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Obrien be gone

It bothers me because you would think he would have learned by now. It happened last with Seattle and the Pats. There are certain qb's you don't let them rush to the line to call a quick play and Brady is on the top of that list.

Oh i get that, and his poor clock management and just bad decisions against top teams does bother me, just not as much as giving up when you still have a chance. If the pats guy didn't muff the punt, idk how OB could walk into that locker room and look those players in the eyes after quitting on them, when the game was still in reach
 
O'Brien Be Gone. Now available in convenient pump, aerosol, or roll on application.

If O'Brien is still there, try our next level pink soap. One shower with that after a game will make you forget everything you just saw in the last 3 hours.
 
O'B is here to stay because we have an owner that won't do anything unless we go 2-14.

He should have been way more prepared than what we saw on Sunday. The whole "it's not my job to call a timeout" still irks me.


:panic:

We went 2-14 last year and Buttching received an extension. Not much optimism about a regime change from me. Buttchin will have to have an aneurism or stroke on the sideline, THEN the owner will view him as weak and make the move.
 
We went 2-14 last year and Buttching received an extension. Not much optimism about a regime change from me. Buttchin will have to have an aneurism or stroke on the sideline, THEN the owner will view him as weak and make the move.

Is this a common core math thing? Texans were 4-12 last year right? :D
 
Yeah, I heard that on the radio this morning and I agree with him.

If things don't turn around this season O'Brien needs to go.
And it needs to be a "HOLY CRAP, WHAT A HELLUVA TURNAROUND" kind of turnaround. 9-7 does NOT count as that. I've never been a big proponent of regime changes, but OB has shown that he isn't capable of learning from his mistakes or changing. I guess that Brown education convinced him that he already knows everything.
 
Agreed generally on OB.

Why the dig at a good school? A good school doesn't teach a set of facts. It teaches you how to learn your whole life.
The dig was more at OB because he qualified to go to a good school than because he went to a good school. " I qualified to go to Brown, so I'm smarter than all of you Alabama players/coaches/scouts." is how O'Brien seems to coach/his players/ his assistant coaches/ his GM
 
The dig was more at OB because he qualified to go to a good school than because he went to a good school. " I qualified to go to Brown, so I'm smarter than all of you Alabama players/coaches/scouts." is how O'Brien seems to coach/his players/ his assistant coaches/ his GM

The best his offense ever looked was when he had to whip one together on the fly for a rookie QB. The more he complicates things, the more he seems to **** it up. It's like paralysis by analysis with that guy. The dude really needs to subscribe to the principle of K.I.S.S. It's a tried and true method that works.
 
The best his offense ever looked was when he had to whip one together on the fly for a rookie QB. The more he complicates things, the more he seems to **** it up. It's like paralysis by analysis with that guy. The dude really needs to transcribe to the principle of K.I.S.S. It's a tried and true method that works.


Or hire a true OC for crying out loud. Lol
 
I think some coaches are overvalued and some are undervalued. Taking multiple teams to the championship and winning a couple makes a good coach in my opinion. At least I think it’s one thing that makes a good coach.
 
Belichick had the good sense enough to hire a good OC and let him do his job.

while i agree with the want to hire an OC, that is 2 different scenario's. Belichek was a DC before becoming a HC, and has at times forgone hiring a DC and called the plays himself, O'Brien was an OC so he is doing that with the offensive side of the ball.

I honestly think Sean Ryan will be our OC next year, he had some interviews for OC with other teams, had a meeting with the Texans upper management and stayed here. I think they did what they did with Vrabel the year before he became DC, increased his pay and told him spend another year learning to game plan and then he will get his promotion.
 
I cant wait till we replace BOB.

He absolutely choose the worst O-line last year. Now he screwed up what worked last year and made Watson a passer on a still bad O-line.
 
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The best his offense ever looked was when he had to whip one together on the fly for a rookie QB. The more he complicates things, the more he seems to **** it up. It's like paralysis by analysis with that guy. The dude really needs to subscribe to the principle of K.I.S.S. It's a tried and true method that works.
The truth of this is painful.

I remember watching the New England game LAST year and marveling at the "pulling out all the stops" attitude we seemed to have. Then I watch this year and we're trying to pigeon-hole Watson into a conventional attack.
 
I cant wait till we replace BOB.

