Yeah and just the fact that they were rushing was enough reason. They wanted to get a quick play off and we had 3 timeouts we weren't going to use.
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Obrien be gone
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Yeah and just the fact that they were rushing was enough reason. They wanted to get a quick play off and we had 3 timeouts we weren't going to use.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Lets see what they score at the end. They only have 13 right now and the Rams D is nasty. Texans scored 20. People act like they put up 3 points.
Good point that no one has really brought up.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
It wasn't a valuable timeout. We had 3 timeouts.
I hereby nominate you for....
president of the Bill O'Brien Sunshine Club
Be warned, it's a thankless job.
(I know because I was president of the GK Sunshine Club
)
austins23
Hall of Fame
And that kid was on the bus the next morning. He was cut.
This right here. Great players, Watt, Clowney, Mercilus, McKinney. I guess they all played well enough to keep the Texans in the game. But the Dline was getting stoned by an offensive line of basically JAG's! Not until the 2nd half did they start getting some pressure on Brady. And O'Brien's "game plan" offense sucks!
Texansballer74
The Marine
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Manning could have been a Texan with Kubiak here .. would we have won a championship since you're implying that Kubiak had less or a role in that run than Manning and Elway? Wierd.
The Rams didn't play there starters at all in PS that I'm aware of. How did they do? Coaching is the difference.
gary
Hall of Fame
Yes. Who knows? We could go on and on though. Denver basically had it all that season including the best defense. To me everyone gets to the same amount of credit for winning and blame for losing. Good for Gary he won but after Matt Schaub went down he and Rick both share the blame for not ever really adequately replaced him. I mean Jon Gruden won a ring (which he put on my finger when I met him) he did not ever really do anything after that. Is he a great coach? How about BB without Brady? All I mean is you that the stars have to align just right in order to win and be successful in any sport. Kerry Colins was an average QB who almost won the Super Bowl but he lost it to a team which had another average QB but they had an all time great NFL defense. Finding the right group of people who work well together is done by trial and error and that is the key it’s all that really matters.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
In Koobs defense Manning was a shell of his former self in the Super Bowl run and quite frankly won in spite of him. Yup defense wins championships no argument there. I just found it odd you'd credit Elway and Manning over Kubiak, but you're entitled to your opinion. Jon Gruden is a maniac who is a control freak, and is usually his own worst enemy. Its his way or the highway and its an outdated coaching style and philosophy, I mean the dude was busting out the old halfback draws inside the tackles last night! I think Kubiak is a better coach than Gruden, and a far more intellectual offensive football mind.
I spoke too soon. Same old Carr!
gary
Hall of Fame
I give as much credit to Kubiak I give to everyone it takes a group effort.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Good point that no one has really brought up.
I hereby nominate you for....
president of the Bill O'Brien Sunshine Club
Be warned, it's a thankless job.
(I know because I was president of the GK Sunshine Club
He is of every Houston team they've ever had. They're all gonna win it all.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Bwhahaha you just heard this **** on TV. Off the chains.
1 team out of how many. Is this the excuse we're going to use. Oh the Rams looked sharp in their first game without playing their starters in preseason. Man we are talking about the freaking Texans who are notorious for slow starts as well as not being prepared.
There seemed to be a trend of teams not playing their starters as much as in previous years.
ColeThornton
Waterboy
So now we find out O'Brien doesn't even know what he can and can not challenge! On his radio program he was asked if he could challenge too many men on the field and he said he couldn't. How did this guy ever become a head coach in this league. I guess the Texan's, who can't seem to ever admit they were wrong, need to hire someone smart to call all the shots during the game and put a headset on O'Brien that isn't plugged in.
How many stupid mistakes can this guy make. We're wasting some great years with some great talent with this guy at the helm.
How many stupid mistakes can this guy make. We're wasting some great years with some great talent with this guy at the helm.
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When did he say that?
ColeThornton
Waterboy
They were talking about it on 610 this afternoon. It was in reference to the play Sunday where we were called for a false start and NE had 12 on the field. I believe they said it was during the Bill O'Brien show yesterday. They played the audio a couple of times this afternoon.
Shishkabob
All Pro
was it unchallengable because we committed a false start? I know the flag gets thrown when the ball is snapped, and the ball was never snapped
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Still love your avatar. Wish McNair would have bought the rights to the name, logo and colors.
On a false start, the flag is thrown when the O-lineman moves out of his stance. The play is blown dead right then, snap or not.
ColeThornton
Waterboy
On the program today they even read the rule and it specifically said it could be challenged even if there was another penalty. It was 610, it sounded to me like they were trying everything they could to make an excuse for OB but couldn't do it. They even commented how bad it looked after what happened Sunday.
