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Brock Osweiler Shines at QB During Browns OTAs
The $16 million quarterback might be finding a comfortable home in Cleveland—Unless it’s all smoke and mirrors.
by Andrea Hangst May 31, 2017, 5:28pm EDT
The second set of OTA practices may have just begun for the Cleveland Browns, but it appears a dark horse has emerged as the team’s top option at quarterback this year. No, it’s not Cody Kessler, from whom the starting job must be pried, nor is it rookie DeShone Kizer, the man assumed doing the prying if Kessler is not under center in Week 1.
It’s Brock Osweiler.
The former Houston Texans starter for whom the Browns traded in March, presumably for a coveted Texans’ second-round 2018 draft pick, is on just the second of a four-year $72 million contract that the Browns took on when acquiring the quarterback. It was widely assumed that Osweiler’s presence in Cleveland was only temporary, with the Browns eventually finding a trade partner (and a taker of the financial share of the remaining $16 million guaranteed in Osweiler’s deal). But whispers have emerged from OTAs that may lead to Osweiler sticking around for a while.
A week ago, Osweiler reaffirmed his belief that he has the chops to be an NFL starter—”the proof is in the film,” he said—and this week, he’s drawing praise from an all-important source, his head coach. Following OTAs on Wednesday, Hue Jackson said that Osweiler has “been a pleasant surprise,” and “has done a good job.”
Jackson’s praise didn’t end there; the coach continued (per Pro Football Focus): “Since he’s been here he’s been outstanding. I don’t judge people by what everybody else says, I judge them by what I see... The guy’s been outstanding in our building and that’s what’s most important.” The Athletic’s Zac Jackson also sang Osweiler’s on-field praises, though he did note that the sample size at this point is still quite small:
Between Osweiler, Kessler and Kizer, Osweiler is the most senior and experienced quarterback on the roster and in these early days of offensive installation and no pads and no hitting, it come as no surprise that Osweiler is looking sharp. Indeed, throws against air with no pressure to be found are not areas in which Osweiler struggled as a starter, particularly last year in Houston. So it’s hard to read too much into Osweiler’s strong start at OTAs and come away feeling he’s going to jump to the top of the depth chart.
Jackson’s comments help, of course. They help assuage skepticism about the trade being made for Osweiler in the first place or about his ability to be able to contribute anything in Cleveland. They also help Osweiler feel wanted and appreciated as a person instead of the bag of dollars and draft picks that he’s been objectified down to in recent months. Jackson knows that he must provide incentive for Osweiler to make any sort of effort given the not-so-secret-secret that the ultimate goal of Osweiler being in Cleveland is for him to not be in Cleveland.
Thus, Jackson’s comments help in another sense—finding a suitor for Osweiler’s services this summer. The sign-and-trade Osweiler plan is not complete without that second, “trade,” part and time is of the essence.
There aren’t many months left where the Browns can feasibly trade Osweiler; indeed, they are getting down to the crunch time in which trades for players like Osweiler are the result of injuries rather than bona fide solutions to a roster deficiency. Talking up Osweiler’s OTA performance is a tactic to draw interest from teams still in the quarterback market. Jackson saying Osweiler has been “just okay,” isn’t going to get the phones in Berea ringing; “outstanding,” though, is a whole other story.
Perhaps Osweiler continues to be leaps-and-bounds better than the other quarterbacks on Cleveland’s roster. Should that come to pass, there will be difficult and probably unpopular decisions to be made in the months ahead. But until the assumed plans for him are confirmed scrapped, Osweiler’s strong showing at OTAs means that a trade partner for the quarterback could finally emerge. There’s no need for Quarterback Drama mode just yet.
Brock Osweiler Shines at QB During Browns OTAs
The $16 million quarterback might be finding a comfortable home in Cleveland—Unless it’s all smoke and mirrors.
by Andrea Hangst May 31, 2017, 5:28pm EDT
The second set of OTA practices may have just begun for the Cleveland Browns, but it appears a dark horse has emerged as the team’s top option at quarterback this year. No, it’s not Cody Kessler, from whom the starting job must be pried, nor is it rookie DeShone Kizer, the man assumed doing the prying if Kessler is not under center in Week 1.
It’s Brock Osweiler.
The former Houston Texans starter for whom the Browns traded in March, presumably for a coveted Texans’ second-round 2018 draft pick, is on just the second of a four-year $72 million contract that the Browns took on when acquiring the quarterback. It was widely assumed that Osweiler’s presence in Cleveland was only temporary, with the Browns eventually finding a trade partner (and a taker of the financial share of the remaining $16 million guaranteed in Osweiler’s deal). But whispers have emerged from OTAs that may lead to Osweiler sticking around for a while.
