austins23
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I think this is the site that Florio runs/created. He's a jack leg and a Texans hater. I pass over anything PFF.
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infantrycak
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Mike Florio (former scumbag lawyer) runs PFT - ProFootballTalk. And yes he is a Texans hater.
Deshaun made some pretty wonky throws at times (though homers will hardly ever acknowledge this), and he got away with some. Pff took those into consideration. I don't necessarily agree with the lengths to which they did so as his good pretty clearly outweighed his bad, but I get the idea. And I think that's the thing to remember with them. I use them like I do the 40 at the combine - it's one metric. I don't put every inch of stock into, but I do check it out to see just how much it jives with everything else I think I know. When I consider it objectively, but not gospel, it tends to help paint me a more complete picture of evaluation.
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Carr Bombed
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Every rookie QB makes "wonky throws" at times..I have yet to see one rookie QB who hasn't, (maybe Dak Prescott, but he didn't have to carry the load his rookie year and had all pro pieces around him) however when PFF tweets stuff like this..
https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF/status/963786722256531458
I seriously wonder what the hell they're smoking and highly question the credibility of their "advanced stats".
No one..and I mean NO ONE other than PFF believes that Mitch freaking Trubisky had a better rookie season than Deshaun Watson or ranks his performance over Watson's, let alone close to it. That's where I just click close on PFF, because stuff like that certainly isn't painting any kind of picture for me other than that they are asinine.
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That post smacks of logic. Is that allowed on the interwebs?
CloakNNNdagger
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For those of you that are quick to condemn stats (like the first post of 2017 QB Rankings by Football Outsiders), take the time to read the context of the ranking details. Football Outsiders has always been respected for the analyses they have presented over the years. Here's their most recent QB analysis presented.
[In the post following this one, I will post Football Outsiders' actual 2017 QB Rankings...........which should make some here much happier. All of their different rankings/analyses have merit................again, it's looking at the details, the context and making an effort to understand what they are meant to demonstrate.]
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FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS
» Quarterbacks and Pressure 2017
2017 saw a massive improvement for Jared Goff, optimism for Jimmy Garoppolo and Deshaun Watson, and the first time two players had positive DVOA under pressure. Also: will Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson ever change their style the way Ben Roethlisberger has?
28 Jun 2018
Quarterbacks and Pressure 2017
by Scott Kacsmar
The 2017 NFL season saw another Super Bowl largely decided by pressure on a quarterback. Brandon Graham's strip-sack on Tom Brady late in the fourth quarter swung the game for Philadelphia in a 41-33 win that otherwise did not feature much defense. The Eagles happened to get one big stop at the best possible moment, which is sometimes all a defense needs.
Pressure is like any other stat in that it is not always created equally. Just as a 45-yard reception on third-and-18 is treated differently than a 3-yard grab on second-and-15, we can use DVOA as a tool to see how pressure affected a quarterback and his passing game. Where pressure differs from most stats is that its presence is subjective to charters, and there will be disagreements from time to time. Our data for pressure comes primarily from Sports Information Solutions, further informed by the data we also collect from ESPN Stats & Info.
The average pressure rate in 2017 was 31.6 percent, which was the highest since 2010. Do keep that in mind if you want to compare this to past seasons, such as 2016 when the pressure rate was 27.1 percent. It was just a tad over 23 percent in our data for the 2010 and 2011 seasons.
It is important to note that the DVOA numbers listed below are not the individual quarterback's passing DVOA, as seen here. Instead, it is team offensive DVOA with this quarterback either passing (including sacks) or scrambling. Each quarterback listed had at least 200 pass plays, and they are listed in order by ascending pressure rate.
2017 was such a weird season that we actually had two quarterbacks with positive DVOA under pressure: Tom Brady (7.7%) and Case Keenum (6.8%). That's already weird enough given Brady's 40-year-old status and Keenum's journeyman career, but consider that from 2010 to 2016, only one quarterback ever had a positive DVOA under pressure—that was Josh McCown (8.0%) for the 2013 Bears in a season where he had to fill in for Jay Cutler. I thought Brady and Keenum had a shot at it after I did this article on how they handled pressure for FiveThirtyEight in January. Both quarterbacks faltered under pressure against the Eagles in the postseason, but that's just the nature of pressure. It randomizes the game even more than normal. Denver fans should be a bit skeptical of Keenum keeping this up in 2018. In both of the two previous seasons where he qualified for our tables (2013 and 2016), he finished 33rd in DVOA with pressure.
