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Well, the GM search is on!

We will never know the true details gentlemen. Can we move on now. There are other areas of disfunction/ concerns that we can beat down. Hold on we've talked about all of that already. Bwhahaha the season can't get here fast enough.
 
maverick512000 said:
Maybe, though some of the attacks on him did get personal and the mods did nothing about it or at least nothing that would show people "hey this isn't cool". What he was asking for was stupid, not calling BoB "Buttchin", but the follow up on that was a little out of hand.
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I've seen harsher, especially when I used the word pimpn. I just joined and I quickly got a few messages from the mods.
 
More beauty parlor speculation. I'm not saying I disagree because I'm ambivalent. But I can say with certainty that you guys are wrong.
 
Max said:
More beauty parlor speculation. I'm not saying I disagree because I'm ambivalent. But I can say with certainty that you guys are wrong.
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about what? If you're so certain, prove them wrong
 
Max said:
So you're asserting nothing and have the 'benign' position that we may have or may have not tampered. But those that assert we tampered put beauty parlors to shame with wild speculation but not based on any assertion of yours that we didn't tamper because you're not asserting anything. Got it. Thanks for clarifying.
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I’m done with your “logic” and am moving on but see if this helps. Kdog stated that the Texans sent Easterby to tamper with Caserio. It wasn’t opinion, he said it as fact. That fact hasn’t been established by anyone. He can’t reveal any source. If you can’t support your credibility you don’t make bald face assertions at someone’s expense. If I came out with a post that said “ Easterby and the Texans did not tamper” what kind of response would I receive? Every hater would be all over me largely because this pot has been so stirred by just those types of assertions as Kdogs that it renders discussion useless. Do you make assertions to be taken as fact when you have no knowledge at all of any proof for your statement? It’s just simply railroading your point of view.
 
Dejaview said:
If you read this MB seriously you will become the most negative hate filled fan around. I simply see an attempt to get a GM that was believed to be the best fit for the organization but unfortunately it involved the worst rule manipulating and cheating organization in the NFL. Look at the good side. There is good news coming out of the mouth of coaches and players that point to a lot of optimism and cohesiveness among the players. There is good news and interesting new players to follow with their development. Chronicle today ran an article that states our TE coach believes Warring just might be really special. He’s been showing the ability to create separation behind the defense, he is one of the best conditioned players in the weight room, etc. this board, however, with all the verbal abusing of the coaches and organization, ass face butt chin HC and so on is just infantile. There is also pathetic bullying here. What happened to Have Mercy for example? I don’t know but this is the best I’ve felt about this team in awhile.
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Dude , I've been on this forum since day one …. I know what's what.


What's more , I've had the opportunity to talk to Bob and Cal in the past …. I know more about the inner workings of this franchise than most.

I don't need a lecture.

This team is in turmoil.
 
Corrosion said:
Dude , I've been on this forum since day one …. I know what's what.


What's more , I've had the opportunity to talk to Bob and Cal in the past …. I know more about the inner workings of this franchise than most.

I don't need a lecture.

This team is in turmoil.
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If you’ve been on this forum since day one you do need a lecture.
 
TheKDog said:
Yes but I think if that was the case they would have hired another gm. When they failed to get caserio they got no one
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IMO, in any company, you want the best possible employees at every position. If you have a guy that you don’t feel is cutting the mustard then you get rid of him. You have speculated that the Texans bungled trading for Dillard, if that was the case then why would you have a problem getting rid of Gaine? For 2 consecutive off seasons we’ve gone after and missed out on 3 players that would’ve helped the team at positions of great need, perhaps Cal viewed that as a failing of Gaine. By all accounts Gaine is a good personnel guy, maybe he chokes in pressure filled situations and can’t bring himself to pull the trigger. If that’s the case we are better off with out him

On Caserio, if you believe he’s a difference maker what’s the harm in waiting for him? Personally I’d rather they get the best candidate then to make a rash decision just to fill the spot. For good or bad BOB is heavily involved in personnel decisions and we have a cap guru/negotiator in Olsen. Easterby can help with the non FB related issues (sports medicine, strength and conditioning, ect) for the short term.
 
otisbean said:
IMO, in any company, you want the best possible employees at every position. If you have a guy that you don’t feel is cutting the mustard then you get rid of him. You have speculated that the Texans bungled trading for Dillard, if that was the case then why would you have a problem getting rid of Gaine? For 2 consecutive off seasons we’ve gone after and missed out on 3 players that would’ve helped the team at positions of great need, perhaps Cal viewed that as a failing of Gaine. By all accounts Gaine is a good personnel guy, maybe he chokes in pressure filled situations and can’t bring himself to pull the trigger. If that’s the case we are better off with out him

On Caserio, if you believe he’s a difference maker what’s the harm in waiting for him? Personally I’d rather they get the best candidate then to make a rash decision just to fill the spot. For good or bad BOB is heavily involved in personnel decisions and we have a cap guru/negotiator in Olsen. Easterby can help with the non FB related issues (sports medicine, strength and conditioning, ect) for the short term.
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Then why not fire gaine when caserio is available? Gaine might have flaws but I can't see how it's better to just have no GM at all, or to rely on barzigan and easterby who have less experience in the position
 
TheKDog said:
Then why not fire gaine when caserio is available? Gaine might have flaws but I can't see how it's better to just have no GM at all, or to rely on barzigan and easterby who have less experience in the position
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What does a GM actually do in-season?
 