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Shishkabob
All Pro
Yea i know that hence why i said the ball was never snapped. They flag 12 men on the defense when the ball is snapped, we never let the ball get snapped because of the false start, so they never got penalized for 12 men on the field
Shishkabob
All Pro
another pre-snap penalty? I see it being able to be challeged if say a ref throws a flag on the offense for holding, then the defenses pre-snap penalty would precede the offensive penalty and wipe the holding out while still giving the offense a free 5 yards. However if the ref throws a flag for 12 men when the ball is snapped, and the ball itself was never technically snapped, because the refs blew it dead when we committed the false start. Therefore the penalty on them never actually occurred
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
full disclosure, I heard them when you did, they came back later and think actually he could not challenge because of the penalty. Anyway, would be good to know if BOB knows he can challenge 12 men without a penalty. I still am not clear if he knows the rule here
Bottom line, he is so busy being OC, he needs a better structure to do time management and challenges. I think he struggles to handle all the info flying at him, or gets bad info. For the first, I hire someone good with data and analytics to give me the best quick advice. For the second, get damn people who know the rules inside and out and are your eye in the sky. Go talk to the Astros, see how data can help before, during, and after
Bottom line, he is so busy being OC, he needs a better structure to do time management and challenges. I think he struggles to handle all the info flying at him, or gets bad info. For the first, I hire someone good with data and analytics to give me the best quick advice. For the second, get damn people who know the rules inside and out and are your eye in the sky. Go talk to the Astros, see how data can help before, during, and after
ColeThornton
Waterboy
The details are really irrelevant as far as O'Brien's acumen is concerned. If you hear the audio it sounds like he didn't know you could challenge too many men under any circumstance. Now give him a day to circle the wagons and formulate his damage control and tomorrow he may have a different story like he did Sunday to Monday on the "it isn't my job" gaff.
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O'Brien talked about analytics in one interview. He was kind of dismissive of it. He said something along the lines of it can't replace what you see and know
ColeThornton
Waterboy
Did you hear when they read the rule and it said another penalty didn't mattter? I just wonder if that was before or after what you heard.
ColeThornton
Waterboy
Well, Sunday he didn't see an incomplete pass and he didn't know he could challenge too many men on the field. He might do better with analytics than what he sees and knows.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
We tried RAC in the booth last year to help OBrien manage things like clock and TO's. Not too sure it helped.
But it sure screwed up a good defensive unit.
But it sure screwed up a good defensive unit.
ColeThornton
Waterboy
I just looked up the rule and it says-
"(g) Number of players on the field at the snap, even when a foul is not called."
"(g) Number of players on the field at the snap, even when a foul is not called."
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Naturally I’ve calmed down since Sunday. Thought about some past experiences and observations. It’s a long season. Teams can get better in season. It was just Game 1.
They didn’t look “awful”. There were good aspects and things that can be cleaned up. Watson can play better. Sucks that it came due to concussion but kjo being out is addition by subtraction. Watt got the juices flowing. We’ll be getting fuller back. Young tackles saw their first NFL game...need to make big time adjustments. Running game was good.
I’m still not an OB fan, but this is still a young season. He’s got 15 (hopefully more) games to prove me wrong.
They didn’t look “awful”. There were good aspects and things that can be cleaned up. Watson can play better. Sucks that it came due to concussion but kjo being out is addition by subtraction. Watt got the juices flowing. We’ll be getting fuller back. Young tackles saw their first NFL game...need to make big time adjustments. Running game was good.
I’m still not an OB fan, but this is still a young season. He’s got 15 (hopefully more) games to prove me wrong.
Shishkabob
All Pro
so there was no penalty because the ball was never snapped like I said. you cant challenge it because it never occurred
ColeThornton
Waterboy
That makes sense as the defense has until the ball is snapped to get guys off the field, but like I said as far as O'Brien is concerned he sounded like he didn't know you could ever challenge too many men on the field. Of course he may sound differently tomorrow if asked about it again. The guys on 610 came to the same conclusion as one of them said and I'm paraphrasing, that's a really bad look after what happened Sunday.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
610 came back later and corrected their stance and said it was not challengable.
BOBdaFRAUD
Waterboy
The dirty refs will give us some flags and calls against the Tacks then screw us royally against a preferred team.
These refs are so nasty
These refs are so nasty
Texansballer74
The Marine
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
If the Texans hire an offensive coordinator I want it to be a young and upcoming guy from the college ranks. So tired of all the same old recycled NFL OC's making the rounds every off-season.
