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NFL Future Power Rankings: Projecting the next three seasons
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#15 TEXANS

Why they're here: These rankings are now a reflection of merely what we saw in 2017, but that season showed us a glimpse of what could be. Deshaun Watson has the look of a future All-Pro despite an injury-shortened rookie campaign, and devastating injuries impacted the defense as well. However, the Texans' roster still has questions along the offensive line and -- by no fault of its own -- the new-look front office led by Brian Gaine has yet to make a draft pick of major consequence (Houston didn't have a first- or second-round pick in 2018). The evaluation of Gaine's skills continues. -- Yates

Biggest worry: A year ago, it was about whether or not they picked the right QB in Watson and if they could develop him. Now that we all know the answer was a resounding yes, it is all about this team staying healthy going forward. Watson, Will Fuller V, J.J. Watt, Whitney Mercilus, Jadeveon Clowney and Tyrann Mathieu have all dealt with significant injuries at different points in their respective careers. If these key players can stay on the field, the Texans will challenge the Jaguars for the AFC South crown. If not, it is going to be a big rebuild for Gaine as he restocks this roster. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: The Texans ranked 25th in the category for front office, their lowest ranking in any category. There isn't much to go on at this point because Gaine has been in place only since January. The team does finally have a coach and GM who appear to be in sync, however, and that gives Houston a good shot at outperforming expectations longer term. -- Sando




 
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1 EAGLES
Why they're here: The Eagles not only have arguably the best long-term plan at quarterback in the NFL in Carson Wentz, but also there is short-term security with Nick Foles. Oh, by the way, a significant core of this roster is locked up for the foreseeable future thanks to the aggressive mindset of executive vice president of football operations/GM Howie Roseman: Wentz, Alshon Jeffery, Zach Ertz, Lane Johnson, Malcolm Jenkins, Jason Kelce, Brandon Brooks, Fletcher Cox, Derek Barnett and Rodney McLeod are among those signed through 2020. -- Yates

Biggest worry: There isn't much that I don't like about the long-term future of this team. The consequences of success are what concerns me the most, particularly when it comes to coaches leaving for bigger roles and more responsibility with other teams. We saw it happen this offseason with OC Frank Reich becoming a head coach, and quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo becoming the OC in Minnesota. Having a succession plan will be critical in cases such as this in order to maintain what is a championship culture. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: The Eagles ranked in the NFL's top three across every category, so it might be unrealistic for Philly to exceed expectations. But what if 2017 second-round pick Sidney Jones became a shutdown corner after recovering from a torn Achilles tendon? The talent would seem to be there. If it happened, the Eagles could get massive value from a position where all their top players are playing on lower-priced rookie deals. -- Sando


2 PATS
Why they're here: In a league that is set up to mitigate competitive advantages through a hard salary cap, extensive roster turnover and other dynamics, the Patriots have been the model of organizational success in team sports for close to 20 years. Unified vision and direction permeate the organization, with an emphasis on development -- not just player development, either. Bill Belichick takes immense pride in developing his coaches and the (underrated) front office, which is orchestrated by Nick Caserio. -- Yates

Biggest worry: It's all about timing when it comes to what worries me and everyone else about the Patriots' outlook. When will Tom Brady's skills start to diminish, and when will Belichick say he has had enough and is unwilling to commit to the work necessary to win at the level he has won at for 17 years in a row? While I believe the Patriot Way is its own self-sustaining thing now, and is something that will last long after Bill and Tom are gone, their eventual departure will cause major uncertainty when the time actually comes. Until then, it will be business as usual. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: The Patriots' projection is surprisingly optimistic, at least in my opinion, given the uncertainty over how long Belichick and Tom Brady will remain together in New England. The draft is one area in which the Patriots could improve in order to beat the already lofty expectations this analysis carries for them. -- Sando


3 SAINTS
Why they're here: A decade-plus of offensive success has become the identity of the Saints franchise, with Drew Brees and Sean Payton at the epicenter of it all. But in the latest bit of evidence that one offseason can change an outlook dramatically, the Saints had what could go down as a historically good draft class in 2017, landing blue-chip talent in Marshon Lattimore, Alvin Kamara, Ryan Ramczyk and Marcus Williams. That grand slam pivoted the franchise's fortunes. -- Yates

Biggest worry: We are in a golden age of QB play in the NFL, and Brees has been as good as any other passer in the history of this great game. Ever. But the fact remains that he won't play forever, and there are rumblings seemingly every year that coach Sean Payton could be looking to move on. I love this roster and how it is put together, but the departure of either one of these two men could throw what looks like a franchise built for long-term success into a tailspin. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: There's very good young talent on the roster thanks largely to the Saints' sensational 2017 draft. The Saints can outperform our expectations if they can hit another home run or two in the draft. That will be tougher to do after the team traded away its 2019 first-round pick to move up to select Marcus Davenport. -- Sando


4 VIKINGS
Why they're here: There are elusive positions on an NFL defense, led by pass-rushers and cornerbacks. The Vikings -- guided by GM Rick Spielman and head coach Mike Zimmer -- have done an impressive job of identifying those positions through both the draft and free agency. Cornerstone players are in place on all levels of the defense, with a home-grown nucleus that includes Xavier Rhodes, Harrison Smith, Eric Kendricks, Anthony Barr, Danielle Hunter and Everson Griffen. -- Yates

Biggest worry: This one is easy. Kirk Cousins. Is he or isn't he worth the investment that the Vikings made in him, because as I see it, he must be the difference between being a contender and winning it all. I'm not a believer, and maybe I am not giving him enough credit for his play in Washington, but we will know very soon on this one. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: Some think Cousins is an average or slightly better than average starting quarterback. While Minnesota has the talent to contend even if Cousins is near average, the Vikings need their $84 million man to be an upper-tier quarterback to beat our projection for the future (we ranked the Vikings among the top five in every category but quarterback, where we had them 17th). -- Sando


5 STEELERS
Why they're here: Organizational stability counts when projecting forward, with the Steelers representing one of the steadiest franchises in all of sports, counting just one losing season this millennium. The team has also employed just three head coaches since 1969, showing a dedication to its sideline leaders that has yielded plenty of wins. While the future of Ben Roethlisberger could be year-to-year (he has changed his tune on the possibility of retirement on a few occasions), the organization is set up to sustain success. -- Yates