There's one other link between Brady, Keenum, and McCown. Thanks to the way they handled pressure last season, Keenum (-52.2%) and Brady (-54.3%) had the lowest drop in DVOA when pressure was added. On the other hand, while McCown had one of his best overall seasons with the Jets, his drop in DVOA was the steepest in the league, falling from 56.6% without pressure to -95.0% with pressure. Let the Sam Darnold era begin in New York.
I feel like a kid on Christmas morning when this data gets finalized each offseason and I open the file for the first time. One of the most useful stats to analyze a quarterback is his DVOA without pressure. If a quarterback can't take advantage of a clean pocket, then he's probably not franchise-caliber. That's why I often focus on the quarterbacks at the bottom, because those are usually the players about to be replaced.
Sure enough, last season saw seven quarterbacks dip below 30.0% DVOA without pressure, and only two of those players (Eli Manning and Joe Flacco) are expected to be Week 1 starters for their teams in 2018. They also happen to be the two with Super Bowl MVP awards, but at least the Ravens drafted Lamar Jackson in the first round in April. The Giants are still going with a 37-year-old Manning, but that shouldn't be the case much longer if he continues to struggle like this.
Denver ditched Trevor Siemian, who had the worst DVOA under pressure (-112.4%), for Keenum, who we just said had the second-highest. The Colts will hope to see Andrew Luck return instead of more play from Jacoby Brissett, who was a sack-taking machine in his place. Jay Cutler retired again, but probably for good this time. Since 2010, Cutler always ranked in the top 18 in DVOA with pressure, but never higher than 20th without pressure. Brian Hoyer was just a stop-gap for the 49ers before Jimmy Garoppolo took over. By the way, Garoppolo's DVOA with pressure was 12.8%, which would have been the highest in our database if he qualified. His DVOA without pressure was 81.4%, which would have ranked third in 2017. Let the excitement build even more there. Finally, DeShone Kizer had the worst DVOA without pressure (10.7%) for Cleveland, which explains why the rookie was traded to Green Bay in March.
Speaking of rookies, we were spooked by Jared Goff in this study a year ago after what he did for the Rams in 2016 as the No. 1 overall pick. His DVOA without pressure was -45.2%, easily the worst of any qualified passer since 2010. Quarterbacks under 10.0% rarely ever recover, but what would Goff do from this far down? Enter rookie head coach Sean McVay, some new wideouts, and some new offensive line starters, and Goff shot all the way up to 83.4% DVOA without pressure, ranked No. 2 in the league and the seventh-highest season since 2010. Needless to say, we've never observed a year-to-year improvement like that one before. Goff still wasn't too hot when pressured (21st in DVOA), but when kept clean in that YAC-heavy scheme, he had a field day in 2017.
Another young quarterback who entertained us last season was Deshaun Watson in Houston. His rookie season was sadly cut short by a torn ACL, but Watson's 99.3% DVOA without pressure is the highest season by any quarterback since 2010. His pressure rate (41.9 percent) was also the highest in our database, so if the Texans can protect him better so that he plays a full season in 2018, then the potential is sky-high. Watson is likely a quarterback who will hold the ball longer to make big plays and wrack up some pressure on his own, but with that kind of DVOA when he was kept clean, this should be one of the most anticipated sophomore seasons in NFL history.
THE REST OF THE STORY INCLUDING TABLES
[In the post following this one, I will post Football Outsiders' actual 2017 QB Rankings...........which should make some here much happier. All of their different rankings/analyses have merit................again, it's looking at the details, the context and making an effort to understand what they are meant to demonstrate.]
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FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS
» Quarterbacks and Pressure 2017
2017 saw a massive improvement for Jared Goff, optimism for Jimmy Garoppolo and Deshaun Watson, and the first time two players had positive DVOA under pressure. Also: will Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson ever change their style the way Ben Roethlisberger has?
28 Jun 2018
Quarterbacks and Pressure 2017
by Scott Kacsmar
The 2017 NFL season saw another Super Bowl largely decided by pressure on a quarterback. Brandon Graham's strip-sack on Tom Brady late in the fourth quarter swung the game for Philadelphia in a 41-33 win that otherwise did not feature much defense. The Eagles happened to get one big stop at the best possible moment, which is sometimes all a defense needs.
Pressure is like any other stat in that it is not always created equally. Just as a 45-yard reception on third-and-18 is treated differently than a 3-yard grab on second-and-15, we can use DVOA as a tool to see how pressure affected a quarterback and his passing game. Where pressure differs from most stats is that its presence is subjective to charters, and there will be disagreements from time to time. Our data for pressure comes primarily from Sports Information Solutions, further informed by the data we also collect from ESPN Stats & Info.
