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Obrien be gone

Bulls on Parade said:
And we lost 27-20 with the ball in our hands trying to tie it late but we just ran out of time. You would think we lost 48-3 the way some people are reacting.

If we had just been better prepared, if O'Brien coached better, Watson is probably good enough to send that game into Overtime and possibly even win that game in regulation.

We can't overcome consistently bad coaching. We can likely overcome a poor quarter and even a poor half. We can even overcome some turnovers, but if the coaching isn't putting us in a position to succeed and win. We're going to come away with the same frustrating result as yesterday.

I expect Watson to be rusty the first three or four games...
He didn't play enough in the preseason to get back into sync.
That was his first "Full Real Game" since late October.
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The Texans were thoroughly outplayed and outcoached. Again. The game wasn't really as close as the score says it was.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
And we lost 27-20 with the ball in our hands trying to tie it late but we just ran out of time. You would think we lost 48-3 the way some people are reacting.

If we had just been better prepared, if O'Brien coached better, Watson is probably good enough to send that game into Overtime and possibly even win that game in regulation.

We can't overcome consistently bad coaching. We can likely overcome a poor quarter and even a poor half. We can even overcome some turnovers, but if the coaching isn't putting us in a position to succeed and win. We're going to come away with the same frustrating result as yesterday.

I expect Watson to be rusty the first three or four games...
He didn't play enough in the preseason to get back into sync.
That was his first "Full Real Game" since late October.
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People are mainly reacting to Bill O'Brien making the same got damn mistakes. People are tripping on, the same slow ash starts. Or how about having your freaking team ready to play some football for crying out loud.

I can't believe this **** doesn't tick you off from time to time.
 
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Listening to the soundbite of the exchange with Pancakes McClain was the most cringe worthy thing I've had to listen to in a while. "durrr not my job to make their job easy John" .. "well I dont know JOHHNN i'll have to look at the tape" .. seriously the whole tough guy act needs to go everyone knows he's a big ***** on the sidelines, playing tough makes it worse.
 
I had some Patriots fans over to the house yesterday to watch the game with me, and they asked how long we had had our Head Coach, assuming he was a newbie because of all the mistakes he was making, poor play calling, etc. My response was, "for too long". This guy has to go, I'm sick of his act
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Forget the timeout and the inexplicably ridiculous post game response? How about the punting when down in the 4th? The terrible third down screen playcall? The lack of game prep yet AGAIN? The embarrassingly bad time management, especially at the end of the game?

This wasn't O'Brien's only mistake today. I probably forgot dozens others that I'd have to rewatch the game for but I'm not particularly suicidal to do that.

There was literally a point during today's game where I posted "Is Bill O'Brien throwing this game?"

He's that incomprehensible. He's that bad. He's a scam artist. And I can't believe how many people bought into it and continue to buy into it. I'm hoping that tide is changing. Every shred of "Patriot" needs to be purged from this Texans bloodstream. Every single drop of it.
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This all day long x1,000
 
I am going to give an honest opinion. McNrair bought a team and brought professional football back to Houston and I happy and thankful he did. His goal was probably to win and accomplish great things as the owner of an NFL team. I think he is a great business guy but not necessarily a great NFL. owner because he just lacks the football knowledge and the necessary instincts to be able to have a great team. Is it his fault? Not really. But it is becoming more and clearer and that might just be the way it is.
 
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O'Brien's primary asset as a head coach is his personality. A team adopts the coach's personality, and O'Brien's is good for that purpose. But then O'Brien starts making bad decisions, which negates any good qualities he brings to the table. These decisions include those made before the game and during.

By the way, to those of you who argued that our formerly IR'd sophomore QB should've been getting many more preseason snaps in the new offense -- you were right.

After this many years, there's no fixing O'Brien. If he did didn't learn coaching basics and time management at Penn State, he won't learn it in year four in Houston. The best we could hope for is that Cal hires an assistant to manage the clock and decide challenges. Yes, that is sub-optimal and a little embarrassing, but it's at least acceptable. What we witnessed yesterday was not.
 
If the Patriots were hitting on all cylinders, we would have been blown out by 40 points. You can just see how much "rust" NE had compared to us. Also, those RPO plays can go in a dumpster after this game. I almost threw up when I was still seeing them in the 3rd-4th quarter.
 
