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All encompassing Rick Smith thread
- Thread starter djohn2oo8
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To me, it doesn't really matter who it comes from. An unsubstantiated rumor is an unsubstantiated rumor. If someone wants to keep brining up a "rumor" that O'Brien wanted Garropolo I'll remind him that O'Brien wanted Hoyer too.
Hoyer was meant to be a placeholder even if Jimmy G was drafted by the Texans.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Big difference between wanting a placeholder vs bumbling a draft pick that worsens the biggest weakness on your team.
Texansballer74
The Marine
On a side note. If you're in Houston I pray that you guys stay safe out there.
Texansballer74
The Marine
They did not bring Hoyer in to be a placeholder. Stop pushing that silly narrative when you know darn well he was brought here to compete for the starting QB job.
That doesn't make sense, we already had two placeholders.
The starting QB as Mallett/Savage gained experience.
You know, kinda like BOB's doing with Watson.
I take that back, you dont know.
Who?
Mallett was supposed to be the starter, Hoyer the backup, Savage the young guy learning the offense. Mallet self destructed and Hoyer became the placeholder.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
OB's statements on Hoyer before he was ever a Texan say your conjecture is wrong.
You stack guess on guess and then repeat it enough you think it's true.
Link?
You really believe BOB thought Hoyer was the longterm answer at QB? Hoyer was just a JAG until he could find his QB.
SMH
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Little Shanny is doing the same thing in San Fran and he is heralded as an offensive genius in these parts.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The link and quotes are here in this MB several times. Not doing gopher work for you.
Yeah I believe that. Ooh a Belichick chosen and trained QB who just hadn't gotten a real chance. No reason to dump Fitz otherwise - serious flaw in your stack of guesses.
And this whole Garoppolo mythology you have created out of nothing. Texans most surely could have traded their 2017 1st for him. But they didn't. The obsession is yours, not theirs.
Texansballer74
The Marine
False statement as usual
Texansballer74
The Marine
The Pats wouldn't take Cleveland's first for him, why would they take the Texans?
I can't imagine BOB stating Hoyer was capable of winning a SB. His actions certainly spoke differently. If he truly believed Hoyer was capable of winning a SB I don't believe he would have pulled him as quickly as he did.
IMHO, he viewed Hoyer as a better fit for his system than Fitzpatrick, given his time in NE.
IMHO, he viewed Hoyer as a better fit for his system than Fitzpatrick, given his time in NE.
The story, per McClain, O'Brien was being interviewed by another team for their HC position. They brought up their QB issues, not being able to find a guy to provide stability for their team & grow with. O'Brien suggested they go after Brian Hoyer, who was the backup in NE when he was the OC. He said, paraphrased by McClain, a "winner" who just needed a chance.
This was before Penn State, before Hoyer went to Pittsburgh, then Arizona, then Cleveland.
We got Hoyer after Garapolo was already drafted by NE. Doesn't make sense to bring a bridge QB in the year after you draft a QB, or the year after you didn't get your QB.
At the very least, had we drafted Garoppolo at the top of the 2nd, he'd have been competing with Fitz for the staring job. We wouldn't bring in a bridge QB for more money than Fitzpatrick was making.
I think O'Brien learned Hoyer was ruined between the time he left NE & the time he came to Houston.
Great answer,
Read the post above yours.
Glazer made up that mythology not me. It came out in the playoffs is BOB staying or going saga.
That doesn't mean BOB didn't want Mallett to be the starting QB or Hoyer wasn't a placeholder until BOB found his QB.
Fact is we dont know, but I never felt at the time that BOB was annointing Hoyer as his longterm answer at QB. In fact many including me dreaded the thought of Hoyer being the starting QB.
McNair came out and said on the radio that there was more to playing QB than talent and that's why Hoyer was named the starting QB. In the process that's when Mallett flaked out.
I really dont care to rehash Texans QB history. It's depressing, but one thing is for sure every time McNair gets involved things get screwed up worse. Carr extension/Os signing and I hope Watson doesn't follow in these inglorious footsteps.
Texansballer74
The Marine
O'Brien is on record saying it was a quarterback competition. Are you calling him a liar Steelbtexan?
