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2019 Training Camp

Number19 said:
This is what I heard being discussed on the radio. If we can develope a wall OG-OC-OG that would allow Watson to step up, OT becomes less of a concern as long as the OT's can force the rush deep and to the outside.
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Also our RB can devote less attention to the Guards & get out earlier to help the tackles... uh, except Foreman.
 
thunderkyss said:
We're talking about the 23rd overall. That sounds about right for a quality Guard. It's not like we used a top 15 pick on them.
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Interesting since no other Guard was drafted after 23? Hmm. Lack of talent? Or is is that if you go looking for a guard you try to get the best one possible, not a tackle that you are hoping to convert to guard? From what I see the next guard taken after 23 was 4th round pick #78 Dolphins - Deiter/Wisconsin. Bad year for guards? Makes it more interesting since last year the drafted another tackle and hoped to convert him to guard too - Rankin. I was under the impression that (i know this sounds funny) guard was a position of "strength" on the line? Fulton, Rankin, Mancz etc..

Here we are reinventing the wheel with guys who havent even played thos positions before LOL - well at least its training camp.

If we were targeting a guard then we should have moved up for the best available, not continue the charade that the team can coach and develop anybody.

So Kalil and Henderson on the ends is supposed to inspire some confidence?

edit: if we were isolating guards with the first two picks then at this point I wish they would have picked one of the premier CBs available at that point. Really head scratching stuff.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Interesting since no other Guard was drafted after 23? Hmm. Lack of talent? Or is is that if you go looking for a guard you try to get the best one possible, not a tackle that you are hoping to convert to guard? From what I see the next guard taken after 23 was 4th round pick #78 Dolphins - Deiter/Wisconsin. Bad year for guards? Makes it more interesting since last year the drafted another tackle and hoped to convert him to guard too - Rankin. I was under the impression that (i know this sounds funny) guard was a position of "strength" on the line? Fulton, Rankin, Mancz etc..

Here we are reinventing the wheel with guys who havent even played thos positions before LOL - well at least its training camp.

If we were targeting a guard then we should have moved up for the best available, not continue the charade that the team can coach and develop anybody.

So Kalil and Henderson on the ends is supposed to inspire some confidence?

edit: if we were isolating guards with the first two picks then at this point I wish they would have picked one of the premier CBs available at that point. Really head scratching stuff.
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While Rankin played LT there was always skepticism he wouldn't be able to stick there. Many teams saw him as a guard. Of course the Texans didn't just wrongly think he could stick at LT, they even started him out there after he missed training camp
 
TheKDog said:
While Rankin played LT there was always skepticism he wouldn't be able to stick there. Many teams saw him as a guard. Of course the Texans didn't just wrong think he stick at LT, they even started him out there after he missed training camp
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It would be nice if somebody on Kirby could actually scout talent and pick out the true players from the crop. Maybe Pastor John Easterby will be that guy in the future, maybe he has a direct line to the divine in order to change our luck with offensive linemen since OBrien has taken over the team.
 
Uncle Rico said:
It would be nice if somebody on Kirby could actually scout talent and pick out the true players from the crop. Maybe Pastor John Easterby will be that guy in the future, maybe he has a direct line to the divine in order to change our luck with offensive linemen since OBrien has taken over the team.
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What's funny is Gaine seemed to know Rankin probably wouldn't stick. When he was hired he said they were hoping he could play LT but that they could move him to guard.

O'Brien just throwing this dude out there to start at LT post injury and missing training camp. Smh
 
Uncle Rico said:
Interesting since no other Guard was drafted after 23? Hmm. Lack of talent? Or is is that if you go looking for a guard you try to get the best one possible, not a tackle that you are hoping to convert to guard?
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What are we even arguing here? They didn't draft Howard to play Guard. They drafted him to play LT.

I'm just saying 23 is not too high for a Guard. Regardless when the next Guard was taken, there was a Guard & a Center taken before. So at least one other team didn't have a problem taking a Guard before the 23rd pick.

& I don't know why you have a problem with the Texans drafting a LT & starting him out at Guard. That is not uncommon.

