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Being that we’re the worst team in the AFC South, are we or should we be happy for the Jaguars?

steelbtexan said:
This is the yr Dorsey and co get this thing turned around. The Browns may have sucked but Sashi left the Browns in a great spot in the draft in FA and the draft. (Thanks Ricky)

If Darnold/Rosen (Who I think are both franchise QB's) can produce like I think they can. Believe it or not the Browns future is very bright now that they've brought in Dorsey/Wolf/Highsmith.
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With a competent FO, the Browns can only get better now. Specially with all them high picks they have and free agency. They’ll probably be like this year’s Jags.
 
Last year at this time I said the Cleveland Browns better draft Deshaun Watson or else they're going 0-16 in 2017. And they did go 0-16!

I don't care who they select in the upcoming draft with all those top picks, the Browns are going 0-16 again in 2018! They are currently 1-31 with Huey Jackson as head coach. 1 win in 32 games!!!!!!
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Last year at this time I said the Cleveland Browns better draft Deshaun Watson or else they're going 0-16 in 2017. And they did go 0-16!

I don't care who they select in the upcoming draft with all those top picks, the Browns are going 0-16 again in 2018! They are currently 1-31 with Huey Jackson as head coach. 1 win in 32 games!!!!!!
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I seriously doubt they’ll go 0-16 in 2018.
 
Cannot emphasize enough the importance of talent evaluation. All levels, College and Pro. If Jacksonville can do it so can Houston and Cleveland.

Don’t hate Jacksonville for what they’ve done rejoice in the fact that it can be done with the proper blueprint. I’m sick and tired of New England winning at all costs give me the Eagles (who traded away their 1st and 2nd rd picks to move up for Wentz) or Vikings (who traded away their 1st rd pick for Bradford). Ironic both players out for playoffs but not their teams. Or Jacksonville who were so bad, selected 4th overall in 2017 draft now facing off in Foxboro against Patriots.

Question should be, who are you going to pull for?
 
beerlover said:
Cannot emphasize enough the importance of talent evaluation. All levels, College and Pro. If Jacksonville can do it so can Houston and Cleveland.

Don’t hate Jacksonville for what they’ve done rejoice in the fact that it can be done with the proper blueprint. I’m sick and tired of New England winning at all costs give me the Eagles (who traded away their 1st and 2nd rd picks to move up for Wentz) or Vikings (who traded away their 1st rd pick for Bradford). Ironic both players out for playoffs but not their teams. Or Jacksonville who were so bad, selected 4th overall in 2017 draft now facing off in Foxboro against Patriots.

Question should be, who are you going to pull for?
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I'm pulling for the Vikings, the Texans weren't far away from where the Vikings were last season. Vikings had a great offseason, the Texans had a terrible offseason. Maybe Gaine will have a great offseason and in a couple of yrs the Texans org can be where the Vikings are.

Philly/Vikes/Jags were willing to put out the FA $$$$ and take chances like trading for Wentz/Bradford/Cooks and look where they are today. I'm hoping the new GM can change the McNair's viewpoints on not doing anything too traumatic.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm pulling for the Vikings, the Texans weren't far away from where the Vikings were last season. Vikings had a great offseason, the Texans had a terrible offseason. Maybe Gaine will have a great offseason and in a couple of yrs the Texans org can be where the Vikings are.

Philly/Vikes/Jags were willing to put out the FA $$$$ and take chances like trading for Wentz/Bradford/Cooks and look where they are today. I'm hoping the new GM can change the McNair's viewpoints on not doing anything too traumatic.
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Well the Vikings were 8-8 last year.

They hired Zimmer in 2014 after going 5-10-1 and that's when they started to turn it around. Still took several years.

Their GM has been there since 2012.
 
TheKDog said:
Well the Vikings were 8-8 last year.

They hired Zimmer in 2014 after going 5-10-1 and that's when they started to turn it around. Still took several years.

Their GM has been there since 2012.
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So you're saying there's hope?

Amazing what can happen when the HC/GM are on the same page.