Biggest worry: The coaching changes were made on offense, but what about the defense? That's the side of the ball that concerns me most. The Steelers are vulnerable up the middle against the run, and they still cannot be trusted to prevent big plays in the passing game when they need it the most. Guys like Joe Haden and Artie Burns must be better, and surprise first-round pick Terrell Edmunds needs to come up big right away. It is defense that has kept this team from knocking the Patriots off the top of the AFC mountain, and I am concerned that that will continue to be the case. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: Mason Rudolph could emerge during the next couple of preseasons as a viable successor for Roethlisberger. That would certainly improve the Steelers' long-term outlook, although Roethlisberger is still among the NFL's best at age 36. -- Sando


6 FALCONS
Why they're here: While the NFL is an ever-evolving league, the Falcons have what many would consider a very modern collection of talent on their roster: linebackers with exceptional speed, depth along the defensive front, a two-headed backfield, a versatile corps of receivers, depth in the secondary and, of course, a blue-chip quarterback. GM Thomas Dimitroff and his experienced front office have landed coups in recent drafts (Deion Jones, Grady Jarrett, Vic Beasley, Takk McKinley and Keanu Neal among them) to balance a roster full of veterans in their prime. -- Yates

Biggest worry: I still have concerns about the offensive side of the ball in terms of the Falcons' ability to consistently find that championship chemistry and rhythm that needs to exist between the playcaller and the quarterback and offense as a whole. Now that Matt Ryan has his money, Julio Jones wants his too, and keeping the wideout happy and dialed-in has to be a concern for the organization going forward, especially if it does not intend to rework his contract that still has three years remaining on it. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: Continued development of the coaching staff is one variable that could determine whether a well-constructed Falcons team reaches its potential. Coach Dan Quinn has gone all-in with coordinators Steve Sarkisian and Marquand Manuel. Staff development is obviously important to him. Will Atlanta realize the payoff? -- Sando


7 RAMS
Why they're here: When your quarterback is an established player but still on a rookie contract, it's time to strike. The Rams have done exactly that, acquiring a litany of Pro Bowl-caliber talent this offseason to augment a roster already filled with dominant players such as Aaron Donald and Todd Gurley. Coach Sean McVay will soon establish himself as one of the league's best (he's rapidly on the track), which matters in a major way, as finding a way to fit all of the top-tier talent under the salary cap will be a chore for L.A. -- Yates

Biggest worry: Rarely do all-in approaches to unrestricted free agency turn out the way you plan them when it comes to professional football. Having personally been through this kind of thing, I speak from experience. McVay will have to be the best version of himself in order to handle a roster that has some of the most "explosive" personalities in the NFL on it, particularly on defense, and I don't mean that in a universally good way. If the Rams win early and often, all will be well. If they start to lose and expectations are not met, this could turn very ugly in a hurry. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: It's hard to envision the Rams being better in actuality than they appear on paper after collecting high-profile veterans such as Marcus Peters, Aqib Talib, Ndamukong Suh and Brandin Cooks. But if the Rams are to outperform already high expectations, it'll likely be because quarterback Jared Goff takes another giant step forward in his development. Goff does seem to have the talent to make that happen. -- Sando


8 PACKERS
Why they're here: The Packers had to experience life without Aaron Rodgers for much of the 2017 season, a humbling reminder of some of the roster limitations Green Bay had on defense. But with Rodgers healthy, there is no more valuable roster piece in the league for the next three seasons -- period -- especially when a pen goes to paper for a presumptive extension to the current deal he has that lasts for two more years. -- Yates

Biggest worry: It's all about the coaching going forward with this team, specifically at the coordinator level. Joe Philbin will oversee the offense, and Mike Pettine will now oversee the defense. Both coaches have some significant assets to work with, with TE Jimmy Graham added to an already explosive offense, and cornerbacks being drafted in the first two rounds to help Pettine play the style of defense he wants to play. Development and utilization are what will make or break this team over the next three years. The pressure is on Philbin and Pettine. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: If new GM Brian Gutekunst can draft well enough to restock a defense that ranked last in ESPN's efficiency metric last season, the Packers can achieve the balance they need to maximize their championship window with Rodgers. Green Bay ranked 20th in drafting by our analysis, its lowest ranking in any category. -- Sando


9 CHARGERS
Why they're here: The art of "not quite" has been an all-too-familiar theme for the Chargers. The roster has had talent in key pieces that persist today: a quarterback, dynamic pass-rush duo and exceptional secondary. But effective execution on the field in clutch moments has been elusive. That said, a strong 2018 -- starting with a postseason appearance -- will go a long way in Los Angeles, as the Chargers feel like a team ready to make a leap on this list, despite the fact that Philip Rivers is 36. He has shown no signs of regression. -- Yates

Biggest worry: Although RB Melvin Gordon had his best year as a pro in 2017 in terms of total rushing yards as well as receptions and reception yards, he still averaged just 3.9 yards per carry. As a team, the Chargers have been in the bottom quarter of the league in rushing yards per game and per-carry average for years now, and they need to get this corrected so they can play a more balanced style of football when necessary and win the close games. If the investments that they have made along the offensive line via the draft and free agency do not pan out, it will be more unmet expectations for this team. If they do, this will be the new beast in the AFC West. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: Is Anthony Lynn a first-rate head coach? Will he grow into one? There's not enough information to answer in the affirmative, which is why the Chargers ranked 21st in that area, the team's lowest ranking in any category. That variable and Rivers' staying power as an upper-tier quarterback could boost a Chargers team that otherwise appears close to contending. -- Sando


10 SEAHAWKS
Why they're here: There was a time when Seattle ranked much higher on this list, catalyzed by a balanced roster. Now, there are questions on both sides of the ball, with a suspect offensive line and a less recognizable secondary than the Legion of Boom. However, quarterback Russell Wilson profiles as a perennial MVP candidate, and there's a lot to believe in from a front office infrastructure standpoint. GM John Schneider is well regarded as a top evaluator of talent. -- Yates

Biggest worry: It is a total reboot in Seattle starting right beneath head coach Pete Carroll. New coordinators on both sides of the ball, the Legion of Boom is no more, the pass rush that carried this team to championship heights is not even close to being the same, and the offense is hoping that Rashaad Penny is something close to what the Seahawks had on the field with "Beast Mode" Marshawn Lynch. Reboots like this take time, and in a division loaded with teams that continue to improve, I am worried that Seattle is going to be passed by the competition. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: This all comes down to whether the Seahawks can recapture some of their past form when it comes to drafting and developing players. No team was better in that area over the first several years of this decade. Coach Pete Carroll and GM John Schneider must do it again to compensate for the fact they are now paying top dollar for their previously inexpensive quarterback. -- Sando
 
