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Obrien be gone

Seegara said:
Kirk Bohls, the chief sports columnist for the Austin American, came right out and wrote that he'd fire both Jason Garrett and Bill O'Brien. We jolly well better win this 2nd game because another 4 win season will see the green vomit that calls itself a coach get fired. I think it should happen before season's end. Urban Myers must resent the shabby treatment he got from Ohio State and I imagine he would be happy to pay them back and leave for the Texans in mid season.
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Didn't we get the current HC from the "college ranks"..? You want to repeat that mistake?
 
ObsiWan said:
Didn't we get the current HC from the "college ranks"..? You want to repeat that mistake?
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The top college coaches have generally succeeded when hired into the NFL. Pete Caroll, Jim Harbaugh,... Urban Myers is one of the top ones. BoB was not.
 
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Seegara said:
Kirk Bohls, the chief sports columnist for the Austin American, came right out and wrote that he'd fire both Jason Garrett and Bill O'Brien. We jolly well better win this 2nd game because another 4 win season will see the green vomit that calls itself a coach get fired. I think it should happen before season's end. Urban Myers must resent the shabby treatment he got from Ohio State and I imagine he would be happy to pay them back and leave for the Texans in mid season.
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F to the NO!
 
Seegara said:
The top college coaches have generally succeeded when hired into the NFL. Pete Caroll, John Harbaugh,... Urban Myers is one of the top ones. BoB was not.
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Nick Saben..Lou Holtz, Chip Kelly.. and your choice of Pete Carroll to start a few.

BTW John Harbaugh is highly questionable at both levels now.

**** no to Urban Meyer.

I'd roll with a guy who's actually had success at this level and not while coaching the GOAT...for the other GOAT.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Nick Saben..Lou Holtz, Chip Kelly.. and your choice of Pete Carroll to start a few.

BTW John Harbaugh is highly questionable at both levels now.

**** no to Urban Meyer.

I'd roll with a guy who's actually had success at this level and not while coaching the GOAT...for the other GOAT.
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Don't forget 'the ol' ball' coach, Steve Spurrier. And Bobby Petrino who got run out of Atlanta before he finished a season. Then there's Dennis Erickson who failed twice (Seattle, 49ers).
TheKDog said:
Ok so no Urban Myers, but how about Urban Meyer?
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Too much dirty laundry, I doubt McNair would approve that hire.
 
Don't forget, there was Jimmy Johnson and one amazing trade of Hershal Walker that gave him the tools to make the Cowboys a short-term dynasty or until Jerry Jones decided he could do it better.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Don't forget, there was Jimmy Johnson and one amazing trade of Hershal Walker that gave him the tools to make the Cowboys a short-term dynasty or until Jerry Jones decided he could do it better.
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Okay, one success against the 7 fails (8 if you count Erickson's fails individually) listed by Carr Bombed and me.
The odds say don't do it.
 
ObsiWan said:
Okay, one success against the 7 fails (8 if you count Erickson's fails individually) listed by Carr Bombed and me.
The odds say don't do it.
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I also think a lot of what makes Meyer's good in the college game is what makes Saban really good as well, and that's recruiting. He is normally playing with a lot more talented players than his opponent, not saying he isn't a good coach, but he won't have the same advantage in the pros
 
DocBar said:
I don't think the franchise awards mediocrity as much as it disdains change for the sake of change. The best franchises in the NFL have a record of changing HC/GMs the least. I firmly believe that McNair wants to build a winner. I also firmly believe that the current economic environment makes it so painless to field a winner that it is easier to hang onto a HC/GM than in different eras.
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I do not doubt that the owners want to win. Both as a matter of business prosperity and just simple pride.

But, I also do not doubt their history of rewarding mediocrity.

Charlie Casserly

David Carr

Gary Kubiak

Rick Smith

Bill O'Brien

And most likely JD Clowney.

These are just the top of my head.

The owners are risk averse. Like you eluded to, they would rather "play it safe" than take a chance on hiring new leadership, especially when they are not very good at understanding and analyzing what they are hearing, seeing, and eventually hiring.

The Texans have a dynamic talent in Deshaun Watson. There are many OCs that could do wonders with his various skills, especially at this point in his career.