The average pressure rate in 2017 was 31.6 percent, which was the highest since 2010. Do keep that in mind if you want to compare this to past seasons, such as 2016 when the pressure rate was 27.1 percent. It was just a tad over 23 percent in our data for the 2010 and 2011 seasons.
It is important to note that the DVOA numbers listed below are not the individual quarterback's passing DVOA, as seen here. Instead, it is team offensive DVOA with this quarterback either passing (including sacks) or scrambling. Each quarterback listed had at least 200 pass plays, and they are listed in order by ascending pressure rate.
2017 was such a weird season that we actually had two quarterbacks with positive DVOA under pressure: Tom Brady (7.7%) and Case Keenum (6.8%). That's already weird enough given Brady's 40-year-old status and Keenum's journeyman career, but consider that from 2010 to 2016, only one quarterback ever had a positive DVOA under pressure—that was Josh McCown (8.0%) for the 2013 Bears in a season where he had to fill in for Jay Cutler. I thought Brady and Keenum had a shot at it after I did this article on how they handled pressure for FiveThirtyEight in January. Both quarterbacks faltered under pressure against the Eagles in the postseason, but that's just the nature of pressure. It randomizes the game even more than normal. Denver fans should be a bit skeptical of Keenum keeping this up in 2018. In both of the two previous seasons where he qualified for our tables (2013 and 2016), he finished 33rd in DVOA with pressure.
There's one other link between Brady, Keenum, and McCown. Thanks to the way they handled pressure last season, Keenum (-52.2%) and Brady (-54.3%) had the lowest drop in DVOA when pressure was added. On the other hand, while McCown had one of his best overall seasons with the Jets, his drop in DVOA was the steepest in the league, falling from 56.6% without pressure to -95.0% with pressure. Let the Sam Darnold era begin in New York.
I feel like a kid on Christmas morning when this data gets finalized each offseason and I open the file for the first time. One of the most useful stats to analyze a quarterback is his DVOA without pressure. If a quarterback can't take advantage of a clean pocket, then he's probably not franchise-caliber. That's why I often focus on the quarterbacks at the bottom, because those are usually the players about to be replaced.
Sure enough, last season saw seven quarterbacks dip below 30.0% DVOA without pressure, and only two of those players (Eli Manning and Joe Flacco) are expected to be Week 1 starters for their teams in 2018. They also happen to be the two with Super Bowl MVP awards, but at least the Ravens drafted Lamar Jackson in the first round in April. The Giants are still going with a 37-year-old Manning, but that shouldn't be the case much longer if he continues to struggle like this.
Denver ditched Trevor Siemian, who had the worst DVOA under pressure (-112.4%), for Keenum, who we just said had the second-highest. The Colts will hope to see Andrew Luck return instead of more play from Jacoby Brissett, who was a sack-taking machine in his place. Jay Cutler retired again, but probably for good this time. Since 2010, Cutler always ranked in the top 18 in DVOA with pressure, but never higher than 20th without pressure. Brian Hoyer was just a stop-gap for the 49ers before Jimmy Garoppolo took over. By the way, Garoppolo's DVOA with pressure was 12.8%, which would have been the highest in our database if he qualified. His DVOA without pressure was 81.4%, which would have ranked third in 2017. Let the excitement build even more there. Finally, DeShone Kizer had the worst DVOA without pressure (10.7%) for Cleveland, which explains why the rookie was traded to Green Bay in March.
Speaking of rookies, we were spooked by Jared Goff in this study a year ago after what he did for the Rams in 2016 as the No. 1 overall pick. His DVOA without pressure was -45.2%, easily the worst of any qualified passer since 2010. Quarterbacks under 10.0% rarely ever recover, but what would Goff do from this far down? Enter rookie head coach Sean McVay, some new wideouts, and some new offensive line starters, and Goff shot all the way up to 83.4% DVOA without pressure, ranked No. 2 in the league and the seventh-highest season since 2010. Needless to say, we've never observed a year-to-year improvement like that one before. Goff still wasn't too hot when pressured (21st in DVOA), but when kept clean in that YAC-heavy scheme, he had a field day in 2017.