I think there's quite a bit of difference between someone being called a "winner" that just needs a chance vs saying a guy can lead a team to a super bowl. There have been numerous QBs you could call "winners" but I wouldn't classify them as guys that would lead you to a Super Bowl. Andy Dalton to me is a good example. He's had multiple winning seasons but hasn't sniffed a SB. Maybe BOB was saying Hoyer had Dalton potential, which is certainly better than Fitzpatrick but you're probably not going to the SB with him....if that makes sense
I don't know what the issue with Jimmy G was so I don't want to speculate on that
You're right. A bit of rhetoric on my part.
Nope
Doesn't mean Hoyer wasn't a bridge and not a longterm answer at QB.
Read post 1773 please
A bridge for what? We had missed out on Garappolo the year before we got Hoyer. We didn't draft a QB the year we got Hoyer & they obviously didn't like the QBs in the 2016 draft.
I guess Osweiler was a bridge QB as well.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The Texans didn't make a run at Jimmy G after getting burned by the Os signing.
Ricky had his eyes on Watson.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Well... maybe not NOW, but I've long been over the Rick Smith era.
ghostlight
Veteran
I hope today was an eye opener for owner and he fires Rick.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I don't understand how McNair can remain passive with that kind of showing on this day after all the buildup and hype following the hurricane. I keep thinking about those poor bastards in NRG Center who were evacuated but "invited" to a game watching "party" by the Texans. Why would they do something so cruel to those poor people. I hope they let them stop watching and walk away and they didn't make them sit through the whole thing.
Rick built this mess. Bill built this mess. I don't see how McNair can't see that. or see the problems the team has. How come we always get stuck with owners who have no vision, tight pockets, or some other fatal character flaw?
Rick built this mess. Bill built this mess. I don't see how McNair can't see that. or see the problems the team has. How come we always get stuck with owners who have no vision, tight pockets, or some other fatal character flaw?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Dear Mr McNair-
I find it funny that the man who built this mess enjoyed his seat next to you in the owners box. Did it ever cross your mind to lean over and ask, Cal's Pal Ricky what the heck you were forced to look at playing in Texans uniforms and playing in the house you built? Or, were you satisfied with the results b/c the house was full of paying customers? Or, was it easier for you to just stand up at the end of the game and just pat RS on the shoulder and say, "we'll get'em next week kiddo"?
I'm always blown away when some folks on this board want to jump into RS's corner when others, like me, want to put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the individual who rightly deserves it.
Oh well....
First, the unit the team counted on the most...defense...just rolled over and turned in a dud of a game!!! Maybe this was due to the ineptitude of the offense and they just lost all of their ability to "puff-up" and play through it. If this game was deflating to their mental make-up, then this is going to get ugly and it's going to get ugly in a hurry. Might make the 2-14 season look like a playoff run. No rush today, couldn't stop the run and KJax, for the millionth time cannot play CB when the DL cannot get a push and while I'm at it, he still doesn't know how to look back in order to make plays. KJax must be converted into a FS or cut if the DL cannot get pressure on the QB. Johnson must've played the majority of the game with his eyes closed or just wanted to avoid the physicality of the game.
Second, the offense....simple; no OL = no QB play = no running game = no points = disgrace!!!! OL...OL...OL...OL....OL, it takes a competent and talented group of individuals who are committed to success to make a top OL in the NFL. Hey RS, it appears to me and probably many others that you have built a fairly expensive house on the side of a mud hill; now you stand there with your hands on your hips and have the audacity to wonder out loud why it collapsed after the first big rain!!! I'm now yelling, you incompetent d-u-m-m-y!!! You've had OL issues since the 2012 season and have consistently fallen short of addressing this absolute area of need. This team has burned through QB's at a record pace that makes even the Cleveland Browns blush b/c you have done absolutely nothing to secure your offensive trenches. Heck, even O'Brien was in a pickle when his TE's all dropped like flies and he could no longer run any 2-TE Formations....oh, not for offensive purposes but to stay and block in order to give the team a better chance at getting the running game going and/or maybe protecting the QB a little bit better. Bill, why didn't Foreman receive more than 1 touch in this game which might've benefitted from his running style a bit more than Miller and Ervin's? Does anyone want to help me figure out where Savage is supposed to throw the ball when Hopkins can't break coverage and the other receivers couldn't get open? He did manage to get some passes off under duress and Hopkins dropped some of them, not due to the required acrobatics to reel in a wayward throw, but b/c they hit him in the hands. Between the OL working the turnstiles and receivers not getting open or dropping the ball, it can make any QB lose a little confidence. Watson came in and directed a nice TD drive but I might say that was mostly due to the fact the Jaguars had not game planned for Watson and the Texans took advantage. After that drive, they adjusted and made life just as hard on Watson as they had on Savage. At this point, if the same personnel start on the OL against Cincy...it'll be "Nightmare On Kirby Street" Part 2 b/c they will have game planned for both Savage and Watson.