A week ago, Osweiler reaffirmed his belief that he has the chops to be an NFL starter—”the proof is in the film,” he said—and this week, he’s drawing praise from an all-important source, his head coach. Following OTAs on Wednesday, Hue Jackson said that Osweiler has “been a pleasant surprise,” and “has done a good job.”
Jackson’s praise didn’t end there; the coach continued (per Pro Football Focus): “Since he’s been here he’s been outstanding. I don’t judge people by what everybody else says, I judge them by what I see... The guy’s been outstanding in our building and that’s what’s most important.” The Athletic’s Zac Jackson also sang Osweiler’s on-field praises, though he did note that the sample size at this point is still quite small:
Between Osweiler, Kessler and Kizer, Osweiler is the most senior and experienced quarterback on the roster and in these early days of offensive installation and no pads and no hitting, it come as no surprise that Osweiler is looking sharp. Indeed, throws against air with no pressure to be found are not areas in which Osweiler struggled as a starter, particularly last year in Houston. So it’s hard to read too much into Osweiler’s strong start at OTAs and come away feeling he’s going to jump to the top of the depth chart.
Jackson’s comments help, of course. They help assuage skepticism about the trade being made for Osweiler in the first place or about his ability to be able to contribute anything in Cleveland. They also help Osweiler feel wanted and appreciated as a person instead of the bag of dollars and draft picks that he’s been objectified down to in recent months. Jackson knows that he must provide incentive for Osweiler to make any sort of effort given the not-so-secret-secret that the ultimate goal of Osweiler being in Cleveland is for him to not be in Cleveland.
Thus, Jackson’s comments help in another sense—finding a suitor for Osweiler’s services this summer. The sign-and-trade Osweiler plan is not complete without that second, “trade,” part and time is of the essence.
There aren’t many months left where the Browns can feasibly trade Osweiler; indeed, they are getting down to the crunch time in which trades for players like Osweiler are the result of injuries rather than bona fide solutions to a roster deficiency. Talking up Osweiler’s OTA performance is a tactic to draw interest from teams still in the quarterback market. Jackson saying Osweiler has been “just okay,” isn’t going to get the phones in Berea ringing; “outstanding,” though, is a whole other story.
Perhaps Osweiler continues to be leaps-and-bounds better than the other quarterbacks on Cleveland’s roster. Should that come to pass, there will be difficult and probably unpopular decisions to be made in the months ahead. But until the assumed plans for him are confirmed scrapped, Osweiler’s strong showing at OTAs means that a trade partner for the quarterback could finally emerge. There’s no need for Quarterback Drama mode just yet.
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CloakNNNdagger
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Thanks!
paycheck71
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If Osweiler somehow works out in Cleveland, it's on our coaches...
I wouldn't be surprised is he's mediocre to average there.
Our team had multiple problems. The running game and special teams sucked too.
paycheck71
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If he's mediocre to average, I don't care. He was sh!tty to mediocre here.
which is not necessarily a bad thing
TripleTap
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Number19
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Well, yes. But more than the coaches, it could be the system. More than just Oz, it's often the case, if a player goes to the wrong club/system, he's a bust. If he goes to the right club/system, he's in the HOF.
New OL, new receivers, new RB, TEs we didn't know we had, first time OC, first time starting QB... what could go wrong?
The problem is he got worse as the year moved along.
Plenty of people said to give Osweiler half a season.
Well, it was the second half that was worse.
badboy
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Gonna disagree. Osweiler had plenty of chances to show he could be an NFL QB and just did not. I'm definitely not a huge fan of OBrien but even with situations at other positions, I saw little that shouted the $37 million dollar man was even an average QB.
paycheck71
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Not that I think he will, but if he somehow lights it up in Cleveland to the point that they consider him to be their permanent QB solution, you don't think that reflects poorly on our coaches? I didn't know what exactly to expect out of Os when he got here last year, but I expected more than what we got based on his few starts in Denver.
austins23
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No way this cat does better in Cleveland. He gets the pleasure of playing the Ravens, Bengals, and Steelers twice. All good to real good defenses. He couldn't light up the Titans, Colts, or Jags. No defensive juggernauts, to be sure.