Just imagine if BOB/Ricky had traded for Bradford and kept Keenum and spent all of that cap space that they didn't spend on Os fixing the OL like the Vikes did.
 
steelbtexan said:
So you're saying there's hope?

Amazing what can happen when the HC/GM are on the same page.
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Yeah but I think it will take time. Doubtful they do an immediate turnaround.

I would actually hope they trade down and acquire more picks
 
steelbtexan said:
So you're saying there's hope?

Amazing what can happen when the HC/GM are on the same page.

Just imagine if BOB/Ricky had traded for Bradford and kept Keenum and spent all of that cap space that they didn't spend on Os fixing the OL like the Vikes did.
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I don't believe jack sh!t about anything yet, good or bad, when it comes to our "new" administration.

By default I don't trust the Texans organization, nor can I comprehend them or the things they do.
 
TheKDog said:
Yeah but I think it will take time. Doubtful they do an immediate turnaround.

I would actually hope they trade down and acquire more picks
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You are really rolling the dice (Character guys) if you are trying to find starters after the 3rd rd. It can be done but it's a real crapshoot.

I do think it's going to take a couple of yrs of great drafting AND FA to catch up to the Jags.
 
Thorn said:
I don't believe jack sh!t about anything yet, good or bad, when it comes to our "new" administration.

By default I don't trust the Texans organization, nor can I comprehend them or the things they do.
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Me either.

Trust is earned and the Texans org will have to earn my trust.
 
steelbtexan said:
You are really rolling the dice (Character guys) if you are trying to find starters after the 3rd rd. It can be done but it's a real crapshoot.

I do think it's going to take a couple of yrs of great drafting AND FA to catch up to the Jags.
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A lot of the draft is a crapshoot anyway, after the top elite guys. At this point I think we just have a ton of holes to fill
 
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There's nothing saying the Texans can't sign a few gems in free agency, then get ridiculously lucky in the draft and win the SB next year. Statistically, stranger things probably occur in the universe, we just haven't seen them yet.
 
Mangler said:
Damn, the McNairs ain’t playing around. They’re getting rid of Rick Smith’s boys!

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chro...t-ways-with-director-of-football-12503070.php
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I think letting Lowery go was probably one thing McNair was alluding to when he said the new GM could bring in one or two of his own people this year to work with the current staff and evaluate if changes need to be made next year.
I bet Gain already knew who would fill this spot before he was "officially" hired.
 
steelbtexan said:
This is the yr Dorsey and co get this thing turned around. The Browns may have sucked but Sashi left the Browns in a great spot in the draft in FA and the draft. (Thanks Ricky)

If Darnold/Rosen (Who I think are both franchise QB's) can produce like I think they can. Believe it or not the Browns future is very bright now that they've brought in Dorsey/Wolf/Highsmith.
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Gets even better for Cleveland if Barkley slips to 4. Top QB and RB, not a bad way to start the draft.
 
steelbtexan said:
You are really rolling the dice (Character guys) if you are trying to find starters after the 3rd rd. It can be done but it's a real crapshoot.

I do think it's going to take a couple of yrs of great drafting AND FA to catch up to the Jags.
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I believe success in the third round and beyond pretty much depends on the depth of the draft, and to the Texans benefit, the 2018 NFL Draft is pretty deep in every position of need. The Texans could get starters in rounds three and four, then focus on players who might need some development time while helping to turnaround the ST unit.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I believe success in the third round and beyond pretty much depends on the depth of the draft, and to the Texans benefit, the 2018 NFL Draft is pretty deep in every position of need. The Texans could get starters in rounds three and four, then focus on players who might need some development time while helping to turnaround the ST unit.
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Haven’t we been trying to fix our ST for years now? I hope Brian Gaine can get it done now that we’ll probably have new scouts doing the searching.
 