He absolutely choose the worst O-line last year. Now he screwed up what worked last year and made Watson a passer on a still bad O-line.

The OL still isn't good enough.

Watson had a bad game, particularly with accuracy issues.

These things have to be corrected to have a successful yr.

BOB didn't have his finest hour on Sunday.
 
The truth of this is painful.

I remember watching the New England game LAST year and marveling at the "pulling out all the stops" attitude we seemed to have. Then I watch this year and we're trying to pigeon-hole Watson into a conventional attack.

And no QB has looked good in O'Brien's conventional attack. You can argue maybe Fitzpatrick, but that offense had a lot more weapons and a good OL.
 
The OL still isn't good enough.

Watson had a bad game, particularly with accuracy issues.

These things have to be corrected to have a successful yr.

BOB didn't have his finest hour on Sunday.


Not only did he have accuracy issues , he held the ball too long more often than not. I cant think of a single play where the ball came out on time. He looked like a rookie …. not a guy who took the league by storm for several games last year.


I blame most of that on OB and his …. multiple offense. He literally played into the Pats hands on every pass play - keeping Watson contained in the pocket (until the rush could get home).

Watson is NOT Brady or Brees …. guys who are going to beat you from the pocket.

The running game was working well enough that he should have used LOTS of play action and roll out type stuff where the defense has to honor the threat of Watson running and he can extend plays until the defense breaks down.
 
someone mentioned it already, but it felt like every pass play was a damn 20 yard route. Waiting and waiting for someone to come open. Pissed me off to no end.

in all fairness there was a lot of underneath stuff that Watson either didn't see, or chose not to go to. Huge glaring one was Miller wide open on the sidelines for an easy first down, instead Watson threw a bomb into double coverage that got picked off
 
in all fairness there was a lot of underneath stuff that Watson either didn't see, or chose not to go to. Huge glaring one was Miller wide open on the sidelines for an easy first down, instead Watson threw a bomb into double coverage that got picked off
Yes. And one in particular that I remember. It was 3rd down and Watson threw to the left at Ellington, low and away. It hit him in the hands but would not have been a first down. Hopkins was in trail mode behind him and was wide open between the hashes.

If I was tech savvy enough to screen shot my "coaches view" on game pass I'd post it.

I remember another I just saw today, #88 up the seam, wide *** open, but the ball went short to the left, incomplete.
 
in all fairness there was a lot of underneath stuff that Watson either didn't see, or chose not to go to. Huge glaring one was Miller wide open on the sidelines for an easy first down, instead Watson threw a bomb into double coverage that got picked off

True.

I remember seeing that live and thinking he either saw something I couldn't see or he just missed him.

I was hoping that he didn't just fail to see him because that should've been an easy read.
 
Watson wasn't playing the game with his eyes that is why he missed a lot of open targets gentlemen. I don't know if Obrien told him to go to his first read or not. But I remember last year Watson would look one way and quickly throw the other way with great accuracy. He didn't even attempt to look off the safeties or LB.
 
Watson wasn't playing the game with his eyes that is why he missed a lot of open targets gentlemen. I don't know if Obrien told him to go to his first read or not. But I remember last year Watson would look one way and quickly throw the other way with great accuracy. He didn't even attempt to look off the safeties or LB.


BOB anxiety about facing Bill B probably reflected on what he was telling Watson. No fear it will be better from here on out. BOB always wither like a flower infront of the great Billichick.
 
Watson wasn't playing the game with his eyes that is why he missed a lot of open targets gentlemen. I don't know if Obrien told him to go to his first read or not. But I remember last year Watson would look one way and quickly throw the other way with great accuracy. He didn't even attempt to look off the safeties or LB.

Seth Payne's analysis kind of matched what I saw. Watson was dropping his eyes to quickly, even on plays we pass protected well the pocket was still pushed some, and it resulted in the pocket being smaller than what he is used to. You see more experienced QBs handle it fine. somone like Brady or Rivers is fine standing with guys around his legs, and getting the ball off. Most young QBs, especially one coming off a knee surgery get a little nervous with it. He handled it fine last year, I wonder if part of him is still being cautious because of his surgery. Its something he will get use to and become less of a factor the more he plays, and the more trust he gains in his knee.
 
in all fairness there was a lot of underneath stuff that Watson either didn't see, or chose not to go to. Huge glaring one was Miller wide open on the sidelines for an easy first down, instead Watson threw a bomb into double coverage that got picked off
Right. Watching the 1st half all 22, that was absolutely the case. Watson just wasn't pulling the trigger for whatever reason. And he actually had time to throw quite a bit.

