to McNair. we have tremendous cap space and flexibility right now, which can be very valuable. If spent well, I think alot of people will not think harshly of this move, but if not, it will lead to a full on rebuild of the entire organization.
 
But they had the money to take on David Johnson's contract and sign a 3rd string safety for $20.5 million?
Johnson is only going to cost $3M more than Hop's contract. To bring Hop's salary up to where it would have been in line with his peers would have been much much more.
 
By eating ALL of David Johnson’s contract, the Texans basically gave money to Arizona to take (arguably) the most talented receiver in the NFL off of Bill O’Brien hands. Oh, and the Texans gave up a 4th round pick this year to “sweeten the pot”. Look at the two trades in their totality and you’ll see how lopsided they are in favor of the Vikings.

There is no logical explanation or validation to what Bill O’Brien did to this team. He is rapidly draining it of talent and draft resources. It feels like the movie Slap Shot, where Paul Newman convinces the team that ownership is purposely trying to blow up the team so it can be moved and sold to some rich retirees in Florida. Unlike that movie, though, this isn’t going to end in a championship run. Maybe it will end with the team being sold. At this point I wouldn’t even mind if the team is moved. At least then I might start to enjoy watching the NFL again.
To add insult to injury, the Texans are eating the $3M signing bonus owed to Nuk.
 
You make some good points, but I still don't make this trade. What does Nuk have to be unhappy about? $12.5-$13.5 mil a year is still good money. If it's about managing the cap due to Tunsil and Watson getting contracts done, the Texans have a guy that's a great cap expert....wait a minute...HAD a guy that is a great cap expert. I would hang on to Nuk for 2 more years then do what's best for him and trade him.
At 40, Denzel Mims is on their radar. If the team could manage to replace Hop with Mims , this could be an interesting change.
 
Johnson is only going to cost $3M more than Hop's contract. To bring Hop's salary up to where it would have been in line with his peers would have been much much more.

And Nuk will give you 100 catches and 1,200+ yards. DJ2 might give you 9 games?

Heard an interview yesterday that he doesn't pick up offenses all that well. Carson Palmer had to pretty much explain to him what to do on every play in 2016 where he racked up 2,100 scrimmage yards. Without Palmer in his ear constantly, he hasn't done much. Now this guy is coming to an offense that we hear takes 3 years to get down? That should work out real well.
 
Nuk could've been on the team for 2 more years then traded. He's never been one to be a bad team mate. And $3M more would've put Nuk right in the middle of his peers.
I don't disagree. But there's more to the story than what is known. And it's only football.

Having no control over how the team conducts its business, I don't blow a gasket over how the team conducts its business. I find intrigue in the moves themselves. Nuke is gone; now I'm looking forward to the #40 pick.

There is obvious displeasure in this trade, but isn't it a bit ironic that OB is lambasted for failing to advance in the playoffs and then lambasted for making changes to the team. What drives this forum is hate and hate is not healthy. Better to just kick back and support the team regardless. Or not.
 
And Nuk will give you 100 catches and 1,200+ yards. DJ2 might give you 9 games?

Heard an interview yesterday that he doesn't pick up offenses all that well. Carson Palmer had to pretty much explain to him what to do on every play in 2016 where he racked up 2,100 scrimmage yards. Without Palmer in his ear constantly, he hasn't done much. Now this guy is coming to an offense that we hear takes 3 years to get down? That should work out real well.

Dude has played in 3 different systems since being in Arizona under Arians, Wilks & then Kingsbury. & even if we give real creedence to what this interviewee is trying to spin, it still can be explained simply by him learning to be a starter in those early years in Arians' offense. He was hurt in 2017. 2018 under Wilks he bounced back in a new system putting up a top 20 season in total yards from scrimmage where he was literally the whole offense of a 3-13 team that had a terrible Josh Rosen at the helm; A guy who couldn't even throw for 2500 yds in 10 damn games. That year he was also the 2nd leading WR on the as well. Even this past year he was still a better WR out of the backfield than Drake was & had as many recieving TD's as Fitzgerald despite not starting and getting the touches he was accustomed to.

IOW's, there not much there to suggest he has issues picking up new offenses.
 
At 40, Denzel Mims is on their radar. If the team could manage to replace Hop with Mims , this could be an interesting change.

You think replacing one of the top three wide receivers in the NFL with an unproven rookie is an “interesting change?” I have a much different word for it: idiotic.

It’s attitudes like this that enable the McNair family to continue shoving bad to mediocre football teams and coaches down Texans’ fans throats season after season. Why? Because they know that no matter what they do, there are enough football-crazed people in Houston that will support the team no matter what and others simply enjoy tailgating and using football games to hold social gatherings. That’s why Bill O’Brien and Gary Kubiak before him have enjoyed such incredible job security despite mediocre results.

Things need to change, and that means not supporting an incompetent, dysfunctional organization regardless of their actions.
 
