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Houston Texans 2017 3rd round pick, D'onta Foreman, RB, Texas

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Oh I am familiar with the foot issue, but 610 played a brief snippet from an interview Foreman gave and he mention the hand problem when asked about his (6) fumbles this past season.
Right. The hand problem should not be an issue. It's the fracture which concerns me longterm. CnD thinks surgery will be required at some point in the future. The stress put on the foot will eventually aggrevate the fracture.
 
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Right. The hand problem should not be an issue. It's the fracture which concerns me longterm. CnD thinks surgery will be required at some point in the future. The stress put on the foot will eventually aggrevate the fracture.
Being a bone issue, it should heal faster than soft tissue - should get it done now so he can be back sometime during the season.
 
Being a bone issue, it should heal faster than soft tissue - should get it done now so he can be back sometime during the season.
This would be the best course of action. Except this type of injury often requires two, staggered surguries requiring 8-12 weeks of rehab for each. He goes into detail on the injury thread, page 43.
 
No, he has a fracture in his foot. He may think he's fine, but CnD beleaves the chances are high there will problems down the line.
Number 19, somehow you've misinterpretted my post in the Injury thread. He has not sustained a fracture of his toe. He has sustained a complete disruption of the structures making up the capsule complex of the metatarsal-phalangeal joint of the big toe (a severe turf toe injury). I'm going into surgery shortly, but I will post a follow up in the Injury thread later today.
 
Number 19, somehow you've misinterpretted my post in the Injury thread. He has not sustained a fracture of his toe. He has sustained a complete disruption of the structures making up the capsule complex of the metatarsal-phalangeal joint of the big toe (a severe turf toe injury). I'm going into surgery shortly, but I will post a follow up in the Injury thread later today.

You are correct, sir. I mistakenly thought you were responding to a post about Mathis. Please see my latest post in the Injury thread. I've tried to clear up the "mess."
 
No problem. It seems we have an excellent prospect in Cunningham without an injury history (surprise, surprise) and a good prospect in Foreman who has some "concerns". Mathis is an UDFA at minimum salary who is basically camp fodder at this point.

Mancz spent his first year on IR; as did Martin. I wish they would go ahead with surgury for Foreman, sit him out a year and have him ready to go in 2018.
 
Feel good pick but doesn't help the team in the immediate future. Should have selected the best OL available at this slot which most likely would have netted a starter. Foreman won't start and will have a minimal impact IMO. At least the Tyler Ervin experience is over. Blue is gone also. Hopefully Hunt isn't sacrificed.
Just remember your post as season goes along because I think you might be eating a bit of c-r-o-w. Foreman will be very good for this team. What makes you think he will have a minimal impact? He is a 2,000 yard back averaging 6+ yards most of which was up middle between tackles where none of our current backs made a living. He was a work horse 29+ carries per game. With fewer in 2015 he was over 7 per attempt. You need to bring something to support this claim.
 
...Foreman will be very good for this team. What makes you think he will have a minimal impact? He is a 2,000 yard back averaging 6+ yards most of which was up middle between tackles where none of our current backs made a living. He was a work horse 29+ carries per game. With fewer in 2015 he was over 7 per attempt. You need to bring something to support this claim.
The stress fracture in his foot?

At some point this will likely require surgury and likely 24 weeks recovery. And then will he be the same? Possibly, unless there's secondary damage. It would be smart to do the surgury now, sit out this season and be at 100% for the 2018 season.
 
The stress fracture in his foot?

At some point this will likely require surgury and likely 24 weeks recovery. And then will he be the same? Possibly, unless there's secondary damage. It would be smart to do the surgury now, sit out this season and be at 100% for the 2018 season.
Totally disagree..perhaps for a 1st rounder but not 3rd. Rest him until game one with a few snaps in preseason 3 & 4; this is a power running back who doesn't need much; will be running between X(better each year) either a better 2nd year starter Manz or 2nd rounder Martin who may beat him out and hopefully a 100% healthy Allen. Many focus rightfully on our low rated pass blocking but tend to over look or forget Oline was #4 in December IIRC run blocking. Also he is not our featured back. He will rotate with Miller at probably at a 3 or 4 to 1 rate which keeps him off feet and allows him to continue to heal. Not sure when he stressed foot but reportedly found at combine. Look at last 5 games: Baylor 32 for 250 @ 7.8 yds. Texas Tech 33 for 341 @ 10.3. W. Virginia 35 for 167 @ 4.8 Kansas 51 for 250 4.9 and finally TCU 31 for 165 @5.3. Total 7 TDs for these five.

