TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Gotta be a little lucky to win 6 in a row!
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**Official Game-Day Thread** Texans at Broncos, Sunday Nov 4, 2018!!
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Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
Know what's even more stupid? Those consistent runs on 2nd and long. Defenses read Billy like a book. It's like a broken record.
Fairbairn has to be the most inconsistent kicker in the game. His blown extra point put us within yards of losing today.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Haven't seen it this season yet? Didn't they just put up 42 points on offense two games ago?
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Any team led by Brock Osweiler doesn’t count.
How many points came off of interceptions?
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Two overtime victories that were gift wrapped, three defensive wins, and one missed FG by opposing team for our win.
If that ain’t lucky I don’t know what is.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
This is why I like you. You get it. Along with everyone here. It's not negative to keep it real. No way you could have told me 6 straight wins. Need wins in January
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Thanks man. I like you too if - as long as you keep agreeing with me. Lol!
I think everyone on this board says the same thing in a different way:
We have a good team - just not good enough to win the AFC championship game or even make it for that matter.
And our HC/OC is the biggest problem at this point unless he pulls some crazy Andy Reid/Belicheck/Sean Payton/Sean McVay out of his ass.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
It's the whole eyeball test. Screw stats. OB doesn't pass the eyeball test
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Just one... was the game that long ago you legitimately don't remember DW4 throwing 5 tds in 20 pass attempts?
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I really don’t remember. But I drink a lot like any good Texans fan.
Maybe I shouldn’t have said points off interceptions. I should have said “Brock can’t get an offense going and how many three and outs were there?” Or “how many bad passes that were over thrown?”
He did have 16 incompletions to DWs 4.
I just am biased that it doesn’t matter what the the Texans did that game - they played against a back up QB - and BO for that matter.
Right or wrong that’s what I think. And I am ok with being wrong.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
That's good you're okay being wrong. Because you are... Texans offense has had it's moments this season. As they should considering they are on a six game winning streak!
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Yea but are we going to use the Dolphins as a example this team can score?
That team is horrible top to bottom.
More so with Brock.
That is more of an outlier game based on the others so shouldn’t we discount that game of an anomaly based on the others that range in the 20 point offense we know and hate?
eriadoc
Texan-American
*shrug* Keenum has been better than every other Texans QB between him and Watson. We're all amazed at Watson and blessed to have him, but some of the time before him could have gone better at the position.
I've seen playoff games won with less than 19 points before.
It really depends on who you play & how they're playing.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
You've already admitted you aren't paying attention. The burden of proof is on you at this point.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
John McClainVerified account@McClain_on_NFL 3h3 hours ago
I just left a Texans' dressing room, where the players were more excited after a regular-season game than any I can remember.
I just left a Texans' dressing room, where the players were more excited after a regular-season game than any I can remember.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
I've been saying all season that O'Brien is getting bailed out by the individual efforts of the elite players on the team.
However, many of the struggles in this game were not on him. Denver game planned for a Texans offense that was depleted at receiver and cannot protect the passer, so they committed to stopping the run and forced Watson the throw it. The wind played into their favor with that plan.
On the other side of the ball, Denver knew our linebackers cannot cover while Cunningham is out, so they relied more on their tight end (hence all the missed tackles -- Heuerman is 6'5" 250lbs). Cunninghham was also missed when Lindsay was burning us in the middle.
This would have been a different game with Coutee or Ellington running underneath routes for Watson. The one thing I can't figure out is why we don't scheme our running backs as dump off options. Tom Brady uses those constantly, and the one time we used it tonight, it saved Watson's bacon when he tossed it to Miller from our own end zone.
We need TE's more involved, and we need the running backs to be receiving more. Reliance on wideouts is not how you compensate for a sub par offensive line.
However, many of the struggles in this game were not on him. Denver game planned for a Texans offense that was depleted at receiver and cannot protect the passer, so they committed to stopping the run and forced Watson the throw it. The wind played into their favor with that plan.
On the other side of the ball, Denver knew our linebackers cannot cover while Cunningham is out, so they relied more on their tight end (hence all the missed tackles -- Heuerman is 6'5" 250lbs). Cunninghham was also missed when Lindsay was burning us in the middle.
