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I still think so.
O'Brien even made Brady look like crap in the two playoff games he was the playcaller for on the pats.
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I still think so.
O'Brien even made Brady look like crap in the two playoff games he was the playcaller for on the pats.
If you go to the pats message boards they had the same comments about his playcalling we have now .No one called him an offensive genius other than some Texans fans around the city. Other than that, the title of that is pretty much fake news.
OB never had a bad reputation what so ever in NE. What you're saying is simply not true. He was never ran out of NE.
Getting a HC job at a huge school like Penn State was a great opportunity for him. It was a difficult one based on what had just happened, but he took it and made the most of it.
You can pick apart his career here all you want, but his track record on those two places was positive. That's why the Texans and other teams not only had interest in him, but also why the Bob McNair paid a ton of money to get him out of his contract. His stock was high for a reason.
Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. You do realize Texecutioner is a huge pats fan as well? McDaniels was brought in immediately in part b/c he'd already been there before, he was or knew he was about to be fired by Denver, he was familiar with the NE system...... & Belichick probably already knew BoB was going to be leaving....If you go to the pats message boards they had the same comments about his playcalling we have now .
And mcdaniels was brought in immediately even though obrien was still there and had not left for Penn State. The offense was better
McDaniels is far better than obrien. That's why he replaced obrien immediatelyNow you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. You do realize Texecutioner is a huge pats fan as well? McDaniels was brought in immediately in part b/c he'd already been there before, he was or knew he was about to be fired by Denver, he was familiar with the NE system...... & Belichick probably already knew BoB was going to be leaving....
Citing MB fans commenting about playcalling is nothing new...fans on every single MB in america do that...IOW, water is wet & that's what they do.
He interviewed January 5. Josh McDaniels was hired a few days later and rumors of him coming back were before then.O'Brien had interviewed with Penn St. and accepted that job before the 2011 postseason.
The Pats immediately brought McDaniels in because he had just been let go from St. Louis and they knew O'Brien was leaving after the playoffs.
OB also had an interview scheduled with the Jags the week before that. The Pats already knew he was looking for a head coaching job.He interviewed January 5. Josh McDaniels was hired a few days later and rumors of him coming back were before then.
I think he knew he was getting replaced. I don't see Patriots OC to Penn State in turmoil as an upward move
He never interviewed there in the end. He probably also knew they were trying to bring McDaniels backOB also had an interview scheduled with the Jags the week before that. The Pats already knew he was looking for a head coaching job.
So what he didn't interview? He interviewed with PSU instead.He never interviewed there in the end. He probably also knew they were trying to bring McDaniels back
I didn't say not interviewing for the jags mean anything. But I think it's obvious McDaniels is a far better OC and belichick was gonna replace obrien with him.So what he didn't interview? He interviewed with PSU instead.
The latter is sheer speculation on your part.
Sure it does. He wanted to be a head coach and he felt like he could prove himself at PSU.I didn't say not interviewing for the jags mean anything. But I think it's obvious McDaniels is a far better OC and belichick was gonna replace obrien with him.
I would find it hard to believe that belichick actually wanted to keep obrien as OC but obrien wanted the penn state job. Doesn't add up logically
Fair enough but the two years with obrien as playcaller were the only two years Brady has ever been one and done in the playoffs.Sure it does. He wanted to be a head coach and he felt like he could prove himself at PSU.
And the pats hadn't exactly been performing badly on offense in the years that he was calling plays there. That's not to say that their offensive performance was necessarily all thanks to OB, of course not. Just that he hadn't given Belichick so many reasons to can him.
I'm just looking at this objectively. I don't care whatsoever for O'Brien myself.
And the players have to make plays, including Brady and Deshaun.Fair enough but the two years with obrien as playcaller were the only two years Brady has ever been one and done in the playoffs.
I remember people calling rex a genius on the Jets because he stopped the mighty pats. Turns out he just stopped obrien
Of course you dontHe interviewed January 5. Josh McDaniels was hired a few days later and rumors of him coming back were before then.