He just turned 21 and dropped from reported 249 playing weight in college to 233 at combine. He needs to be used wisely but he needs to be used at least this season. OBTW, when did Clowney have surgery on his bone spurs? Hint..he did not. I don't think Texans drafted him to go on IR for 2017. He needs to play.
 
I foresee Foreman getting 10 carries a game in 2017

I don't think he'll get 10 every game but I think that's probably the target.

The top backups in the league get close to about 130 per season. That's around 8 per game.

I would expect Foreman to be around that number by the end of the year. I'm sure he will have some 12-carry games. And I'm sure there will be a few where OB doesn't want Miller off the field and he only gets 4.
 
I don't think he'll get 10 every game but I think that's probably the target.

The top backups in the league get close to about 130 per season. That's around 8 per game.

I would expect Foreman to be around that number by the end of the year. I'm sure he will have some 12-carry games. And I'm sure there will be a few where OB doesn't want Miller off the field and he only gets 4.

My feeling is that Foreman and Miller will be a true RB committee by year's end. Splitting carries almost in half, depending on opponent, and in-game situation.
And mostly dependent on Foreman's improvement in pass blocking
 
My feeling is that Foreman and Miller will be a true RB committee by year's end. Splitting carries almost in half, depending on opponent, and in-game situation.
And mostly dependent on Foreman's improvement in pass blocking

I agree this should end up being a committee by year's end and Foreman should be getting nearly the amount of carries as Miller. Miller can't handle the load and he needs to be kept fresh as the year goes on.
 
I agree this should end up being a committee by year's end and Foreman should be getting nearly the amount of carries as Miller. Miller can't handle the load and he needs to be kept fresh as the year goes on.

I don't know that Miller can't handle the load, but some teams are suspect on the edges, some teams are soft in the middle. I think they should feed the hot hand. Maybe it balances out at the end of the year, maybe one has more carries than the other. Doesn't really matter. The goal is to win, whatever it takes.
 
D'Onta Foreman 'adds balance' to Texans' run-first offense
7:18 AM CT
  • Sarah BarshopESPN Staff Writer

HOUSTON -- The Houston Texans were a run-first team last season, due in part to poor quarterback play but also because their free-agent signing of running back Lamar Miller paid off.

The Texans ran the ball 456 times in 2016, continuing a trend of high usage under head coach Bill O’Brien; since he took over in Houston in 2014, the Texans lead the league with 1,479 rushing attempts in the regular season.

Miami Dolphins, and including two playoff games, he had five contests with 24 or more carries, rushing 31 times in the wild-card victory over Oakland. While O’Brien said he doesn’t think the Texans overused Miller last season, he is hopeful third-round pick D'Onta Foreman will be able to “spell” their starting running back in 2017.

The addition of Foreman will crowd the backfield O’Brien and the Texans depended on frequently last season. Foreman will not only help relieve Miller, but the first- and second-down back will challenge last season’s backup, Alfred Blue, for the No. 2 job.

“[Foreman] adds balance to the offense,” general manager Rick Smith said. “[He] is a powerful runner, good vision, good feet, good foot quickness, so we like the addition for our running game for both those guys. Both those guys are high-character guys. Very impressed with our running back.”

In his last season at Texas, Foreman ran for 2,028 yards on 323 carries with 15 touchdowns en route to winning the Doak Walker Award, given to the best running back in college football.

“He was a very productive inside runner that broke a lot of tackles for Texas this year,” O’Brien said. "He ran to the outside. He ran to the perimeter. They attacked the defense with him in different ways, but he was a productive first- and second-down, tackle-to-tackle runner and that was impressive to me.”

Foreman is a powerful runner who is hard to tackle. The rookie said although he didn’t catch the ball much in college, he feels like that’s a “strong part” of his game. He also said because of the system Texas ran, he hasn’t had a lot of practice working on blitz pickups, but he thinks that’s the “biggest thing” he should work on entering the season because it’s such an important skill in the NFL.

Foreman will join the group of Miller, Blue, 2016 fourth-round pick Tyler Ervin -- who was primarily used on special teams last season -- and Akeem Hunt. Running-backs coach Charles London and the Texans kept four running backs to start the 2016 season, with third-down back Jonathan Grimes now departed.