This would have been a different game with Coutee or Ellington running underneath routes for Watson. The one thing I can't figure out is why we don't scheme our running backs as dump off options. Tom Brady uses those constantly, and the one time we used it tonight, it saved Watson's bacon when he tossed it to Miller from our own end zone.
We need TE's more involved, and we need the running backs to be receiving more. Reliance on wideouts is not how you compensate for a sub par offensive line.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Agree 100%. Just doesn’t make sense. We have RBs that are good receivers. Guys that can make plays in space. We have weak pass pro. You’d think we’d see more pass plays designed to the RBs.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
BOb had no comfort level with the available Wr's outside of Nuk and I think that had a lot more to do with his conservative approach this week. I know we could not make that excuse most games but in this one we are coming off of a game where BOb opened things up a bit more than usual and Will Fuller who was playing a big role in his opening the offense up was lost for the season. Demaryius Thomas was too new of a weapon to do too much with him. Keke Coutee will be back as well. I think the offense will pick up the next time our team plays. It better anyway,
I don’t think anyone believes we are on the same tier as NE, KC, NO or the Rams. Of course we will be underdogs in the playoffs. In one game anything is possible - but not probable. Still I want to see what Watson can do in that atmosphere. He will learn from that experience.
Oh and for a good bit there, we were the better team against Denver. It was a 50 50 game and we got lucky at the end.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
O'Brien and Devlin hopefully had an eye opening experience during this game. Running game had been questionable at best Week 1 thru Week 6. Weeks 7 and 8 saw a very nice turnaround in the run game and that could be contributed to Mancz and Lamm having more time to work together. Martin even benefited with Mancz at RG as did the running game finally having big success to the right side for the first time in 15+ years.
So damn the results, Fulton is healthy and O'Brien and Devlin couldn't wait to insert him back at RG. For some reason, the running game and the OL reverted back to that wonderful unit that had every Texans fan feeling like the OL issues had been solved......NOT!!!!! Martin performed badly and the running game disappeared as fast as it had re-appeared over the previous two weeks. Also, sacks and pressures made a re-appearance.
Way to go O'Brien and Devlin.....you were just a far right miss from sludging up to the podium and giving that same ol' tried but true statement, "I take full blame for this loss".
Dang.......I'm still trying to figure out what you did to slam the book shut on the success of the first two drives.
So damn the results, Fulton is healthy and O'Brien and Devlin couldn't wait to insert him back at RG. For some reason, the running game and the OL reverted back to that wonderful unit that had every Texans fan feeling like the OL issues had been solved......NOT!!!!! Martin performed badly and the running game disappeared as fast as it had re-appeared over the previous two weeks. Also, sacks and pressures made a re-appearance.
Way to go O'Brien and Devlin.....you were just a far right miss from sludging up to the podium and giving that same ol' tried but true statement, "I take full blame for this loss".
Dang.......I'm still trying to figure out what you did to slam the book shut on the success of the first two drives.
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Nothing like an onslaught of 2nd and 12 plays to suck the ducking wind out of the offensive sails. It appeared that O'Brien went into the "play not to lose" mode 7 minutes into the game.
zshawn10
All Pro
Bill O’Brien ‘we feel like it is important to establish the running game’ Texans stuck with the run even when it wasn’t effective. Says this is Texans’ formula. Playing turnover free football was a huge key
— Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) November 5, 2018
Why does OB continue to calls runs on first down? Miller stuffed again. A 1-yard loss. They’re in FG range.
— John McClain (@McClain_on_NFL) November 4, 2018
STOP RUNNING ALFRED BLUE ON FIRST DOWN
— Sean Pendergast (@SeanTPendergast) November 4, 2018
— Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) November 5, 2018
Why does OB continue to calls runs on first down? Miller stuffed again. A 1-yard loss. They’re in FG range.