Again if we'd have drafted him with a top 15 pick I'd be upset if he wasn't starting at LT. But we're talking about 23. Slowly acclimating him to life in the NFL before putting him on an island is prudent.

& we're three days (?) Into training camp. Who knows where they'll shake out?
 
My son showed me the article. Recent one I believe. I’ll try to find it. Article basically said he was starting to flash...said he stood up Vinny Curry twice on a pass rush drill. Lol, I looked up VC. Dude couldn’t make our team. Was signed by Tampa last year to a three year contract that lasted all of one year...article didn’t dis him but OL coach said he won’t be ready this year. Stoutland I believe is the coach. Concerns were run blocking and sustaining his blocks in the NFL since he didn’t have to do so in his college offense. Not hating on the guy, just reading the article. Good person otherwise.
 
Dejaview said:
You know the Eagles OL coach is on record stating that before the draft he went down his list of OLmen and didn’t like what he saw in Dillard. Dillard was a surprise pick to most of the Eagles fans.
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Tell me this isn't what you're hanging you hat on..

Last month, offensive line coach Jeff Stoutland indicated that as much as he likes Dillard’s potential, there is a lot of work to be done before Peters’ designated replacement is ready to ascend to the throne now occupied by a nine-time Pro Bowl performer.

“The players that come out of college, none of them, in my opinion, are ready to play. There’s work to do. That’s the process we’re in right now — to make sure he understands the offensive system, to make sure he’s utilizing the proper techniques we’re teaching. That’s what we’re focusing on,” Stoutland said.
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maybe this one? (LOL)

PHILADELPHIA — The Saturday before the 2019 NFL Draft, Jeff Stoutland felt like he needed to make one more call. So the Philadelphia Eagles offensive line coach asked his wife to leave him alone for a little bit, and he went into another room of his house. After one call, he would be good for the rest of the day.

Stoutland called Washington State offensive tackle Andre Dillard. The Eagles had Dillard rated as one of the top players on their board, and the chances of him falling to No. 25 in the first round felt slim.

But Stoutland felt like he needed some more information. And if owner Jeffrey Lurie or executive vice president/general manager Howie Roseman had a question for him on draft night, Stoutland knew he needed to have the answer.

So he dialed Dillard, and the two spent the Saturday morning video chatting. A couple days later, the Eagles traded up to select Dillard with the No. 22 overall pick in the draft.

“You try to make sure you know everything about every player, but to be honest with you, I always — I think everybody felt like he was kind of out of our reach,” Stoutland said earlier this month. “So you can't go everywhere, you can't go out and visit all the players and work them all out, it's impossible. There's not enough time.

“I said, you never know in a draft what can happen. I said, I'm just making sure, and we had a nice conversation, and then when we spoke on the phone when we picked him, I said, what did I tell you? So anyway, that was neat.”
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Dejaview said:
My son showed me the article.
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Can you show us the article that has the Eagles OL coach on record stating that before the draft he went down his list of OLmen and didn’t like what he saw in Dillard?
 
Lucky said:
Can you show us the article that has the Eagles OL coach on record stating that before the draft he went down his list of OLmen and didn’t like what he saw in Dillard?
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That looks like the article in the previous post, but you are only seeing part of it. Prior to that call stoutland had concerns. Not sure what a few words did that ruled out the physical concerns. Dillard was a surprise pick for most of the fans. They wanted DL from what I’ve read. The article certainly wasn’t touting his camp to this point other than the VC drill thing. Look, guy could be the next best thing since sliced bread but there is one thing. He doesn’t project to any other OL position so he better be good or he is out of the NFL. edit. I think it was the same article but he said basically what OB said a few days ago...rookies have a hard time understanding this isn’t an E-W game.
 
thunderkyss said:
What are we even arguing here? They didn't draft Howard to play Guard. They drafted him to play LT.

I'm just saying 23 is not too high for a Guard. Regardless when the next Guard was taken, there was a Guard & a Center taken before. So at least one other team didn't have a problem taking a Guard before the 23rd pick.

& I don't know why you have a problem with the Texans drafting a LT & starting him out at Guard. That is not uncommon.

