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2019 Training Camp

TheKDog said:
You're right. But the plan to out Kalil out there, a guy who has sucked or been injured for 6 years, is just as bad.

And who is taking backup reps?
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You mean the same guy that made a pro-bowl? Interesting. I didn't realize that guys that suck made pro-bowls.

Injury history in spades yes. But if 100% healthy, he can play.
 
Porky said:
You mean the same guy that made a pro-bowl? Interesting. I didn't realize that guys that suck made pro-bowls.

Injury history in spades yes. But if 100% healthy, he can play.
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He made the pro bowl in 2012 before all the injuries and age
 
Texansballer74 said:
For me I place blame all across the board. Lol but can't nobody on here, tell the offensive line hasn't gotten worse ever freaking year. That along should send up the red flags.
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There’s definitely blame across the board, but the problem I see with most on here is that they use hindsight too much when offering up the blame about the current state of affairs. Timing and circumstances matter.

Contrary to what some in here have said about the o-line being terrible for “half a decade” The demise of the o-line really started 3 years ago in 2016 when we lost Newton who, back then was this MB’s whipping boy. No one also had any real indication that Brooks would be leaving via FA nor his feelings about playing for BoB. all that just happened and came out as he was walking out the door. Even still his replacement.....or so we thought, was already on the roster in XSF.

Then there’s Brown. Again, FO knew he wanted an extension, but there was no reason to think or even give him that extension sight unseen considering he had been with us for a while......& the fact that he was coming off that torn quad injury that ended his season the year prior.

You also gotta remember how everyone here was so hard up for a qb
Going into 2017 that had the FO selected an o-lineman in the 1st that year there would’ve been riots on Kirby. It was a good year for QBs in the draft and anything short of taking 1 in the 1st just wasn’t gonna sit well here.

Timing of events matter and truthfully it’s really Just been a series of unfortunate circumstances that went against the Texans imo.
 
Texecutioner said:
BS. Get on the damn phone and find out who is tradable for a package. The Texans suck miserably at this.

That same off season Belicheck got Trent Brown for little value who ended up having so good of a season that he became the highest paid offensive lineman in FA and maybe ever. That could have been the Texans. Their trade game sucks. Always has. They'll never become that opportunistic team that looks for other team's malcontents or improper fits where they can steal great value in odd situations. They're always snoozing away and then we as Texans fans are scratching our heads when other teams pick these guys up and we're sitting here wondering why we weren't involved or why we couldn't have at least been the mix where we drove the price up. Its sad.

The one and only time where they did what I described was when they stole Osweiller in the middle of the night. I did like that, and gave them props for it when they did. It didn't work out, but I still have no criticisms over that other than the bad evaluation of him all together.
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First of all..how do u know they’re not “getting on the damn phone”? That’s right u don’t know.

2nd, You don’t think that the Patriots and their skins on the wall of winning have just a little bit to do with them being able to land those guys? If not, then you’re being disingenuous....as usual. For 1, trades for players in the NFL don’t happen all that often in season to begin with. But as far as what our FO has done in the recent past?

The Texans needed another credible threat opposite Nuk and they went out & got Demayius just this past offseason. They stole Colvin from Jax who didn’t want to lose him and we know they definitely went after Malcolm Butler, Nate Solder & Roger Saffold in successive offseasons.....to no avail. The Texans are ALWAYS rumored to be in pursuit of these guys..he’ll they were in on Trent Brown just this offseason and he chose the Raiders...for obvious reasons.

The pats have the luxury of trading for guys like that b/c they’re always picking low in the rounds & they just don’t value picks in the same way as most other teams do. Seriously doubt they’d be doing all the trading down & shipping off of their picks for players if they were consistently picking higher in the draft than they have over the last 20 years. Other than the ability to do that, Belichick is usually bargain bin shopping.
 
Mr teX said:
First of all..how do u know they’re not “getting on the damn phone”? That’s right u don’t know.
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I do know, because there are hardly ever reports about the Texans management aggressively going out there and trying to deal. I hear about a lot of other teams all the time and rarely does that stuff ever not get leaked out. And the Texans have never been known for making a lot of great trades in the first place so there is no history to use to argue against that.

Mr teX said:
2nd, You don’t think that the Patriots and their skins on the wall of winning have just a little bit to do with them being able to land those guys? If not, then you’re being disingenuous....as usual. For 1, trades for players in the NFL don’t happen all that often in season to begin with. But as far as what our FO has done in the recent past?
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That was a trade, so their winning status had nothing to do with it. In fact it puts them at a disadvantage on trades a lot, because it comes out that certain teams will never trade with them being to worried that they'll face them in the playoffs. The Steelers recently made it public that they wouldn't listen to any offers from them.