— John McClain (@McClain_on_NFL) November 4, 2018
STOP RUNNING ALFRED BLUE ON FIRST DOWN
— Sean Pendergast (@SeanTPendergast) November 4, 2018
First play of Texans drives:
1st Q
(15:00) L.Miller left guard to HOU 34 for 9 yards (T.Davis). (END OF DRIVE: TOUCHDOWN)
(9:27) (Shotgun) L.Miller up the middle to HOU 31 for no gain (A.Gotsis). (END OF DRIVE: PUNT)
(4:42) D.Watson pass short right to De.Thomas ran ob at HOU 37 for 12 yards. (END OF DRIVE: TURNOVER ON DOWNS)
2nd Q
(12:24) L.Miller up the middle to DEN 25 for -3 yards (S.Cravens; W.Parks). (END OF DRIVE: TOUCHDOWN)
(9:35) L.Miller right tackle to HOU 28 for -2 yards (B.Chubb). (END OF DRIVE: PUNT)
(5:33) D.Watson scrambles right end ran ob at HOU 29 for 4 yards (B.Chubb). (END OF DRIVE: PUNT)
(0:18) (Shotgun) D.Watson pass short left to R.Griffin pushed ob at DEN 35 for 13 yards (C.Harris). (END OF DRIVE: FIELDGOAL)
3rd Q
(13:22) L.Miller up the middle to HOU 22 for -1 yards (V.Miller, W.Parks). (END OF DRIVE: PUNT)
(5:57) A.Blue right guard to HOU 30 for 5 yards (J.Jewell). (END OF DRIVE: FIELDGOAL)
4th Q
(11:58) L.Miller left tackle to HOU 19 for -2 yards (S.Harris). (END OF DRIVE: PUNT)
(7:10) L.Miller right tackle to HOU 14 for 4 yards (B.Chubb; T.Davis). PENALTY on HOU-J.Davenport, Offensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at HOU 10 – No Play. (END OF DRIVE: PUNT)
1st Q
(15:00) L.Miller left guard to HOU 34 for 9 yards (T.Davis). (END OF DRIVE: TOUCHDOWN)
(9:27) (Shotgun) L.Miller up the middle to HOU 31 for no gain (A.Gotsis). (END OF DRIVE: PUNT)
(4:42) D.Watson pass short right to De.Thomas ran ob at HOU 37 for 12 yards. (END OF DRIVE: TURNOVER ON DOWNS)
2nd Q
(12:24) L.Miller up the middle to DEN 25 for -3 yards (S.Cravens; W.Parks). (END OF DRIVE: TOUCHDOWN)
(9:35) L.Miller right tackle to HOU 28 for -2 yards (B.Chubb). (END OF DRIVE: PUNT)
(5:33) D.Watson scrambles right end ran ob at HOU 29 for 4 yards (B.Chubb). (END OF DRIVE: PUNT)
(0:18) (Shotgun) D.Watson pass short left to R.Griffin pushed ob at DEN 35 for 13 yards (C.Harris). (END OF DRIVE: FIELDGOAL)
3rd Q
(13:22) L.Miller up the middle to HOU 22 for -1 yards (V.Miller, W.Parks). (END OF DRIVE: PUNT)
(5:57) A.Blue right guard to HOU 30 for 5 yards (J.Jewell). (END OF DRIVE: FIELDGOAL)
4th Q
(11:58) L.Miller left tackle to HOU 19 for -2 yards (S.Harris). (END OF DRIVE: PUNT)
(7:10) L.Miller right tackle to HOU 14 for 4 yards (B.Chubb; T.Davis). PENALTY on HOU-J.Davenport, Offensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at HOU 10 – No Play. (END OF DRIVE: PUNT)
dream_team
Hall of Fame
The Chiefs and Rams barely beat the Broncos in Denver as well. Maybe they’re a better team than you think?
The Broncos have a HC that is worse than O'Brien.
Look at his decision to go for the 62yd FG at the half. That cost them 3 points.
Then not taking a shot at the end of the game to at least try to give the kicker a better shot.
If not that, then they would have stupid penalties or mistakes on the defensive side.
Hard to get over the hump.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
After all the games this team "should have" won but didn't over the years, I'm perfectly happy with winning some games we "should have" lost.
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
I'm not a huge fan of OB - I think he lacks creativity and is not the offensive mind he thinks he is + seems to be a very stubborn man - but don't we all have to give him some credit or is it just every team we beat is terrible with a coach dumber than ours?
Up to 6 other head coaches dumber than ours - lets hope we get a least 5 more dumb coaches this year then.