But, they go back - long term - with Bill O'Brien, who is clearly in over his head and has one of the blandest offensive schemes I've ever seen.

And a head coach repeating the "shake the rust off" over and over is utter bullshit. That's what preseason is supposed to be about, but no, let's PLAY IT SAFE and not actually use the preseason for its original intent - i.e. "shaking the rust off" and getting ready to play regular season in week 1.

Wanting to win and actually knowing how to do it consistently are two different things. I do not doubt the former, but I have serious doubts about the latter based on franchise history.
 
OOOF .. DB cmon baby .. JDC mediocre? OUCH! I mean when did pro bowls and all pro selections become average? Harsh my dude. Agree with everything else though.
 
Reality check. I read a post saying we get rid of BOB if we lose game 2. Come on they extended him for 4 years, and agree they would cut bait early, but egads. I think we need a competent OC that is allowed to run what he deems appropriate. If I was owner, I may force that down BOB's throat if game 2 looks as pathetic. I was optimistic at the kool aid I drank last year when DW4 and BOB had it going on and were whipping up the next level sh!t for this year. So if riding with BOB, get the offense going, or get a competent OC, eyes in the sky that can help you game manage and such. You are not getting better, so expand the team around you for your deficencies like a good exec would do.

PS, watching the all 22's, the scheme did produce a good running game and plenty of open receivers. DW4 had a bad day on the field, BOB had a bad day in game management. Shake it off now boys
 
I just want to see the fiasco when this thing goes south.

BOB lacks the ability to get his team prepared, make adjustments or make players play above their talent level.

Losing to the the Titans and going 0-2 would get the meat grinder churning.

BOB a good guy and all. I don't think were losing to the titans, but the man is way over his head.
 
Does anyone have any inside kin’s that can put in a word to fire that sumbetch that thinks he’s an NFL HC and gore a REAL HC and offensive coordinator? This idiot can’t do either job, let alone both simultaneously!
 
Dom Capers...proven successful NFL HC..failed here.

Gary Kubiak..proven successful NFL OC, home town kid...failed here.

BOB..hottest HC prospect when we picked him up..appears to be failing.

There is no formula for picking a HC..
 
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Mr teX said:
Dom Capers...proven successful NFL HC..failed here.

Gary Kubiak..proven successful NFL OC, home town kid...failed here.

BOB..hottest HC prospect when we picked him up..appears to be failing.

There is no formula for picking a HC..
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I don't think OBrien was a hot prospect. The media bought his spin for some reason. This is a guy who couldn't stick at OC at new england so he took a horrible job at Penn State.

I also think Kubiak was a success and until Rick Smith's backstabbed him
 
TheKDog said:
I don't think OBrien was a hot prospect. The media bought his spin for some reason. This is a guy who couldn't stick at OC at new england so hr took a horrible job at Penn State.

I also think Kubiak was a success and until Rick Smith's backstabbed him
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He was..people saw what he was able to do at Penn State the year after all their controversy..he had clout coming from NE..he was a hot coaching prospect.
 
Mr teX said:
He was..people saw what he was able to do at Penn State the year after all their controversy..he had clout coming from NE..he was a hot coaching prospect.
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Penn State won with defense at that time. The offense was mediocre.

We also heard last year that if O'Brien was fired he'd be the hottest prospect and would instantly get a job. It's BS.
 
TheKDog said:
I don't think OBrien was a hot prospect. The media bought his spin for some reason. This is a guy who couldn't stick at OC at new england so he took a horrible job at Penn State.

I also think Kubiak was a success and until Rick Smith's backstabbed him
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He was a success...until he wasn’t. It wasn’t Smith who ran him outta town it was his health and fans here....booing at home games and ****.
 
TheKDog said:
Penn State won with defense at that time. The offense was mediocre.

We also heard last year that if O'Brien was fired he'd be the hottest prospect and would instantly get a job. It's BS.
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He would..u saying it’s BS doesn’t change that. Think Buffalo doesn’t want a new HC right now?
 
Mr teX said:
He was a success...until he wasn’t. It wasn’t Smith who ran him outta town it was his health and fans here....booing at home games and ****.
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Gary was run out of town because he hitched his wagon to Schaub even though Schaub was trash. He won in Denver because he lucked into Manning.

