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Save us Savage!!!!!!!

Last week Andre Ware and Mark Vandermeer were discussing Savage............and I almost fell off my chair when they both agreed PUBLICLY (as Texans empoyees) that despite consistent Houston media reports stating that Savage did not play well in the last preseason, it was obvious to them that there was no true competition to determine the starting QB position. They, in fact, both said that it was blatantly obvious that Savage far outshined his competition throughout the 2 previous preseasons.

......lol?




I'll be so happy if Watson works out , I've had all I can take of the backup QB & the backup to the backup QB's being the most popular topic of discussion .....
 
They, in fact, both said that it was blatantly obvious that Savage far outshined his competition throughout the 2 previous preseasons.
I'd have to see Tom Savage stay healthy for more than two consecutive games before I can truly evaluate his play. And he's already entering year four, aka his contract year as a rookie.

Praise his work ethic, praise his knowledge of Bill O'Brien's offensive system, that's all fine and dandy, but people always say the best ability is availability. And while I hate hearing those words it's the bottom line when it comes to this savage business called the National Football League. No pun intended.

All I know is if Tom Savage tears an ACL this preseason (please don't happen!), I don't want to hear how he's the best quarterback on our roster and we must re-sign him ASAP.
 
So yeah all Savage has to do is lead the team to a SB win and the starter spot is guaranteed his, no pressure.
I'll settle for him being able to play in three straight games.
He can't even do that. And people think he's starter material?
Toughness and durability: I love those two attributes the most.
 
In the end, common reasoning has to prevail. Savage was drafted in 2014 and has spent his first 3 seasons on the 53 Man Roster or the IR. FO / O'Brien have kept Savage off the PS and have never uttered a word about releasing, cutting or trading him. During Savage's IR season he was constantly quizzed on playbook knowledge. O'Brien and his staff were impressed with his complete playbook knowledge and positive attitude during this period of time.

Also, have some of you stopped to consider that a lot of these QB's the FO brought in were part of O'Brien's game plan to help bridge the gap during Savage's development. Stands to reason, since the team didn't draft any QB's during that 3 year time frame....and there were a few "Franchise QB's" left on the boards by RS. I'm also fairly positive that if one of these bridge QB's proved to be a better starter than a bridge...then all the better, the team would finally have deep QB position. I suppose that was RS and McNair's hope when Osweiler was signed....to expedite the process but unfortunately that sort of fizzled out like a popcorn fart.

So, going into O'Brien's 4th season as HC...Savage is still taking a roster spot and he appears to be fairly certain he'd like to start Savage and give Watson a season to learn what Savage spent 2 full season's learning....all facets of the playbook. I believe the staff would also like a season to correct some of his mechanics and just get him better prepared to be an NFL QB.

If this is O'Brien's plan of attack, then RS and McNair need to steer clear and let this man do what is right for the team or fire him and bring in the HC they think could do a better job.
 
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All this support for Savage and he hasn't even thrown 1 TD. Is it really that hard to move on from that?
 
It'll be easier after I see him get the same opportunity Osweiler received. I'd like to see what O'Brien's 3 year development QB could return to the Texans. If the Texans hand the starting gig to Watson and he didn't earn it...imagine the looming problem:

- Watson potentially struggles and the Texans have another sub-par offensive season.

- O'Brien is probably fired for not having Watson ready to be a winner from Day 1.

- Savage and Weeden bail for new opportunities.

- Texans still have Watson but they don't have a 2018 RD1 or RD2 to get a new answer.

- This happens b/c the OL became a problem once again and forced the young QB into too many mistakes and relying on his ability to run far too much.
 
It'll be easier after I see him get the same opportunity Osweiler received. I'd like to see what O'Brien's 3 year development QB could return to the Texans. If the Texans hand the starting gig to Watson and he didn't earn it...imagine the looming problem:

- Watson potentially struggles and the Texans have another sub-par offensive season.

- O'Brien is probably fired for not having Watson ready to be a winner from Day 1.

- Savage and Weeden bail for new opportunities.

- Texans still have Watson but they don't have a 2018 RD1 or RD2 to get a new answer.

- This happens b/c the OL became a problem once again and forced the young QB into too many mistakes and relying on his ability to run far too much.