Texans have hired a defensive coordinator and two offensive coordinators to be their head coach.

Might suggest, next time they hire a proven head coach.
 
beerlover said:
Texans have hired a defensive coordinator and two offensive coordinators to be their head coach.

Might suggest, next time they hire a proven head coach.
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They had one in Kubiak, but in routine Texan fashion they show ZERO loyalty to the coach who had a stroke on the sideline for the team. A coach who was a consumate professional, and knew how to talk to people even after horrible losses, he never had to put on a show or pound his chest to make points and his biggest flaw was he; himself; being too loyal to his players.

Enjoy your retirement Koobs, and that fancy new ring you get to wear around thanks to Elway and the Broncos for knowing that you had what it takes to win as a head coach in this league.
 
Uncle Rico said:
They had one in Kubiak, but in routine Texan fashion they show ZERO loyalty to the coach who had a stroke on the sideline for the team. A coach who was a consumate professional, and knew how to talk to people even after horrible losses, he never had to put on a show or pound his chest to make points and his biggest flaw was he; himself; being too loyal to his players.

Enjoy your retirement Koobs, and that fancy new ring you get to wear around thanks to Elway and the Broncos for knowing that you had what it takes to win as a head coach in this league.
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He's working as senior personnel advisor for the Broncos now. My guess is he had a hand in getting Keenum to Denver.
 
This franchise is soft from the owner on down. It always has been since 2002.

You've got a mild, milquetoast owner, his Lil' Enis son ready to take over, they have training camp in a country club, barely play any starters in the preseason (compared to the Patriots where HoF QB is playing an entire half of a preseason game). . .

I guess I wonder why so many Texans fans seem surprised by yesterday? :um:

I expect nothing from this franchise, even with great players on it. And yesterday is just another example of the entire franchise being outperformed, outcoached, and just outplayed by a franchise that has been the gold standard for almost two decades.

I hoped they could at least "compete". . .silly me. Even hope is a pointless expectation with the Houston Texans.

But, hey, they still have one of the best gameday experiences according to JD Powers and Associates, so Texans fans at least have that.
 
To the people saying this was a close game - we were watching two completely different games. The only reason it was close is because the Defense and ST were opportunistic at the right moments and capitalized on mistakes by NE.

The offense, DW, and BOB completely **** in the bed. Had the Pats been totally on, this would have been a 40-13 type game. This was the biggest 7 point blowout I've ever seen. It wasn't close. It wasn't even close to close. If you think this was close, we weren't watching the same game.

I remember a somewhat similar first game in 2013 in SD. That time, the Texans did pull off the miracle. A few of us weren't happy with the performance at all, and sounded the alarms. The rest of the group shouted us down saying a win is a win is a win. If you don't remember the rest of that pathetic season, it's probably from all the drinking it took to drown it out.

No it was not close! It was a freaking embarrassment and once again Bill beat BOB with a wooden paddle board so badly his ass will be bruised until Christmas.

The problem is it's accepted at the highest levels. Close is good enough. Cal is probably saying aww geewiz shucks, if only we could win some time. Well fellas, you tried hard, let's go have an ice cream and count our millions.
 
Double Barrel said:
This franchise is soft from the owner on down. It always has been since 2002.

You've got a mild, milquetoast owner, his Lil' Enis son ready to take over, they have training camp in a country club, barely play any starters in the preseason (compared to the Patriots where HoF QB is playing an entire half of a preseason game). . .

I guess I wonder why so many Texans fans seem surprised by yesterday? :um:

I expect nothing from this franchise, even with great players on it. And yesterday is just another example of the entire franchise being outperformed, outcoached, and just outplayed by a franchise that has been the gold standard for almost two decades.

I hoped they could at least "compete". . .silly me. Even hope is a pointless expectation with the Houston Texans.

But, hey, they still have one of the best gameday experiences according to JD Powers and Associates, so Texans fans at least have that.
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Our money at work!!! :kitten:

I'm not as down on the entire franchise as you seems to be, but I have had enough of OB. Just not sure who he should be his replacement.
 