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It is hard to be objective when the trade was one of the worst in history. I will never believe that the Texans did their due diligence in any of the above trades. There is nothing wrong with you defending Obrien, everybody has their right to their opinion. "Professional reporters" do not hold any more esteem as bearers of the truth for me than anyone else but that is my opinion. As far as the deal being about money, why did they take on an oft injured older RB that has base salaries of $10,200,000 and $7,950,000 the next 2 years in exchange for Hopkins? Does that money not matter, or if it was a good deal, why?
David Johnson can be cut after this season with $2.1 million dead money.
 
I don't disagree. But there's more to the story than what is known. And it's only football.

Having no control over how the team conducts its business, I don't blow a gasket over how the team conducts its business. I find intrigue in the moves themselves. Nuke is gone; now I'm looking forward to the #40 pick.

There is obvious displeasure in this trade, but isn't it a bit ironic that OB is lambasted for failing to advance in the playoffs and then lambasted for making changes to the team. What drives this forum is hate and hate is not healthy. Better to just kick back and support the team regardless. Or not.

The problem is that the incompetent head coach that made idiotic decisions that led to blowing a 24 point lead in the playoffs and failed to advance (AGAIN) is now the same incompetent general manager that is making equally idiotic decisions that are changing the make-up of the team. Bill O'Brien is the common denominator in this formula of consistent failures. Why is that so hard to grasp? A real fan supports and criticizes the team during the good and the bad. A cheerleader just sits back and claps for every move no matter how bad that move is.
 
Most important component being ignored; which 4th round pick did we trade? Ours or Miami's?


I think it is good to have Johnson & Johnson on field as we will need lots of first aid.
 
Has JJ weighed in on this, or is he maybe too pissed to respond at this time? I would love to hear some player's perspective on this debacle.
Watt went public about his feelings on the new CBA which of course he was critical of so therefor I'm being hopeful he will
comment about what's going on in the front office here in town if he's got issues, and as his life with his new wife and her career being relocated to another city is going thru lots of changes maybe he'd like a fresh start himself elsewhere ?
 
Hopefully this happens.

Good to see you back.

What QB's do you like in this draft?
After I took a knee on the NFL I lost my interest in the draft. However from what I have seen it is Burrow, Tua and then everyone else in a crapshoot. I would roll the dice on Fromm in the 3rd. That said, I think the Texans are one good injury away from being in the hunt for Trevor Lawrence except they don't have a 1st rd pick in 2021. Can you imagine the Texans get the first pick in 2021 and the Dolphins own the pick? Poor Cal.
 
A couple thoughts on the trade. I think back to 2014 when 3 to 4 teams were interested in trading for AJ. Conventional Wisdom was they were offering a 3rd rd and rumors of 1 team thinking a 2nd RD. Bob McNair nixed all trades. In 2015 Texans released AJ. I can't help but think that this still haunts Cal and may have played into agreeing to trade Nuk.

IMO I think Arizona only agreed to a 2nd RD pick if Texans agreed to take Johnson and his $11MM cap hit. In essence the Texans were trading for a 2nd RD pick. They weren't going to get a 1. Johnson finished the season 3rd on the depth chart. If Nuk wanted more money and shipped him out of town because of that, what does that say to prospective free agents?
 
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Johnson is only going to cost $3M more than Hop's contract. To bring Hop's salary up to where it would have been in line with his peers would have been much much more.

“ONLY” lol

It would have required an annual raise of 6Ms per year to get Nuk up to the pack.

That’s IF he would have requested more money ... which he never did.

This was 100% Bill OBrien the tyrant hurting his team to console his ego.
 
After I took a knee on the NFL I lost my interest in the draft. However from what I have seen it is Burrow, Tua and then everyone else in a crapshoot. I would roll the dice on Fromm in the 3rd. That said, I think the Texans are one good injury away from being in the hunt for Trevor Lawrence except they don't have a 1st rd pick in 2021. Can you imagine the Texans get the first pick in 2021 and the Dolphins own the pick? Poor Cal.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
 
There is someone on twitter telling a crazy story if true.

1. He said Hop said at the end of the season he expected to be traded
2. Hop also said Texans told him he had outplayed his contract, but they didn't have the money to give him a new deal
3. He also said he hadn't spoken to anyone associated with the Texans until they told him he had been traded.
 
There is someone on twitter telling a crazy story if true.

1. He said Hop said at the end of the season he expected to be traded
2. Hop also said Texans told him he had outplayed his contract, but they didn't have the money to give him a new deal
3. He also said he hadn't spoken to anyone associated with the Texans until they told him he had been traded.


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There is someone on twitter telling a crazy story if true.

1. He said Hop said at the end of the season he expected to be traded
2. Hop also said Texans told him he had outplayed his contract, but they didn't have the money to give him a new deal
3. He also said he hadn't spoken to anyone associated with the Texans until they told him he had been traded.
2 and 3 are contradictory. With three years left on his contract, why would the Texans even bring it up unless Hop had previously brought renegotiation up? And why would Hop say he expected to be traded unless there was something previously going on?