Mr teX said:
The Texans needed another credible threat opposite Nuk and they went out & got Demayius just this past offseason. They stole Colvin from Jax who didn’t want to lose him and we know they definitely went after Malcolm Butler, Nate Solder & Roger Saffold in successive offseasons.....to no avail. The Texans are ALWAYS rumored to be in pursuit of these guys..he’ll they were in on Trent Brown just this offseason and he chose the Raiders...for obvious reasons.
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What a total baseless claim of BS. Our GM was literally fired this off season which had a lot to do with his lack of action and his uninspiring moves or lack thereof.

Mr teX said:
The pats have the luxury of trading for guys like that b/c they’re always picking low in the rounds & they just don’t value picks in the same way as most other teams do. Seriously doubt they’d be doing all the trading down & shipping off of their picks for players if they were consistently picking higher in the draft than they have over the last 20 years. Other than the ability to do that, Belichick is usually bargain bin shopping.
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That's BS, because they've traded all types of picks in different draft spots and from different rounds. Belicheck just operates differently mainly because he drafts only certain players with skillsets that fit his system and he rarely looks at talent alone like other GM's and coaches. One of the main things that Belicheck drafts that no one mentions our "team captains". Almost all of his picks are team captains with strong locker room reputations. He looks for guys that will "buy in" and have a long history of team first mentality. That is one of the biggest reasons why Belicheck gets guys to buy into his Patriot way style. They already have that built into their souls as football players.
 
Texecutioner said:
I do know, because there are hardly ever reports about the Texans management aggressively going out there and trying to deal. I hear about a lot of other teams all the time and rarely does that stuff ever not get leaked out. And the Texans have never been known for making a lot of great trades in the first place so there is no history to use to argue against that.



That was a trade, so their winning status had nothing to do with it. In fact it puts them at a disadvantage on trades a lot, because it comes out that certain teams will never trade with them being to worried that they'll face them in the playoffs. The Steelers recently made it public that they wouldn't listen to any offers from them.



What a total baseless claim of BS. Our GM was literally fired this off season which had a lot to do with his lack of action and his uninspiring moves or lack thereof.



That's BS, because they've traded all types of picks in different draft spots and from different rounds. Belicheck just operates differently mainly because he drafts only certain players with skillsets that fit his system and he rarely looks at talent alone like other GM's and coaches. One of the main things that Belicheck drafts that no one mentions our "team captains". Almost all of his picks are team captains with strong locker room reputations. He looks for guys that will "buy in" and have a long history of team first mentality. That is one of the biggest reasons why Belicheck gets guys to buy into his Patriot way style. They already have that built into their souls as football players.
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You sound absurd. I literally gave u a list of 5 people they went after in 2 successive offseasons as confirmed by the players themselves and/or REAL NFL insiders. But b/c you yourself haven’t heard of them being “aggressive” that means they haven’t been...You’re confusing not being aggressive with not wanting to overpay b/c with all the guys I listed off, that’s what it has came down to. And with at least 2 of those guys I listed, the respective teams that did overpay substantially for them, there’s ALREADY buyers remorse.

No team in the NFL is really known for making “really good trades” b/c not a lot of them happen like that in the NFL..period...especially in season. This isn’t the NBA or MLB dude.

And the last part of your post perfectly illustrates why their history of winning is key to how he can operate the way he does in the draft & FA. He can afford to move, trade away and draft the way you say he does b/c he has won doing it that way. You think kraft and the fans would allow him to operate like that if he weren’t winning? You think they’d have let him trade away their heir apparent premium talent at qb for a bunch of unheralded, non-descript 6th round “team captains” if he wasn’t winning? Please! He would’ve been drawn and quartered if he didn’t have 3-4 championship banners hanging in Gillette...and u know it. Hell, fans damn near lost their **** when he benched Butler in the SB...& he had 5 then.

The rest of your post is largely drivel simply b/c unless you are in the FO and/or Cal/Gaine told u themselves, you can’t presume to know why exactly Gaine was fired. Yeah, you get fed the same **** we get fed via 610/790 and Pancakes McClain.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Duane Brown was the only other 1st round lineman drafted to be the FRANCHISE LT for this team and he didnt need time at a GUARD position to figure it out .. he took his lumps and was baptized by fire and turned into an ALL PRO LT .. why do we need to babysit Howard? He was also drafted to be a franchise LT (you would hope) and yet he needs to be coddled? That is all of a sudden is the tried and true method of player development? Sorry if Im not too excited about that. At the very least he should be playing RT. It is not just disturbing, but incompetent.
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Duane Brown played at Virginia Tech. Tytus Howard played at Alabama State.

