I do. I believe he will not sign the tender.Do you realize how rare that is?
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I do. I believe he will not sign the tender.Do you realize how rare that is?
I do. I believe he will not sign the tender.
I do. I believe he will not sign the tender.
Those trying to compare Clowney's to Lawrence's situation forget that Lawrence was on his second tag and potentially onto his third had the Cowboys not made the long term deal.What's the sales pitch that holding out benefits him? You realize his agent will lose $479k?
Holding out after year 3 of a rookie deal or in the middle of a seriously underpaying contract can make sense. Holding out on a franchise tag is usually shooting yourself in the foot. In Clowney's case moreso.
Ultimately it’s Clowneys decision. Look at it from his POV. If he signs a one year deal and gets hurt, he may never get another chance at a Large long term deal. This is his chance to financially take care himself and his loved ones for good.What's the sales pitch that holding out benefits him? You realize his agent will lose $479k?
Holding out after year 3 of a rookie deal or in the middle of a seriously underpaying contract can make sense. Holding out on a franchise tag is usually shooting yourself in the foot. In Clowney's case moreso.
Ultimately it’s Clowneys decision. Look at it from his POV. If he signs a one year deal and gets hurt, he may never get another chance at a Large long term deal. This is his chance to financially take care himself and his loved ones for good.
Both of their teams should have significant questions about "if fully intact." Clowney for obvious reasons. But the Cowboys ultimately may not be happy with giving Lawrence his big pay day. He will be undergoing shoulder labrum surgery soon for a problem he has played with for the past 2 years (causing increasing damage). This is likely to keep him out for at least 3-4 months. He will be fortunate to be functionally back by the beginning of the season, let alone TC. A recent study re. labrum surgery in football players published in the Orthopedic Journal of Sports Medicine Oct 2018 concluded that the first season back showed compromised return of performance in both the conservatively treated and surgically treated players. In the surgically repaired group, the snaps during the second year increased ~20% over the first year. The positions most significantly affected were linemen............DL greater than OL. Jerry Jones and company have thrown the dice. I'm not sure that it will turn out much wiser of a choice than if the Texans choose to follow the same route.
Why did he wait for negotiations to end before surgery? Did he want team pay for it? Every day healing should have been the plan.
I apologise for having to ask this....who is "Pancakes"? The nicknames and abbreviations lose me sometimes. This is one of them. Hey, I'm an old guy.
Thanks for the info, Pirbroke. I wonder what nickname folks use for me. That's why I chose HaveMercy for my online handle.
I periodically hear disrespectful comments about John McClain, but I've always enjoyed his commentary and opinions. I like him.
I think some of it came from McClain blasting Texans for taking Mario Williams. I understand he was sort of persona non grata for quiet some time. IMO, he did become more "team friendly" and allowed back. No comment on his role for years on 610 radio outlet for team assisting him to climb back into a state of grace. I do enjoy his stories of older players. Old guys just have to absorb something even if he is not cutting edge. IMO there's no one like that in H'town although Fox Mark Furman use to break some good info.
McClain can be entertaining and has some great oiler stories. If you hear him a handful of times its easy to believe what he says. After a while, when current team affairs or "what ifs" are asked you realize he speaks with conviction. Not fact. Most of it is simple guesswork to nfl fans who pay attention. Most of its just common sense.
There might've been a time when his foot was in the door and he had inside knowledge. I think that stopped when the Oilers left town.
I think he also played a signifcant role in getting Warren Moon in the HOF. But the way he talks about players getting into the HOF it sounds like the process is not that much unlike in Washington DC where a guy supports spending legislation for ones district then reciprocates by supporting the others spending bill. In other words selection to the HOF is not based on meritocracy but rather it's a political process.Yeah he had an insider with the Oilers... never with the Texans. Now when he's 'reporting' it's mostly the movies he's had a cameo in or wanted to be in. His guess work turns out to be mostly wrong, but he does have some influence... his work to get Robert Brazile into the HOF for example
Yeah he had an insider with the Oilers... never with the Texans. Now when he's 'reporting' it's mostly the movies he's had a cameo in or wanted to be in. His guess work turns out to be mostly wrong, but he does have some influence... his work to get Robert Brazile into the HOF for example
Hahaha..so sorry. When I typed that something didn't sound right. Thanks for correcting.Mark Furman?
Do you mean Berman?