Another young quarterback who entertained us last season was Deshaun Watson in Houston. His rookie season was sadly cut short by a torn ACL, but Watson's 99.3% DVOA without pressure is the highest season by any quarterback since 2010. His pressure rate (41.9 percent) was also the highest in our database, so if the Texans can protect him better so that he plays a full season in 2018, then the potential is sky-high. Watson is likely a quarterback who will hold the ball longer to make big plays and wrack up some pressure on his own, but with that kind of DVOA when he was kept clean, this should be one of the most anticipated sophomore seasons in NFL history.
THE REST OF THE STORY INCLUDING TABLES
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CloakNNNdagger
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This should make more here happier.
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FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS
QUARTERBACKS 2017
Regular season totals, playoffs not included
Revised as of 4/13/2018
Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback 's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. DYAR (and its cousin, YAR, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.
The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. Negative DVOA represents below-average offense. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.
The simple version: DYAR means a quarterback with more total value. DVOA means a quarterback with more value per play.
Effective Yards, listed in red, translate DVOA into a yards per attempt figure. This provides an easy comparison: in general, players with more Effective Yards than standard yards played better than standard stats would otherwise indicate, while players with fewer Effective Yards than standard yards played worse than standard stats would otherwise indicate. Effective Yards are not the best way to measure total value because they are more dependent on usage than DYAR.
Total QBR (listed as just QBR) is a metric created by the ESPN Stats & Information group. Total QBR is based on the by the quarterback on each play, then adjusts the numbers to a scale of 0-100. There are five main differences between Total QBR and Football Outsiders' DVOA metric (with further explanation here):
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FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS
QUARTERBACKS 2017
Regular season totals, playoffs not included
Revised as of 4/13/2018
Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback 's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. DYAR (and its cousin, YAR, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.
The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. Negative DVOA represents below-average offense. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.
The simple version: DYAR means a quarterback with more total value. DVOA means a quarterback with more value per play.
Effective Yards, listed in red, translate DVOA into a yards per attempt figure. This provides an easy comparison: in general, players with more Effective Yards than standard yards played better than standard stats would otherwise indicate, while players with fewer Effective Yards than standard yards played worse than standard stats would otherwise indicate. Effective Yards are not the best way to measure total value because they are more dependent on usage than DYAR.
Total QBR (listed as just QBR) is a metric created by the ESPN Stats & Information group. Total QBR is based on the by the quarterback on each play, then adjusts the numbers to a scale of 0-100. There are five main differences between Total QBR and Football Outsiders' DVOA metric (with further explanation here):
- Total QBR incorporates information from game charting, such as passes dropped or thrown away on purpose.
- Total QBR splits responsibility on plays between the quarterback, his receivers, and his blockers. Drops, for example, are more on the receiver, as are yards after the catch, and some sacks are more on the offensive line than others.
- Total QBR has a clutch factor which adds (or subtracts) value for quarterbacks who perform best (or worst) in high-leverage situations.
- Total QBR combines passing and rushing value into one number and differentiates between scrambles and planned runs.
- Beginning in 2016, Total QBR is now adjusted for strength of opponent. Total QBR on other stats pages (pre-2016) has not yet been updated with oppponent adjustment. (Note: We plan on updating all QB Stats pages with adjusted QBR and a qualifying minimum of 200 passes sometime in the 2018 offseason.)
- Passes total includes sacks and aborted snaps. Both count against a quarterback's value.
- Intentional clock-stopping spikes are not counted as passes, which may cause completion rate to be different from official NFL stats.
- Fumbles count the same whether lost to the defense or retained by the offense.
- DPI lists the number of plays and yards where the quarterback drew Defensive Pass Interference. These plays are incorporated into DVOA and DYAR, but are not included in the totals for Passes or Yards.
- ALEX represents Air Less EXpected on third downs, the average difference between the length of the quarterback's throw and the distance needed for a new set of downs. The number listed here only includes third downs and is not adjusted for passes thrown away or batted down.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Which post
Ummm, the one quoted? Or is that too logical?
Texansballer74
The Marine
I don't think anyone has said that some rookies never make wonky throws.
But the formula that evaluates JJ as a superman or DHop as a monster is the same one they use for everyone else. My only point was that while they aren't perfect they also aren't grabbing things out of thin air. And I think it's worth considering what they have to say if not for the entire measure of their score but for what particular types of things they found to score on. That's all.
austins23
Hall of Fame
Just for conversation sake, the TD he tossed to Griffin at NE. The back of the end zone throw. Do you think he "got away with" that one? Or was that just a great throw? I'm not questioning you or rebutting your post, just asking.
Not at all. I think that may have been his best throw of the year. It was spectacular.