- Team didn't quit on him after 0-3 (winning cures a lot who knows how/what team would say about OB if they were 3-6 right now)
- Whether we like it or not it seems to be his game plan to run the ball (even if we can't) limit turn overs, and apply pressure to the OTHER team - hoping they make a mistake (might have to rely on this due to talent/backups at certain positions - however I am in the camp that a lot of those talent problems OB has a share of the blame in)
- So far he has been successful in getting the lead and making the other team 'flinch' some like to call it luck or the other teams coach is dumber - but like I said let's hope that cycle keeps up, and if there truly are that many stupid head coaches in the league, should be a lot of openings next year. I for one and going to be dusting off my resume - I can call <insert RB name> up the middle with the best of them
Up to 6 other head coaches dumber than ours - lets hope we get a least 5 more dumb coaches this year then.
- Team didn't quit on him after 0-3 (winning cures a lot who knows how/what team would say about OB if they were 3-6 right now)
- Whether we like it or not it seems to be his game plan to run the ball (even if we can't) limit turn overs, and apply pressure to the OTHER team - hoping they make a mistake (might have to rely on this due to talent/backups at certain positions - however I am in the camp that a lot of those talent problems OB has a share of the blame in)
- So far he has been successful in getting the lead and making the other team 'flinch' some like to call it luck or the other teams coach is dumber - but like I said let's hope that cycle keeps up, and if there truly are that many stupid head coaches in the league, should be a lot of openings next year. I for one and going to be dusting off my resume - I can call <insert RB name> up the middle with the best of them
Texansballer74
The Marine
The first few games Miller was popping off 4.9 yards and Blue 5.6 yards. So 5 games out of 9 the running game was decent. The problem I see is Obrien is too predictable. Teams know we won't using be using Watson like we did last season. So they are stacking the box. Especially on first down
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Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Being successful in the regular season is great, but it's not always an indicator of what you can do in the playoffs. We've barely managed to beat some bad teams, there is no way the Texans stack up with the likes of the Chiefs, Patsies, Rams and Saints. We might end up the division winner again, but that's all. Been there, done that.
Of course it is better to be the best of the worst rather than living among the worst. I guess our mediocrity is better than the other's mediocrity.
You can say with confidence without Watson this team is crap, but you can't say that about OB.
Of course it is better to be the best of the worst rather than living among the worst. I guess our mediocrity is better than the other's mediocrity.
You can say with confidence without Watson this team is crap, but you can't say that about OB.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I can say this about the Saints, Rams, Redskins, Chiefs, and Steelers. The only team that defines them odds are the Patriots. Last season the Eagles defeated them odds as well.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Fruit baskets for Frank Reich, Blake Bortles/Cody Kessler , Nathan Peterman, and Vance Joseph are going to be crazy this christmas. Lets not forget we are the NY Giants only victory and we lost to Blaine Freakin Gabbert.
PapaL
Loose Screw
We're gonna have to get use to these tight games. Very easily we could be 8-1 or 1-8. I guess there are worse HC/OC's in the league but damn, I'd like to have a good one now with these weapons. Kyle Shannahan running this offense would be spectacular.
I see this team in the exact same spot we were in when we had Kubes.....
The team wins in spite of the leadership, not because of.
Its sad because the team itself I believe has the pieces it needs to beat anyone....... (not perfect, there ARE holes but what team doesn't have a weakness or two?) but the leadership doesn't have the balls/brains combination to fully utilize the strengths and players to do so.
ShinobiMusashi
Waterboy
The Texans vs Broncos game was the first one so far this year that I had to stream via Reddit and man it was such a stressful ordeal. First of all it's really frustrating that i live in Texas and the tv stations here would rather play the Saints games over the Texas football team.
So it starts off that my computer takes forever to load the stream and I miss the first few minutes of the game altogether.
Next problem is my tv automatically dimmed when I hooked my laptop up via HDMI, no matter how hard I turned up the brightness on the TV or the laptop it still was a really dim dark picture. So I look up how to fix it and change the setting, problem solved.
Then there was a huge lag whenever I tried to stream full screen, so had to watch the game on my 65 inch 4K curve on a little box less the size of a quarter of the ******* screen with a bunch of bullshit surrounding the box.
So that game was the first time I've missed any plays of a Texans game in probably 5-6 years(can't even remember the last time I missed a whole game). Then the game itself is a ******* nerve wracking nail biter. Just a stressful ordeal all the way around. Good lord.