Porky said:
To the people saying this was a close game - we were watching two completely different games. The only reason it was close is because the Defense and ST were opportunistic at the right moments and capitalized on mistakes by NE.
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That's football though. Shit happens and you try to take advantage. The Pats took advantage of the 1st play fumble. Bam, 7 points they shouldn't have had. At least that early anyway. If OB calls the TO and the Gronk completion gets overturned, do the Pats still get 7 there? If they do, at least they've got to get those 28 yards all over again. That's a possible 14 point difference in a 7 point game.

No, the game wasn't as close as the score indicated, but that doesn't mean the Texans didn't have their chances. Even as crappy as they played. If there's anything positive to take from that game, it's that.
 
Porky said:
To the people saying this was a close game - we were watching two completely different games. The only reason it was close is because the Defense and ST were opportunistic at the right moments and capitalized on mistakes by NE.

The offense, DW, and BOB completely **** in the bed. Had the Pats been totally on, this would have been a 40-13 type game. This was the biggest 7 point blowout I've ever seen. It wasn't close. It wasn't even close to close. If you think this was close, we weren't watching the same game.

I remember a somewhat similar first game in 2013 in SD. That time, the Texans did pull off the miracle. A few of us weren't happy with the performance at all, and sounded the alarms. The rest of the group shouted us down saying a win is a win is a win. If you don't remember the rest of that pathetic season, it's probably from all the drinking it took to drown it out.

No it was not close! It was a freaking embarrassment and once again Bill beat BOB with a wooden paddle board so badly his ass will be bruised until Christmas.

The problem is it's accepted at the highest levels. Close is good enough. Cal is probably saying aww geewiz shucks, if only we could win some time. Well fellas, you tried hard, let's go have an ice cream and count our millions.
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I couldn't agree more! From the first Texan snap when Watson fumbled, I never felt the Texan's had a chance to win the game. What I saw was the Pats playing below par for them, three turnovers etc..., but knowing they were playing the Texans. They knew what they had to do to win and it wasn't much yesterday. I honestly think O'Brien punted late in the game down 14 to protect his trash time and not let the game turn into a rout. Sure enough today we're hearing how we only lost by 7... if that's not the sound of a loser I don't know what is. So God helps those who can't help themselves and we get the fluke turnover on the punt. But capitalizing on that great opportunity, with great play calling and clock management is simply beyond this coach.

Oh well. the Titans this week. Hopefully the Titans are bad enough to lose even with OB's coaching. It's really ashamed when your team starts behind the 8 ball because of their coach. And they gave this guy an extension.

How many times this year will he be one of the main reasons we lose?
 
Funny how everyone is talking about the Pats not playing that well, and bitching like crazy about the Texans. A bunch of you bring up the Texans TO's and also in the same breath bring up the Pats TO's as if the Texans got lucky for the Pats to have TO's. That has got to be some of the dumbest stuff I've read from posters in here. How did the Pats get their TO's? WE CREATED THEM. The Texans defense did that by swatting the ball down and Badger getting a nice INT. We also had a nice FF on Gronk and got great Field position on the other score after a TO. Funny how people get all upset about the offensive TO's, but give our own defense no props for the TO's they created that KEPT THEM IN THE GAME. There were positives from that game. I'm sitting her wondering why all these "sky is falling" folks were thinking before the season and where were you guys in calling the Texans to win the SB?? Huh? All of a sudden this team ran by a 2nd year player coming off injury is SB or bust? :spit: I'll bet after they beat the Titans the same guys will be acting like Watson is MVP already again.
 
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ObsiWan said:
After listening to Romo yesterday, can we hire him as the offensive coordinator?
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Romo is the best color guy on NFL broadcasts. Better than the previous Dallas QB who I also like.

At times, maybe he gets a bit too technical with X's and O's for casual viewers, but all in all, he's insightful and interesting to listen and he seems to know more than our coach that's for damn sure.
 
Porky said:
To the people saying this was a close game - we were watching two completely different games. The only reason it was close is because the Defense and ST were opportunistic at the right moments and capitalized on mistakes by NE.
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Last I checked the defense is half of our team. The way you describe it, the Jags didn't win any of their games last season because their defense did most of the work to score points and not just the offense. Since when does it ******* matter? The game came down to a 7 point lead where the Texans were in position to try and make a come back. It was close.
 