11 JAGS
Why they're here: We often fixate on front-line talent in sports for reasons that are implicit: superstars dazzle in ways that create lasting memories. But football is the ultimate team sport, and the layers of depth that the Jaguars have created on defense are remarkable, supplementing such stars as Jalen Ramsey, Calais Campbell, Telvin Smith and Myles Jack (among others). Ultimately, doubling down on Blake Bortles this offseason (he signed a three-year extension) is the reason Jacksonville checks in here, with Bortles still facing his share of critics. -- Yates

Biggest worry: Bortles was a concern last year, and continues to be a concern going forward. While executive vice president of football operations Tom Coughlin and coach Doug Marrone have done a tremendous job of implementing a run-first, play-action-focused offensive attack designed to produce more defined passing windows for Bortles, the fact remains that when teams know he is going to throw it (third down), and when the pressure is on (blitz), he is one of the worst QBs in the NFL in terms of passer rating, and that simply isn't going to be good enough for this team to take the next step. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: The defending AFC South champs need continued improvement from Bortles to brighten an already positive outlook. Jacksonville ranked last in quarterback outlook with Bortles earning $17.4 million per year on a depth chart featuring Cody Kessler and Tanner Lee behind him. -- Sando


12 PANTHERS
Why they're here: We witnessed the apex of this franchise when it steamrollered to an appearance in the Super Bowl in the 2015 NFL season. While much has changed from that roster, a nucleus of the best players from that team, including Cam Newton, Luke Kuechly, Thomas Davis, Greg Olsen and Ryan Kalil, remains. There's a steady balance to this roster, and Newton, when at his best, is about as difficult a quarterback to defend as there is. Quarterback consistency, playmaker development on offense and the secondary play will impact the outlook going forward. -- Yates

Biggest worry: Last season was supposed to be when Cam Newton didn't have to be all things at all times, meaning the franchise QB as well as the primary ball carrier. Well, that didn't happen, as he was second on the team in rush attempts and first in rush yards. Now the primary questions going forward are: Is Christian McCaffrey a franchise RB; and can new OC Norv Turner develop newcomers like first-round wide receiver DJ Moore and fourth-round tight end Ian Thomas into the kind of players who will take the pressure off of Cam, not add to it? -- Riddick

What could change for the better: The Panthers' front office remains in limbo while David Tepper's pending purchase of the team from Jerry Richardson plays out. Uncertainty in that critical area hurt Carolina in our analysis, but if the organization inspires confidence in that area heading into the season, the Panthers could be just fine. -- Sando


13 49ers
Why they're here: Everything shifted for the 49ers when the team acquired quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo, stabilizing the most important spot on the roster. Equal enthusiasm surrounds coach Kyle Shanahan, an offensive wizard who will maximize the talent at his disposal. Defensive questions persist for the moment, and while GM John Lynch has made some notable moves early on the job, there is still a larger sample needed for a better feel as to how he will stack up in his current position. -- Yates

Biggest worry: 49ers management solved the QB problem. The Niners knocked it out of the park, to be honest. Now what concerns me is the defensive side of the ball, specifically if they have enough prospects who can rush the passer or be developed into productive pass-rushers. The 49ers were 26th in sacks per pass attempt in 2017, and they could not get off the field on third down. Players like Solomon Thomas and Cassius Marsh have to pan out, and cornerback Richard Sherman has to come back better than ever. I have confidence in Sherman. I'm not so sure about the rest. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: We ranked the 49ers roughly among the NFL's bottom third for drafting and the front office, but that could be harsh when evaluating a team that landed Garoppolo for a second-round pick. The 49ers could take off if the still-unproven Lynch shows himself to be an excellent GM. -- Sando


14 CHIEFS
Why they're here: Few in the coaching ranks command as much respect as Andy Reid, who was inked to an extension last summer and continues to be the rock of the organization. The Chiefs are an intriguing team in this regard; we have a feel for the current roster limitations (defensive struggles will be expected this year), but much of the future rides on Patrick Mahomes' right arm. If he meets internal expectations, Kansas City will climb higher in these ranks next year. If he struggles, the narrative will shift. -- Yates

Biggest worry: The Mahomes era is here, and I am here for it! I have zero doubts that this young man will live up to the expectations and that the offense will be even more explosive in 2018. What I am concerned about is a defense that was soft up the middle, lacked a pass rush and had to get rid of its best coverage defender in order for the Chiefs to get "better" as a team in terms of chemistry and reliability. Yes, they will score a lot of points, but will they be able to stop anybody? -- Riddick

What could change for the better: We hedged our bets on Mahomes in this evaluation, leaving the Chiefs with a No. 18 ranking in that category. It's easy to envision a scenario whereby Mahomes meets or even exceeds the Chiefs' expectations for him. That would send Kansas City rocketing up in these rankings overall. -- Sando

16 TITANS
Why they're here: There is a lot to love about the Titans' outlook: a team flush with young investments on both sides of the ball, a healthy cap situation to invest in the roster appropriately going forward and a rock-solid GM in place. However, while Marcus Mariota has many of the tools to be successful, consistent production and his peak have not yet been reached. That's the goal for new coach Mike Vrabel and his offensive coordinator, Matt Lafleur. -- Yates

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Biggest worry: There is always optimism mixed with uncertainty when a new staff comes in. For Tennessee, it's all about LaFleur and his ability to connect with Mariota and take his development to the next level. Given the success that Sean McVay had immediately with Jared Goff in L.A., LaFleur will be expected to do the same with Mariota. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: If LaFleur can do for Mariota what McVay (and LaFleur) did for Goff, the Titans can make a big jump. Of course, Mariota also will need to stay healthy, which has been a problem for him so far. -- Sando

17 COWBOYS
Why they're here: The recipe for Dallas' success going forward is to mimic its 2016 season: Dominate with an All-Pro offensive line and running game, mitigating the number of plays a less-talented defense has to play. Some questions arose from Dak Prescott's uneven sophomore season, but we collectively believe in the player going forward. A coach is judged by his wins and losses: Jason Garrett has led the Cowboys to three winning seasons and just one playoff victory in seven full years. -- Yates

Biggest worry: Production along the defensive line worried me in 2017, because I didn't trust DeMarcus Lawrence's ability to be consistent. He delivered a career year in 2017 in terms of tackles, sacks and QB hits, but Dallas is still reluctant to commit to him long-term. Offensively, I don't believe the Cowboys have the firepower on the perimeter at wide receiver and tight end that will allow Prescott to shine as bright as they need him to. Lastly, is this coaching staff good enough to make up for some of the holes in the roster? I don't see that as being the case. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: The Cowboys can exceed our expectations to the extent Prescott exceeds our expectations. We ranked the Cowboys' quarterback outlook 12th in the league, which indicates that we think Prescott is good. Can the third-year quarterback be better than good? Can he lift up his teammates, or is it still more the other way around? Prescott taking the next step is the clearest way for Dallas to climb. -- Sando