Third, could I give the organization a pass for Sunday's performance based on what every player in Houston has gone through for the past 2 1/2 weeks....I could but this team played at home while dedicating the season to the citizens of Houston. No, I can't issue a pass b/c what doomed this team on Sunday were all the same issues I've been harping on for too many consecutive seasons.
If there are similar performances over the next 2 weeks...it might be a very good idea for the Texans to become sellers so they can try and recoup as many draft picks as possible for 2018 and 2019. Fire O'Brien and make sure RS is loading his boxes at the same time. 15 years is too long for this mess to be acceptable so a truly fresh start from top to bottom may be in order and fortunately that should begin with the 2018 NFL Draft and a new GM/HC tandem to start the re-building process.
I find it funny that the man who built this mess enjoyed his seat next to you in the owners box. Did it ever cross your mind to lean over and ask, Cal's Pal Ricky what the heck you were forced to look at playing in Texans uniforms and playing in the house you built? Or, were you satisfied with the results b/c the house was full of paying customers? Or, was it easier for you to just stand up at the end of the game and just pat RS on the shoulder and say, "we'll get'em next week kiddo"?
I'm always blown away when some folks on this board want to jump into RS's corner when others, like me, want to put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the individual who rightly deserves it.
Oh well....
First, the unit the team counted on the most...defense...just rolled over and turned in a dud of a game!!! Maybe this was due to the ineptitude of the offense and they just lost all of their ability to "puff-up" and play through it. If this game was deflating to their mental make-up, then this is going to get ugly and it's going to get ugly in a hurry. Might make the 2-14 season look like a playoff run. No rush today, couldn't stop the run and KJax, for the millionth time cannot play CB when the DL cannot get a push and while I'm at it, he still doesn't know how to look back in order to make plays. KJax must be converted into a FS or cut if the DL cannot get pressure on the QB. Johnson must've played the majority of the game with his eyes closed or just wanted to avoid the physicality of the game.
Second, the offense....simple; no OL = no QB play = no running game = no points = disgrace!!!! OL...OL...OL...OL....OL, it takes a competent and talented group of individuals who are committed to success to make a top OL in the NFL. Hey RS, it appears to me and probably many others that you have built a fairly expensive house on the side of a mud hill; now you stand there with your hands on your hips and have the audacity to wonder out loud why it collapsed after the first big rain!!! I'm now yelling, you incompetent d-u-m-m-y!!! You've had OL issues since the 2012 season and have consistently fallen short of addressing this absolute area of need. This team has burned through QB's at a record pace that makes even the Cleveland Browns blush b/c you have done absolutely nothing to secure your offensive trenches. Heck, even O'Brien was in a pickle when his TE's all dropped like flies and he could no longer run any 2-TE Formations....oh, not for offensive purposes but to stay and block in order to give the team a better chance at getting the running game going and/or maybe protecting the QB a little bit better. Bill, why didn't Foreman receive more than 1 touch in this game which might've benefitted from his running style a bit more than Miller and Ervin's? Does anyone want to help me figure out where Savage is supposed to throw the ball when Hopkins can't break coverage and the other receivers couldn't get open? He did manage to get some passes off under duress and Hopkins dropped some of them, not due to the required acrobatics to reel in a wayward throw, but b/c they hit him in the hands. Between the OL working the turnstiles and receivers not getting open or dropping the ball, it can make any QB lose a little confidence. Watson came in and directed a nice TD drive but I might say that was mostly due to the fact the Jaguars had not game planned for Watson and the Texans took advantage. After that drive, they adjusted and made life just as hard on Watson as they had on Savage. At this point, if the same personnel start on the OL against Cincy...it'll be "Nightmare On Kirby Street" Part 2 b/c they will have game planned for both Savage and Watson.
