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Seems like a case to be made for O'Brien after 3 x 9-7 seasons and then an injury filled fourth season but a promising young QB to develop. Just identify the problem *cough*RickSmith*cough*, solve it with replacement, and move on to potentially better things in 2018. If O'Brien cannot turn it around next season, move on to the next HC with a new GM helping analyze the situation.
Well for one thing it was 5th year after 4 years of progress. And the owner identified the problem (DC), solved it and had 10-6 & 12 & 4 the next 2 seasons. Seems to me his decision was vindicated so I don't know why this continues to get brought up.
Because although their record improved they weren't SB contenders.
Keep on praising 10-6, and winning 2 playoff games against the Bengals.
I'm sure that wouldn't be good enough for the teams they want to become like the Pats/Steelers.
Yep. He has always come across as a giant goober to me. He seems like the stereotypical son of a rich man that you'd see in some lame comedy movie. He has an office full of stuffed exotic animals that he "hunted" and often matches his outfits to match his dad.
Blah, blah.
Says you they weren't contenders. The Giants have 2 rings from 9-7 teams who got hot & lucky. The Ravens have 1 from a 10-6 team that did the same.
I haven't seen Pittsburgh or the Pats fire a playoff HC or GM for not being contenders. You're just pulling stuff out of your ass.
We will never agree, but losing 3 out of 4 games to end the season and losing homefield advantage may scream contender to you, but it certainly doesn't to me.
Nice of you to concede 2011.
Agreed. That 12-4 year if we hadn't choked down the stretch of the season (1-3 finish after being an NFL best 11-1) we could have locked up home field advantage throughout the playoffs. We may have had a better chance to reach the Super Bowl only needing to win two home games in the playoffs. Having to go to Foxborough for the divisional round was tough. Tom Brady rarely loses home games.They had a good team but once Schaub went down they weren't true contenders. I think you would agree that Yates isn't the QB to lead a team to the SB. So I didn't even bring that yr up.
I'm also not convinced Schaub was clutch enough to win a SB, but I sure would've like to have seen him get the chance.
So let me write my too long post or two on the structure of the Texans
This thread is flawed because Cal McNair is already a part of the decisionmaking process of the Texans (see signature). This team is run by a corporate style group-think posse which includes both McNairs, the GM, and the coach. Cal is just a part of this system as the others. Remember Papa McNair has already had a serious run of illness so the idea the Cal has little to no idea of how things are run seems faulty at best. In fact, he and Smith's relationship suggests that there would be nothing that changes if Papa McNair is no longer running the team.
By the way the group-think of the organization is very intentional as given the amount confusion that exists on who wanted this "player" or not. In short, it does not matter as much as many of the posters here think. all major transactions are approved by groupthink. Because Rick Smith is now family, it places O'Brien as the 'outsider" more than it should, but all indications that there has not been a major acquisition that he has not been at least "OK" with.
IMO, this group-think contributes to the roster never feeling like one that BOB nor Smith really put together, because BOB nor Smith really puts the roster together.
Not to mention, when crap (bad decisions) hits the fan, they're suddenly a "4-Man Brain Trust" in talent evaluation and decisions. They act like 4 kids trying to deflect blame...who did this? He did it...no, he did it....unn-unnn, he did it... No one in this organization has man'd up as to who was the real ringmaster in the Osweiler fiasco which has left everyone else out there to speculate. Anyhow...
What a nice fairytale you create. Except the part that they don't point fingers at all. They don't hang someone out for you. And pssst, you're not a partner or a shareholder. They're under no obligation to tell you squat.
I swear half the beotching and moaning around here is about not knowing enough to ineffectually beotch and moan about stuff you don't control.
What a nice fairytale you create. Except the part that they don't point fingers at all. They don't hang someone out for you. And pssst, you're not a partner or a shareholder. They're under no obligation to tell you squat.
I swear half the beotching and moaning around here is about not knowing enough to ineffectually beotch and moan about stuff you don't control.
Except Kubiak's side of the ball got continuously better. With 6 wins the O was 9th in pts, 3rd on yds. Best O except arguably 2012 when they were 8th in pts, 7th on yds.