Again if we'd have drafted him with a top 15 pick I'd be upset if he wasn't starting at LT. But we're talking about 23. Slowly acclimating him to life in the NFL before putting him on an island is prudent.

& we're three days (?) Into training camp. Who knows where they'll shake out?
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Who's arguing? Dont go getting soft on me now. You say 23 is not bad for a guard? Okay, if there was a guard that was regarded high enough to validate that pick cool, but selecting a D2 project TACKLE and then easing him into NFL life as a guard is weak. Atlanta **** the bed on that pick easy, and I value an elite Center over an elite guard every day, all day and twice on Sundays.

We didnt have to hold Duane Browns hand and make sure his diaper was changed every day. Drafted him as our franchise Tackle and he was put out on that island as a rookie and took his lumps. Why go easy on Howard, you think that by playing guard that is somehow going to prepare him to play the edge against NFL DE's and OLB's?
 
Uncle Rico said:
Who's arguing? Dont go getting soft on me now. You say 23 is not bad for a guard? Okay, if there was a guard that was regarded high enough to validate that pick cool, but selecting a D2 project TACKLE and then easing him into NFL life as a guard is weak. Atlanta **** the bed on that pick easy, and I value an elite Center over an elite guard every day, all day and twice on Sundays.

We didnt have to hold Duane Browns hand and make sure his diaper was changed every day. Drafted him as our franchise Tackle and he was put out on that island as a rookie and took his lumps. Why go easy on Howard, you think that by playing guard that is somehow going to prepare him to play the edge against NFL DE's and OLB's?
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Texans can’t afford to whiff on an OL pick at this point. Name a position...it can be upgraded. If he’s not their best T today but a better G than others he plays in my book. Look at the “vaunted” Eagles. Their OL coach is sitting Dillard because he’s not ready. Eagles currently have the luxury to do so. So if Howard starts at G this board will waste him. If he has a slow start at T or sits this year this board will waste him. Screw it. Play him. I’m hearing the guy is showing heavy hands and a competitive mean streak that lasts beyond the play. Any problems with that?
 
Uncle Rico said:
We didnt have to hold Duane Browns hand and make sure his diaper was changed every day. Drafted him as our franchise Tackle and he was put out on that island as a rookie and took his lumps. Why go easy on Howard, you think that by playing guard that is somehow going to prepare him to play the edge against NFL DE's and OLB's?
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A man's got to know his limitations. Devlin obviously knows what he can & can't do. Gibbs didn't have those limitations.
 
https://twitter.com/jaysonbraddock/status/1155903438993219585?s=21

I hold out hope that HOU abandons their strategy of Howard on the left side.RT is my major concern, along with CB.Henderson struggled mightily with Watt (although that's a league wide issue) & Davenport struggled with Jamal Davis.
Howard can handle RT, along w/ left side
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Just put the best 5 guys out there. If Khalil and Henderson are really better than everyone else on the edge we are in trouble.
 
Dejaview said:
Texans can’t afford to whiff on an OL pick at this point. Name a position...it can be upgraded. If he’s not their best T today but a better G than others he plays in my book. Look at the “vaunted” Eagles. Their OL coach is sitting Dillard because he’s not ready. Eagles currently have the luxury to do so. So if Howard starts at G this board will waste him. If he has a slow start at T or sits this year this board will waste him. Screw it. Play him. I’m hearing the guy is showing heavy hands and a competitive mean streak that lasts beyond the play. Any problems with that?
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All I’m saying is if you drafted the guy to play tackle then play him at tackle! Don’t thrown him into a brand new position as a rookie only to move him later - it’s dumb development. What is Kalil going to teach him? If this was truly the plan then you go CB at 23 and then get your guards later.

Besides all that.....

Put the best 5 out there. We will be able to see who that is fairly soon.
 
Uncle Rico said:
it’s dumb development. What is Kalil going to teach him?
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It makes sense to me. Happens all the time. In fact, when Chester Pitts was moved inside (also has bird legs) I believe the plan was to move him back outside one day.

Uncle Rico said:
If this was truly the plan then you go CB at 23 and then get your guards later.
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Several of us were arguing that at the time.
 