I agree that he would do wonders with Watson, but it doesn't matter at this point
 
Mr teX said:
He would..u saying it’s BS doesn’t change that. Think Buffalo doesn’t want a new HC right now?
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I just think teams knew about all the weaknesses of Obrien that are so obvious now. The NFL isn't stupid (outside of McNair and obrien)
 
amazing80 said:
Gary was run out of town because he hitched his wagon to Schaub even though Schaub was trash. He won in Denver because he lucked into Manning.

I agree that he would do wonders with Watson, but it doesn't matter at this point
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Rick overruled Kubiak on the Schaub extension. Kubiak wanted to wait.

It was a power play and then he fired Kubiak over Schaub in a backstab move.
 
amazing80 said:
Gary was run out of town because he hitched his wagon to Schaub even though Schaub was trash. He won in Denver because he lucked into Manning.

I agree that he would do wonders with Watson, but it doesn't matter at this point
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However u want to see it, Gary was run out of town b/c fans thought he was everything that they’re calling BoB now. Hell u had fans here actually calling this dude a ***** b/c he didn’t look at FGs lol.
 
Mr teX said:
However u want to see it, Gary was run out of town b/c fans thought he was everything that they’re calling BoB now. Hell u had fans here actually calling this dude a ***** b/c he didn’t look at FGs lol.
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Well, that is a ***** move....he was weak. Just like our teams that played for him were
 
TheKDog said:
I just think teams knew about all the weaknesses of Obrien that are so obvious now. The NFL isn't stupid (outside of McNair and obrien)
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You’re really gonna say that in the face of all the crap that’s been going on with the league the last 2-3 years?

Furthermore, teams make “trendy” hires all the time that don’t workout, signed the browns for the last 15-20 years.
 
Mr teX said:
You’re really gonna say that in the face of all the crap that’s been going on with the league the last 2-3 years?

Furthermore, teams make “trendy” hires all the time that don’t workout, signed the browns for the last 15-20 years.
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Ok maybe not. Buffalo is dumb I agree.
 
EVOLVIST said:
I think you've just got illuminated that Bob McNair is the issue.
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You guys don’t understand that winning in the NFL consistently is hard. None of these owners really know what’s going on, they just catch lightning in a bottle most times.

People see NE & think that shits the norm and it ain’t. McNair isn’t really doing any different that the winning franchise owners are doing. But u guys need something to hang your hat on.
 
Mr teX said:
You guys don’t understand that winning in the NFL consistently is hard. None of these owners really know what’s going on, they just catch lightning in a bottle most times.

People see NE & think that shits the norm and it ain’t. McNair isn’t really doing any different that the winning franchise owners are doing. But u guys need something to hang your hat on.
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Maybe I don't need to hang my hat on anything. It's all folly: grown men pontificating over stuff that we have no control over.
 
TheKDog said:
Penn State won with defense at that time. The offense was mediocre.

We also heard last year that if O'Brien was fired he'd be the hottest prospect and would instantly get a job. It's BS.
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People use to say the same thing about Jeff Fisher. Once he left the Titans and got exposed with Rams, everyone realized he was a very mediocre coach who was very good with the national media.
 
Some owners are more successful than others. It’s not all their fault though. Some have it and some do not.
 
Uncle Rico said:
OOOF .. DB cmon baby .. JDC mediocre? OUCH! I mean when did pro bowls and all pro selections become average? Harsh my dude. Agree with everything else though.
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ha! :D I just saw your reply. I should clarify that my comment was in context of the projections that he will be the highest paid defensive player in the NFL next spring. He's obviously not a JAG, but I do not perceive him as HoF worthy, either.

Besides, I'd rather see them spend that same money on protecting our boy Watson and giving him more weapons. Finally have a so-called "franchise QB", and I want this franchise to treat him like it.

EVOLVIST said:
Maybe I don't need to hang my hat on anything. It's all folly: grown men pontificating over stuff that we have no control over.
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Well, you just described the entire premise of sports fans around the world! We could always argue about, y'know, Star Wars or something. . . :ahhaha:
 
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