We assume they drafted Howard to play LT. They may very well have drafted him to play Guard. I'll no for sure when we see where they play him next Thursday.

Personally I wanted the Texans to do more about the interior line than tackles. Mainly for the run game. Fulton playing Center excites me. I hope he's our starting Center for 2019.
 
Number19 said:
From comments made on this forum, and from what I've now heard on the radio, last year our interior linemen were not anchoring against the pass rush and were not giving Watson a pocket to step up into. They were OK in run blocking but we need more size and strength to better anchor.
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The only thing worth carrying over from last year's line, imo, is Fulton.

I'd like to see Rankin get a chance to start at LG. He looks the part & did a nice job when he was there. My opinion (again) he should have been starting after the bye week.

Martin doesn't have it.

Davenport, I'd like to see another year of development at LT. If he makes it great if not Howard takes his spot.

I'd have Howard start at RT & Sharping at RG.

Davenport/Rankin/Fulton/Sharping/Howard


But I'm not running things on Kirby
 
beerlover said:
Starting Howard LT right off the bat would be detrimental to him, teammates and coaches. Yet you do need him getting his reps and play to his strengths which is LG. When timing is right or the unexpected happens, then you can plug and play him (most likely to happen).

Do not want to stray from training camp thread.

Disturbing Rankin hasn’t got any reps @ Center instead Fulton, that could mean Rankins reps will be RG where Scharping is also getting reps. That’s three high picks all log jammed vying for two guard spots, Tackle Spots occupied by battle tested, injury riddled vets.
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This is exactly why I was against drafting a LT in the first round. Unless of course he was capable of coming in and starting right away. We should of moved up one spot and got the one LT capable of doing that. If we wanted a guard we could of traded down and still got a great one or just taken the best one (ford IMO) available. Now we are looking at Kalil and Henderson starting on the outside and our first round OT getting most of his reps at OG. I just don’t get it. If he’s our LT of the future put him there and let him develop until he can take over. I don’t mind versatile OL but LTs is not a position to mess with. I don’t want my LT playing anywhere else.
 
thunderkyss said:
The only thing worth carrying over from last year's line, imo, is Fulton.

I'd like to see Rankin get a chance to start at LG. He looks the part & did a nice job when he was there. My opinion (again) he should have been starting after the bye week.

Martin doesn't have it.

Davenport, I'd like to see another year of development at LT. If he makes it great if not Howard takes his spot.

I'd have Howard start at RT & Sharping at RG.

Davenport/Rankin/Fulton/Sharping/Howard


But I'm not running things on Kirby
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Just playing mind games, I'm beginning to like the idea of building a dominate interior with Howard at RG, Fulton at OC and Scharping at RG. I'd then move Rankin back out to LT and have him alternating with Kalil. That leaves Henderson out at RT with, ?, Davenport backing him up? If Henderson stays healthy, we slide by but RT would be a priority in next year's draft. Depending on how Rankin developed, we might need to draft LT also.

Rankin/Kalil, Howard, Fuller, Scharping, Henderson.

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Just found, Rankin started 3 games at LT last season and 1 game at LG, but found a quote where OB said he thought Rankin was more of a guard.

So maybe I'd switch the two and have Howard at LT and Rankin at RG.
 
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mussop said:
Now we are looking at Kalil and Henderson starting on the outside and our first round OT getting most of his reps at OG. I just don’t get it. If he’s our LT of the future put him there and let him develop until he can take over.
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Who knows? By week 1 he may have earned the starting spot. This is training camp. Nothing is set in stone.
 
mussop said:
This is exactly why I was against drafting a LT in the first round. Unless of course he was capable of coming in and starting right away. We should of moved up one spot and got the one LT capable of doing that. If we wanted a guard we could of traded down and still got a great one or just taken the best one (ford IMO) available. Now we are looking at Kalil and Henderson starting on the outside and our first round OT getting most of his reps at OG. I just don’t get it. If he’s our LT of the future put him there and let him develop until he can take over. I don’t mind versatile OL but LTs is not a position to mess with. I don’t want my LT playing anywhere else.
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Hear you but don’t get fixated by position. Heard he is wasting people in run game today in practice, probably reason O’Brian really pushed for him (system fit). If LG is stabilized and knocking people silly how’s that not going to seal off inside lanes helping tackle protect the edge? Plenty great guards go in top 15.