That said, there were a few routes where receivers turned back into coverage instead running to open field.
 
Right. Watching the 1st half all 22, that was absolutely the case. Watson just wasn't pulling the trigger for whatever reason. And he actually had time to throw quite a bit.

That said, there were a few routes where receivers turned back into coverage instead running to open field.

yea like the first time Watson missed Griffin over the middle, I put on Griffin. He had his guy beat, if he kept running up the seam where Watson put the ball it would've been a big play. Instead he flattened his route off, allowing the guy he had beat to catch back up.
 
Not only did he have accuracy issues , he held the ball too long more often than not. I cant think of a single play where the ball came out on time. He looked like a rookie …. not a guy who took the league by storm for several games last year.


I blame most of that on OB and his …. multiple offense. He literally played into the Pats hands on every pass play - keeping Watson contained in the pocket (until the rush could get home).

Watson is NOT Brady or Brees …. guys who are going to beat you from the pocket.

The running game was working well enough that he should have used LOTS of play action and roll out type stuff where the defense has to honor the threat of Watson running and he can extend plays until the defense breaks down.

I believe with Watson coming off of injury that BOB didn't want to put Watson in harms way with designed runs.

The run game only really started working when the Pats were 2 TD's ahead and weren't going to let Watson beat them. Plus Belichick is a witch. GOAT HC.
 
Funny how everyone is talking about the Pats not playing that well, and bitching like crazy about the Texans. A bunch of you bring up the Texans TO's and also in the same breath bring up the Pats TO's as if the Texans got lucky for the Pats to have TO's. That has got to be some of the dumbest stuff I've read from posters in here. How did the Pats get their TO's? WE CREATED THEM. The Texans defense did that by swatting the ball down and Badger getting a nice INT. We also had a nice FF on Gronk and got great Field position on the other score after a TO. Funny how people get all upset about the offensive TO's, but give our own defense no props for the TO's they created that KEPT THEM IN THE GAME. There were positives from that game. I'm sitting her wondering why all these "sky is falling" folks were thinking before the season and where were you guys in calling the Texans to win the SB?? Huh? All of a sudden this team ran by a 2nd year player coming off injury is SB or bust? :spit: I'll bet after they beat the Titans the same guys will be acting like Watson is MVP already again.
Did you watch the game or just read the box score? The game was 24-6 at one point. The Texans did a better job in the second half, especially on D, but they were thoroughly outplayed by the Pats. OB has a penchant for slow starts to seasons. Most on here have far more of a problem with OB than the team itself. I fully expect DW4 to look better as the season goes on. 1st game in 10 months or so and only 8 games total for him. I expect the OL to at least marginally improve also. The defense definitely shook some rust off and Sunday could be interesting since the tAcks have injury issues at both tackles spots and at QB.
 
Our money at work!!! :kitten:

I'm not as down on the entire franchise as you seems to be, but I have had enough of OB. Just not sure who he should be his replacement.

Not so much down on the franchise, just pragmatic about it. Seems like mediocrity is baked into the DNA of this organization, and it starts at the top. They reward mediocrity, and have since the beginning.

I'll never quit being a fan, but I'm not going to lie about it being a very consistent entertaining product. Apathy and lack of hope about long term success just leaves me "meh".

Bill O'Brien has his faults but at least he's a great man.

I'm pretty sure this is similar to the corporate mission statement of Houston Texans, Inc. :D
 
Seth Payne's analysis kind of matched what I saw. Watson was dropping his eyes to quickly, even on plays we pass protected well the pocket was still pushed some, and it resulted in the pocket being smaller than what he is used to. You see more experienced QBs handle it fine. somone like Brady or Rivers is fine standing with guys around his legs, and getting the ball off. Most young QBs, especially one coming off a knee surgery get a little nervous with it. He handled it fine last year, I wonder if part of him is still being cautious because of his surgery. Its something he will get use to and become less of a factor the more he plays, and the more trust he gains in his knee.

This is what I saw, although some here believe Watson is Jesus in cleats and no injury/coming back from injury can effect his performance.