And if Savage could stay healthy for more than two games maybe he would get it.
 
Last week Andre Ware and Mark Vandermeer were discussing Savage............and I almost fell off my chair when they both agreed PUBLICLY (as Texans empoyees) that despite consistent Houston media reports stating that Savage did not play well in the last preseason, it was obvious to them that there was no true competition to determine the starting QB position. They, in fact, both said that it was blatantly obvious that Savage far outshined his competition throughout the 2 previous preseasons.


jayson Braddock and PatDStat have been saying the same thing for 2 years now during each training camp. Two of the reasons I have serious hope for Savage
 
jayson Braddock and PatDStat have been saying the same thing for 2 years now during each training camp. Two of the reasons I have serious hope for Savage
It's a shame that as opposed to the "old" days, most of the Houston sports media is satisfied to tote the FO line on so many levels. It used to be that there were always writers that were actually "investigative" and willing to dig into stories to find the actual facts, rather than take the spoon-fed reports handed out by the FO. Today we essentially get what the Texans want us to get...........as they shoot rainbows and butterflied out of their asses..........even more sadly, with many fans fighting to catch them as they come out.
 
FO / O'Brien have kept Savage off the PS and have never uttered a word about releasing, cutting or trading him.


That's true & should count for something. However, the same thing could be said about Alfred Blue. He was drafted as depth. Had a couple of good games as the starter. But they brought Lamar Miller in to take a spot above him on the roster. This year they drafted a guy who could very well take that spot.

If Lamar Miller decides he'd rather go on a mission to Chile, the Texans would most likely say they're comfortable going into the season with Alfred Blue as their primary RB.

But I bet D'Onte Foreman will be given every opportunity to become the #1 guy.
 
There was an interview with him , was asked which team he thought liked him most or that he felt most comfortable with .... his response was the Texans and coach OB..
File this under pure speculation:
But....
I wonder if that quote from Mahommes prompted Andy Reid to move up....? Reid was already interested - having seen Favre/McNabb qualities in Mahommes - so he's the one who "panicked" and moved up to make sure he got Mahommes.
 
It's a shame that as opposed to the "old" days, most of the Houston sports media is satisfied to tote the FO line on so many levels. It used to be that there were always writers that were actually "investigative" and willing to dig into stories to find the actual facts, rather than take the spoon-fed reports handed out by the FO. Today we essentially get what the Texans want us to get...........as they shoot rainbows and butterflied out of their asses..........even more sadly, with many fans fighting to catch them as they come out.
The Texans FO is extremely image conscious and highly secretive. Houston sports media knows who butters their bread so they readily agree to promote the latest flavor of Kool Aid being peddled by the FO. Today's sports media doesn't want to bite the hand that feeds them in interest of protecting their press credentials and their access to the team and management. As a result you can get a new pair of rose colored glasses when you buy the newest brand of Houston Texans Kool Aid being offered by the FO.

The last time I remember an objective report that was written about the Texans was done by Richard Justice. It was about the FO hiring practices and some locker room negative feedback towards Rick Smith. Needless to say Justice no longer writes for the Chronicle and has since moved on to MLB.
http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/...rr-by-recklessly-firing-assistant-1732812.php
 
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File this under pure speculation:
But....
I wonder if that quote from Mahommes prompted Andy Reid to move up....? Reid was already interested - having seen Favre/McNabb qualities in Mahommes - so he's the one who "panicked" and moved up to make sure he got Mahommes.
If anything, IMO, it's more likely that the Chiefs wanted to make sure they move ahead of the Browns to get the pick of their choice.
 
File this under pure speculation:
But....
I wonder if that quote from Mahommes prompted Andy Reid to move up....? Reid was already interested - having seen Favre/McNabb qualities in Mahommes - so he's the one who "panicked" and moved up to make sure he got Mahomes.


Quite possible Reid did make that big jump to ensure he got ahead of the Texans ...
 
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We throw the word panic around a lot but I don't think any team, except maybe Chicago, truly panicked. Houston says, and all signs seem to agree, that they had a deal in place with Cleveland and it was all up to them to pull the trigger if they wanted to. Deciding to do so is not panicking it's choosing to follow one of several predetermined courses of action.