18 LIONS
Why they're here: There might be some football followers who take Matthew Stafford for granted, but not here. He's tremendous, and that is reflected in our confidence. The rest of the roster will continue to be built by a general manager who has been on the job for just about 18 months plus a coach hired this offseason, so there's projection involved. The task for Bob Quinn and Matt Patricia is to translate the harmony they have regarding how to build a roster to player acquisitions that can contribute in short order. The foundation is being set. -- Yates

Biggest worry: The questions remain the same for me when it comes to the Lions: Do they have enough balance on offense to play a true complementary brand of football that will take pressure off Stafford, keep the defense off of the field more, and allow the team to adapt from week to week and do what it has to do to win games (The Patriot Way, anyone)? I like how they committed draft assets designed to improve the run game (second-round running back Kerryon Johnson in particular), and they need to make a difference. Immediately. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: The Lions' front office and new coach aren't getting the benefit of the doubt in this analysis. The outlook will improve if the Lions can demonstrate an ability to draft and develop players effectively. They need to get help for Stafford, and that is the most cost-effective way to do it. -- Sando


19 RAVENS
Why they're here: GM Ozzie Newsome will leave his post after this season and hand the keys to Eric Decosta, who is well regarded. But losing Newsome is unquestionably a blow to this steady organization. The final first-round pick Newsome made, Lamar Jackson, will define the future of this team. Jackson slid to pick No. 32, with some evaluators not sold on his long-term ability as a starter. We could find out about that as soon as the 2019 season. -- Yates

Biggest worry: Offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg answered my question last year about if he would commit to running the football when it is in the best interest of the team. He will. Now, the concern is if he can deliver the goods as far as getting all of the new offensive weapons that have been acquired in 2018 on the same page, and produce yardage in chunks far superior to the 4.64 yards per play that the team produced offensively in 2017. If he can, this team is dangerous. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: The Ravens' outlook at quarterback is the variable that will determine the trajectory for this organization. The team has gone 40-40 since re-signing Joe Flacco to an expensive contract extension following the Ravens' Super Bowl victory over San Francisco. If Jackson can develop quickly, Baltimore could again benefit from having a young, inexpensive quarterback. -- Sando


 
20 BRONCOS
Why they're here: The future of coach Vance Joseph was in doubt near the end of the 2017 season, and while he will return for 2018, it's fair to wonder if he is viewed internally as the sure-fire long-term option. With premium pass-rushers and an excellent defensive nucleus, Denver doesn't necessarily need Pro Bowl quarterback play from Case Keenum to return to the playoffs. He provided it in Minnesota last season, though. Can he maintain his performance going forward? -- Yates

Biggest worry: I had two real concerns with this team heading into 2017 and beyond: QB Paxton Lynch and the offensive line. Well, it's game over for Lynch as far as his being the future in Denver, and the OL is still a big question mark. For 2018 and beyond, the primary concern is the status and standing of Joseph and if he truly is John Elway's man of the future. How Keenum produces, and if the defense can be a dominant force to propel the Broncos to a conference championship once again, is ultimately going to be how Joseph will be judged. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: We graded the Broncos' coaching outlook as the NFL's fifth-worst heading into Joseph's second season, but what are we basing that on? A case can be made that Denver's quarterback play was so bad last season -- the Broncos' 31.1 Total QBR ranked 363rd out of 384 teams since 2006 -- that it distorted our view of the organization as a whole. In that case, even average play from Keenum could quickly recast the Broncos as an upper-tier team. -- Sando


21 BUCS
Why they're here: GM Jason Licht is resourceful and aggressive, putting together a roster that has an infusion of youth. The most important piece of the roster is quarterback Jameis Winston, paired with coach Dirk Koetter, who was elevated from a coordinator role in part because of their chemistry. Koetter hasn't distinguished himself from a player development standpoint in two years on the job, and Winston -- who will miss the first three games of this season due to suspension -- must make strides. -- Yates

Biggest worry: Winston has thrown this team into a state of uncertainty in a way that I thought was behind him when we did this exercise a year ago. I no longer would want him as the face of the franchise if I was GM in Tampa, and it isn't because he can't play at a high level. I think he can be one of the best in the NFL. I just don't trust him, and I don't know how the Buccaneers' front office can, either. I see this position looking very different in the near future as far as who is the man behind center long-term. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: Winston maturing on and off the field is the one variable that could influence the Buccaneers' trajectory most dramatically. The problem is, Winston will only become more expensive from a salary-cap standpoint, which will restrict the team's ability to build around him. That means Winston must take a huge step forward. -- Sando


22 COLTS
Why they're here: There really isn't any mystery surrounding the two areas of concern for Indy in our rankings: the health of Andrew Luck and the need to beef up the roster around him. But we believe in the front office and coaching staff who are working in lockstep with an understanding of patience. This is going to take time. But the rebuild will be expedited by Luck's health, plus a far better pipeline of talent elsewhere through improved drafting compared to that of former GM Ryan Grigson. -- Yates

Biggest worry: I am still a believer in GM Chris Ballard in terms of his philosophy as it relates to roster construction, but there need to be significant contributions on the horizon from his recent roster additions, specifically those added through the draft. Ballard has drafted 19 players in the past two seasons, and a significant number of them must become impact players if the Colts are to become a force in the AFC South once again. Add in the fact that there is a new head coach for 2018 in Frank Reich, and you have a significant amount of uncertainty going forward with this organization. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: The Colts simply need Luck to regain his health and past form. No one knows whether that will happen or how quickly it might happen, which is why Indy's quarterback situation ranked only 18th in our analysis. But if Luck does bounce back, the Colts will rise quickly. -- Sando


23 RAIDERS
Why they're here: Much of the Raiders' approach to this offseason -- which will lay the foundation for the next few years under new coach Jon Gruden -- has skewed toward older veterans. Among the issues with that approach is that since a borderline historic 2014 draft class, the Raiders have largely whiffed in the draft. There simply needs to be more production from players on rookie contracts, with the team having already paid Derek Carr and likely soon to pay Khalil Mack, which impacts the overall salary-cap situation. -- Yates

Biggest worry: Big bets were made by Gruden and GM Reggie McKenzie on players who had either an injury history or character concerns in both free agency and trades (Jordy Nelson, Martavis Bryant) as well as the draft (Maurice Hurst, Arden Key). Team building involves risk no matter what you do or whom you acquire, but Oakland is rolling the dice big-time with some of the players it is bringing in. If they hit, the Raiders will be in serious contention for the foreseeable future. If these transactions don't pan out, the Raiders are going to be in big trouble. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: The Raiders will outperform our expectations if Gruden is the right coach for Carr, and if the team dramatically outperforms the No. 32 ranking we assigned it for a perceived lack of proficiency when it comes to drafting. That ranking seems harsh for a team that has had only one draft since Gruden arrived. -- Sando