I may be thick as sh*t and missing something here, but I don't even know how that could qualify as a 'got away with one' kind of throw.
Carr Bombed
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Here's a question, do you think Mitch Trubisky was better than Watson?
No.
Not sure how I even remotely insinuated that anyway.
Not sure how I even remotely insinuated that anyway.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Is it just me, or does this offseason seem an especially long one? I think I've lost patience for all the usual BS we go through every year before the first real game. I need to fast forward through all this and just get to the real stuff. I'm tired of the chips and sauce and want my ******* fajitas now.
Carr Bombed
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Texansballer74
The Marine
Heck naw.
post # 6003
(this symbol, #, means "number", not hashtag
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Well let's see
- started 10 weeks early
- included a firing that wasn't a firing
- a hiring that wasn't really new
- an extension for a lame duck
- lots of free agent money and lots of free agent signings and still lots of questions
- a draft w/o the 1st 2 rounds and no trades
- GM/HC talking as much about changes in organizational philosophy more than changing in fortune
Lots of activity w/o matching level of action...arguably the more things change the more they stay the same.
CloakNNNdagger
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McClain: 10 thoughts before Texans training camp
By John McClain, Houston Chronicle
July 1, 2018 Updated: July 1, 2018 1:00pm
By John McClain, Houston Chronicle
July 1, 2018 Updated: July 1, 2018 1:00pm
Thanks for posting
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
This offseason seems long because it started when Fitzpatrick and OB took the field together for the first time.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Ouch!
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
You need the patented Gibbs head slap.
I was going to ask the question what has really happened since they took the field and then I remembered:
MightyTExan
It's go time!
This offseason seems long because it started when Fitzpatrick and OB took the field together for the first time.
badboy
Hall of Fame
For me it was because I was even more vested in researching free agents and draft prospects. Not having a first or second but three threes (I like that 3 3s lol) was challenging + getting Gaines back was huge. With so many injured returning; FAs like Colvin, Badger, Fulton even Bademosi, significant bring backs like Manz and Ellington; it seemed like a more interesting--something always on the stove off season.
badboy
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Didn't read the Draftwire article about ESPN saying Watt could be cut if he has another nonproductive season but--there is no more guaranteed money and only $5 m dead money on his deal. Even a 75 percent Watt of few seasons ago is worth his cap but only a person with blinders on is not concerned. He seemed to do well in regards to back and groin health issues before the knee so game one ready to go even if no 100 % seems likely.
What I like is the way his contract was designed; as he didn't play it looks like money thrown away. However, if he had played 2016 & 2017 as he did 2014 and 2015 the $14 million cap each for last two years would be very reasonable if not down right cheap. Must note that 2018 becomes guaranteed regular game one.
What I don't like and am concerned about is the Watt of last two seasons having the same in 2018; who is behind him? I do get & have argued that team had other needs. So let's look at low cost but also low productivity the last two years when they coulda, shoulda but didn't step up: Covington, Heath, Dunn, Watkins, Kamalu OLB but DE in college and size. I'm hopeful my favorite Watkins has breakout second season.
Possibly Reader could take over as he did play substantial snaps at DE very successfully with others manning the nose. 2017: 14 games 47 tackles 3 for loss with one sack but 6 QB hits. Dude can move and should be even faster as I understand he has dropped some of the 325 pounds from last year and allegedly gained strength under new coach. 5th round pick now 24 YOA with two very cheap years left on first contract. Seemingly way to go if JJ not on field.
Clowney at DE would probably be a better option if healthy.
I think I may have to go back on antacids for regular season.
What I like is the way his contract was designed; as he didn't play it looks like money thrown away. However, if he had played 2016 & 2017 as he did 2014 and 2015 the $14 million cap each for last two years would be very reasonable if not down right cheap. Must note that 2018 becomes guaranteed regular game one.
What I don't like and am concerned about is the Watt of last two seasons having the same in 2018; who is behind him? I do get & have argued that team had other needs. So let's look at low cost but also low productivity the last two years when they coulda, shoulda but didn't step up: Covington, Heath, Dunn, Watkins, Kamalu OLB but DE in college and size. I'm hopeful my favorite Watkins has breakout second season.
Possibly Reader could take over as he did play substantial snaps at DE very successfully with others manning the nose. 2017: 14 games 47 tackles 3 for loss with one sack but 6 QB hits. Dude can move and should be even faster as I understand he has dropped some of the 325 pounds from last year and allegedly gained strength under new coach. 5th round pick now 24 YOA with two very cheap years left on first contract. Seemingly way to go if JJ not on field.