Although I'd have been okay giving Todd Haley a chance before the Browns hired him back in January. He'd have clashed with O'Brien but that may have been a good thing. LOL. If nothing else it would have been entertaining to watch.
What I want the most is a better offensive lines coach.
Mike Devlin hasn't impressed me since he's been here.
A few of the guys we let go have become Pro Bowlers on other teams.
Although I'd have been okay giving Todd Haley a chance before the Browns hired him back in January. He'd have clashed with O'Brien but that may have been a good thing. LOL. If nothing else it would have been entertaining to watch.
What I want the most is a better offensive lines coach.
Mike Devlin hasn't impressed me since he's been here.
A few of the guys we let go have become Pro Bowlers on other teams.
Shishkabob
All Pro
I actually wouldn't mind our qb coach, sean Ryan, becoming our OC. He helped develop the offense we ran last year with Watson, he is still young for a coach at 46 and I think he has good football IQ
austins23
Hall of Fame
http://www.footballzebras.com/2018/...too-late-and-finger-pointing-is-off-the-mark/
Referee Tony Corrente, in a postgame interview with a pool reporter, said there was a delay with the replay command post at NFL headquarters in New York. When asked who was responsible for initiating the replay review, Corrente said, “It is New York. The situation was that New York did get back to us. However, unfortunately, they didn’t get to the game officials on the field until after the play had already started.”
That is partially correct. According to a league source who is familiar with the replay operations, “Corrente described the procedure incorrectly.”
Rule 15-2-2 explains the replay procedure after the two-minute warning thusly, with newly added language underlined:
A Replay Review will be initiated by a member of the Officiating department from a location in the League office or a Replay Official from a Replay Booth
If Corrente is correct that it was a call from New York to review the play, it means that Corrente’s replay official, Lou Nazzaro, was remiss in initiating a review before the next snap. Corrente adds, “They got to us on the field, but the play had already developed. It had started.” At the point where there is a legal snap, replay cannot change any aspect of the previous play, no matter how egregious the error may be.
In this case, there is enough for replay to at least take another look.
Pretty good article on what happened during the Gronk catch/no-catch on Sunday.
Referee Tony Corrente, in a postgame interview with a pool reporter, said there was a delay with the replay command post at NFL headquarters in New York. When asked who was responsible for initiating the replay review, Corrente said, “It is New York. The situation was that New York did get back to us. However, unfortunately, they didn’t get to the game officials on the field until after the play had already started.”
That is partially correct. According to a league source who is familiar with the replay operations, “Corrente described the procedure incorrectly.”
Rule 15-2-2 explains the replay procedure after the two-minute warning thusly, with newly added language underlined:
A Replay Review will be initiated by a member of the Officiating department from a location in the League office or a Replay Official from a Replay Booth
If Corrente is correct that it was a call from New York to review the play, it means that Corrente’s replay official, Lou Nazzaro, was remiss in initiating a review before the next snap. Corrente adds, “They got to us on the field, but the play had already developed. It had started.” At the point where there is a legal snap, replay cannot change any aspect of the previous play, no matter how egregious the error may be.
In this case, there is enough for replay to at least take another look.
Pretty good article on what happened during the Gronk catch/no-catch on Sunday.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
Tony Frickin Romo was as puzzled by some of BO'B decisions as we all were. Tony pointed out the obvious just as we have. We stand no chance as long as BO'B continues to run the offense.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Sure we stand a chance, as usual we can beat the bad teams, but lose most of the time to the good teams. It's our fate as long as OB is the offensive coordinator.
Shishkabob
All Pro
Yea 13-28 against teams .500 or better doesn't instill a lot of confidence.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
is this correct? holy bleep.
usernameJJ
Waterboy
I've said this a hundred times myself. If you switch Romo and BOB, we win this game. The thing is, he didn't just question his clock management and his TO's but his play-calling in obvious situations. He was as puzzled as I was
usernameJJ
Waterboy
I love your Avatar! Made me Laugh out Loud, haha! Buttchin has to go
Shishkabob
All Pro
well actually 13-29 if the patriots finish above .500 which we all expect them too
Shishkabob
All Pro
Doesn't bother me as much as quitting on your team and punting with over 4 minutes to goO'B is here to stay because we have an owner that won't do anything unless we go 2-14.
He should have been way more prepared than what we saw on Sunday. The whole "it's not my job to call a timeout" still irks me.
It bothers me because you would think he would have learned by now. It happened last year with Seattle and the Pats. There are certain qb's you don't let them rush to the line to call a quick play and Brady is on the top of that list.