Likewise I think the Bills and KC had to have least felt each other out in regards to a trade. It was a safe bet that another QB was going to go off the board at 12, if not Houston then Cleveland. All KC did was insure that they got in before then. Again not panicking as much as maybe going with plan B or C.

The reason I think Chicago panicked is because they traded away a lot to move up just one spot because SF had them convinced that Trubitski was about to go off the board. To me that was a bluff that if they had stopped and thought about it wouldn't have made sense. Very few teams that were in the QB hunt had the capital needed to get the #2 spot and SF couldn't afford to drop to much because they have so many holes they needed the high draft pick for an impact player.

Even if someone did take Trubitski there were still two other QB on the board and you just signed a guy to a high dollar contract. That's why I say they panicked.
 
If you don't mind me asking, who are the six 1st round QBs for next year?

Like I mentioned in another post...I'd probably have traded back to late RD1 or very early RD2. The asking price would have been a 2018 RD2 and possibly another 2017 RD5+ in return. I get my asking price and the draft could have looked something like this:

RD1/2: OT- Cam Robinson- Alabama
RD2-25: OG- Ethan Pocic- LSU
RD3-25: RB- D'Onta Foreman- Texas
RD4-24: TE- Jake Butt- Michigan or Jordan Leggett- Clemson
RD4-36: DT- Carlos Watkins- Clemson
RD5-25: LB- Jordan Evans- Oklahoma
RD6-??: SS- Josh Harvey-Clemons- Louisville
RD7-25: LB- Keion Adams- Western Michigan

This draft sets the table nicely for 2017 and 2018. OL- Check, RB- Check, TE- Check, Defense- Check. There's no QB but like I mentioned...2018 has got a very good looking class and the majority of these QB's will need no up-selling to justify why they are considered RD1 QB's.

Sam Darnold- USC- 6-4 @ 225 lbs.
Josh Rosen- UCLA- 6-3 @ 210 lbs.
Mason Rudolph- Oklahoma State- 6-5 @ 235 lbs.
Josh Allen- Wyoming- 6-5 @ 230 lbs.
Luke Falk- Washington State- 6-3 @ 214 lbs.
Jarrett Stidham- Auburn- 6-2 @ 210 lbs.
Lamar Jackson- Louisville- 6-2 @ 210 lbs.
Jake Browning- Washington- 6-1 @ 210 lbs.

My Sleeper:
Brett Rypien- Boise State- 6-2 @ 210 lbs.

If the Texans had fortified their foundation in the 2017 draft, then they would have been in a position to move up and take anyone of these QB's in 2018 and gave him the best opportunity to succeed. If Savage has a bang-up season behind the improved offense...Texans finally have the luxury of drafting BPA or fill needs. Remember, the Texans would have all 7 picks (each RD) plus their 3 or 4 COMP Picks. With 10-11 picks...the Texans are getting a QB if that's their absolute need.
 
If the Texans had fortified their foundation in the 2017 draft, then they would have been in a position to move up and take anyone of these QB's in 2018 and gave him the best opportunity to succeed. If Savage has a bang-up season behind the improved offense...Texans finally have the luxury of drafting BPA or fill needs. Remember, the Texans would have all 7 picks (each RD) plus their 3 or 4 COMP Picks. With 10-11 picks...the Texans are getting a QB if that's their absolute need.
No, the Texans would not have necessarily been able to move up and any QB they wanted. If the team with the first pick needed a QB, they would take that guy . If not, they could be offered a better package than the Texans could have. I'm looking at these names, and I guarantee that the QB draft gurus here will trash 75% before the next draft. System QB. Weak arm. Doesn't read the whole field. Too skinny. Runs too much. Hasn't had enough starts. On and on.

A bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush. Let's let the bird we have at least have a mini camp before bemoaning about all the great birds with beautiful plumage in next year's bush.
 
Like I mentioned in another post...I'd probably have traded back to late RD1 or very early RD2. The asking price would have been a 2018 RD2 and possibly another 2017 RD5+ in return. I get my asking price and the draft could have looked something like this:



This draft sets the table nicely for 2017 and 2018. OL- Check, RB- Check, TE- Check, Defense- Check. There's no QB but like I mentioned...2018 has got a very good looking class and the majority of these QB's will need no up-selling to justify why they are considered RD1 QB's.