Back to LT. It’s a timing thing, gaining confidence, getting stronger and smarter in system. Would trade a first and Davenport to Washington for Trent Williams. Cost of that pick would only amount to a mid 20’s hopefully late 20’s first rounder. I can live with that.
 
beerlover said:
Hear you but don’t get fixated by position. Heard he is wasting people in run game today in practice, probably reason O’Brian really pushed for him (system fit). If LG is stabilized and knocking people silly how’s that not going to seal off inside lanes helping tackle protect the edge? Plenty great guards go in top 15.

Back to LT. It’s a timing thing, gaining confidence, getting stronger and smarter in system. Would trade a first and Davenport to Washington for Trent Williams. Cost of that pick would only amount to a mid 20’s hopefully late 20’s first rounder. I can live with that.
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Not only that, we're in week 2 of training camp. If he's excelling where he is the coaches may decide he's ready to move outside sooner rather than later. For all we know, that's their plan.

If we see Howard at LT for the majority of the game next Thrusday, I'll be convinced all this whining & complaining is for nothing. If someone else takes the majority of the snaps at LT, I'll eat crow & start whining & complaining.
 
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thunderkyss said:
Duane Brown played at Virginia Tech. Tytus Howard played at Alabama State.

We assume they drafted Howard to play LT. They may very well have drafted him to play Guard. I'll no for sure when we see where they play him next Thursday.

Personally I wanted the Texans to do more about the interior line than tackles. Mainly for the run game. Fulton playing Center excites me. I hope he's our starting Center for 2019.
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Uncle Rico said:
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I thought the interior played worse than the tackles, especially in the run game. 3rd & short we defaulted to empty backfield, I think because our odds of converting on the ground was next to nil. Mainly because of the interior.

I thought Lamm played allright & felt the Texans thought Henderson was an upgrade. I thought Davenport did well, considering who he is & felt he would continue to improve.

I think Rankin Fulton & Sharping would be 100 times better than the interior we had last year. Allowing our tackles to play on an island.

I understand the importance of OTs, but I always believed you should build from the inside out.

But that's me.
 
Here is another mind game. How about:

Williams, Rankin, Fulton, Scharping, Howard.

Of course we'd have to go after, and get, William's. But this might be a pretty good lineup to go forward with the next couple of years.
 
Number19 said:
Here is another mind game. How about:

Williams, Rankin, Fulton, Scharping, Howard.

Of course we'd have to go after, and get, William's. But this might be a pretty good lineup to go forward with the next couple of years.
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Number19 said:
Here is another mind game. How about:

Williams, Rankin, Fulton, Scharping, Howard.

Of course we'd have to go after, and get, William's. But this might be a pretty good lineup to go forward with the next couple of years.
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Rankin looks terrible reportedly
 
thunderkyss said:
I thought the interior played worse than the tackles, especially in the run game. 3rd & short we defaulted to empty backfield, I think because our odds of converting on the ground was next to nil. Mainly because of the interior.

I thought Lamm played allright & felt the Texans thought Henderson was an upgrade. I thought Davenport did well, considering who he is & felt he would continue to improve.

I think Rankin Fulton & Sharping would be 100 times better than the interior we had last year. Allowing our tackles to play on an island.

I understand the importance of OTs, but I always believed you should build from the inside out.

But that's me.
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They did & you don't have to look any further than the Cowboys game last year... on 2 separate occasions once before the half & on another drive in the 3rd we made it inside Dallas' 10.. 7 total shots ......& we couldn't punch it in.

In the playoff game against Indy..... we had a 2nd and 5 at Indy 13...if we score there before the half we have a better shot at getting back in the game. DW4 gets sacked for a 10 yd loss which effectively killed that drive...Indy d-linemen came from right up the middle....
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I was listening a little earlier to the reports and supposedly in team drills the starting right side of the OL was getting destroyed.

Gave up what would have been quite a few sacks on Watson.
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That would be Henderson and Kelemente?
 
I don't think Kelemete has played RG so if he is in preseason, not judging him yet. At best he should be backup.
 
There have been several days where I’ve read that S AJ Moore has had a good day. If he continues this during preseason, he’ll get a spot on the 53.

I’m interested to see who our secondary is for the 53. Do y’all think we’ll end up signing someone who is cut, maybe another CB?
 
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