Hmmm .... I keeping experiencing these mysterious little urges to go out a buy a 44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the whole wide world .... and will blow your head clean off !!
 
I am going on Tuesday to the Texans vs Packers joint practice. (Maybe I will go Monday too if I get up early and drive up there). I am anxious to see how the OL does vs the Packers front.
 
The #Texans are five practices into camp, so here are 14 thoughts on who is standing out and who is struggling. Numbers. https://t.co/VmvVVDs8Gi

— Aaron Reiss (@aaronjreiss) July 30, 2019

1. The Texans’ overhauled secondary sounds like a unit that knows it has its share of doubters as Houston prepares to face perhaps the NFL’s toughest slate of opposing quarterbacks. Following a rough first season in Houston, slot corner Aaron Colvin said he’s ready to "serve, anyway I can." As for how, he said: "I’d really rather show you on Sunday." And new cornerback Bradley Roby, perhaps the biggest X-factor in whether the secondary improves from last year, is embracing the idea of playing on a one-year, prove-it deal: "I’ve had pressure all my life," he said. "Pressure makes diamonds. It all depends on how you look at it." It’s hard to know whether any of it will ultimately mean much. Absences Houston has dealt with at the start of camp have prevented us from getting a look at the entire secondary working together. After being part of a car accident just before camp, second-year defensive back Justin Reid didn’t come off the non-football injury list until Monday. So Houston’s new set of starting safeties, Reid and Tashaun Gipson, have only had one training camp practice together, and it wasn’t even in pads. Then there’s second-round pick Lonnie Johnson, who missed much of the offseason program with an undisclosed injury and was sidelined for Monday’s practice. Coach Bill O’Brien said he expects the rookie to be back "very soon." In the reps we have seen so far, Johnson, who has matched up one-on-one against DeAndre Hopkins, has shown the physicality he plays with as Houston’s biggest corner. But he also appears prone to mental mistakes, letting his eyes wander and his man sneak away. Colvin hasn’t stood out, but even if he had, a few practices wouldn’t wipe his reputation in Houston completely clean. And Roby clearly has the speed the Texans wanted to add to their secondary, but Houston might still need to add more of it. Nearing his ninth season in Houston at age 35, Johnathan Joseph has become a go-to resource for the new members of the secondary, Roby said. But Joseph is also one of the team’s primary corners, and at this stage of his career, his ability to keep up with speedier receivers has to be a concern. Romeo Crennel will protect Joseph from ever matching up against a wideout as fast as Will Fuller in an actual game, but Houston might still reasonably explore adding another corner via trade or the free agent market. The team has the cap space.

2. The competition for the backup outside receiver job appears to be a tight one between Vyncint Smith and undrafted rookie Tyron Johnson. If both continue to play well enough, the roster might expand to six receivers, instead of the expected five. O’Brien indicated that was a possibility on Monday, when he said that, of the receivers, "number four, five, six and even number three to a certain degree have to be able to contribute on special teams." Smith, who made the 53-man roster last year out of Division II Limestone College, said he hopes his improved knowledge of the offense in his second professional season will allow him to process what’s happening during plays without overanalyzing, which sometimes slowed him down and caused him to fret over mistakes last season. "We’ll see how he does in the games, but he’s become a better route runner," O’Brien said of Smith. "He knows our system better, and it’s all about just being consistent with Vyncint, coming out here every single day and trying to get better from where he was the previous day. As for the rookie: Former Texans star and current special adviser to the head coach Andre Johnson has pulled Tyron Johnson aside at practices to offer advice. The former All-Pro has helped the young receiver better understand the nuances of routes against various coverages. "You can run a route, but you run it a hundred different ways," said Tyron Johnson, who played at Oklahoma State after transferring from LSU. "(Andre Johnson) just teaches me how to run my route, who to run my route off of against different coverages. It’s just understanding defense, getting ready for gametime."