Like I said in another thread, my preference is to see both pack their bags. I won't throw a hissy if both stay or if RS only is fired IF OB doesn't get an extension.
So let me write my too long post or two on the structure of the Texans
This thread is flawed because Cal McNair is already a part of the decisionmaking process of the Texans (see signature). This team is run by a corporate style group-think posse which includes both McNairs, the GM, and the coach. Cal is just a part of this system as the others. Remember Papa McNair has already had a serious run of illness so the idea the Cal has little to no idea of how things are run seems faulty at best. In fact, he and Smith's relationship suggests that there would be nothing that changes if Papa McNair is no longer running the team.
By the way the group-think of the organization is very intentional as given the amount confusion that exists on who wanted this "player" or not. In short, it does not matter as much as many of the posters here think. all major transactions are approved by groupthink. Because Rick Smith is now family, it places O'Brien as the 'outsider" more than it should, but all indications that there has not been a major acquisition that he has not been at least "OK" with.
IMO, this group-think contributes to the roster never feeling like one that BOB nor Smith really put together, because BOB nor Smith really puts the roster together.
Because although their record improved they weren't SB contenders.
Keep on praising 10-6, and winning 2 playoff games against the Bengals.
I'm sure that wouldn't be good enough for the teams they want to become like the Pats/Steelers.
What a nice fairytale you create. Except the part that they don't point fingers at all. They don't hang someone out for you. And pssst, you're not a partner or a shareholder. They're under no obligation to tell you squat.
I swear half the beotching and moaning around here is about not knowing enough to ineffectually beotch and moan about stuff you don't control.
So let me write my too long post or two on the structure of the Texans
This thread is flawed because Cal McNair is already a part of the decisionmaking process of the Texans (see signature). This team is run by a corporate style group-think posse which includes both McNairs, the GM, and the coach. Cal is just a part of this system as the others. Remember Papa McNair has already had a serious run of illness so the idea the Cal has little to no idea of how things are run seems faulty at best. In fact, he and Smith's relationship suggests that there would be nothing that changes if Papa McNair is no longer running the team.
By the way the group-think of the organization is very intentional as given the amount confusion that exists on who wanted this "player" or not. In short, it does not matter as much as many of the posters here think. all major transactions are approved by groupthink. Because Rick Smith is now family, it places O'Brien as the 'outsider" more than it should, but all indications that there has not been a major acquisition that he has not been at least "OK" with.
IMO, this group-think contributes to the roster never feeling like one that BOB nor Smith really put together, because BOB nor Smith really puts the roster together.
With this setup every decision goes Cal/Ricky McNair yes, BOB no, we came to a consensus, we will be doing what the Godfather wants. I also believe Bob McNair when he says he's never had to step in and make a decision/break a tie in this setup.
My question is if the McNair's have some kind of moral code when it comes to players they acquire (Say KJo over Peters draft pick) then why is Cushing still on the team. Also I wonder if a self made billionaire like McNair ever had to get his hands dirty in the process of becoming a billionaire? If he did then that makes his stance on acquiring only choir boys hypocritical.
Hey, Ken Lay being a Texans minority owner and McNair selling his Enron stock right before the collapse is purely coincidental. Nothing to see here, folks, move along now.
Hey, Ken Lay being a Texans minority owner and McNair selling his Enron stock right before the collapse is purely coincidental. Nothing to see here, folks, move along now.
Where do you get this? My understanding is McNair sold almost all his Enron stock shortly after the Cogen sale.
Houston Chronicle:
"It's not easy, being Bob McNair. Back in the old days, being a Houston billionaire was fun: Whether you made your fortune in the oil patch or, like McNair, you cashed in your Enron stock at exactly the right time, just before the soufflé imploded, life was lunch at the Petroleum Club and dinnertime ribeyes at Confederate House, and doing pretty much whatever you pleased."
It was also mentioned in a Houston Press article and a Forbes article years ago. John McClain has also mentioned it before, as well.
I've seen that article and it looks like nothing more than rank speculation.