Clowney at DE would probably be a better option if healthy.
I think I may have to go back on antacids for regular season.
CloakNNNdagger
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OddsShark the playoff odds for all 32 teams:
New England -1500
Pittsburgh -550
Philadelphia -260
Minnesota -260
Green Bay -170
Los Angeles Rams -170
Los Angeles Chargers -145
Jacksonville -140
Houston -135
New Orleans -130
Atlanta +115
Kansas City +120
Carolina +130
Baltimore +135
San Francisco +135
Dallas +145
Tennessee +165
Oakland +165
Seattle +220
Detroit +260
Denver +275
New York Giants +325
Indianapolis +325
Washington +375
Cincinnati +400
Tampa Bay +425
Chicago +450
Buffalo +450
New York Jets +600
Miami +600
Cleveland +600
Arizona +800
New England -1500
Pittsburgh -550
Philadelphia -260
Minnesota -260
Green Bay -170
Los Angeles Rams -170
Los Angeles Chargers -145
Jacksonville -140
Houston -135
New Orleans -130
Atlanta +115
Kansas City +120
Carolina +130
Baltimore +135
San Francisco +135
Dallas +145
Tennessee +165
Oakland +165
Seattle +220
Detroit +260
Denver +275
New York Giants +325
Indianapolis +325
Washington +375
Cincinnati +400
Tampa Bay +425
Chicago +450
Buffalo +450
New York Jets +600
Miami +600
Cleveland +600
Arizona +800
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
It's this simple to me.
If Deshaun Watson is healthy: 10-6 and wild-card berth.
If Deshaun Watson is injured early: 4-12 and a top 5 draft pick.
Now if we hit the mother load of good fortunes health wise... A healthy Deshaun, J.J. Watt, Mercilus and Clowney. The 2018 Texans may go 12-4 and make a Super Bowl run.
Deshaun Watson to DeAndre Hopkins all day!
That connection could be special and break records.
DeAndre Hopkins tweeted as much earlier this off-season.
Save the odds for Vegas. We already know the deal with this team.
Can they stay healthy? If they can I see a damn good football team.
And if they can't I see a very awful team that will have a long year.
If Deshaun Watson is healthy: 10-6 and wild-card berth.
If Deshaun Watson is injured early: 4-12 and a top 5 draft pick.
Now if we hit the mother load of good fortunes health wise... A healthy Deshaun, J.J. Watt, Mercilus and Clowney. The 2018 Texans may go 12-4 and make a Super Bowl run.
Deshaun Watson to DeAndre Hopkins all day!
That connection could be special and break records.
DeAndre Hopkins tweeted as much earlier this off-season.
Save the odds for Vegas. We already know the deal with this team.
Can they stay healthy? If they can I see a damn good football team.
And if they can't I see a very awful team that will have a long year.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Don't forget the connection with Fuller. If Fuller stays healthy as well, that deep ball connection will be marvelous
Mangler
Toro de España
This is the connection I’m most excited about because usually a Watson to Fuller connection has an 85% chance of it resulting in 6 for the Toros!
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
And if they double team Nuk, it is going to open up a lot of options for DW4.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
You know, Coutee could be the receiver who has an amazing coming out party in his 1st NFL season. Everyone already knows Hopkins is going to get doubled teamed whether he's heading for a 900 or 1,500 yard season.
If Fuller does damage early and takes the top off defenses, teams are going to gameplan for him in trying to avoid this from happening.
What does this do? It's going to leave a LB trying to chase Coutee from the slot.....Coutee is going to be eating their lunches. TE's should keep the defenses honest while giving Watson his much needed safety nets.
If Watson stays healthy for the season.....Coutee could get Offensive Rookie of the Year.
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Mangler
Toro de España
Coutee and Bruce Ellington are gonna bring it!
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
An important piece will be having a running game dangerous enough for teams risking leaving a LB in on a slot receiver.
If DW4 can still threaten with his legs maybe that’ll open up more room for Miller.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Which is precisely why I continuously (ad nauseum) thump the table for a high quality back.
Foreman won't be much good until half way through the season.
Miller could have a decent season if he is used appropriately. If.
Then its Blue and guys we hope can do a good job.
AP might just be worth a try.
Wait, you say you want a high quality back ... and then you say you want to give AP a try.
Uhh..
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
There's no real chance of getting one now - hence my idea of giving AP a shot.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Dang, there goes our home field advantage!