3. Punt and kick returns in preseason games might make a difference in the competition at receiver. Smith and Johnson have practiced as both gunners and returners. The team’s current top return man, DeAndre Carter, hasn’t participated in camp yet, but no one has differentiated himself in his absence. Maybe that’ll change starting with the preseason game against the Packers. Keke Coutee, former practice squad member Steven Mitchell, recent waiver pickup Chad Hansen and undrafted rookie Johnnie Dixon are the other receivers who have practiced as return men. If Houston parted with Carter, the team would need a new backup to Coutee in the slot. Of the candidates, Mitchell and Dixon best fit that role.

4. Second-year pro Martinas Rankin hasn’t played center during camp. Even with starter Nick Martin currently injured, those snaps have gone to Greg Mancz and Zach Fulton. Why does this matter? O’Brien and his staff have clearly determined Rankin, who started a few games at left tackle last season, is now exclusively a guard. And that relative lack of versatility must be considered when analyzing the roster crunch that should incur along the interior offensive line. The team likely will keep just eight or nine blockers on the 53-man roster, and as of now Matt Kalil, Julién Davenport, Tytus Howard, Seantrel Henderson, Max Scharping, Martin and Fulton appear in good standing. That leaves Mancz, Rankin and last year’s starting left guard, Senio Kelemete, competing for the final two spots. The team is unlikely to let go of Rankin so early into his career, but if he can’t play center, the Texans will probably want to keep Mancz on their bench. Kelemete looks like the odd man out. The final two years of Kelemete’s contract carry a total of $2.25 million in dead money.

5. Young tight ends Jordan Thomas and Kahale Warring are both out with undisclosed injuries, and in their absences, two players with limited odds to make the 53-man roster have impressed. Jerrell Adams, a member of last year’s practice squad, has made some of the best contested catches of camp. And 33-year-old Darren Fells has received plenty of opportunities with typical first-stringers to show what he adds as a blocking tight end, the sort of player Houston’s offense missed last season. "Those guys have made that a very competitive position," O’Brien said. We’ll have to wait and see if they’ve done enough to stick around for the regular season. Ever since Houston drafted Warring in the third round and fullback Cullen Gillaspia in the seventh round, Fells’ chances of serving as the team’s fourth tight end seemed slim. But the start of camp has turned out to be the best-case scenario for him to make his case.

6. About nine months removed from tearing an ACL against the Dolphins in Week 8, Will Fuller has looked as good as the Texans could have hoped. O’Brien had previously expressed optimism that Fuller would be ready to play by Week 1, and after about a week of camp, there’s no reason to doubt that will happen. Fuller appears to have no restrictions on him during practices, and the speed that made him a first-round pick is still there. Talent has never been the question for Fuller, who, before the ACL tear, was having the best season of his professional career. He just needs to stay healthy. When he met with reporters last week, he expressed hope that injury concerns won’t linger into the rest of a lengthy career. "I’m only in year four, so I want to play a long time," he said. "I’m just trying to get back to my normal self."

7. Who will be the team’s fifth inside linebacker? Houston has its starters in Zach Cunningham and Benardrick McKinney, and it has a pair of backups/special team contributors in Dylan Cole and Peter Kalambayi. But there’s space for one more man. The competition appears to be between Tyrell Adams, who spent part of last season on Houston’s practice squad, and Xavier Woodson-Luster, who joined the team after impressing during a tryout at rookie camp. Woodson-Luster has stood in pass coverage. Defending third-down back Josh Ferguson, he batted down a pass and intercepted another in the same practice. Whichever of the two doesn’t make the 53-man roster will have practice squad eligibility and could stick around that way.

8. The Texans are looking to replace outside linebacker Duke Ejiofor, who will miss all season with a ruptured Achilles. So far, no strong candidate has emerged. Davin Bellamy, a member of last year’s practice squad, has received reps with some of the typical first-teamers, but he hasn’t done enough to stand out. This could be a position Houston looks to add to when the entire league trims rosters.