As I said in an earlier comment, there is more to this than has been made public.
 
You Know, I try very hard to look at moves this team makes logically and try to see the reason behind them. I don’t buy into the “it’s his ego” or “they won’t spend money” arguments because neither of those have any real bases. Likewise I understand there is a lot behind the scenes we don’t know or see so I try to factor that in as well.

All this means I have drawn a lot of fire as an OB defender and such but really I don’t care because the argument that is being called “defending OB” is simply the most logical and reasonable argument I can think of given the facts I have. The fact that it seems to defend OB more than not is just how the chips fall.

All that being said I can’t think of one damn logical reason for this trade other than either OB has lost his mind or they wanted to be sure and have a story to top Brady leaving the Pats.

Replacing draft capital: I could buy this if we got even one 1st round pick but we didn’t so they didn’t replace any draft capital.

Deep WR class: Again this only matters if you have the ability to get that player. To get any player that has a realistic chance at being Hopkins level will require we sell what’s left of the farm.

Issues between Hop and OB: This doesn’t even make sense to me because they’ve been together for 6 years and hung tough through the Hoyer and Osweiler years so why would they have problems now when things are actually looking up.

Hopkins wants a bigger contract: I don’t doubt Nuk wants paid more, who doesn’t, but he and his agent knows they signed a good deal for the time and that the price on players was going to go up. He also knew that his next contract would be huge and reset the market and at 26 there was no reason he wouldn’t have a next one. Let’s say though that he wanted a new contract now, they know we have to pay Watson and Tunsil so you're saying a guy that was a team player through the bad years is now not willing to wait even a year to get paid?

Try as I might I cannot come up with a single logical reason for this. I can think of excuses for it but they all require a certain suspension of disbelief that I’m not willing to make.


Maverick I can think of a possible logical reason... Just maybe Obrien "is" the guy we've been saying he is!
 
You know... honestly, if Watson didn’t carry Bob for 2 seasons straight, Hopkins would still probably be here. You’re going to have guys like number19 try to justify the horrible decision making by O’Brien trading away our best player and possibly the best player in the league. It’s seems like O’Brien wants to make this a heavy run offense with speedy receivers who are often injured and can’t block for whatever reason. The trade would make sense if we had gotten at least 2 first rounders but that isn’t the case. I hope Watson fakes a season ending injury in preseason so we can go 0-16 and O’Brien will be fired before Watson asks for money and is traded away. It seems as if O’Brien is purposely getting rid of this teams assets so the next coach or gm will fail. The owner is too dense to see this, I’m pretty sure all he cares about is puppet fans like number19 and maverick continuing to buy tickets and supporting this circus show. I have yet to hear this guy speak in a press conference about the team. I personally don’t think he knows what he’s doing or care for that matter. I’m sad that Hopkins is gone but I wish the best for him. I have a feeling Watson is going to carry this team to the playoffs again. He doesn’t know how to quit
 
You know... honestly, if Watson didn’t carry Bob for 2 seasons straight, Hopkins would still probably be here. You’re going to have guys like number19 try to justify the horrible decision making by O’Brien trading away our best player and possibly the best player in the league. It’s seems like O’Brien wants to make this a heavy run offense with speedy receivers who are often injured and can’t block for whatever reason. The trade would make sense if we had gotten at least 2 first rounders but that isn’t the case. I hope Watson fakes a season ending injury in preseason so we can go 0-16 and O’Brien will be fired before Watson asks for money and is traded away. It seems as if O’Brien is purposely getting rid of this teams assets so the next coach or gm will fail. The owner is too dense to see this, I’m pretty sure all he cares about is puppet fans like number19 and maverick continuing to buy tickets and supporting this circus show. I have yet to hear this guy speak in a press conference about the team. I personally don’t think he knows what he’s doing or care for that matter. I’m sad that Hopkins is gone but I wish the best for him. I have a feeling Watson is going to carry this team to the playoffs again. He doesn’t know how to quit

Puppet fan? LMAO I haven’t spent money on this team in 10 years so yeah I’m a puppet fan. Now shouldn’t you be off somewhere declaring Watson the greatest QB that has or ever will live?
 
Houston Texans deal DeAndre Hopkins to Arizona Cardinals: This is the worst trade of all time


The Herschel Walker trade was far worse imo but it's embarrassing that DHop's trade is even in this discussion.
 
Why are u guys still here posting if you’re so embarrassed, pissed and will no longer watch or support b/c Bob is still here? Like what good does it do to spam a fan MB with all this nonsense being posted? We get it, you hate BoB, you hate Cal and you hate everything that this franchise has done under BoB. Get over it already.

Like, **** I don’t care for or support anymore I completely check out on..See the Houston Rockets...can’t tell u the last time I went in clutch fans.
 
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