I'm no football guru, but know enough to see this guy is uneasy (captain obvious) in the pocket. Matter of fact, he looks like he's trying to get out of a burning car. Other QB's, when the pocket is crumbling, look like they want to get into the burning car and put out the fire.
I'm no football guru, but know enough to see this guy is uneasy (captain obvious) in the pocket. Matter of fact, he looks like he's trying to get out of a burning car. Other QB's, when the pocket is crumbling, look like they want to get into the burning car and put out the fire.
CloakNNNdagger
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As many WTF passes and many in the dirt (and almost all short), I can't help but think of this video when I picture Osweiler any more.
HOW OSWEILER THROWS
Texecutioner
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WTF happened to Osweiller though? I remember the majority of his passes being really accurate and on target in pre season. And I don't think it matters that it was pre season. We're talking about accuracy. It just completely went away once week 3 happened and it never came back. His slow release and wind up was already bad enough.
badboy
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Hey Doc you should know to avoid anything that makes you nauseous!
Anyone agree with me that we need emogie for someone up chucking? I know I'd use it a lot.
TexansSeminole
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I didn't watch Osweiler in Denver but for maybe one game. There is never a time that I have seen him be accurate. I remember thinking that we were probably in big trouble during the preseason.
Makes you wonder what Rick and Bill saw.
He beat New England, therefore he's a winner? When the chips were down, he played his best?
Definitely the hair they never had.
Texian
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One thing about Kubiak and evaluating Kubiak's young QBs, Kubiak protects his young QBs and only tries to put them in a position (play calling) where they can succeed. As Kubiak QBs, what you saw with Keenum, you saw with with Osweiler. You see a lot of play action roll outs and boot legs. With drop backs Kubiak calls plays with quick easy reads, check downs with options of getting rid of ball quickly and easily. Nothing to complicated, not a full playbook.
Everyone likes to point to the Denver vs New England game. The above is exactly what Kubiak did to win the game. He put Osweiler in a position not to make any mistakes and let the running game and defense win the game. And they did.
cuppacoffee
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"You see a lot of play action roll outs and boot legs. With drop backs Kubiak calls plays with quick easy reads, check downs with options of getting rid of ball quickly and easily. Nothing to complicated, not a full playbook."
So very simple. Makes you wonder why everyone doesn't do it that way.
So very simple. Makes you wonder why everyone doesn't do it that way.
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& lots of slants. Don't forget there were lots of slants that kept the chains moving. He'd bring them from everywhere so they were difficult to defend. Left side, right side, the slant, the TEs coming off the line.
& just in case someone got smart & played Andre for a quick slant, he ran past them for an easy go route.
"You see a lot of play action roll outs and boot legs. With drop backs Kubiak calls plays with quick easy reads, check downs with options of getting rid of ball quickly and easily. Nothing to complicated, not a full playbook."
So very simple. Makes you wonder why everyone doesn't do it that way.
It was about mixing it up & keeping defenses guessing. Making pass plays look like rub plays, a great play action/ bootleg game... timely mixing in downfield strikes.
Not just anyone could do it.
The signing of Osweiler defined the Texans... taking a risk (which was worth taking imho), showing some promise at first and then completely sucking, trading him away for a hefty price and not doing anything with the money we saved this season. He may no longer be a Texan, but he is still felt here.
Plus: there is the possibility he succeeds with the Browns. QBs in the wrong situations fail all the time. Osweiler showed promise with the Broncos and at the beginning with us. He has definite deficiencies, but also definetly some strength. And if he is at least average for the Browns, that trade was really good for them - and bad for us.
But then again, let's keep that dark chapter behind us. The future is Savage and Watson - let's look how that turns out.
I get all kind of warning buzzers, flashing lights and sirens whenever there is an unread thread here
I have a laptop from hell on my hands
infantrycak
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Not unless the discussion shifts to his time elsewhere. At which point a new thread should be opened in the NFL forum. This thread was about Texans events.
The ongoing discussion is about his time with the Texans and events with the Texans' HC.
CloakNNNdagger
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Brock Osweiler takes blame for 'poor decisions, poor throws' with Texans
ByAaron Wilson
June 15, 2017
In his most candid remarks since being traded to the Browns where he's drawn solid reviews from coach Hue Jackson as he competes for a starting job with Cody Kessler and rookie DeShone Kizer, Osweiler discussed where he regressed with the Texans after signing a four-year, $72 million contract.
"The best part is I'm getting coached hard on my fundamentals," Osweiler told Cleveland reporters. "And I believe firmly that when your fundamentals and your feet are right as a quarterback, you're going to make great decisions and you're going to throw accurate footballs.