24 WASHINGTON
Why they're here: The Redskins have quarterback clarity for the future for the first time in a long time, as Alex Smith is the man going forward following a clumsy handling of the Kirk Cousins contract saga. The roster is not bereft of talent -- established or young -- but there is concern about this front office. The Cousins contract situation did not inspire a ton of confidence, but moreover, this is a front office in which questions persist specific to team president Bruce Allen. -- Yates

Biggest worry: There have been significant assets allocated to the defensive side of the football in Washington through the draft over the past two seasons, and these players will determine just how successful this franchise is going to be going forward. I'm talking about defensive linemen Jonathan Allen and Daron Payne, defensive back Fabian Moreau and linebacker Ryan Anderson. All are quality players who come from quality programs, and with the offense in good hands with Smith, it is up to the defense to get this team over the hump. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: We gave the Redskins very low marks for their drafting and front office. That outlook could change for the better if the team hires a strong GM or if someone such as Doug Williams grows into the role. -- Sando


25 BEARS
Why they're here: We'll learn plenty about the Bears this season, as the team loaded up in free agency, and there's much better structure around quarterback Mitchell Trubisky in his second pro season. We'll learn more about GM Ryan Pace's evaluation skills too, but we've often seen him seemingly bargain against himself: signing Mike Glennon for major money, trading up for Trubisky (just one spot) and other aggressive moves. It's a crucial year in Chicago. -- Yates

Biggest worry: The Bears fixed what was my biggest concern a year ago in Chicago: the relationship between GM and coach. They hired Matt Nagy in 2018, and I am all-in on him. Now, it's all about if this front office can consistently deliver the goods from a personnel standpoint that will allow this new, first-time head coach to get his program off the ground and running at a level that can compete with the Packers and Vikings. I like what the Bears did in free agency and the draft in 2018. But that is just one year. This is about sustainability. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: The Bears are an easy team to bet against while first-time Nagy remains unproven and the team waits for recent first-round draft choices Kevin White, Leonard Floyd, Trubisky and Roquan Smith to realize their potential. The team will ascend in a hurry if those key contributors step up. -- Sando


26 CARDS
Why they're here: This is the reality of what life after losing your quarterback and coach to retirement looks like. The Cardinals had to start from scratch at the quarterback position this offseason, making steep commitments in Sam Bradford and Josh Rosen. The areas to watch on the roster include defensive line, wide receiver opposite Larry Fitzgerald and offensive line. There's a lot of new in Arizona, as the Cardinals are the only team with a new coach who is expected to roll out a new starting quarterback this season. -- Yates

Biggest worry: It's a two-part issue with the Cardinals that could derail everything going forward. First, their ability to draft and develop starters, including overall depth of the quality that will contend for division and conference titles. Second, and more specifically, did they select their QB of the future in Rosen, both in terms of the right profile for their program, and do they have the right coaches in place to develop him? I am very skeptical about part one, but I do believe in Rosen as a prospect. We will see. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: It's tough betting too big on Arizona without knowing more about how head coach Steve Wilks and Rosen will fare in their critically important roles, but if both wind up being exceptional, Arizona would quickly become an NFC power again. -- Sando


27 GIANTS
Why they're here: While GM Dave Gettleman worked hard to make rapid improvements to his inherited roster -- Saquon Barkley, Nate Solder and Alec Ogletree are among those whose immediate returns will be significant -- he eschewed the long-term quarterback solution, waiting until the fourth round to draft a young quarterback. While it's possible that the heir apparent to Eli Manning will be either Davis Webb or Kyle Lauletta, that's a major question facing a franchise that plays in a difficult division. -- Yates

Biggest worry: I like what Gettleman has done this offseason to get this team pointed back in the right direction. He has added some very nice pieces through free agency and the draft. What concerns me most going forward is Manning. I don't see it ending well for him. I am of the belief that he is much closer to the end than others think, and I am hopeful that the Giants got a steal in fourth-round pick Lauletta. They will make a big turnaround in 2018 in terms of wins and losses, but I see a lot of uncertainty on the horizon at QB. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: The immediate future hinges on whether Manning can perform at a high level when given a viable supporting cast. He played poorly last season with a weak offensive line, no running game and injured receiving targets. If the Giants' upgraded supporting cast leads to a Manning revival, the Giants' outlook improves substantially. -- Sando


28 JETS
Why they're here: It's clear where the Jets' long-term plan at quarterback rests, as Sam Darnold will eventually take over QB1 duties. But the rest of the roster is a significant work in progress, with a true lack of difference-makers on offense at the skill position spots, no dominant edge presence on defense and the need for more linebacker depth. GM Mike Maccagnan has made some notably good selections in the draft, but his free-agency track record isn't as strong. -- Yates

Biggest worry: A year ago I thought the Jets were dead in the water long-term because they had no long-term answer at QB. They have flipped the script at that position with Josh McCown, Teddy Bridgewater, the drafting of Darnold and the promotion of Jeremy Bates to OC. My concern now is the overall strength and depth of the rest of the roster, specifically on offense. Is GM Mike Maccagnan up to the task in conjunction with HC Todd Bowles? I'm skeptical. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: Two things have to happen for the Jets' projected outlook to improve significantly. Darnold must be all the Jets think he can be, and the team's talent around Darnold must be better than we think it is. -- Sando


29 BENGALS
Why they're here: In a league in which patience is fleeting, one can argue that the Bengals have too much of it. Coach Marvin Lewis was signed to a two-year extension this offseason when it seemed the Bengals would move in a different direction. The message from that and from a front office that hasn't done much to rock the boat is that being good -- not great -- can be OK. The Bengals have yet to win a playoff game under Lewis' watch. -- Yates

Biggest worry: Does anything ever really change in Cincinnati? This is a team that, year after year, has enough athletes and skilled players to make some noise in its division and conference. However, the problems remain the same. I don't believe this coaching staff, or any coaching staff for that matter, is good enough to overcome a front office that lacks competent structure and decision-making protocol. Furthermore, quarterback Andy Dalton isn't good enough. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: It's obvious our projections are suffering from status-quo fatigue. As tough as it might be to get excited about another year with Lewis and Dalton as franchise centerpieces, the Bengals could certainly do much worse. It's entirely possible youngsters Joe Mixon and John Ross will lead an offensive revival behind a fortified offensive line, which would quickly alter the outlook for Cincy. -- Sando
 