9. Scharping, a second-round pick, is competing with Zach Fulton for the starting right guard job. So far, Scharping, a collegiate tackle, has shown he possesses the strength to play inside but sometimes struggles with the speed of the game on the interior. J.J. Watt has burst by him, but Watt has blown by plenty of veterans, too. "I think it’s a hard jump when you come from Northern Illinois to the Houston Texans," O’Brien said of Scharping. "Believe me, I have all due respect for Northern Illinois, but you’re lining up across from D.J. Reader and J.J. Watt and guys like that. It’s a big jump. But Max approaches every day in a very mature way. He’s a very mature guy who works very hard. We’re moving him around. He’s played center, he’s played guard, he’s played tackle. Smart guy, works extremely hard. We see a guy that has a good future."

10. Sixth-round pick Xavier Crawford, a cornerback out of Central Michigan, has not stood out on defense. He’ll have to excel on special teams during the preseason to secure a roster spot.

11. Houston’s seventh-round pick, fullback Cullen Gillaspia, should make the team because of his special teams ability, but O’Brien envisions a small role for him on offense, too. Gillaspia has received reps with Deshaun Watson and other typical offensive starters. He appears to be the team’s best blocking back, as he should be, and he has proven to have decent hands, too. He’s made some contested catches, including one that caused him to crash into a garage door when the team practiced inside its bubble.
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12. Pass rushing depth beyond Watt and Jadeveon Clowney could be a concern for Houston, especially if the Texans continue to primarily drop Whitney Mercilus into coverage. Fifth-round pick Charles Omenihu’s long arms batted down a pass in practice, but he otherwise hasn’t been too disruptive. Neither have Joel Heath or Carlos Watkins, who are also competing for roles.

13. When the Texans fired general manager Brian Gaine, the franchise’s new executive vice president of team development, Jack Easterby, seemed to pop up in every story about the front office shakeup. After coming from New England, where he was the Patriots’ character coach, Easterby has become a trusted adviser to O’Brien. But what exactly does he do? "Jack is just what his title says," O’Brien said in June. "He is executive vice president of team development, and he helps in all areas of the team. He helps me with the team. He helps in the different departments around the team, the departments that work with the team, obviously the training room, equipment room. He helps me with putting in processes to really help the duties of each department relative to the team. It’s all about the team and how can we improve the team and Jack has been an excellent addition to the organization."‘ At training camp, it’s at least become clear that Easterby wants to interact with players, not just stand quietly on the sidelines as a powerful observer. During the early portions of practices, he’s been on the field while players receive instruction from assistant coaches.

14. Promoting Tim Kelly to offensive coordinator has allowed O’Brien spend more time with other parts of his team. But the head coach often still finds himself near Watson, even if he’s not offering much instruction while Watson works with Kelly and new quarterbacks coach Carl Smith. As Kelly continues to grow into his new role, perhaps O’Brien will allot allot his time differently.
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So they really putting senio, mancz and rankin on the bubble to be replaced by two always injured guys and two small school rookies?
 
The Texans, or at least Brian Gaine, drafted Howard not having a clue where they were going to play him as Gaine said immediately after he was drafted that he was a 4 hole player and would compete for a starting spot, but didn't know at what position. Burning a 1st rounder on someone you don't know where you're going to play him...maybe that's why Gaine isn't here anymore.

You'll never convince me they still couldn't have gotten a small school player that you don't really know where to play, later in the draft. If Howard turns out to be a solid player at G, so be it. My issue is who they missed out on at 23, and still could have had Howard later. Also that this means they still don't have a LT.
 
Speedy said:
The Texans, or at least Brian Gaine, drafted Howard not having a clue where they were going to play him as Gaine said immediately after he was drafted that he was a 4 hole player and would compete for a starting spot, but didn't know at what position. Burning a 1st rounder on someone you don't know where you're going to play him...maybe that's why Gaine isn't here anymore.

You'll never convince me they still couldn't have gotten a small school player that you don't really know where to play, later in the draft. If Howard turns out to be a solid player at G, so be it. My issue is who they missed out on at 23, and still could have had Howard later. Also that this means they still don't have a LT.
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Same thing could be said about Rankins. After reading the above article it sounds like the guy might be cut. I wouldn't think so, but.....
 
beerlover said:
what a hot pile of fudge this organization has turned into :cute:
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People are just starting to realize this.

A few in the mob choose to live in denial.