I think he knew he was getting replaced. I don't see Patriots OC to Penn State in turmoil as an upward move
The Pats offense was tremendous with him. I'm a die hard Pats fan. I know. If it was bad, I'd have no problem destroying OB for it just like I do for his tenure here. Pats fans weren't all up in arms over OB either. Josh McDaniels had a great run there. The Pats went back after once he was getting released from the Rams and knew that OB was leaving for Penn State. They knew OB wasn't staying there for a big HC job. I understand that you don't like OB. I don't either at this point, but there is no reason to trash what he did at other places that helped him get his job here. If anything, your argument should be that he coached Tom Brady and that Brady just made him look good which is more likely the accuracy of the case.If you go to the pats message boards they had the same comments about his playcalling we have now .
And mcdaniels was brought in immediately even though obrien was still there and had not left for Penn State. The offense was better
I don't believe Watson is infallible. In fact I didn't think he was a good pick because the scouting reports from college showing accuracy issues and average arm strength. I think those are real but overblown issues and his big play ability, quick release and ability to keep his eyes down field are fantastic.And the players have to make plays, including Brady and Deshaun.
Contrary to so much bickering there is actually more than just black and white to fault. Both parties are culpable.
Just going off of comments I think you seem to believe that Watson is utterly infallible.
Fair enough, they had a good regular season offense 2 years with OBrien as playcaller. But it's also undeniable they were bad in the playoffs. Brady put up a 49 qbrating the first year (by far his worst) and then the next year against the Ravens the offense only scored 14 points.The Pats offense was tremendous with him. I'm a die hard Pats fan. I know. If it was bad, I'd have no problem destroying OB for it just like I do for his tenure here. Pats fans weren't all up in arms over OB either. Josh McDaniels had a great run there. The Pats went back after once he was getting released from the Rams and knew that OB was leaving for Penn State. They knew OB wasn't staying there for a big HC job. I understand that you don't like OB. I don't either at this point, but there is no reason to trash what he did at other places that helped him get his job here. If anything, your argument should be that he coached Tom Brady and that Brady just made him look good which is more likely the accuracy of the case.
Top 5 in our division. Stop being so negative.Sorry but No, There is no argument where he is top 5.
Minshew is catching up. lolTop 5 in our division. Stop being so negative.
You keep trying to create this narrative that O'Brien ruined their playoffs. It's totally not true, and this is has never been spoken anywhere on the Pats boards or NE media anywhere back then. They went up against a NY team that had a fantastic top D, and got out played by a team that knew them very well who O'Brien and Brady put up like 50 on earlier that year. If you're trying to blame O'Brien for the Ravens loss where Brady threw like 4 picks in that game, then that was the year he was coming off of an injury and wasn't the same until that very next season. The Pats went like 10-6 that season.Fair enough, they had a good regular season offense 2 years with OBrien as playcaller. But it's also undeniable they were bad in the playoffs. Brady put up a 49 qbrating the first year (by far his worst) and then the next year against the Ravens the offense only scored 14 points.
As far as which happened first, O'Brien leaving or belichick telling him McDaniels was gonna take over, we can only speculate
Being realistic isn’t being negative. I believe he will be great but he isn’t yet. It’s silly to think he is top 5. That’s being a homer.Top 5 in our division. Stop being so negative.
I rest my case. Not quite top five yet.Watson compared to the rest league...
20th Completions
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18th Yards passing
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12th QBR
13th 300+ Games
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Some players were left out as they didn't play enough(imo).
https://www.lineups.com/nfl/player-stats/quarterback-qb-stats
Lol your serious. On the road vs an undefeated team desperate to win against you because you own them.Brady threw for 150 and a pick
He was very inaccurate.
Not a top 10 QB.....
Watson’s norm is elite. Y’all need to chill.
I need to coach betterLol...
It was a joke. Top 5 in a 4 team division?Being realistic isn’t being negative. I believe he will be great but he isn’t yet. It’s silly to think he is top 5. That’s being a homer.
Sorry. My sarcasm meter sucks lately.It was a joke. Top 5 in a 4 team division?
Honestly, I don't give a rat's ass what he did in NE, Paterno St, or anywhere else for that matter. I care about what he's done in Houston, TX. I dislike this guy because of what he's done here.Fair enough, they had a good regular season offense 2 years with OBrien as playcaller. But it's also undeniable they were bad in the playoffs. Brady put up a 49 qbrating the first year (by far his worst) and then the next year against the Ravens the offense only scored 14 points.
As far as which happened first, O'Brien leaving or belichick telling him McDaniels was gonna take over, we can only speculate
Yes & following this team just sucks the fun out of watching football.Sorry. My sarcasm meter sucks lately.