30 BILLS
Why they're here: It's a talent issue in Buffalo -- for now. GM Brandon Beane and coach Sean McDermott have an unquestioned vision and a unique ability to maximize the pieces in place, but perhaps no other roster lacks talent on offense the way the Bills do. Josh Allen will take over as the starting quarterback at some point, but the Bills will need to work hard to build a nucleus of playmakers around him. -- Yates

Biggest worry: Last year at this time I stated that I did not believe Tyrod Taylor was the guy to take the Bills to the top of the division standings and supplant the Patriots as the unquestioned kings of the AFC East. Well, Buffalo management apparently felt the same way, and made a big bet by trading up to draft Allen seventh overall. If he isn't what the Bills think he is, and if they do not put the right pieces around him (which I also have major concerns about), this organization will be undergoing another reset in the next two to four years. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: We weren't sold on Allen's ability to compensate for a roster that seems to be in a rebuilding state. The outlook improves sharply if Allen is significantly better than we expect him to be. The quarterback position is difficult to project, so it will not be shocking if Allen outperforms our expectations for him. -- Sando


31 BROWNS
Why they're here: A flurry of offseason activity has the Browns primed to make a major step forward this year based on improved talent alone. But there are still players among that group whom we need to "see it to believe it," such as quarterback Baker Mayfield and wide receiver Josh Gordon (again). Most pressingly, there's a massive debate about whether the Browns have the right coach in place, with Hue Jackson guiding his team to just one win in two years. The talent has been absent, but one win in 32 tries is shocking. -- Yates

Biggest worry: I didn't like DeShone Kizer for the Browns in 2017. He is gone. I'm not a big believer in Myles Garrett being a franchise-changing pass-rusher. We shall see. And I don't think this coaching staff, particularly on the offensive side of the ball, is good enough to take what is clearly an improved roster from a personnel standpoint and make it into a division contender, particularly as it pertains to the QB position. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: We gave the Browns league-worst marks in the coaching category. That is fair in light of Jackson's 1-31 record over the past two seasons. However, it's also true that Jackson had very little to work with from a personnel standpoint. That is changing, and now Jackson has help on the offensive staff with veteran assistants Todd Haley and Ken Zampese joining forces. We could be underrating the coaching outlook. -- Sando


32 DOLPHINS
Why they're here: While we on the outside will never have all the information that teams operate with and plan/build around, we can typically get a sense of the how and why behind moves made and organizational direction. That's not the case in Miami, where the team shipped out several talented veterans such as Ndamukong Suh, Mike Pouncey and Jarvis Landry in an apparent effort to improve the culture, taking on investments in players with questions in different ways: Is Robert Quinn still an elite pass-rusher? Can Danny Amendola handle a full-time role? Is Albert Wilson worth No. 2 receiver money? Simply put, the future is hard to forecast in Miami. -- Yates

Biggest worry: Every year it seems the Dolphins are doing some sort of philosophical "reset," ridding the roster of malcontents, trying to get the chemistry right, trying to get the correct mix of players who fit what they want to be as a team and organization. The problem for me is, I don't think there is a consensus as to who the Dolphins want to be or how they should go about getting there when it comes to the coaching staff and front office, and I don't see this version lasting much longer. The NFL is a production business, and if the Dolphins don't start winning more games, I see changes coming. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: The Dolphins ranked among the bottom five in every category except coaching. Their quarterback situation ranked only 28th, which means the team could be better than projected even if Ryan Tannehill is merely average upon his return from injury. Miami can exceed expectations further if the team's addition-by-subtraction approach to personnel allows the whole to exceed the sum of the parts. -- Sando

Sorry for the triple post.
 
A healthy #4 in 2018 and we're likely a 10-6 team in the mix for a wild-card spot. A healthy #99 (the defense has potential to be dominating) and we could be 12-4 and overtake the Jaguars for the AFC South division title.

A lot of big ifs though. Watt, Clowney, Mercilus and the honey badger. You've got to keep these guys healthy all year long. That's probably a long shot to be honest with you.

But just keep Deshaun Watson healthy and we'll compete every game. I love this team on paper though. I like it better than our previous 12-4 team back in 2012.
 
Rather than an RB like Bell... I dream of having Earl Thomas and Honey Badger at safety!

Per rotoworld:

Seahawks contract-year FS Earl Thomas wants to be traded if the Seahawks don't extend him.

Thomas is threatening a training camp holdout after skipping the entire offseason. The Seahawks haven't made progress on an extension, and there are rumors a trade to Dallas is still in play. 29-year-old Thomas missed time with injuries the last two seasons, but there's been no dropoff from his All Pro form. Thomas is expected to be targeting $12 million annually on his next deal.


Source: Earl Thomas on Instagram
 
Rather than an RB like Bell... I dream of having Earl Thomas and Honey Badger at safety!

Per rotoworld:

Seahawks contract-year FS Earl Thomas wants to be traded if the Seahawks don't extend him.

Thomas is threatening a training camp holdout after skipping the entire offseason. The Seahawks haven't made progress on an extension, and there are rumors a trade to Dallas is still in play. 29-year-old Thomas missed time with injuries the last two seasons, but there's been no dropoff from his All Pro form. Thomas is expected to be targeting $12 million annually on his next deal.



Source: Earl Thomas on Instagram

From my March 6 2018 posts:

Seems like he came back pretty well from his 2015 shoulder labrum surgery. In 2016, before he broke his tibia, was slowed throughout the early season by a hamstring injury. This hamstring quickly reappeared in 2017 and continued to the end of the season. The worrisome thing is that his hamstring problems morphed into a "heel" injury (Achilles vs plantar fasciitis) in Dec.............both of these injuries following him to the end of the season. Could there be a good reason for the Seahawks to be so willing to part with Thomas besides their lack of draft picks?

I'd be concerned that his hamstring and his "heel" problem may be come recurrent and progressive.
 
Not to point out the obvious “again” but man that trade to get Osweiller’s salary cap number off the books just keeps looking worse in hindsight. More money saved by releasing Jeff Allen.

But those signings along with that ill advised trade for unused cap space did help rid the team of it’s biggest problem in Rick Smith!
yeah but I could still be upset for not drafting Darrelle Revis Cb 11 years ago. Well--I am still mad but I quit posting about it after 5 or so years... BTW he just retired.
 
Yep and Demeco was coming off DROTY... would have been silly to select another MLB for a 4-3 defense that high

Just so we’re clear...