The Texans org still isn't doing everything possible to put their best product on the field. They need to have a singular focus, they've had one but unfortunately that singular focus has nothing to do with the on field product.
 
Speedy said:
The Texans, or at least Brian Gaine, drafted Howard not having a clue where they were going to play him as Gaine said immediately after he was drafted that he was a 4 hole player and would compete for a starting spot, but didn't know at what position. Burning a 1st rounder on someone you don't know where you're going to play him...maybe that's why Gaine isn't here anymore.

You'll never convince me they still couldn't have gotten a small school player that you don't really know where to play, later in the draft. If Howard turns out to be a solid player at G, so be it. My issue is who they missed out on at 23, and still could have had Howard later. Also that this means they still don't have a LT.
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But another scenario that's plausible is that they like what they see in Kahil enough that they see him as the answer for LT in 2019 and until then playing LG next to the LT vet is
a good place for Howard to start his NFL career.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Who's arguing? Dont go getting soft on me now. You say 23 is not bad for a guard? Okay, if there was a guard that was regarded high enough to validate that pick cool, but selecting a D2 project TACKLE and then easing him into NFL life as a guard is weak. Atlanta **** the bed on that pick easy, and I value an elite Center over an elite guard every day, all day, and twice on Sundays.

We didnt have to hold Duane Browns hand and make sure his diaper was changed every day. Drafted him as our franchise Tackle and he was put out on that island as a rookie and took his lumps. Why go easy on Howard, you think that by playing guard that is somehow going to prepare him to play the edge against NFL DE's and OLB's?
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You're just saying that 'cause you know football.
 
Speedy said:
The Texans, or at least Brian Gaine, drafted Howard not having a clue where they were going to play him as Gaine said immediately after he was drafted that he was a 4 hole player and would compete for a starting spot, but didn't know at what position. Burning a 1st rounder on someone you don't know where you're going to play him...maybe that's why Gaine isn't here anymore.

You'll never convince me they still couldn't have gotten a small school player that you don't really know where to play, later in the draft. If Howard turns out to be a solid player at G, so be it. My issue is who they missed out on at 23, and still could have had Howard later. Also that this means they still don't have a LT.
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Can you elaborate on your issue? Who is it that they missed out on at 23 that you just can’t get over? Serious question...
 
Mangler said:
Can you elaborate on your issue? Who is it that they missed out on at 23 that you just can’t get over? Serious question...
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Nothing for me to get over. What’s done is done. And there’s plenty of things they could have done and probably still picked up Howard later. CB, and actual tackle maybe, trade up, trade back, any number of things. But they decided on a small school tackle that might play T, might not, we really don’t know. We’ll just drop him down the Plinko board and see where he lands.
 
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12. Pass rushing depth beyond Watt and Jadeveon Clowney could be a concern for Houston, especially if the Texans continue to primarily drop Whitney Mercilus into coverage. Fifth-round pick Charles Omenihu’s long arms batted down a pass in practice, but he otherwise hasn’t been too disruptive. Neither have Joel Heath or Carlos Watkins, who are also competing for roles.
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Lord just take me now.
 
Starting Howard LT right off the bat would be detrimental to him, teammates and coaches. Yet you do need him getting his reps and play to his strengths which is LG. When timing is right or the unexpected happens, then you can plug and play him (most likely to happen).

Do not want to stray from training camp thread.

Disturbing Rankin hasn’t got any reps @ Center instead Fulton, that could mean Rankins reps will be RG where Scharping is also getting reps. That’s three high picks all log jammed vying for two guard spots, Tackle Spots occupied by battle tested, injury riddled vets.
 
Duane Brown was the only other 1st round lineman drafted to be the FRANCHISE LT for this team and he didnt need time at a GUARD position to figure it out .. he took his lumps and was baptized by fire and turned into an ALL PRO LT .. why do we need to babysit Howard? He was also drafted to be a franchise LT (you would hope) and yet he needs to be coddled? That is all of a sudden is the tried and true method of player development? Sorry if Im not too excited about that. At the very least he should be playing RT. It is not just disturbing, but incompetent.
 
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