If the Texans had fortified their foundation in the 2017 draft, then they would have been in a position to move up and take anyone of these QB's in 2018 and gave him the best opportunity to succeed. If Savage has a bang-up season behind the improved offense...Texans finally have the luxury of drafting BPA or fill needs. Remember, the Texans would have all 7 picks (each RD) plus their 3 or 4 COMP Picks. With 10-11 picks...the Texans are getting a QB if that's their absolute need.

There's one problem with this line of thinking .... It puts off till tomorrow what needs to be done today , solving the most important position in all of team sports.

Every year you don't , you set your franchise back another year and possibly 2-5 depending on if that guy is a hit or a miss.

No QB is going to come into the league playing at the pinnacle of ability and will take time to develop into a competent QB.

Right now we have a solid prospect and he's on his way to learning the game .... If we didn't make the deal to get him we'd be in this position again next year , pissing away another season.


Bird in hand is worth two in the bush.
 
No, the Texans would not have necessarily been able to move up and any QB they wanted. If the team with the first pick needed a QB, they would take that guy . If not, they could be offered a better package than the Texans could have. I'm looking at these names, and I guarantee that the QB draft gurus here will trash 75% before the next draft. System QB. Weak arm. Doesn't read the whole field. Too skinny. Runs too much. Hasn't had enough starts. On and on.

A bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush. Let's let the bird we have at least have a mini camp before bemoaning about all the great birds with beautiful plumage in next year's bush.


I didn't read this post until after my post directly above .... kinda funny aint it ?!


Yeah , break down all those QB's and by the time we get to next years draft only 2-3 of the dozen will be considered first round material .... and we'll all have a favorite outa the bunch.
 
No, the Texans would not have necessarily been able to move up and any QB they wanted. If the team with the first pick needed a QB, they would take that guy . If not, they could be offered a better package than the Texans could have. I'm looking at these names, and I guarantee that the QB draft gurus here will trash 75% before the next draft. System QB. Weak arm. Doesn't read the whole field. Too skinny. Runs too much. Hasn't had enough starts. On and on.

A bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush. Let's let the bird we have at least have a mini camp before bemoaning about all the great birds with beautiful plumage in next year's bush.

For me...this isn't a change of direction in regards to my philosophy. Before the Texans had this bird, I was adamantly against drafting a QB from this class. I felt strongly that the group was being over-hyped by the media and in the end, the Texans (RS) paid a big price to get involved.

I'm all about building solid trenches on both sides of the ball and this just happened to be the Texans needs going into this years draft.

Luck hasn't looked anything like the "Franchise QB" the Colts envisioned over the past 2 seasons. Reason? No OL, no running game and a lousy defense. Simple observation.

Prescott had a breakout season as a rookie 4th rounder who wasn't seen as a starter. Prescott's success was directly related to the OL, EE and the weapons and the weapons made available to him on offense.

By not choosing to upgrade the OL via the draft or FA, RS has made it tough on the QB's, RB's and receivers unless the OL rebounds in a big way.
 
but... but...
I thought someone told us it's always those "running QBs" that are prone to 'short careers' due to injuries
they said that classic 'pocket passers' live long and prosper
:D
 
Maybe Tom Savage will throw his first career Touchdown pass in the NFL if he can stay healthy for more than two potential starts in 2017? I can only hope year four of Tom Savage's career is a lot better than his previous three. He just turned 27 years old and is entering the prime of his career.

I read a nice article about Tom Savage in the Houston Chronicle this morning. It mentioned how poised and hungry he was to become the Texans starting quarterback. He said all the right things and came off as very humble and excited. I appreciate that very much, but he still has a lot to prove. He's shown me very little in his NFL career so far.

At some point your production is what truly matters. What if I said all the right things and had a great attitude at my job, but I didn't produce when it counted the most? I'll be fired sooner or later! It doesn't matter how hard you work if you ain't getting the job done. Or even worse, if you're injured and can't even perform whatever it is that you do.
 
but... but...
I thought someone told us it's always those "running QBs" that are prone to 'short careers' due to injuries
they said that classic 'pocket passers' live long and prosper
:D

Luck is not a pure pocket passer, he has wheels, and has used them throughout his college and NFL career.
 