Third, could I give the organization a pass for Sunday's performance based on what every player in Houston has gone through for the past 2 1/2 weeks....I could but this team played at home while dedicating the season to the citizens of Houston. No, I can't issue a pass b/c what doomed this team on Sunday were all the same issues I've been harping on for too many consecutive seasons.
If there are similar performances over the next 2 weeks...it might be a very good idea for the Texans to become sellers so they can try and recoup as many draft picks as possible for 2018 and 2019. Fire O'Brien and make sure RS is loading his boxes at the same time. 15 years is too long for this mess to be acceptable so a truly fresh start from top to bottom may be in order and fortunately that should begin with the 2018 NFL Draft and a new GM/HC tandem to start the re-building process.
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TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Is this the get rid of Rick Smith thread?
We are on our way.
I've said this a number of times. All you have to do is look at the numbers.
Smith has been GM since 2007. He has the following results:
82-79 Regular Season record
4 Division Championships
3-4 Playoff Record
0 Appearances in Conference Championship games
The 0 appearances in Conference Championship games really gets me. Maybe to some this is OK for a GM whose been on the job 10+ years. I'm not seeing it.
Smith has been GM since 2007. He has the following results:
82-79 Regular Season record
4 Division Championships
3-4 Playoff Record
0 Appearances in Conference Championship games
The 0 appearances in Conference Championship games really gets me. Maybe to some this is OK for a GM whose been on the job 10+ years. I'm not seeing it.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I would also add the number of QBs that have gone through here and the status of the o-line. RBs Miller and Blue have not been good.
If he is in charge of the players outside of deciding the final 53 (who the hell knows), wtf has he been adding to this team? Where is his responsibility?
He can't continue to say the coach tells me what to get and I go get. Not my fault.
Good points.
Good points.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I just felt the need for fans to see this post again.
How many games has XSF started?
Flyingfish
Waterboy
Doesn't matter if you fire BOB and Tricky Ricky is still the GM. As long as Rick has picked the players, the Texans have either suffered or been mediocre. It was that way for Kubiak, it has been that way for BOB, and it will be that way for Insert New Coach's Name Here.
GM's like Rick Smith claim they pick the best player available. Unfortunately, the McNairs picked the first available Denver assistant GM that still needed to learn a LOT about player evaluation and selection. There is apparently a lot more to managing the Texan's roster than $$$ that Rick simply has not learned, despite having 10 years of unwavering support .
Does not make him a bad person, just makes him a flawed GM that will only hold the Texans back. Like a QB that cannot learn to read a defense, a GM in charge of player acquisition that fails to get it right needs to go. Fire Rick Smith, he needs to go.
- Who was it that let the best Texans OL go?
- Who was it that never drafted a development QB (that really had a chance of developing) behind Schaub?
- Who was it that passed on QB's to get Su'a Filo?
- Who is it that keeps drafting players that either are not healthy or need a minimum of a year on the bench before starting? How many Texans picks in the first three rounds have made an IMPACT their first year - compare this to other teams picks.
GM's like Rick Smith claim they pick the best player available. Unfortunately, the McNairs picked the first available Denver assistant GM that still needed to learn a LOT about player evaluation and selection. There is apparently a lot more to managing the Texan's roster than $$$ that Rick simply has not learned, despite having 10 years of unwavering support .
Does not make him a bad person, just makes him a flawed GM that will only hold the Texans back. Like a QB that cannot learn to read a defense, a GM in charge of player acquisition that fails to get it right needs to go. Fire Rick Smith, he needs to go.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Sam Montgomery and Louis Nix III. And where the hell is Jeoffrey Pagan? Is he even playing football anymore? I know Nix and Montgomery are both out of the NFL, sitting on their couches. Along with Travardo Williams. DJ Swearinger is on his 4th team. Alan Bonner has yet to play a down in the NFL. Brenan Williams is a wrestler. That's all just 2 drafts, 2013 and 2014.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Let's not act like those two draft classes were full of HoF players. Take a look at the guys picked around our picks. Not many players are in the league or making impacts.
Jaelen Strong
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Texian
Hall of Fame
What's worse is the number of drafts picks they traded away to move up to collect this heap of garbage.