Mangler said:
Haven’t we been trying to fix our ST for years now? I hope Brian Gaine can get it done now that we’ll probably have new scouts doing the searching.
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They aren't changing the scouts. Gaine is only changing 1-3 people. 1 was the Jason Lowrey, Dir. of Football Operations.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm pulling for the Vikings, the Texans weren't far away from where the Vikings were last season. Vikings had a great offseason, the Texans had a terrible offseason. Maybe Gaine will have a great offseason and in a couple of yrs the Texans org can be where the Vikings are.

Philly/Vikes/Jags were willing to put out the FA $$$$ and take chances like trading for Wentz/Bradford/Cooks and look where they are today. I'm hoping the new GM can change the McNair's viewpoints on not doing anything too traumatic.
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We took a chance on trading for Deshaun, which worked out. Now the Osweiler thing and trading up for Strong and Nix didn't. Trading up for Fuller and Mckinney did. It's not like we don't take shots.
 
zshawn10 said:
We took a chance on trading for Deshaun, which worked out. Now the Osweiler thing and trading up for Strong and Nix didn't. Trading up for Fuller and Mckinney did. It's not like we don't take shots.
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The Texans org has always been a reactionary org, instead of a forward thinking org.
 
steelbtexan said:
Hopefully this changes next offseason.

Ricky's guy Lowrey= Gone

A good start.
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Lowrey was our last bastion of hope for 2018..........I shall mourn his loss.

From the 2015 HOUSTON TEXANS MEDIA GUIDE:

Jason Lowrey is in his second season as the director of football operations and sixth season overall with the Texans. In his role, Lowrey oversees all aspects of team travel, including the planning, lodging and transportation needs of the organization. He is responsible for maintaining the day-to-day football operations budget and assists the Texans coaching staff in the coaches’ booth on game days.

Lowrey joined the Texans in August 2010 as the football operations manager after running his own local business. Lowrey served on active and reserve duty in the military as a Navy corpsman from 1992-2004. A native of Kerrville, Texas, Lowrey has two daughters, Ella and Aubree. He and his wife, Dana, reside in Sugar Land.
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Oh my... now who will make sure O'Brien's head set works and the extension cord is long enough and will print out all those "Denny's menus on game day and all that other critical stuff that makes or breaks a franchise?
:D
 
texanhead08 said:
It pisses me off to see a team in our division do this well, because it points out how mismanaged this organization is.
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I don't see that at all. It is not lke the Jags have been the level of consistant greatness since year 2000. Their fans have dealt with way more losing than winning.

Any team can have everything or near everything go just right and that has been the Jags so far this season. if they win a title this season it in no way is a reflection of our team and being barely above 500 most of BO'bs tunure here. That and falling way behind that record this season. This season really has been a matter of way too many injuries to overcome. I acknowledge that there are other problems but if this team stays mostly healthy it could just as easily be us having the kind of season that the Jags have had.

If all goes right I think we could at least win our division next season. Don't forget that the Jags don't have an above average Qb and we now seem to have a star Qb. That alone gives us a real chance at a worst to first record in our division and by a much better record than 9-7. I can see us win 11 games or more next season.
 
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The Jaguars' helmets are stupid enough to make me root against them. Those things are hideous. All matte black (like the front half) would look badass with that logo, tho'.

I cannot root for anyone else in the Texans division. I don't change boats midstream, so I'm not about to root against them all season and then bandwagon their success.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
I don't see that at all. It is not lke the Jags have been the level of consistant greatness since year 2000. Their fans have dealt with way more losing than winning.

Any team can have everything or near everything go just right and that has been the Jags so far this season. if they win a title this season it in no way is a reflection of our team and being barely above 500 most of BO'bs tunure here. That and falling way behind that record this season. This season really has been a matter of way too many injuries to overcome. I acknowledge that there are other problems but if this team stays mostly healthy it could just as easily be us having the kind of season that the Jags have had.

If all goes right I think we could at least win our conference next season. Don't forget that the Jags don't have an above average Qb and we now seem to have a star Qb. That alone gives us a real chance at a worst to first record in our division and by a much better record than 9-7. I also can see us win 11 games or more in the process.
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The ultimate talking out of both sides of your mouth post.

