Seriously, the highlight of BOB's career is getting into an argument with Brady on the sideline. A talent deficient OC getting into a yelling match with an already 3 time SB winner by that point. Apparently even Brady was tired of his crap.
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Seriously, the highlight of BOB's career is getting into an argument with Brady on the sideline. A talent deficient OC getting into a yelling match with an already 3 time SB winner by that point. Apparently even Brady was tired of his crap.
For what it is worth Seth Payne ranted about O'Brian being a bad coach most of his show today.
You can listen here.
Payne and Pendergast Hour 1
Payne and Pendergast Hour 2
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banned1976
sleeper mode
John Lopez this morning kept saying O’Brien is a hindrance to Watson’s development. I completely agree and I know I’m not alone. Sean Pendergast was roasting O’Brien yesterday.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I agree with your post. Especially the bolded. We can say Watson needs work and still be for replacing our GM/HC/OC/QB Whisperer.
I believe for Watson to reach his potential it has to be under a different HC. One that can teach. Or coach. Or keep track of time for game management.
And for Pete’s sake get rid of Devlin.
Out of all these QBs that have started for O'Brian none of them have been smart enough to run his offense correctly.
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Ryan Mallett
Case Keenum
Brian Hoyer
TJ Yates
Brandon Weeden
Brock Osweiler
Tom Savage
Deshaun Watson
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
We know DW4 is still on a steep learning curve - after all, he is really just a sophomore.
That OB's incidences of ineptitude are mounting is the issue here.
That he cannot come up with a scheme to consistently help Watson and aid him in his development is a real problem.
His stubborn insistence on wearing too many hats also contributes to his poor decision making as a HC in my opinion.
Byrds Man
Waterboy
Here's a quick history lesson:
The 1958 Green Bay Packers roster included the following players.
Bart Starr
Paul Hornung
Jim Taylor
Max McGee
Jim Ringo
Ray Nitschke
Forrest Gregg
Jerry Kramer
The head coach was Ray McLean and their record was 1-10-1. (They only played 12 regular season games back then.)
So for 1959 they hired the OC of the New York Giants to be their new head coach. Under this coach the Packers won 5 NFL championships and the first two Super Bowls.
I believe that the Texans have an incredible number of excellent players who just need the right head coach to lead them to multiple championships.
Sadly, I don't think the current head coach is that man. I hope I'm wrong.
The 1958 Green Bay Packers roster included the following players.
Bart Starr
Paul Hornung
Jim Taylor
Max McGee
Jim Ringo
Ray Nitschke
Forrest Gregg
Jerry Kramer
The head coach was Ray McLean and their record was 1-10-1. (They only played 12 regular season games back then.)
So for 1959 they hired the OC of the New York Giants to be their new head coach. Under this coach the Packers won 5 NFL championships and the first two Super Bowls.
I believe that the Texans have an incredible number of excellent players who just need the right head coach to lead them to multiple championships.
Sadly, I don't think the current head coach is that man. I hope I'm wrong.
TripleTap
Dead Wood
The undeniable fact is BO's 6 years have demonstrated he's mediocre or worse at best. He does not deserve to be a head coach. Deserves to be fired. Today.
Let's move on and try to take advantage of whatever skills the team has instead of trying to shoehorn the team into some imaginary "system" that BO runs. It looks like sandlot football out on the field.
Did anyone notice how much more sophisticated and practiced and disciplined the other offense looked yesterday? And how the Texans on offense looked like a scattering roaches let out from under a box, play after play?
It's embarrassing and ridiculous, and Cal should take note and take action. Now.
Let's move on and try to take advantage of whatever skills the team has instead of trying to shoehorn the team into some imaginary "system" that BO runs. It looks like sandlot football out on the field.
Did anyone notice how much more sophisticated and practiced and disciplined the other offense looked yesterday? And how the Texans on offense looked like a scattering roaches let out from under a box, play after play?
It's embarrassing and ridiculous, and Cal should take note and take action. Now.
Offenses with Minshew and Kyler Allen look better. It's ridiculous.
PapaL
Loose Screw
And their OC protected them and the teams deficiencies all game long. Find what you do and do it well. We’re good at getting Watson hit.
Texansballer74
The Marine
banned1976
sleeper mode
So, time for a new QB? Maybe they can use their 2020 first round pick on one. Oh that’s right, they don’t have one of those. Ok, it’ll have to wait until 2021. Oh, that’s right...