Injured his shoulder

Yes, the OL he's been QB'ing behind has allowed him to relive David Carr's Golden "Nightmare" Years. It hasn't been fun for him to essentially run for his life instead of running through progressions.
 
Yes, the OL he's been QB'ing behind has allowed him to relive David Carr's Golden "Nightmare" Years. It hasn't been fun for him to essentially run for his life instead of running through progressions.

Puhleeze. The Texans gave up 32 sacks last year and with a halfway decent QB it would have been lower.
 
Maybe Tom Savage will throw his first career Touchdown pass in the NFL if he can stay healthy for more than two potential starts in 2017? I can only hope year four of Tom Savage's career is a lot better than his previous three. He just turned 27 years old and is entering the prime of his career.

I read a nice article about Tom Savage in the Houston Chronicle this morning. It mentioned how poised and hungry he was to become the Texans starting quarterback. He said all the right things and came off as very humble and excited. I appreciate that very much, but he still has a lot to prove. He's shown me very little in his NFL career so far.

At some point your production is what truly matters. What if I said all the right things and had a great attitude at my job, but I didn't produce when it counted the most? I'll be fired sooner or later! It doesn't matter how hard you work if you ain't getting the job done. Or even worse, if you're injured and can't even perform whatever it is that you do.


I'm in a "This is it" mode when it comes to Savage. It's time to do it or move aside. I look at him and his series of injuries like this.

2014 - Knee injury against the Colts? It happens. It happens to most guys who get hit like that I think. No big deal IMO as long as we see no lingering limitations (and we haven't).

2015 - Shoulder driven into the turf against the Cowboys. Again, I'm willing to say it happens. Not many NFL QB's who are hit like he was there come up without an injury. At the same time it was frustrating because Savage looked like the best of the three (Mallett, Hoyer, & Savage) at that time to me in preseason.

2016 - Infection in his elbow. Incredibly frustrating. It's not an "injury" per se but it definitely sidelined him when we needed him most and when I think he was perfectly positioned to come in and put Os on the bench for good.

2016 - Concussion. They happen but I don't remember having one happen to any player at a less opportune time. Savage doesn't get concussed and the Texans go into the playoffs, easily beat the Raiders who were too banged up to really compete, and then go to New England. Os wasn't up to the task but we had a definite chance with anyone else. That was a loss but I think Savage might have won that game.

This year he has to produce to keep the job and to keep from becoming Chris Chandler. It won't matter if it's an injury or illness with a perfectly rational explanation that could happen to anybody. The clock is ticking and if he can't grab and hold the starter's position this year we need to move on. He's had the benefit of 3 years in this system and by all rights we should be seeing the best Texans QB play since Schaub's 2012 campaign.

He's just gotta go out and do it.
 
I'm in a "This is it" mode when it comes to Savage. It's time to do it or move aside. I look at him and his series of injuries like this.

2014 - Knee injury against the Colts? It happens. It happens to most guys who get hit like that I think. No big deal IMO as long as we see no lingering limitations (and we haven't).

2015 - Shoulder driven into the turf against the Cowboys. Again, I'm willing to say it happens. Not many NFL QB's who are hit like he was there come up without an injury. At the same time it was frustrating because Savage looked like the best of the three (Mallett, Hoyer, & Savage) at that time to me in preseason.

2016 - Infection in his elbow. Incredibly frustrating. It's not an "injury" per se but it definitely sidelined him when we needed him most and when I think he was perfectly positioned to come in and put Os on the bench for good.

2016 - Concussion. They happen but I don't remember having one happen to any player at a less opportune time. Savage doesn't get concussed and the Texans go into the playoffs, easily beat the Raiders who were too banged up to really compete, and then go to New England. Os wasn't up to the task but we had a definite chance with anyone else. That was a loss but I think Savage might have won that game.

This year he has to produce to keep the job and to keep from becoming Chris Chandler. It won't matter if it's an injury or illness with a perfectly rational explanation that could happen to anybody. The clock is ticking and if he can't grab and hold the starter's position this year we need to move on. He's had the benefit of 3 years in this system and by all rights we should be seeing the best QB play from that position since Schaub's 2012 campaign.