You don’t think Patrick Willis, a HOF caliber LB talent 6’1 240 with sideline to sideline speed could have MAYBE found his way on the field somewhere alongside DeMeco?!
 
Just so we’re clear...

You don’t think Patrick Willis, a HOF caliber LB talent 6’1 240 with sideline to sideline speed could have MAYBE found his way on the field somewhere alongside DeMeco?!

Not what I said...
 
“would have been silly to select another MLB for a 4-3 defense that high”

You don’t think Willis or Ryans could’ve kicked outside like Cushing did his rookie year playing SAM in a 4-3?

You remember the defensive coordinator was Richard Smith right? We had much bigger holes at DL/CB/RB/QB than at LB
 
You remember the defensive coordinator was Richard Smith right? We had much bigger holes at DL/CB/RB/QB than at LB

Yes we did. But for the sake of discussing how big of a bust Okoye was... Patrick Willis was about as good a LB prospect as it gets and his play on the field reflected that. Safe pick at a position that was still a need even if there were holes elsewhere. Picking Willis would have made sense at the time it was made and in hindsight.
 
Yes we did. But for the sake of discussing how big of a bust Okoye was... Patrick Willis was about as good a LB prospect as it gets and his play on the field reflected that. Safe pick at a position that was still a need even if there were holes elsewhere. Picking Willis would have made sense at the time it was made and in hindsight.

Willis would have been a better pick no doubt, so would have Lynch, Revis or even Michael Griffin for that matter
 
Yes we did. But for the sake of discussing how big of a bust Okoye was... Patrick Willis was about as good a LB prospect as it gets and his play on the field reflected that. Safe pick at a position that was still a need even if there were holes elsewhere. Picking Willis would have made sense at the time it was made and in hindsight.
BUT.... as much as I hate to admit JB has a valid point, he does.

Willis, at that time in the team rebuild, would have been a serious LUXURY pick. We had Willis' position covered - quite well - by DeMeco.

IMHO, Lynch or Revis were better picks to fill the holes we had back then
. Lynch could have run Ahman Green off the field. Certainly Revis could have replaced Petey Faggins. Or we could have had Dwayne Bowe to be opposite AJ. Or Joe Staley and could have done something else with the pick we used on Duane Brown the following draft.

you can make yourself crazy with all this couldda/wouldda stuff.
 
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you can make yourself crazy with all this couldda/wouldda stuff.
16 years into the 2002 expansion Houston Texans. And all we have to show for it is what I'd deem a couple good seasons of 12-4 and 10-6. Never playing in a conference championship game much less a Super Bowl.

I just long for more as a Houston Texans fan.
The coulda/woulda stuff doesn't concern me.
We're all getting older. Life is just passing us by debating stuff.

I'm more focused about the results. You either produce or you don't.
 
Knock it off BADBOY, look what you started.

Going forward, if Davenport can keep #4 in his feet for 3 seconds, I may just go BPA all seven rounds.
 
Quite a few very prominent NFL teams haven't competed in a conference championship game since the inception of the Texans.

There are a few that have never played in a super bowl and they have been around a lot longer than we have. It took the Saints - what 40+ years to make it there?
While I understand your POV I am more with BoP. I am not concerned about other teams success or lack there of. Reminds me of some saying "gasoline prices in Europe higher than in Texas". I don't live in Europe & I don't root for other NFL teams. Give credit where due or complain where it is not.
 
While I understand your POV I am more with BoP. I am not concerned about other teams success or lack there of. Reminds me of some saying "gasoline prices in Europe higher than in Texas". I don't live in Europe & I don't root for other NFL teams. Give credit where due or complain where it is not.

Well if you put years in the league aside, history shows us since we've been in the league that unless you have a top 5 QB (some top 10) you have almost NO SHOT IN HELL! at winning a championship.. I don't look at the number of years so far, because those guys are extremely rare and hard as **** to come by.. So I've pretty much **** canned our entire previous history, because we really didn't have much of a chance to ever win without one.

Now here's the good news! On the flip side of that same coin, history has shown us that if you do have "THAT GUY", you're pretty much guaranteed to win a championship and play in multiple SBs. So this is where I'm hitting my team clock, because we might finally have "THAT GUY".

Now que all the "we could've drafted Rodgers and Wilson" posts! :)
 
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When I hear people say that some teams took 30-40 years to get to the SB, I feel that something has been lost in the statement. In the past 2 decades, unrestricted free agency has changed everything...............greater team parity.............with greater chance for any bottom dweller to make it to the top in short time..............and greater chance for any SB winner to make its way back to the cellar.
 
When I hear people say that some teams took 30-40 years to get to the SB, I feel that something has been lost in the statement. In the past 2 decades, unrestricted free agency has changed everything...............greater team parity.............with greater chance for any bottom dweller to make it to the top in short time..............and greater chance for any SB winner to make its way back to the cellar.

That said, there's 13 teams other than Houston who haven't been to a SB since the Texans inception.

And even with the changes in free agency and the parity we have now, there's still teams who haven't been to a SB in 30, 40, 50 years. Cleveland and Detroit, of course, are both 0 for 52 in SB appearances, the Jets haven't been in 49 years, Kansas City 48, Vikings 41, Miami 33, Redskins 26 and Cowboys 22. Those last 4 have a combined 22 SB appearances and haven't been in that long. And that's with the changes of the last couple of decades.
 
That said, there's 13 teams other than Houston who haven't been to a SB since the Texans inception.

And even with the changes in free agency and the parity we have now, there's still teams who haven't been to a SB in 30, 40, 50 years. Cleveland and Detroit, of course, are both 0 for 52 in SB appearances, the Jets haven't been in 49 years, Kansas City 48, Vikings 41, Miami 33, Redskins 26 and Cowboys 22. Those last 4 have a combined 22 SB appearances and haven't been in that long. And that's with the changes of the last couple of decades.
And if you look at the past 2 decades, most of those teams not getting up there can be accounted for by compounded poor organizational decisions.
 
So, you're saying the Texans FO fits right in?
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When I hear people say that some teams took 30-40 years to get to the SB, I feel that something has been lost in the statement. In the past 2 decades, unrestricted free agency has changed everything...............greater team parity.............with greater chance for any bottom dweller to make it to the top in short time..............and greater chance for any SB winner to make its way back to the cellar.
Mostly you are correct about that but there's one outlier to your generality which of course is the Patriots which is clearly the team of this century which has remained at or near the top with no serious contenders.
 
And if you look at the past 2 decades, most of those teams not getting up there can be accounted for by compounded poor organizational decisions.