Texecutioner said:
Funny how everyone is talking about the Pats not playing that well, and bitching like crazy about the Texans. A bunch of you bring up the Texans TO's and also in the same breath bring up the Pats TO's as if the Texans got lucky for the Pats to have TO's. That has got to be some of the dumbest stuff I've read from posters in here. How did the Pats get their TO's? WE CREATED THEM. The Texans defense did that by swatting the ball down and Badger getting a nice INT. We also had a nice FF on Gronk and got great Field position on the other score after a TO. Funny how people get all upset about the offensive TO's, but give our own defense no props for the TO's they created that KEPT THEM IN THE GAME. There were positives from that game. I'm sitting her wondering why all these "sky is falling" folks were thinking before the season and where were you guys in calling the Texans to win the SB?? Huh? All of a sudden this team ran by a 2nd year player coming off injury is SB or bust? :spit: I'll bet after they beat the Titans the same guys will be acting like Watson is MVP already again.
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It's because I've seen it so many times before. We had a chance for a new start with a new coach and we went same ole, same ole with a 4 year extension to boot. And guess what we got Sunday, the same ole, same ole. I wish I could be happy about it, but I'm not. O'Brien has had enough time to show us what he's got and he keeps doing the same dumb stuff. It's ashamed for the team to work hard and have to overcome their head coach's mistakes. In a league this balanced, that's quite a disadvantage, especially when you go up against a good coach that's doing the opposite for their team.
 
Tony Romo was calling a better game than O'Brien yesterday. Why the hell did we punt on 4th down down 14 with 4:30 to play? Why were we taking our sweet ass time huddling down 14 before we scored that last touchdown ? I thought Kubiak was horrible at clock management, but O'Brien is 10 times worse.

I go to college games and see spread offenses all the time and the most common thing they do in the running game is run between the tackles because thats where the blockers are, but O'Brien wants to run sweeps from 3 and 4 wide formations Is he really that clueless ?
 
Really it’s just hard to judge this coach or that coach because there are too many factors involved in doing so. Let’s not compare Kubiak just because he won one Super Bowl by having two of the greatest in Manning and Elway.
 
gary said:
Really it’s just hard to judge this coach or that coach because there are too many factors involved in doing so. Let’s not compare Kubiak just because he won one Super Bowl by having two of the greatest in Manning and Elway.
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When he was just a candidate for the HC job I conducted a lot of research on BoB. The more I read about him, his dedication, his intelligence, his attitude toward football and even his family the more impressed I was of him. The Texans won their season opener with him, beating the Raiders with power running game to ice the game.

The first 2 years of his tenure I was a big fan of his. In his 3rd I became his biggest apologist. Give him time I said, the wins will start piling. Last year I started criticizing him, a little more after each loss. By the end of the season I felt he, Smith and the entire coaching staff needed to be replaced. A fresh start.

I have no ill will towards BoB, I’ve just had enough of his predictable game plan and the team coming out flat. Tex was right, the defense did play well...after they were down 21-6. Yeah, there were some standouts. But this defense, as it has done pretty much all of BoB’s time here starts out flat. Sometimes they don’t play up to their collective potential until after several games have already been lost and the team is pretty much playing for their playoff lives.

I’ve seen enough but we’re probably stuck with this mediocrity for awhile longer.
 
Things could be a lot worse. At least we aren't the Detroit Lions. Wow, do they look awful. They're making the Jets look like a Super Bowl contender. Matt Patricia has no clue what he's doing as a head coach. I'm surprised he made it through that sexual assault claim without even a slap on the wrist. Granted it was many years ago but still very disturbing as I read the old police records from 1996.
 
If OB went on to coach the Patriots or Eagles and they won the Super Bowl, would that make him a good coach?
 
gary said:
If OB went on to coach the Patriots or Eagles and they won the Super Bowl, would that make him a good coach?
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We played horrible and lost 27-20 to the defending AFC champs on the road. And that's despite not getting our best players enough work this preseason.

I think we'll be okay...

Look at the Detroit Lions. Losing 48-17 at home late in the third quarter against a so-so Jets team. With a controversial rookie head coach that quite frankly not a lot of people have any respect for.

Bill O'Brien has his faults but at least he's a great man.
I think we can move forward with a lot of optimism.