Really proud of my team though. **** all this noise like the Broncos slipped on a banana peel and we won on some type of accident, what the **** ever dude, we won because Clowney and Watt were going after Keenum there in the end and the defense held them to force a long field goal, we won because we were able to stop their running game just enough to be able to score more points than they did. We put up the points necessary on the road with THIS offensive line with a skeleton crew of receivers against a defense that won a Super Bowl just a few years ago. So everybody acting like we lucked our way into another win can lick my sack, we went in there with a lot of guys out injured or playing hurt, to come out of there with the win is something I'm super happy and proud of. Kareem Jackson is having one hell of a season so far and played his ******* ass off yesterday in that game. I love my football team. I knew better than to throw in the towel on my team after that 0-3 start, I was rewarded with a 6 game winning streak. I think we can win out the rest of the schedule and get to 13-3, I believe.
So it starts off that my computer takes forever to load the stream and I miss the first few minutes of the game altogether.
Next problem is my tv automatically dimmed when I hooked my laptop up via HDMI, no matter how hard I turned up the brightness on the TV or the laptop it still was a really dim dark picture. So I look up how to fix it and change the setting, problem solved.
Then there was a huge lag whenever I tried to stream full screen, so had to watch the game on my 65 inch 4K curve on a little box less the size of a quarter of the ******* screen with a bunch of bullshit surrounding the box.
So that game was the first time I've missed any plays of a Texans game in probably 5-6 years(can't even remember the last time I missed a whole game). Then the game itself is a ******* nerve wracking nail biter. Just a stressful ordeal all the way around. Good lord.
Really proud of my team though. **** all this noise like the Broncos slipped on a banana peel and we won on some type of accident, what the **** ever dude, we won because Clowney and Watt were going after Keenum there in the end and the defense held them to force a long field goal, we won because we were able to stop their running game just enough to be able to score more points than they did. We put up the points necessary on the road with THIS offensive line with a skeleton crew of receivers against a defense that won a Super Bowl just a few years ago. So everybody acting like we lucked our way into another win can lick my sack, we went in there with a lot of guys out injured or playing hurt, to come out of there with the win is something I'm super happy and proud of. Kareem Jackson is having one hell of a season so far and played his ******* ass off yesterday in that game. I love my football team. I knew better than to throw in the towel on my team after that 0-3 start, I was rewarded with a 6 game winning streak. I think we can win out the rest of the schedule and get to 13-3, I believe.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
In one paragraph you explain how it's not on OB, then the rest of your post you tell us how we need to use the RBs in the pass game and use the TEs more. Well, that IS on him. He's the OC.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I said I didn’t remember not that I wasn’t paying attention. There is a difference.
The Texans score a lot against bad defenses. That is a given. Miami had bad defense. Colts had bad defense. Nothing to celebrate. Very ordinary. Being able to score against a bad defense doesn’t prove anything.
With those two games they average 24 points a game. With out those two games the average is 19.5.
Very ordinary.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
The Texans are a mediocre team with a very advantageous schedule. They have a few players that are top notch, luckily for us one of them is the QB.
I know I'm harsh on the Texans, but they just aren't as good as their record. They could easily be a very threatening and dangerous team with a decent o-line, and hopefully that gets taken care of this off season. (As if we haven't already said that a thousand frigging times.) With a decent o-line even OB's horseshit would work just fine.
I know I'm harsh on the Texans, but they just aren't as good as their record. They could easily be a very threatening and dangerous team with a decent o-line, and hopefully that gets taken care of this off season. (As if we haven't already said that a thousand frigging times.) With a decent o-line even OB's horseshit would work just fine.
Do you really want your QB, who is recovering from cracked ribs and a bruised, partially deflated lung running RPOs? Maybe after the bye, but OB would've been nucking futs to use that more than the one time I remember them running it yesterday.
Belichick would have this team as the odds on Super Bowl champs. I think Sean McVay would also. OB? Not so much.
Great start!
I beg to differ with this OL and depth THIS year... give them a year or two then yeah probably
I beg to differ with this OL and depth THIS year... give them a year or two then yeah probably
They're delusional.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Of course, they were...........It was the combination of the altitude effects with that cheap celebratory weed.......