"I think that's something that slid last season. I'm not going to go into great detail on that, but they did. My fundamentals slid, and because of that, you saw some poor decisions and some poor throws. If you go back to 2015, I feel like my fundamentals were pretty tight."
Osweiler was essentially sold to the Browns in exchange for the Texans sending them a 2018 second-round draft pick and a 2017 sixth-round draft pick, netting a 2017 fourth-round pick in the exchange as Cleveland assumed responsibility for his $16 million guaranteed base salary. The Texans saved $10 million in salary-cap space and $16 million in cash this season.
Osweiler won one playoff game with the Texans last season, beating an Oakland Raiders team that was without injured starting quarterback Derek Carr. However, he was intercepted three times in their AFC divisional-round loss to the eventual Super Bowl champion New England Patriots.
Benched late in the season and replaced by Tom Savage before Savage suffered a concussion in the regular-season finale that forced Osweiler back onto the field, the towering quarterback finished the regular season with 15 touchdowns and 16 interceptions for a 72.2 passer rating.
In his final season with the Denver Broncos prior to joining the Texans as a free agent, Osweiler went 5-2 as a starter and passed for 1,967 yards, 10 touchdowns and six interceptions and an 86.4 passer rating.
"I think I did a pretty good job in 2015 of protecting the ball," Osweiler said. "Last year, I didn't do such a good job. So coming into this camp and this team and this system, I had a very large focus on making great decisions with the football, and I feel like for the most part, I've done that this camp."
ByAaron Wilson
June 15, 2017
In his most candid remarks since being traded to the Browns where he's drawn solid reviews from coach Hue Jackson as he competes for a starting job with Cody Kessler and rookie DeShone Kizer, Osweiler discussed where he regressed with the Texans after signing a four-year, $72 million contract.
"The best part is I'm getting coached hard on my fundamentals," Osweiler told Cleveland reporters. "And I believe firmly that when your fundamentals and your feet are right as a quarterback, you're going to make great decisions and you're going to throw accurate footballs.
"I think that's something that slid last season. I'm not going to go into great detail on that, but they did. My fundamentals slid, and because of that, you saw some poor decisions and some poor throws. If you go back to 2015, I feel like my fundamentals were pretty tight."
Osweiler was essentially sold to the Browns in exchange for the Texans sending them a 2018 second-round draft pick and a 2017 sixth-round draft pick, netting a 2017 fourth-round pick in the exchange as Cleveland assumed responsibility for his $16 million guaranteed base salary. The Texans saved $10 million in salary-cap space and $16 million in cash this season.
Osweiler won one playoff game with the Texans last season, beating an Oakland Raiders team that was without injured starting quarterback Derek Carr. However, he was intercepted three times in their AFC divisional-round loss to the eventual Super Bowl champion New England Patriots.
Benched late in the season and replaced by Tom Savage before Savage suffered a concussion in the regular-season finale that forced Osweiler back onto the field, the towering quarterback finished the regular season with 15 touchdowns and 16 interceptions for a 72.2 passer rating.
In his final season with the Denver Broncos prior to joining the Texans as a free agent, Osweiler went 5-2 as a starter and passed for 1,967 yards, 10 touchdowns and six interceptions and an 86.4 passer rating.
"I think I did a pretty good job in 2015 of protecting the ball," Osweiler said. "Last year, I didn't do such a good job. So coming into this camp and this team and this system, I had a very large focus on making great decisions with the football, and I feel like for the most part, I've done that this camp."
Well apparently Osweiler wasn't good at slants and we took them out of the playbook. Would be something the FO should have picked up on when watching his tape.
I was told he was a troublemaker, a cancer, and had a bad attitude.
Of course, this was only when certain people were in face saving mode.
Don't get me wrong, Brock still sucks, but there was a lot of BS getting thrown around at the end of last year.
CloakNNNdagger
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BS? You can think what you want. I heard otherwise from several reliable sources within the organization.
What was the logic of starting Osweiler in round 2 if he was such a problem?
CloakNNNdagger
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You might ask Rick and McNair. It's hard to admit your multi-million dollar baby was a mistake.
But they already had admitted it, then they did again after the season
CloakNNNdagger
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Not before the end of the season.
TexansSeminole
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I could see that. Not a lot of room for error on a slant and he wasn't accurate.
There weren't many slants with Fitz, Hoyer, Mallett, or Savage.
They benched him in the regular season