NFL adds 15-yard penalty for grounds crew clearing snow for a field goal
NFL adds 15-yard penalty for grounds crew clearing snow for a field goal
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I’m just hoping the new OL make someone look to be decent quality!
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Texans' Zach Cunningham bulks up for bigger role
June 29, 2018 Updated: June 29, 2018 10:15am
Growing out his beard thickly enough to rival any hipster, Zach Cunningham looks a bit older nowadays.
Bulking up his body through months of haunting the Texans’ weight room and cafeteria, Cunningham is no longer a raw, fresh-faced rookie.
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Heading into his second NFL season, the Texans’ starting inside linebacker has made a concerted effort to keep maturing in every way.
“I’m all-in with the beard,” Cunningham said. “The guys joked on me about that. It’s something I randomly decided to do. I feel it. I like it a lot.”
Listed at 6-3, 234 pounds on the roster, Cunningham says he’s now up to 240 pounds after reporting at 229 pounds as a rookie.
Although Cunningham has built his game around his instincts and speed, he felt like he could be more physical as a run-stopper and blitzer by getting bigger and stronger.
“I feel pretty good about it,” Cunningham said. “I think I’ve gotten a lot better as a player. I’ve gotten a lot stronger. I feel pretty good about what I’m going to do this year.” THE REST OF THE STORY
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To put his weight into perspective, it's 6 pounds lighter than McKinney and 15 pounds lighter than Cushing.
June 29, 2018 Updated: June 29, 2018 10:15am
Growing out his beard thickly enough to rival any hipster, Zach Cunningham looks a bit older nowadays.
Bulking up his body through months of haunting the Texans’ weight room and cafeteria, Cunningham is no longer a raw, fresh-faced rookie.
Sign up for the Texas Sports Nation Daily Playbook for exclusive sports coverage delivered right to your inbox.
Heading into his second NFL season, the Texans’ starting inside linebacker has made a concerted effort to keep maturing in every way.
“I’m all-in with the beard,” Cunningham said. “The guys joked on me about that. It’s something I randomly decided to do. I feel it. I like it a lot.”
Listed at 6-3, 234 pounds on the roster, Cunningham says he’s now up to 240 pounds after reporting at 229 pounds as a rookie.
Although Cunningham has built his game around his instincts and speed, he felt like he could be more physical as a run-stopper and blitzer by getting bigger and stronger.
“I feel pretty good about it,” Cunningham said. “I think I’ve gotten a lot better as a player. I’ve gotten a lot stronger. I feel pretty good about what I’m going to do this year.” THE REST OF THE STORY
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To put his weight into perspective, it's 6 pounds lighter than McKinney and 15 pounds lighter than Cushing.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Glad to hear he's added weight to hold up against the run. It sounds like he's putting on weight the right way without sacrificing the sideline to sideline speed that made him a 2nd round pick. Very important to have strong LBs playing the likes of Fournette, Henry and whoever runs behind the Colts revamped OL this season.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Here's a story I missed.
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C.E. KING HIGH SCHOOL RECEIVES DONATED FIELD AFTER HURRICANE DEVASTATION
May 15, 2018
Houston, TX (May 15, 2018) – Hellas Construction is continuing efforts to provide hurricane relief by donating the Matrix® Turf with Helix Technology football field from NRG Stadium, home of the Houston Texans, to C.E. King High School in Houston. C.E. King High School was underwater after Hurricane Harvey, both the school and the athletic facilities were all severely damaged.
C.E. King is the only high school in the Sheldon ISD school district, located in northeast Harris County. The hurricane damaged four out of the eleven district schools. Hellas lead recovery efforts on the football field and track. The school was closed until January, with classes being held at several of the other campuses in the district.
C.E. King High School Athletic Director and Head Football Coach Derek Fitzhenry said, "With the flooding came sewer water covering everything including the football field. The fire department washed it off, then Hellas came in and cleaned and sanitized our turf. It allowed us to play our first game. We had students and staff displaced from their homes but when it came time for the games, the parents and community responded and were there to support our players. Our kids had a successful year and due to Hellas, the seniors enjoyed their senior year playing all five home games at their home stadium."
Hellas went to Harris County, owner of NRG Stadium, and recommended C.E. King High School be the first recipient of the Houston Texans turf donation. Before the hurricanes, Hellas had signed a three-year contract with Harris County to install a new Matrix Helix field each year at NRG Stadium after the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo. The removed turf was to be donated to an organization in need. The donation committee agreed, Hellas will begin installing the 2017-2018 Houston Texans turf at C.E. King this month.