The Texans aren’t sure what they will get at the quarterback position in 2017, as current starter Tom Savage has played in only five NFL games and started only two. Regardless of whether Houston’s offense gets more help from the passing game next season, it’s likely O’Brien will still be committed to the run in 2017.

“I think it’s just a matter of, No. 1, being able to control the tempo of the game, possess the football versus some of the teams we play,” O’Brien said. “I think all good teams, in my opinion, are measured by their ability to stop the run and also their ability to run the football. I think that’s a big part of what we do. We’ve done a great job of stopping the run on defense and we’ve done a decent job of running the football. That’s part of our philosophy. It’s not the only thing that we look at, but it’s definitely part of what we believe in.”

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I think Barshop needs to put more effort into her homework............O'Brien specifically said that he overused Miller last year.
 
Run first is being way over used. The Texans had 583 passing attempts v. 456 rushing attempts (36 of which were QBs so mainly designed passing).
 
Foreman played at almost 250 pounds when he gathered his impressive stats as a Longhorn. He lost 17 pounds for the Combine (certainly could have accounted for his fast 40). It will be interesting to see if he can play at that lesser weight and still break all those tackles or if he will be guided to regain the weight (while placing more stress on his foot).
 
Foreman played at almost 250 pounds when he gathered his impressive stats as a Longhorn. He lost 17 pounds for the Combine (certainly could have accounted for his fast 40). It will be interesting to see if he can play at that lesser weight and still break all those tackles or if he will be guided to regain the weight (while placing more stress on his foot).
His playing speed was plenty fast for me; I mean, the DBs could hardly gain ground when they chased him.

Outside of the injury concern, this looks like a great pick, or at least, a value pick.

With his size, as well as his huge mitts, I tend to believe that he can learn to hold on to the rocks better.

The same goes for his pass pro.

They don't throw the ball to him hardly, but when they did, like in the W. Virginia game, he caught all 3 balls smoothly.
It's just a matter of getting more reps to learn to space himself.

I like to see how he does in camp and preseason when they run some screen passes.

As a runner, I think he's a first round talent.
If he can improve on the above-mentioned skills, the Texans could have a very potent running game.

Against opponents that were stout in run defense, he still showed his worth; he looked at least as capable as Miller against the Pats (21-81 yards).

With a 1-2 punch, the Texans should be more capable of keeping guys like Brady off the field longer.

This will help our defense and our QBs.

I'm going to give O' Brien another chance to make the offense work and to become a better HC.
 
Run first is being way over used. The Texans had 583 passing attempts v. 456 rushing attempts (36 of which were QBs so mainly designed passing).
They could have rushed more if they had played with the lead more often. I can't see any team actually have more rushes than passes in this age of the NFL.
 
I like this pick a lot. Good addition to the Texans. Now if they could just focus on the Oline.

They cant focus on the OL.

They dont want to spend the $$$$ and now it's too late to pick up anything more than scrubs in FA. Too top it off they dont have their 1st/2nd rd picks to use to fortify the OL in next yrs draft.

Brilliance down on Kirby.
 
They cant focus on the OL.

They dont want to spend the $$$$ and now it's too late to pick up anything more than scrubs in FA. Too top it off they dont have their 1st/2nd rd picks to use to fortify the OL in next yrs draft.

Brilliance down on Kirby.


Yeah, pretty much. Between the Oz trade and then the Watson trade and pick, all I can do is laugh and hope that Watson proves me wrong. I like the guy's personality, but I'm not an optimist just to be an optimist like the homers force on themselves every single draft we have. He'll likely be exciting to watch I assume, but has anyone considered the chemistry and relationship between him and OB? I fail to see how that would be a good combination. OB and Watson as a HC/QB duo seems awful, and as you know I like OB.
 
Yeah, pretty much. Between the Oz trade and then the Watson trade and pick, all I can do is laugh and hope that Watson proves me wrong. I like the guy's personality, but I'm not an optimist just to be an optimist like the homers force on themselves every single draft we have. He'll likely be exciting to watch I assume, but has anyone considered the chemistry and relationship between him and OB? I fail to see how that would be a good combination. OB and Watson as a HC/QB duo seems awful, and as you know I like OB.

OB wont be here next yr.

Either by his choice

Or Ricky will help him get fired.
 