Might as well say injuries caused the Texans to have a bad yr. BTW, I hate BOB, he's a meany and sux really bad. But if the Texans stay healthy this meany will lead this team to another division title/win our conference. (I'm not sure you realize winning our conference means the 2018 Houston Texans will be playing in the SB.) LOL
 
steelbtexan said:
(I'm not sure you realize winning our conference means the 2018 Houston Texans will be playing in the SB.) LOL
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I misspoke and meant to say our division. However if the Jags can come from nowhere to winning our division and playing for the conference championship than our team can as well. You do realize that since 2000 the Jags for the most part have been an afterthought as opposed to being anywhere close to a contender. The only other team worse is the Cleveland Browns.
steelbtexan said:
BTW, I hate BOB, he's a meany and sux really bad.
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Are you speaking for me with this? I have made clear things I did not approve of in regards to coach. I have never called him a meany or anythying like that. I think he has used poor judgement at times but overall he is a coach I like. I also have been among BO'bs biggest supporters in regards to him returning next season. I have made clear things I did not approve of in regards to coach. I have never called him a meany or anythying like that. I think he has used poor judgement at times but overall he is a coach I like.

steelbtexan said:
Might as well say injuries caused the Texans to have a bad yr.
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I believe this to be the case however I feel all that is needed is a few good pick ups in the defensive secondary and us shoring up our O-line to assure ourselves a much better chance of winning it all or at least making it to the Super Bowl .

So, while I think there is precendent for us winning a title wihout a whole lot of changes to our team as it is, I also know that we stand a much better chance of winning it all with some pieces shored up and coach BO'b showing he has learned from some of his shortcomings. I also beleive the offensive up tick we had with BO'b and DW4 was a matter of coach and Qb being a perfect fit as opposed to the better offense being all on DW4 alone.
 
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Jax didn't really come out of nowhere.

They hired their new GM in 2013 from the falcons and have been rebuilding since then with high draft picks and free agency.

They actually expected to compete last year, but that shows how hard it is to rebuild.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
I misspoke and meant to say our division. However if the Jags can come from nowhere to winning our division and playing for the conference championship than our team can as well. You do realize that since 2000 the Jags for the most part have been an afterthought as opposed to being anywhere close to a contender. The only other team worse is the Cleveland Browns.
Are you speaking for me with this? I have made clear things I did not approve of in regards to coach. I have never called him a meany or anythying like that. I think he has used poor judgement at times but overall he is a coach I like. I also have been among BO'bs biggest supporters in regards to him returning next season. I have made clear things I did not approve of in regards to coach. I have never called him a meany or anythying like that. I think he has used poor judgement at times but overall he is a coach I like.

I believe this to be the case however I feel all that is needed is a few good pick ups in the defensive secondary and us shoring up our O-line to assure ourselves a much better chance of winning it all or at least making it to the Super Bowl .

So, while I think there is precendent for us winning a title wihout a whole lot of changes to our team as it is, I also know that we stand a much better chance of winning it all with some pieces shored up and coach BO'b showing he has learned from some of his shortcomings. I also beleive the offensive up tick we had with BO'b and DW4 was a matter of coach and Qb being a perfect fit as opposed to the better offense being all on DW4 alone.
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I like that you have convictions in your thoughts.

I disagree with most of this post.
 
TheKDog said:
Jax didn't really come out of nowhere.

They hired their new GM in 2013 from the falcons and have been rebuilding since then with high draft picks and free agency.

They actually expected to compete last year, but that shows how hard it is to rebuild.
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They've also had more than their fair share of injuries to high draft picks to go along with an abysmal offense. Bortles can't be counted on.
 
DocBar said:
They've also had more than their fair share of injuries to high draft picks to go along with an abysmal offense. Bortles can't be counted on.
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Yep. Just goes to show that we can't really count on a 1 year turnaround here. All these draft picks we are counting on may not pan out.
 