The fact is the timing was destined to appear close. McNair had the bid in to get an NFL team. At the end of 1999 he sold Cogen & got approved for the team. The sale of Enron's portion was largely in stock. He began liquidation of the stock for the NFL deal and to put in a new venture Cogene Biotech which he started up in 2000. You don't dump $1 bil in stock in the market all at once unless you want to take a beating. News of Enron's fraud broke fall 2001.
I get that salacious is more fun but not seeing more than conjecture.
Look at the next line as if his average day was the Petroleum Club & Confederate House in Houston. Until the Texans came to fruition he had spent most of his time for several years at his horse operations in Kentucky, SC & Tennessee (which is where his educational foundation's efforts were focused). They owned those from 1994 to 2008.
And you're very good at summoning "facts" from your imaginary world.
I asked a specific question and this is the answer I get.
Happy Holidays
Hope all is well.
I already answered before you asked the question. As typical you didn't bother to read. I'm not infatuated with redundancy like you.
I will ask again
HAVE YOU HEARD OF A BILLIONAIRE THAT HASN"T GOTTEN HIS HANDS DIRTY?
I don't falsely claim to have knowledge about all of them like you.
I have heard nothing but this smack on McNair. I have heard nothing "dirty" about Buffett. I know in detail how Bill Gates made his money and it was luck rather than dirt. I knew Larry Ellison as he became a billionaire and don't know him to be dirty.
Back to your fact free life.
Bill Gates? Really
The govt had to break up Microsoft.
I'm done with this topic.
:kubepalm::kubepalm::kubepalm:Jarrett Bell
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As @NFL owners gather here in Orlando for league meetings, @HoustonTexans owner Bob McNair actually said this in defending scandal-scarred @Panthers owner Jerry Richardson: "Some of the comments could have been made jokingly. I'm sure he didn't mean to offend anybody."
1:56 PM - Mar 25, 2018
Sure, Bob. Insurance companies pay off "X number of millions" on baseless claims all the time. Can someone just follow this senile old man around and slap the microphone out of anyone's hand trying interviewing McNair.ORLANDO, Fla. -- Carolina Panthers owner Jerry Richardson has offered an explanation to at least some NFL owners about the allegations of sexual and racial workplace misconduct against him, Houston Texans owner Bob McNair said on Sunday.
"I understand what he's saying,'' McNair said on the first day of the NFL owners meeting. "Sometimes people choose to try to make something go away rather than fighting it. I think his regret is he didn't fight some of these things.
"We get confronted with it, too, where people will allege something, they get a lawyer, and what they do is come out and threaten you. And your legal counsel and your insurance people say, 'Well, it's going to cost you X number millions of dollars to defend this. And if we can settle it for this ...' [Then he goes], 'Well, wait a minute. We're not guilty. Why would we do that?' That's the question. Sometimes just to get rid of it, if you can get rid of it, do it.''
The NFL in December began an investigation into the allegations after Sports Illustrated reported that Richardson reached a financial settlement with three former employees who alleged sexual harassment and a former scout who alleged that the team founder addressed him with a racial slur.
Richardson, 81, announced that same day that he planned to sell the team after the season instead of waiting until two years after his death, as he previously planned.
"I know Jerry. He's an outstanding person,'' McNair said. "He was very candid in what he said and what he did, and sometimes things get misunderstood.''
McNair this past season had to issue an apology for saying "we can't have the inmates running the prison'' in reference to ongoing player demonstrations during the national anthem.
At the time he said, "I never meant to offend anyone, and I was not referring to our players. I used a figure of speech that was never intended to be taken literally.''
McNair wasn't comparing Richardson's situation to his, but he used similar terminology when explaining what Richardson told owners about the alleged workplace misconduct.
"I hope this thing turns out that he's innocent,'' he said of the NFL investigation into Richardson. "They alleged. I don't know. Some of the comments he might have made could have been made jokingly and misunderstood. I'm sure he didn't mean to offend anybody.''
The one thing he said that I can get behind is that players shouldn't be allowed to make political statements while on the playing field.
Actually his full comment was nothing political or religious.
Does he really object to players kneeling and crossing themselves?
I was just going to point out ninjas are Japanese.
I was just going to point out ninjas are Japanese.