OB wont be here next yr.

Either by his choice

Or Ricky will help him get fired.

Which likely leads to a rebuild where a new HC comes in and very likely won't want Watson possibly. Lol!

I hate to agree, but I do think that their is a higher probability that OB ends up being gone after this season and I don't think that HC's will be lining up at the door to coach here this time around.
 
Which likely leads to a rebuild where a new HC comes in and very likely won't want Watson possibly. Lol!

I hate to agree, but I do think that their is a higher probability that OB ends up being gone after this season and I don't think that HC's will be lining up at the door to coach here this time around.
Unless it's a milk toast coach like Lovie Smith. Those games would rival the excitement of watching the Texans FO pick pimples off their asses.........
 
Which likely leads to a rebuild where a new HC comes in and very likely won't want Watson possibly. Lol!

I hate to agree, but I do think that their is a higher probability that OB ends up being gone after this season and I don't think that HC's will be lining up at the door to coach here this time around.
What makes you think this? I can't imagine a new HC coming in and saying he couldn't work with a 2nd yr QB who had a 32-3 record in college and went 1-1 against Alabama for the national title. Anywho, it's a moot point. Savage is taking over the NFL in 2017/ :kitten: kinda. On both parts.
 
I think OB is gone after this season and Vrabel becomes HC. The players love him and the two times other teams have sniffed around Vrabel we've paid up to keep him. If the reports of OB being a hot prospect around the league are true I wonder if we could orchestrate a trade to recoup a draft pick in 18
 
Which likely leads to a rebuild where a new HC comes in and very likely won't want Watson possibly. Lol!

I hate to agree, but I do think that their is a higher probability that OB ends up being gone after this season and I don't think that HC's will be lining up at the door to coach here this time around.


Only 32 of these jobs in the world .... Guy's will line up for it.
 
Only 32 of these jobs in the world .... Guy's will line up for it.

I'm talking about the top HC's on the market that everyone typically wants. Those guys don't go to just any team when they're a commodity. A lot of times top coordinators stay at their jobs and wait a year or two to try and get a HC job instead of taking jobs from teams like the Bills, Redskins now, and teams like the Titans or the Jags. I think the Texans were a team that a lot of coaches would have loved to have coached for several years ago after seeing the endless slack that Kubiak had, but I don't think that will be the case at all if OB leaves after this season and Rick Smith is still pulling the strings with Mcnair now. Not many top HC's with strong resumes will want to coach under a GM with a bad reputation that has already been through two failed HC regimes and nothing to show on his own resume. Plus, Bob Mcnair's reputation is starting to grow as a meddling owner to some degree. We'll have to see what happens. If things go well, maybe OB stays after this year but I just don't see this relationship with him and the Texans lasting much longer. I hope it does though personally.
 
What makes you think this? I can't imagine a new HC coming in and saying he couldn't work with a 2nd yr QB who had a 32-3 record in college and went 1-1 against Alabama for the national title. Anywho, it's a moot point. Savage is taking over the NFL in 2017/ :kitten: kinda. On both parts.


HC"s don't give a damn what some guy did in college if they don't think he has the skill set to be a good pro. IF that was the case they'd all have lined up to play with Manziel, VY, and Tim Tebow.

Lol on Savage.
 
HC"s don't give a damn what some guy did in college if they don't think he has the skill set to be a good pro. IF that was the case they'd all have lined up to play with Manziel, VY, and Tim Tebow.

well... technically they were all first round picks, so at least one team gave a damn. May very well have been another if that one team felt they had to use a first to get them.

It wasn't until after the showed their ass (rear in Tebow's case) that teams learned what they did in college wasn't worth the time.
 
well... technically they were all first round picks, so at least one team gave a damn. May very well have been another if that one team felt they had to use a first to get them.

It wasn't until after the showed their ass (rear in Tebow's case) that teams learned what they did in college wasn't worth the time.

No, that isn't the case. One team making a horrid decision says nothing about what the other 31 teams think or what other HC's may think if end up over there. It isn't uncommon at all for new HC's to take jobs at teams where they recently drafted some QB that doesn't fit into their offensive scheme or that they'd never want to use as their starter. VY was a perfect example of that when he was forced on Norm Chao and Fisher and the other OC that went over there when Chao was gone. The same went for Mcdaniels when he landed in Denver and questioned some of Cutler's skills and Cutler threw a huge tantrum. Chip Kelly with the Eagles was another one. I could name countless situations where this happened.
 