BTW, for most players it is yr 2 before they trust their knee to the point that they reach their previous level of play. Peterson not withstanding
 
This is what I saw, although some here believe Watson is Jesus in cleats and no injury/coming back from injury can effect his performance.

BTW, for most players it is yr 2 before they trust their knee to the point that they reach their previous level of play. Peterson not withstanding

When he tore his other ACL in college he didnt start looking like himself again until 6 games in. All you can hope is with the more he plays the less of a concern it is for him.
 
Funny how everyone is talking about the Pats not playing that well, and bitching like crazy about the Texans. A bunch of you bring up the Texans TO's and also in the same breath bring up the Pats TO's as if the Texans got lucky for the Pats to have TO's. That has got to be some of the dumbest stuff I've read from posters in here. How did the Pats get their TO's? WE CREATED THEM. The Texans defense did that by swatting the ball down and Badger getting a nice INT. We also had a nice FF on Gronk and got great Field position on the other score after a TO. Funny how people get all upset about the offensive TO's, but give our own defense no props for the TO's they created that KEPT THEM IN THE GAME. There were positives from that game. I'm sitting her wondering why all these "sky is falling" folks were thinking before the season and where were you guys in calling the Texans to win the SB?? Huh? All of a sudden this team ran by a 2nd year player coming off injury is SB or bust? :spit: I'll bet after they beat the Titans the same guys will be acting like Watson is MVP already again.
Did you watch the game or just read the box score? The game was 24-6 at one point. The Texans did a better job in the second half, especially on D, but they were thoroughly outplayed by the Pats. OB has a penchant for slow starts to seasons. Most on here have far more of a problem with OB than the team itself. I fully expect DW4 to look better as the season goes on. 1st game in 10 months or so and only 8 games total for him. I expect the OL to at least marginally improve also. The defense definitely shook some rust off and Sunday could be interesting since the tAcks have injury issues at both tackles spots and at QB.
Not so much down on the franchise, just pragmatic about it. Seems like mediocrity is baked into the DNA of this organization, and it starts at the top. They reward mediocrity, and have since the beginning.

I'll never quit being a fan, but I'm not going to lie about it being a very consistent entertaining product. Apathy and lack of hope about long term success just leaves me "meh".



I'm pretty sure this is similar to the corporate mission statement of Houston Texans, Inc. :D
I don't think the franchise awards mediocrity as much as it disdains change for the sake of change. The best franchises in the NFL have a record of changing HC/GMs the least. I firmly believe that McNair wants to build a winner. I also firmly believe that the current economic environment makes it so painless to field a winner that it is easier to hang onto a HC/GM than in different eras.
 
I don't think the franchise awards mediocrity as much as it disdains change for the sake of change. The best franchises in the NFL have a record of changing HC/GMs the least. I firmly believe that McNair wants to build a winner. I also firmly believe that the current economic environment makes it so painless to field a winner that it is easier to hang onto a HC/GM than in different eras.

That exact reasoning is why Smith should have gone with Kubs. Now we are in this awkward period of OB finally having his GM(who I believe can be a really good gm), but we all kind of already know what we have in obrien
 
That exact reasoning is why Smith should have gone with Kubs. Now we are in this awkward period of OB finally having his GM(who I believe can be a really good gm), but we all kind of already know what we have in obrien
If this is the case, a good owner will discern this and act accordingly. I think the McNair's are good owners and will act accordingly. No harm, no foul if they fire OB next year. It hurts the bottom line, but could be negated with what is considered a good hire and doesn't affect the cap.
 
Kirk Bohls, the chief sports columnist for the Austin American, came right out and wrote that he'd fire both Jason Garrett and Bill O'Brien. We jolly well better win this 2nd game because another 4 win season will see the green vomit that calls itself a coach get fired. I think it should happen before season's end. Urban Myers must resent the shabby treatment he got from Ohio State and I imagine he would be happy to pay them back and leave for the Texans in mid season.
 
If this is the case, a good owner will discern this and act accordingly. I think the McNair's are good owners and will act accordingly. No harm, no foul if they fire OB next year. It hurts the bottom line, but could be negated with what is considered a good hire and doesn't affect the cap.

Gpps at making money.

The McNair's don't care about the bottom line. That's some funny stuff there.

Can't believe after sixteen years you still believe this. That's some PT Barnum stuff.
 
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