I think BOB can win a Super Bowl with the Houston Texans. Just like I thought Gary Kubiak could have as well. He did in Denver after leaving.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
We played horrible and lost 27-20 to the defending AFC champs on the road. And that's despite not getting our best players enough work this preseason.

I think we'll be okay...

Look at the Detroit Lions. Losing 48-17 at home late in the third quarter against a so-so Jets team. With a controversial rookie head coach that quite frankly not a lot of people have any respect for.

Bill O'Brien has his faults but at least he's a great man.
I think we can move forward with a lot of optimism.

I think BOB can win a Super Bowl with the Houston Texans. Just like I thought Gary Kubiak could have as well. He did in Denver after leaving.
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Matt Schaub was the best quarterback Gary had here. His sister in law used to work at the high school I went to and I talked to her quite often. Kubiak had been very frustrated after Fat Albert broke Matt’s leg. He was not ever the same player after that happend. Manning is well an all time great and some coaching staffs work out well with some other players and some do not for whatever the reason might be. The right combination has to be found and then you don’t ever know how things will go.
 
O'Brien's presser today: "...it looked like a catch to me."

In the postgame press conference, I just want to clarify something. When I was asked about the two-minute drive at the end of the half, one thing that’s made clear to the head coach on the sideline is that (you) put your red flag away. So, I hand my red flag to Mike Parson, and they tell you that everything that’s reviewable is subject to a booth review. So, when (Rob) Gronkowski made the catch, upstairs, our guys said, ‘Hey look, I can’t really tell.’ It looked to me from the field that he made the catch. I don’t really have the benefit of nine different angles. The clock was running down, I basically wanted the Patriots to operate and see if they could do what they needed to do, relative to taking a timeout to allow New York more time to review. I very much realize that I can take a timeout there. I decided not to because I felt from my vantage point that it was a catch, and that’s what I went with. They didn’t buzz down in time, OK. I do realize that I can take a timeout, I just didn’t make that very clear. I didn’t answer that question very well last night. For that, I just wanted to clarify that. That was my decision based on what I was told from upstairs and then what I saw from the sideline and that’s how I decided to handle it. Hindsight being 20/20, with the benefit of eight different angles and all those things, surely I would have taken a timeout to see if they would at least buzz down to take a look at the play. But, they didn’t, and I didn’t do that. So, that’s exactly what happened and we ended up giving up a touchdown at the end of the half that didn’t help our cause, obviously. So, that’s kind of the way I saw that. So, with that, I’ll open it up to questions.”

After you went back and watched TE Rob Gronkowski’s catch, do you think it was a catch?

“You know, on the coaches film, I really do. He went up, he caught it, he kept both hands underneath it. Now, relative to some TV angles and some other video angles that I’ve seen, maybe it was questionable. But, from the coaches vantage point on the coaches tape, it looked like a catch to me. The (DeAndre) Hopkins catch on the pop-pass to Hopkins, I wasn’t sure if that was a catch. Coach (Bill) Belichick challenged that, they ruled that a catch, so, I just felt like that was a catch. The clock was running and I felt like I did not want to take a timeout there. I felt like we still could hold them to a field goal in that situation.”
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O'Brien, you just don't ******* get it. Call the freaking timeout. That is the only correct answer. You can't sell unused timeouts on eBay. Get your act together, or polish your resume for a college job. Looks like that Maryland HC job will be open, again.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
We played horrible and lost 27-20 to the defending AFC champs on the road. And that's despite not getting our best players enough work this preseason.

I think we'll be okay...

Look at the Detroit Lions. Losing 48-17 at home late in the third quarter against a so-so Jets team. With a controversial rookie head coach that quite frankly not a lot of people have any respect for.

Bill O'Brien has his faults but at least he's a great man.
I think we can move forward with a lot of optimism.

I think BOB can win a Super Bowl with the Houston Texans. Just like I thought Gary Kubiak could have as well. He did in Denver after leaving.
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We played horribly and weren't prepared because of Bill O'Brien.

We lost to the reigning AFC Champs on the road in the same exact way we've lost in years past because in a game that wasn't even nearly as close as the final score might indicate to someone who might not have watched a single second of the game because of Bill O'Brien.

The players didn't get enough work in the preseason because of Bill O'Brien.