HC"s don't give a damn what some guy did in college if they don't think he has the skill set to be a good pro. IF that was the case they'd all have lined up to play with Manziel, VY, and Tim Tebow.

Lol on Savage.
Poor comparisons. Watson has much better mechanics than Manzeil, VY or Tebow. I'd say Watson is closer to Mariota
 
Poor comparisons. Watson has much better mechanics than Manzeil, VY or Tebow. I'd say Watson is closer to Mariota
He seems to have better work ethic than those three combined as well. I'm pretty optimistic about the guy because he seems to be very goal driven.
 
He seems to have better work ethic than those three combined as well. I'm pretty optimistic about the guy because he seems to be very goal driven.

Better work ethic than Tebow?? That isn't even possible.

The other two likely, but Tebow had everything you want as far as work ethic goes.

I get it that you're confident in him though. It's all good. I hope he works out. I agree that he seems like a great young man, and I'm not doubting his work ethic from what I know of him up to this point.
 
Better work ethic than Tebow?? That isn't even possible.

The other two likely, but Tebow had everything you want as far as work ethic goes.

I get it that you're confident in him though. It's all good. I hope he works out. I agree that he seems like a great young man, and I'm not doubting his work ethic from what I know of him up to this point.

If Tebow was that dedicated to his craft and truly wanted to be an NFL qb he could have gone to Canada and gave it a shot over there, to hopefully get his way back on an NFL roster. Tons of players do it, doesn't always work out but at least they put in he work to try, not just give up and go do tv.
 
Yeah, pretty much. Between the Oz trade and then the Watson trade and pick, all I can do is laugh and hope that Watson proves me wrong. I like the guy's personality, but I'm not an optimist just to be an optimist like the homers force on themselves every single draft we have. He'll likely be exciting to watch I assume, but has anyone considered the chemistry and relationship between him and OB? I fail to see how that would be a good combination. OB and Watson as a HC/QB duo seems awful, and as you know I like OB.

What leads you to believe that Watson and OB won't have a good relationship? You've admitted he is a hard worker and a leader, the kid is very humble. I don't see how he would have a bad relationship with OB, unless OB is just an unbearable coach in which case he should be gone.
 
If Tebow was that dedicated to his craft and truly wanted to be an NFL qb he could have gone to Canada and gave it a shot over there, to hopefully get his way back on an NFL roster. Tons of players do it, doesn't always work out but at least they put in he work to try, not just give up and go do tv.

This says nothing about Tebow's work ethic because he didn't want to play in Canada for pennies just to play one position that he clearly wasn't cut out for in the NFL.
 
What leads you to believe that Watson and OB won't have a good relationship? You've admitted he is a hard worker and a leader, the kid is very humble. I don't see how he would have a bad relationship with OB, unless OB is just an unbearable coach in which case he should be gone.

I see OB being a better coach for a pocket passing QB that understands defensive schemes really well based on his own scheme. Watson hasn't shown great vision at recognizing defensive coverages with his high INT rates over the last two seasons. It is going to take a highly intelligent QB to do well with OB in his system. I don't see OB creating a hybrid that is going to work real well for a guy like Watson like some other offensive OC's are capable of. I don't think that Watson was OB's pick at all either. I think he is another guy that is being forced down his throat, and for the record we should have gotten a new OC. I don't really want OB running the offense, but he is.
 
What leads you to believe that Watson and OB won't have a good relationship? You've admitted he is a hard worker and a leader, the kid is very humble. I don't see how he would have a bad relationship with OB, unless OB is just an unbearable coach in which case he should be gone.
Brock Osweiler did and said many of the right things when he came to Houston and we see how that ended up.
 
I see OB being a better coach for a pocket passing QB that understands defensive schemes really well based on his own scheme. Watson hasn't shown great vision at recognizing defensive coverages with his high INT rates over the last two seasons. It is going to take a highly intelligent QB to do well with OB in his system. I don't see OB creating a hybrid that is going to work real well for a guy like Watson like some other offensive OC's are capable of. I don't think that Watson was OB's pick at all either. I think he is another guy that is being forced down his throat, and for the record we should have gotten a new OC. I don't really want OB running the offense, but he is.

I will respond to this in the appropriate Watson thread
 
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