So what you’re saying is, we’re screwed. Because BoB isn’t going to change and Watson’s an idiot. Good to know.
Honestly, you’re Watson is too dumb to play QB for O’Brien ranks way up there on bad takes. I’ve seen no evidence to suggest Watson can’t run the EP. Now how about exploring O’Brien’s dim witted use of the game clock, challenges and TO’s for the last 5 and a quarter seasons and then tell us how dumb Watson is again. In other words, go sell that **** somewhere else.
BTW, I find it interesting that BoB the GM would spend so much draft capital protecting a QB that’s too dumb to run his system. Don’t you find that interesting to?
Well, we need a new qb so it’s back to 1.
So, we can look forward to you replacing your "Ricky this, Ricky that" mantra with Watson is "as dumb as a rock and isn't smart enough to run BOB's offense"?
No offense has ever worked with the QB's we've had in Houston except for Schaub/Kubiak for a couple of yrs.
I'm also not opposed to changing HC's if you can name me somebody you think will be an upgrade.
This is why I'm not opposed to either changing the offense to one Watson is comfortable in or change HC's
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I used to think like you steel, but now I am willing to try anything to see if we can get Watson some real help.
It is well known that O'Brien's "system" is complicated - so much so that it would take a vastly experienced player to run it. Iow, it takes too long to learn it.
Obviously not a good thing with a team that seems to be as disjointed as this one.
We have too many stars and potential to be underperforming like we do.
They will go as far their HC/QB takes them.
ColeThornton
Waterboy
I agree, we're past the point of waiting for a "proven" head coach to replace O'Brien. After all, how often is a proven good coach available... like almost never? We had to go through how many QBs before we found Watson. The mistake we made was sticking with the bad ones too long. The sooner we hire a new head coach the sooner we have a chance of getting a good one. After 5+ seasons O'Brien is what we know he is. This is an average team with above average talent and a bad coach.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
You must have not been listening to 610 much lately. They are all pretty much hating on BOB.
I’m really starting to get warm fuzzies about OUs Lincoln Riley. He’s young but talk about being a QB guru!
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Gregg Williams for HC. Defense wins championships.
Mike LaFluer for OC. Brother of Matt. Coaching under Kyle Shanahan. Good stock.
Or promote our QB coach to install a system similar to Seattle where he came from that Russell Wilson uses.
Or you can get the guy pan handling on the corner of the street. All upgrades.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Out of curiosity Mr Tex, what is your solution to improving this team (specifically the offense)?
- Are you convinced DW4 is not fit for this offense?
- Does DW4 & BOB just need more time together?
- Do we need more talent at a particular group?
Now, this is what I do know. Ever since BOB has become HC, we have been a below average offense. I'm basing this off not only the "eye test", but also Football Outsider's offense DVOA. We have always been ranked in the 20s. (for comparison, we were #9 in 2011) Godsey was made a scapegoat, so BOB took over OC duties, but that didn't help. It's unfair to give him this carousel of crappy QBs, so we drafted DW4 for him, but that still hasn't proven to work out. Many theorized RS & BOB are mis-aligned, so we let him go, that didn't help. Gaine was thought to be the solution, but then he got canned. We didn't invest in the OL, so we did, but that still doesn't appear to be helping. In the past two years, the team has highly invested in improving the talent level on the offense, but it doesn't appear to help improve the offense as a whole.
It should be no surprise that many are pointing at the HC. He got rid of the OC, took over play calling, got rid of two GMs, highly invested in offensive players... but yet, the same problems still exist.
So... what is your solution to all this madness?
Gregg williams is a D-bag. I’m not sure the old adage “defense wins championships” is still viable. It’s clutch offense that is the new way.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Thus not putting a player in a position to succeed
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
None of them in year 3
This is a great response. By year three, one of the smartest QBs in NFL history did such a great job reading defenses he threw 58 interceptions and that was without making the OL calls. I guess SteelB would have written Manning off as being dumb as a bag of rocks.
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The irony
Worth doing some homework on just how much Eric Bieniemy's contributing to KC.
I would really like Williams to be HC if BOB is let go.
Yep,
You cant expect him to run a pro style offense at this point in his career apparently.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Ben and Rivers were.
They are the exception to the rule.