The Lions are losing 48-17 to another Patriots disciple who will also ultimately fail because he's a Patriots disciple but oh yeah at least that's his first game, while we've seen the exact same **** for a now FIFTH YEAR AND COUNTING with Bill O'Brien.

There is absolutely zero reason for optimism given what we've seen from Bill O'Brien in the last 4 seasons and 1 game of a 5th, because of Bill O'Brien.

Kubiak won because he showed many signs of improvement both here and once he got his next gig.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Bill O'Brien can win a Super Bowl here. Literally nothing. Not only has he not learned anything in the time he's been here, but he often turns into a condescending, holier than thou piece of **** when even questioned about his failures, just look to his post game remarks yesterday. And that's because of Bill O'Brien.

Bill O'Brien is not just some guy in the organization. He's the ******* head coach of the ******* team. And since we've set precedent that the head coach is to be blamed for every single failure of the team, and since we've set the precedent that Bill O'Brien should be fellated incessantly, then Bill O'Brien is the one who deserves all the blame for coming up short on reaching the sickening, undeserved hype. When you're presented as the savior, this is what you get. Sorry.
 
ColeThornton said:
It's because I've seen it so many times before. We had a chance for a new start with a new coach and we went same ole, same ole with a 4 year extension to boot. And guess what we got Sunday, the same ole, same ole. I wish I could be happy about it, but I'm not. O'Brien has had enough time to show us what he's got and he keeps doing the same dumb stuff. It's ashamed for the team to work hard and have to overcome their head coach's mistakes. In a league this balanced, that's quite a disadvantage, especially when you go up against a good coach that's doing the opposite for their team.
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Did you think they were capable of winning a SB this year?
 
Texecutioner said:
Did you think they were capable of winning a SB this year?
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No, I was one of the many who said they shouldn't extend OBs contract and let's try someone else. I don't think they will win a SB with this head coach. I've got nothing against him personally, I really admire his relationship with his family. I also don't base my assessment on if he were on this team or that team. It's based on his inability to do some of the most basic things. I've seen HS coaches, manage the clock, and make in game decisions, better than our "Pro". I had hoped the first couple of seasons were an anomaly, and once again hoped this year would be different but "his" mistakes(plural) Sunday were just about as bad as any since he's been here. Maybe he should swallow his pride and hire an OC to make all these in game decisions but he seems to arrogant and condescending every time he's asked about it to voluntarily do it.

The Texans get the AFC East and their division has been one of the worse for some time now. O'Brien's 9/7 years were against one of the easiest schedules in the league each time it happened. Maybe we can take advantage of that again and make it to the playoffs in spite of O'Brien.
 
I still put the loss on O'Brien, but his explanation of not calling a time out is making me think. If the guys in the booth don't give him a reason to call the time out (which they didn't, according to him), then why would he? If he loses that gamble because of unreliable information, the headline is "Why did O'Brien burn a valuable time out?"
 
Brisco_County said:
I still put the loss on O'Brien, but his explanation of not calling a time out is making me think. If the guys in the booth don't give him a reason to call the time out (which they didn't, according to him), then why would he? If he loses that gamble because of unreliable information, the headline is "Why did O'Brien burn a valuable time out?"
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There was a minute left in the half with 3 time outs remaining. There was no value to the time outs and no gamble. He doesn't gamble when he should and gambles when he shouldn't (going for it on 4th and 5 w/ 10 minutes left in the 3rd quarter).
 
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I still put the loss on O'Brien, but his explanation of not calling a time out is making me think. If the guys in the booth don't give him a reason to call the time out (which they didn't, according to him), then why would he? If he loses that gamble because of unreliable information, the headline is "Why did O'Brien burn a valuable time out?"
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The guys in the booth thought it was a catch. Did they give a percentage? Not sure

But with 3 timeouts it's worth it. There was no other need for the timeouts.
 
TheKDog said:
The guys in the booth thought it was a catch. Did they give a percentage? Not sure

But with 3 timeouts it's worth it. There was no other need for the timeouts.
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It really doesn't matter BOB should've used a TO to challenge that play because,

1. There was a good chance he would've won the challenge.
2. A TO would've broken the rhythm the Pats offense had obviosly gained on that drive.
 
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