The Jags, along with Vikings and Eagles, just goes to show that you can make it to a conference championship without a franchise QB. I do like that they have challenged this widely-held assumption (one that I have been guilty of believing, too).

It certainly helps to have a franchise QB, but obviously not required when at least one team in this year's SB will be starting a not-so-elite QB.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
We shall see. You give the impression one bad season means we should rebuild with our new GM. I don't see it taking a whole lot to put us where Jacksonville is or better.

We just agree to disagree and that is cool.
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Not a rebuild

But it will take 2-3 yrs to fill the holes and build badly needed depth. In short it will take 2-3 yrs to fix Ricky's incompetence. Problem is although I like BOB, I'm not sure he's the man for the job.
 
Double Barrel said:
The Jags, along with Vikings and Eagles, just goes to show that you can make it to a conference championship without a franchise QB. I do like that they have challenged this widely-held assumption (one that I have been guilty of believing, too).

It certainly helps to have a franchise QB, but obviously not required when at least one team in this year's SB will be starting a not-so-elite QB.
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Any given year a team can have things fall into place and make a run without a franchise QB. If you want to win consistently though, year in and year out, that usually only gets done with a franchise QB.

Maybe this year things fell right for 3 teams, maybe not. We'll see what the Jags do with their QB situation moving forward, but who's to say that Case, and even more so, Wentz, aren't franchise QBs? If Case has found his place there in Minnesota, his first 38 NFL starts are very similar to Steve Young's 1st 38. And I think guys like Wentz and Watson could very well be the next generation of elite QBs that the Brees, Brady's and Rodgers start passing the torch to.
 
Speedy said:
Any given year a team can have things fall into place and make a run without a franchise QB. If you want to win consistently though, year in and year out, that usually only gets done with a franchise QB.

Maybe this year things fell right for 3 teams, maybe not. We'll see what the Jags do with their QB situation moving forward, but who's to say that Case, and even more so, Wentz, aren't franchise QBs? If Case has found his place there in Minnesota, his first 38 NFL starts are very similar to Steve Young's 1st 38. And I think guys like Wentz and Watson could very well be the next generation of elite QBs that the Brees, Brady's and Rodgers start passing the torch to.
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He wasn't referring to Wentz because he's on IR. The Eagles non franchise QB he's referring to is Nick Foles.
Sorry if I'm telling you something you already know...
 
Double Barrel said:
The Jags, along with Vikings and Eagles, just goes to show that you can make it to a conference championship without a franchise QB. I do like that they have challenged this widely-held assumption (one that I have been guilty of believing, too).

It certainly helps to have a franchise QB, but obviously not required when at least one team in this year's SB will be starting a not-so-elite QB.
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The Eagles franchise QB was very instrumental in their getting HFA throughout the playoffs, though. It's also well established that teams with exceptional defenses can make deep runs in the post season.
 
DocBar said:
The Eagles franchise QB was very instrumental in their getting HFA throughout the playoffs, though. It's also well established that teams with exceptional defenses can make deep runs in the post season.
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No dispute about Wentz, but that does not disprove my point. Three out of the four teams last weekend had mediocre QBs with great defenses.

Unfortunately, the truism of your second point is lost on our team. The Texans have had had no. 1 defenses with two different HCs and could never get past the 2nd round.
 
Double Barrel said:
No dispute about Wentz, but that does not disprove my point. Three out of the four teams last weekend had mediocre QBs with great defenses.

Unfortunately, the truism of your second point is lost on our team. The Texans have had had no. 1 defenses with two different HCs and could never get past the 2nd round.
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That #1 ranking is always suspect though. You can get it a variety of ways but if you really watch teams, you can see who's a legit defense & who's not. So every time folks talk about us having the #1 defense & having that #1 defensive ranking, The question everyone needs to ask is whether or not it can hold up for 4 qtrs against the likes of a qb of a Brady, Brees or Rodgers b/c eventually you're going to have to go thru at least 1 qb of that caliber to get to a SB. If you can't definitively say yes, then don't believe the hype.........Too many here did back in 2011; i had my reservations though.
 
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