This and he got sidetracked with his acting. 610 only made it worse playing up to him droning on and on about his credits. The programs spent eons talking movies and annual Academy Awards. I called once years ago comparing them to WWF(now WWE) not really a sport but great talkers. I think I was shortest comment in radio history. Also why did he get moniker "the General"?When the Texans started McLain was on the NFL generally and did have around the league contacts. Then they made him Texans specific and it cut his travel wahoos down. He was pissy for a while. But he did have some Casserly contacts. Then Kubiak came and shut that down. He got pissy again and was anti-Texan for a while. Without any insider info his lack of analyst skills was exposed. Over time he got over it and seems to have taken a fu@k it attitude more than pro Texan imo.
Great. More drama.
I honestly couldn't care less if this guy is with the team long-term or not.
Should have drafted Mack.
Because the Texans don't need pro-bowl caliber players or apathy is the way of life?
He's always disliked Clowney.
This really shouldn't surprise anyone.
He's always disliked Clowney.
Because the Texans don't need pro-bowl caliber players or apathy is the way of life?
Because he's not nearly as good as people think he is, frequently does unintelligent things on the field, disappears for large swaths of games/seasons, is somewhat fragile, yet is going to command an absolutely ridiculous amount of money compared to his value and performance.
Because he's not nearly as good as people think he is, frequently does unintelligent things on the field, disappears for large swaths of games/seasons, is somewhat fragile, yet is going to command an absolutely ridiculous amount of money compared to his value and performance.
This is one circumstance where either side of the aisle could make a very convincing and viable argument towards their case. On one hand, yes, Clowney is not on that Donald/Mack/Watt/Von level that many thought he would be. He’s had an injury history, and doesn’t have the sack numbers to back up his argument as a top edge rusher, what we drafted him to be. On the other hand, he’s still a very good player, he’s just now getting healthy, and is finally developing into the player we drafted him to be. You definitely don’t want your former first overall pick in the draft to walk in their prime for nothing, but you don’t want to hitch your wagon to them yet. I’m interested to see how Gaine handles this situation, but I think it’s beneficial to clowneys development, as well as our team that he’s in the building this offseason. As it stands now he won’t be, and I think it’s obviously very important that he’s there getting reps.
Like I said in another thread, this is a business. He’s not showing up unless he gets what he thinks he’s worth. So if we’re not gonna be the ones to give it to him, that’s fine; it’s upsetting to me personally because I think he’s a really good player and he’s still developing, but they need to make that trade before the draft. Because that will create yet another hole we need to fill with young talent
Don't get me wrong, he's a very good player. But he's not a very good player frequently enough to command the attention over and money his contract will likely end up being.
If we can keep him locked up and not kill any financial flexibility, then sure thing. Absolutely keep him and try to coach him to play smarter and more consistently. But again, a guy getting that much dough shouldn't still require that coaching and a call for more consistency.
This rumor of Clowney to Philly for the 53rd pick is crazy. If we need to trade Clowney fine but just a 2nd rounder no way.
Yea if it's a '19 second round pick then that's about right.This rumor of Clowney to Philly for the 53rd pick is crazy. If we need to trade Clowney fine but just a 2nd rounder no way.
I'm reminded of an old baseball adage: it's better to trade a guy a year too early than a year too late. IF traded, Clowney probably won't bring as much in trade this year as we'd like, plus he may go on to have a really good year elsewhere. But what if he's reinjured or declines a lot there. Then, in hindsight, we might be happy to have gotten what we did in trade.
You think all clowney is worth is a mid second round pick?Yea if it's a '19 second round pick then that's about right.
You think all clowney is worth is a mid second round pick?
Sorry that’s not = value. Minimum of 1300 points on the value chart or I’m riding him till that knee gives out.If you are looking at his skills and potential upside, I'd say no. If you take into account his injury history and the potential affect on his longevity and future injuries, I can see that. I would like a low round pick (5th or after) this year (or next year) as well.
Sorry that’s not = value. Minimum of 1300 points on the value chart or I’m riding him till that knee gives out.
A trade partner who's willing to roll the dice ? Who fits that profile ? Jerry Jones, but he's already screwed up so many times with risky edge rushers who were wife beaters, or pot heads, or whatever ? Of course JD has no such off field issues, he's just a good guy, a good teammate with shixxt knees.And that is what is lowering his value, that ride could end in the next game or in 5 years. Teams don't know so unless you find a real gambler for a trade partner I think a mid round second with maybe something like a 4th-6th is about the best you can do.