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C.E. KING HIGH SCHOOL RECEIVES DONATED FIELD AFTER HURRICANE DEVASTATION
May 15, 2018
Houston, TX (May 15, 2018) – Hellas Construction is continuing efforts to provide hurricane relief by donating the Matrix® Turf with Helix Technology football field from NRG Stadium, home of the Houston Texans, to C.E. King High School in Houston. C.E. King High School was underwater after Hurricane Harvey, both the school and the athletic facilities were all severely damaged.
C.E. King is the only high school in the Sheldon ISD school district, located in northeast Harris County. The hurricane damaged four out of the eleven district schools. Hellas lead recovery efforts on the football field and track. The school was closed until January, with classes being held at several of the other campuses in the district.
C.E. King High School Athletic Director and Head Football Coach Derek Fitzhenry said, "With the flooding came sewer water covering everything including the football field. The fire department washed it off, then Hellas came in and cleaned and sanitized our turf. It allowed us to play our first game. We had students and staff displaced from their homes but when it came time for the games, the parents and community responded and were there to support our players. Our kids had a successful year and due to Hellas, the seniors enjoyed their senior year playing all five home games at their home stadium."
Hellas went to Harris County, owner of NRG Stadium, and recommended C.E. King High School be the first recipient of the Houston Texans turf donation. Before the hurricanes, Hellas had signed a three-year contract with Harris County to install a new Matrix Helix field each year at NRG Stadium after the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo. The removed turf was to be donated to an organization in need. The donation committee agreed, Hellas will begin installing the 2017-2018 Houston Texans turf at C.E. King this month.
PapaL
Loose Screw
NFL executives grade every team's offseason
http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/23696198/nfl-offseason-grades-all-32-teams-nfl-executives
ESPN Insider:
Houston Texans
Grade: C+
Head coach Bill O'Brien and former GM Rick Smith fell out of alignment, which makes the hiring of Brian Gaine as Smith's successor a potentially important move for long-term success. The defense could be better off with Romeo Crennel retaking control of playcalling duties. Also on the positive side, an exec said he thought the Texans were probably "doing backflips" after Stanford safety Justin Reid remained available for them in the third round. Adding Tyrann Mathieu on a one-year deal carries the potential for a big payoff.
Unfortunately for the Texans, the quarterback moves they made last offseason -- trading up for Deshaun Watson, giving up on Brock Osweiler -- left the team without any picks until the third round this year. The Texans have glaring holes along the offensive line, which seems problematic with Watson returning from ACL surgery. However, it's not as though quality linemen were readily available through the draft or free agency.
"Let's flip it and look at Cleveland," an exec said. "Cleveland had the exact same needs on the offensive line, with all the resources in the world, and still didn't get it done. Cleveland could have taken [Mike] McGlinchey, and maybe that would have made more sense than taking Denzel Ward. Houston just didn't have the resources, and it will be interesting to see if Watson can stay healthy. If he's getting hit a lot, it makes me nervous."
http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/23696198/nfl-offseason-grades-all-32-teams-nfl-executives
ESPN Insider:
Houston Texans
Grade: C+
Head coach Bill O'Brien and former GM Rick Smith fell out of alignment, which makes the hiring of Brian Gaine as Smith's successor a potentially important move for long-term success. The defense could be better off with Romeo Crennel retaking control of playcalling duties. Also on the positive side, an exec said he thought the Texans were probably "doing backflips" after Stanford safety Justin Reid remained available for them in the third round. Adding Tyrann Mathieu on a one-year deal carries the potential for a big payoff.
Unfortunately for the Texans, the quarterback moves they made last offseason -- trading up for Deshaun Watson, giving up on Brock Osweiler -- left the team without any picks until the third round this year. The Texans have glaring holes along the offensive line, which seems problematic with Watson returning from ACL surgery. However, it's not as though quality linemen were readily available through the draft or free agency.
"Let's flip it and look at Cleveland," an exec said. "Cleveland had the exact same needs on the offensive line, with all the resources in the world, and still didn't get it done. Cleveland could have taken [Mike] McGlinchey, and maybe that would have made more sense than taking Denzel Ward. Houston just didn't have the resources, and it will be interesting to see if Watson can stay healthy. If he's getting hit a lot, it makes me nervous."
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Thanks Papal....another analyst who see the Cleveland draft the same way I did during the TT Mock Draft. Someone please tell, in your own words, how Bakerfield and Ward would do more for the Browns over the next 3 seasons versus what Barkley and McGlinchey would potentially do during the same time.