The point is, you indicated that it's easier to get there now than it was in the past, and teams not being there for 30, 40 years wasn't the same. The Saints were a horribly run organization back in the day. Poorly run franchises didn't make it then the same as they don't make it now, regardless of parity.

The Chiefs have won 10 games or more in 5 of the last 8 years. I wouldn't say they are a franchise that makes poor organizational decisions. Minnesota has won a lot of games the last decade. And I didn't even mention teams like the Packers, with all of their winning, have only been to the SB once in the last 20 years.

13 different teams went to a SB in the 1st 15 SBs, when the league had at most 28 teams. Just 15 different teams have gone to the last 15 SBs, in a league with 32 teams.

Yeah, the suck organizations like the Browns and Lions are going to struggle just getting to the playoffs, never mind a SB, but getting to SBs it isn't a whole lot better for better run organizations either.
 
There has been parity in the league, BUT NOT IN THE PLAYOFFS..

This article breaks it down
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mi...session-with-parity-and-its-failing-miserably

Again, it goes back to top tier QBs and it always has..with the cap and before the cap. You either have one or you don't. Haves and Have nots.. and that's not parity and never will be, because there's literally only so much of these guys walking the face of the planet.

There will always be exceptions to the rule (So people please don't bother posting them), but this is a QB driven league..again always has been and always will be.
 
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There has been parity in the league, BUT NOT IN THE PLAYOFFS..

This article breaks it down
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mi...session-with-parity-and-its-failing-miserably

Again, it goes back to top tier QBs and it always has..with the cap and before the cap. You either have one or you don't. Haves and Have nots.. and that's not parity and never will be, because there's literally only so much of these guys walking the face of the planet.

There will always be exceptions to the rule (So people please don't bother posting them), but this is a QB driven league..again always has been and always will be.

Agreed, but it's possible to win a SB without a franchise QB. Denver/Baltimore/Tampa Bay have proven this. Philly just won a SB with their backup QB.
 
Agreed, but it's possible to win a SB without a franchise QB. Denver/Baltimore/Tampa Bay have proven this. Philly just won a SB with their backup QB.

Yes... that was the exception to the rule.

However, I'll say this about Foles.. he played like a top tier QB in the playoffs (he was a huge part of them winning that Superbowl). Basically all the other teams had historic all time defenses.
 
Just 15 different teams have gone to the last 15 SBs

history shows us since we've been in the league that unless you have a top 5 QB (some top 10) you have almost NO SHOT IN HELL! at winning a championship

Again, it goes back to top tier QBs and it always has

There will always be exceptions to the rule (So people please don't bother posting them), but this is a QB driven league

Last 15 SB winning QB's
B. Johnson (18-34, 215 yds), T. Brady (4 times), B. Roethlisberger (2 times), Eli (2 times), P. Manning (2 times), Brees, Rodgers, Flacco, R. Wilson, Foles.

"Elite" QB's there, 4, IMO. Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Peyton. Ben, maybe...
Johnson won his because his defense made Gannon crap his pants and picked him 5 times.
Flacco was playing in another QB's body that playoff run.
Eli made two throws that were just ridiculous. Both those games could/should have been the GOATS.
Wilson had a stupid good defense that made P Manning and the entire Broncos offense crap his pants.
Foles isn't elite but he was bad ass that game.

Sorry @Carr Bombed , I listed them. 10 out 16 games all have great HOF bound QB's, and I didn't even list Eli in those 10.
 
Yes... that was the exception to the rule.

However, I'll say this about Foles.. he played like a top tier QB in the playoffs (he was a huge part of them winning that Superbowl). Basically all the other teams had historic all time defenses.
Their offensive line did a hell of a job giving him time and protected the hell out of him. His defense also did good.
Two luxuries Watson did not have.
 
Yes... that was the exception to the rule.

However, I'll say this about Foles.. he played like a top tier QB in the playoffs (he was a huge part of them winning that Superbowl). Basically all the other teams had historic all time defenses.

Flacco also played his best football in the playoffs the year the Ravens won. Elite level QB play from an otherwise average player.
 
Sometimes it takes a little luck. Or to catch fire at the right time. We have a HOF QB that set all types of records but could not win the SB. He played for the Miami Dolphins. Quest what his name is
 
Last 15 SB winning QB's
B. Johnson (18-34, 215 yds), T. Brady (4 times), B. Roethlisberger (2 times), Eli (2 times), P. Manning (2 times), Brees, Rodgers, Flacco, R. Wilson, Foles.

"Elite" QB's there, 4, IMO. Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Peyton. Ben, maybe...
Johnson won his because his defense made Gannon crap his pants and picked him 5 times.
Flacco was playing in another QB's body that playoff run.
Eli made two throws that were just ridiculous. Both those games could/should have been the GOATS.
Wilson had a stupid good defense that made P Manning and the entire Broncos offense crap his pants.
Foles isn't elite but he was bad ass that game.

Sorry @Carr Bombed , I listed them. 10 out 16 games all have great HOF bound QB's, and I didn't even list Eli in those 10.

If you look at my previous post I said top 5 to 10 QBs.. which is here..
Well if you put years in the league aside, history shows us since we've been in the league that unless you have a top 5 QB (some top 10) you have almost NO SHOT IN HELL! at winning a championship..
so you didn't list 10 out of 16.

And as far as the miraculous catch in that Superbowl.. don't forget what happened before that throw even was released..

Also nobody is ever going to argue that E. Manning was the greatest, but he will be a future HOFer.

We've had a top 10 QB for just a couple of seasons in our existence, we also were curb stomped by the G.O.A.T. in the playoffs.

Check that, regular season and in the playoffs..curb stomping!

I was ecstatic watching that Pats game last season, because Watson was the only Houston QB I've ever seen put worry and fear into the eyes of Brady and Belichick.. and he was a freaking rookie!
 
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Also nobody is ever going to argue that E. Manning was the greatest, but he will be a future HOFer.

While agreeing overall, I'm betting against that one.

I was shiting a brick watching that Pats game last season, because Watson was the only Houston QB I've ever seen put worry and fear into the eyes of Brady and Belichick.. and he was a freaking rookie!

Schaub had them on the ropes a couple times. Schaub got noticed because he went 298 yds 3 Tds against NE. But yeah, Watson was scary.
 
While agreeing overall, I'm betting against that one.



Schaub had them on the ropes a couple times. Schaub got noticed because he went 298 yds 3 Tds against NE. But yeah, Watson was scary.

ESPN did a survey last season that calculates all sorts of numbers and accolades and they gave him a 72+% chance of making the hall. Now he's going to have to wait awhile, because this has been the era of QBs. But I believe he'll eventually get in. His longevity and health has allowed him to reach statistical check boxes.
 
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