Pretty much goes for about 80% of the league every single season after week 3..Yes & following this team just sucks the fun out of watching football.
Honestly, I don't give a rat's ass what he did in NE, Paterno St, or anywhere else for that matter. I care about what he's done in Houston, TX. I dislike this guy because of what he's done here.
Hilarious. He’s not even so much as top 10 in any statistical category, yet all the homers on here claim he’s a top 5 qb.Watson compared to the rest league...
20th Completions
16th Completion percentage
18th Yards passing
16th Touchdowns
12th QBR
13th 300+ Games
16th Yards/Attempt
19th Yards/Completion
-2nd Sacks
Some players were left out as they didn't play enough(imo).
https://www.lineups.com/nfl/player-stats/quarterback-qb-stats
Hilarious. He’s not even so much as top 10 in any statistical category, yet all the homers on here claim he’s a top 5 qb.
Delusion at it’s finest.
Very interesting.Watson compared to the rest league...
20th Completions
16th Completion percentage
18th Yards passing
16th Touchdowns
12th QBR
13th 300+ Games
16th Yards/Attempt
19th Yards/Completion
-2nd Sacks
Some players were left out as they didn't play enough(imo).
https://www.lineups.com/nfl/player-stats/quarterback-qb-stats
Which is why BOB needs to go back to the first 7 games of Watson's career offense. Injury be damned, because they will never win anything with Watson running BOB's EP offense. Watson cant run the EP system.Very interesting.
Watson has the potential to be top 5, but he needs an OC and scheme that is aligned to his strengths and talents. O'Brien and his "gameplan" scheme seem detrimental to that cause. He's going to break Watson before Watson can truly realize his full potential.
We've seen this movie before. . .
I think Watson is talented enough to run any offensive system. I just think OB's "system" is not working. It just feels to me like everything is off schedule with this offense. Oline issues, Watson holding ball too long, etc. Johnson has been targeted TWELVE times in the passing game. Why can't OB get him more involved in the passing game? Why are the TE's damn near non existent? I just think OB is in over his head trying to game plan, call plays, and do everything else.Watson cant run the EP system.
OB also had an interview scheduled with the Jags the week before that. The Pats already knew he was looking for a head coaching job.
That's an interesting point to consider. There is clearly something off between O'Brien's scheme and Watson's implementation of it. Is O'Brien still running a quasi-Patriots EP scheme? Honestly, I don't recognize it when compared to the well-oiled and efficient machine that is the Patriots offense.Which is why BOB needs to go back to the first 7 games of Watson's career offense. Injury be damned, because they will never win anything with Watson running BOB's EP offense. Watson cant run the EP system.
They matter when you're trying to advance your narrative, not so much when they dont fit it.Box score stats don't tell the whole story. I'd rather look at more advanced stats and I think be is. He and mahomes are the two best young QBs.
That's cool. What advanced stats have him top 5 right now?Box score stats don't tell the whole story. I'd rather look at more advanced stats and I think be is.
That's cool. What advanced stats have him top 5 right now?
Pff had him top 5before last game. Have not seen updated gradesThat's cool. What advanced stats have him top 5 right now?
There's a difference between box score raw states and analytic stats like football outsiders and pff provideThey matter when you're trying to advance your narrative, not so much when they dont fit it.
The EP scheme is just about terminology. Same as the WCO. Most teams run the same plays more or less, EP, WCO is just about how the players & coaches relate to those plays.Is O'Brien still running a quasi-Patriots EP scheme?
NE's EP system is a bit different than the rest. Here is a great article about it:The EP scheme is just about terminology. Same as the WCO. Most teams run the same plays more or less, EP, WCO is just about how the players & coaches relate to those plays.
NYG, Patriots, Steelers all (at one time or another) utilized an EP offense, but they never looked like one another.
Pittsburgh was a big play offense that ran the ball a lot. New England used the short pass, in place of a run game, very similar to what many think of as a WCO.
Spread concepts, ZBS, RPO... all can be incorporated into WCO, EP, run & shoot, etc.
I would figure that O'Brien is trying to run the version of it he learned in NE. That's were he got the "gameplan offense" idea from, where they tailor the offensive scheme week-to-week based on the opponent's defense.Speak My Language
As the players and schemes have changed, it's the way the Patriots talk that's continued their offensive dominance
Yes there isThere's a difference between box score raw states and analytic stats like football outsiders and pff provide