This is why I say let Watson run the offense he's most comfortable with and let the chips fall where they may.
Look at last year. 2nd most points in Texans history & that's with a less than good OL & less than healthy WRs.
Granted, there was a lot more Watson hocus pocus than scheming & Watson did get sacked a lot.
But that sitshow looked better than what we saw yesterday.
True,
The learning curve is deep.
You know what BOB needs to do to make the learning curve almost non existent.
QB year 3-
Roethlisberger - 59.7% - 3,513yds - 18td - 23int - 75.4 rating
Rivers - 61.7% - 3,388yds - 22td - 9int - 92 rating
Roethlisberger - 59.7% - 3,513yds - 18td - 23int - 75.4 rating
Rivers - 61.7% - 3,388yds - 22td - 9int - 92 rating
Jerry#99
Texans HOF
A NEW HEAD COACH!! O’Brian is an arrogant control freak who has zero capabilities as a HC in the NFL! He has proven game after game over 6 seasons that he is very under qualified and thst the game moves MUCH TOO FAST for him. He is better suited for a mediocre college Div 1 Of Div 2 program...but NOT the NFL!
Garnder Minshew has 106.9 qbrating and 7-1 td/int ration this year.
And his HC and head of football operations are obvious football conservatives.
The Jock Strap King obviously can't be destroyed.
And his HC and head of football operations are obvious football conservatives.
The Jock Strap King obviously can't be destroyed.
Really other than a promotion having to do more with a sticky situation and a hire by the McNair he has really never been hired based on his previous success.
Mason Rudolph and Kyle Allen (undrafted fa with about 4 or 5 total starts in his college career)moved their team better and looked more poised than Watson. Do you think they are better talents or could it be bob?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Quite simple. Abandon the gameplan approach and embrace an offensive philosophy of passing to set up the run instead of the direct opposite approach he does now. Stop trying to emphasize being balanced. Run more tempo..roll the pocket more...and let the chips fall where they may.
We’re really not as far off as folks in here think. We’ve had good offensive performances in 2 out of the 4 games so far this year and those 2 were against 2 pretty good teams. Typically under BoB we’ve only gotten 2 to 3 a year...if that.
As many as it takes to get Obrien fired. We the fans deserve better than this. We have a better team than we show due to the coach .
texanhead08
All Pro
Stats can be misleading to how bad the offense is playing. The Texans have 1 offensive touchdown in each home game and they both came on turnovers close to the red zone. They have been beyond bad on offense in both home games and those were both against backup QB's and they were lucky to win against Jacksonville.
The stink on the offense is all on O'Brien and its always the same every season. I am afraid because the division is so bad they could finish 8-8 win the division get smashed in the first round and Obrien comes back another year.
It was also very telling to watch Norv Turners play calls to help his backup QB not lose the game and just totally taking the Texans out of the game by milking most of the last 9 mins of the game.
You think Cal is reading this board?
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I’m in the same boat, while I would like someone that is proven at the same time it really bothers me how hot and cold the team is. BoB goes from calling great games against Saints and Chargers then shitty calls against Jags and Pants. Watson is hot and cold to but you can overcome a hot and cold QB if your HC or at least OC is steady and settles him down, slows and shortens the game when he is cold and opens it up when he is hot. BoB seems to have one speed and puts it on Watson to make it work.
As far as Watson needing to be able to basically call his own plays like Steel says BoB expects Watson to do well if that’s the case then apparently it’s something that even the greatest QBs weren’t expected to do.
This is from 2015 but is basically Rogers saying no QB calls their own plays even Manning.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...rodgers-on-calling-own-plays-nobody-does-that
He said all Manning did was make checks after dissecting the defense. Well if Watson has to do like Manning to make BoBs scheme work then basically he has to be as good as arguably the best to dissect defenses that ever played.
Doubtful.... but just in case....
*clearing throat* ~Looking down with the sound of rusting papers~
"Mr. McNair, I beseech you to allow me to be the GM,OC,HC or all of these positions.
I will take half the pay of the current position holder."
~looking down at papers~
"IF I can't do a better job, I will walk away with an apology to your family and the fans for wasting your time, the fans patience, emotions and the cost they spent both in regards to their hard earned money and their precious time aqay from work to follow my failures."
~Sound of rustling papers~
"I thank you for your time and good day to you sir."
~Walking away~
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