TheKDog said:
Then why not fire gaine when caserio is available? Gaine might have flaws but I can't see how it's better to just have no GM at all, or to rely on barzigan and easterby who have less experience in the position
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Well Barzigan has 14 yrs experience in player personnel. If Barzigan and Olsen work with BOB, it doesn’t seem like they’re missing much in that department.

Gaine has less than 2 yrs experience as a GM. I’m sure an intelligent person can handle the management of the non FB duties. Remember (for good or bad) we have had a consistent medical staff for years and we just spent a ton of money upgrading the weight room, cafeteria and locker rooms. I’m also guessing at this point travel arrangements ect..are not tough to figure out. With all that being said, if you don’t think Gaine is the right guy I don’t see why you’d keep a lame duck around.
 
otisbean said:
IMO, in any company, you want the best possible employees at every position. If you have a guy that you don’t feel is cutting the mustard then you get rid of him. You have speculated that the Texans bungled trading for Dillard, if that was the case then why would you have a problem getting rid of Gaine? For 2 consecutive off seasons we’ve gone after and missed out on 3 players that would’ve helped the team at positions of great need, perhaps Cal viewed that as a failing of Gaine. By all accounts Gaine is a good personnel guy, maybe he chokes in pressure filled situations and can’t bring himself to pull the trigger. If that’s the case we are better off with out him

On Caserio, if you believe he’s a difference maker what’s the harm in waiting for him? Personally I’d rather they get the best candidate then to make a rash decision just to fill the spot. For good or bad BOB is heavily involved in personnel decisions and we have a cap guru/negotiator in Olsen. Easterby can help with the non FB related issues (sports medicine, strength and conditioning, ect) for the short term.
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If you want Caserio give up the draft pick to get him. Atleast that's what the good orgs like the Kraft/ Pats did when they hired BB away from the NYJ's.
 
TheKDog said:
I can't see how it's better to just have no GM at all, or to rely on barzigan and easterby who have less experience in the position
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Some reason it seems the Texans want an organization that's driven by the head coach. Who knows, Cal may see this as an opportunity to observe O'Brien without a safety net to blame or throw under the bus.

It just might be enough to convince him & us that BO'b is/isn't the guy we need for such an organization (I'm leaning toward isn't).
 
steelbtexan said:
If you want Caserio give up the draft pick to get him. Atleast that's what the good orgs like the Kraft/ Pats did when they hired BB away from the NYJ's.
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I agree, I’m guessing the price the Patriots are asking is too high for the situation, ie a 1st rd pick for a guy whose contract is expiring in a yr. I’ve heard multiple times on various sport talk shows that Kraft is the one that’s pissed. He’s pissed that Easterby left. I’m wondering , as we get closer to the season, if the price will drop to a 3rd and a late round pick. I’d do that in a hear beat and I think it’s fair based on the situation
 
JB said:
What does a GM actually do in-season?
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I would guess look at picks from cuts or other free agents and trades (like demaryius thomas). I think there are generally still in season moves to be made.
 
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otisbean said:
I agree, I’m guessing the price the Patriots are asking is too high for the situation, ie a 1st rd pick for a guy whose contract is expiring in a yr. I’ve heard multiple times on various sport talk shows that Kraft is the one that’s pissed. He’s pissed that Easterby left. I’m wondering , as we get closer to the season, if the price will drop to a 3rd and a late round pick. I’d do that in a hear beat and I think it’s fair based on the situation
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If I was Cal I would've let it go to God'ell decide the cost of getting Caserio. Cal got whacked by Kraft. Kraft did the exact thing I'm talking about when he hired BB.
 
JB said:
What does a GM actually do in-season?
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I would guess look at picks from cuts or other free agents and trades (like demaryius thomas). I think there are generally still in season moves to be made.
otisbean said:
Well Barzigan has 14 yrs experience in player personnel. If Barzigan and Olsen work with BOB, it doesn’t seem like they’re missing much in that department.

Gaine has less than 2 yrs experience as a GM. I’m sure an intelligent person can handle the management of the non FB duties. Remember (for good or bad) we have had a consistent medical staff for years and we just spent a ton of money upgrading the weight room, cafeteria and locker rooms. I’m also guessing at this point travel arrangements ect..are not tough to figure out. With all that being said, if you don’t think Gaine is the right guy I don’t see why you’d keep a lame duck around.
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Ok but Barzingan was brought over by Gaine. I'm sure he can handle the duties, but then who is handling his job? Presumably most teams have these positions because they are needed to do the work.
 
Why give up a 1st round pick knowing this is Caserio last year under contract with the Patriots. Might as well be patient and keep your draft pick. Joker will blast the Texans if they have a bad year(6-10) in which could land them a top 6-15 draft pick. We wouldn't hear the last of that horrendous move. The darn Patriots would laugh their ashes off. Got them suckas again.
 
TheKDog said:
True, though I wonder if they would have fired him if they knew that Caserio could not interview
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So do I, but beside the point now... it's ancient history. I'm just wondering if they didn't bother talking to his agent thru Easterby, perhaps they were worried about a tampering charge? Sheer buffoonery
 
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