He's just gotta go out and do it.
100% agree with this. Savage has to be one of the unluckiest players I've seen. I like him as the starting QB in 2017, but I also agree that it's time to sh!t or get off the pot.
 
I'm in a "This is it" mode when it comes to Savage. It's time to do it or move aside. I look at him and his series of injuries like this.

2014 - Knee injury against the Colts? It happens. It happens to most guys who get hit like that I think. No big deal IMO as long as we see no lingering limitations (and we haven't). Concur, injury or no injury Savage was on clipboard duty for 2014. O'Brien isn't comfortable starting rookies. They kept him on the 53-Man Roster. Savage was still a desired QB and the Texans couldn't risk giving him a season on the PS...another team would have claimed him.

2015 - Shoulder driven into the turf against the Cowboys. Again, I'm willing to say it happens. Not many NFL QB's who are hit like he was there come up without an injury. At the same time it was frustrating because Savage looked like the best of the three (Mallett, Hoyer, & Savage) at that time to me in preseason. Yeah, a freakish injury but many QB's have come up lame after having a shoulder driven into the ground. This type of drive tackle cost Romo 2 broken collar bones. Savage could've made it back during the season but the team decided to IR him versus exposing him in any other way. The team spent a year having him become completely versed in the playbook. Knowledge wise, it was a year well spent.

2016 - Infection in his elbow. Incredibly frustrating. It's not an "injury" per se but it definitely sidelined him when we needed him most and when I think he was perfectly positioned to come in and put Os on the bench for good.

2016 - Concussion. They happen but I don't remember having one happen to any player at a less opportune time. Savage doesn't get concussed and the Texans go into the playoffs, easily beat the Raiders who were too banged up to really compete, and then go to New England. Os wasn't up to the task but we had a definite chance with anyone else. That was a loss but I think Savage might have won that game. Through no fault of Savage, RS went out and signed Osweiler to a 72M contract. This signing effectively ended any chance of Savage seeing the field in a Texans uniform...if Osweiler hadn't been absolutely horrible. Savage got his chance and didn't do to bad considering the circumstances. As for the concussion, only Savage and the Texans will know the truth b/c from my vantage point Savage never acted like he was concussed...he did seem pretty pissed when they wanted to take him to the locker room. Conspiracy theory aside, RS and McNair knew what was riding on BO and they didn't like the smell of this move blowing up in their respective faces.

So, it's year 4 and Savage finally has the bridge and high priced FA QB's out of the way. His competition...will be his health, Weeden and Watson. I wouldn't expect Savage to produce nothing less than a very promising Pre-Season if he remains upright. I fully expect Weeden to push Savage hard but his experience and system knowledge will keep him planted as QB2. Watson has a lot of upside but he also has a lot of flaws in his game. This is where a year of study and learning will produce the best possible product.

Heck, KC has Mahomes slated for as many as 2 years of clipboard duty while learning the position. Trubisky could be on clipboard duty for a full season before he gets his chance in Chicago. Seriously, why would the Bears want to risk this young man who had all of 13 starts at NC?


This year he has to produce to keep the job and to keep from becoming Chris Chandler. It won't matter if it's an injury or illness with a perfectly rational explanation that could happen to anybody. The clock is ticking and if he can't grab and hold the starter's position this year we need to move on. He's had the benefit of 3 years in this system and by all rights we should be seeing the best Texans QB play since Schaub's 2012 campaign.

Year 4...this is up to Savage if he wants to seize a QB1 type of contract or be relegated to the backup QB stockpile.

He's just gotta go out and do it.

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Care to place a bet on that?

Sure. Game 6 you drive to Austin (my car and dog are allergic to Houston). You lose, Sue licks your face for one minute. (It's really cute although sloppy, just sayin' fair warning, one lap will cover your face.). I lose, your tab is mine for the game and I'll fill your gas tank. How bad is that, free trip to Austin or free tongue job?

Like to meet you.
 
Sure. Game 6 you drive to Austin (my car and dog are allergic to Houston). You lose, Sue licks your face for one minute. (It's really cute although sloppy, just sayin' fair warning, one lap will cover your face.). I lose, your tab is mine for the game and I'll fill your gas tank. How bad is that, free trip to Austin or free tongue job?

Like to meet you.
Bet on. I like dogs.
 
Sure. Game 6 you drive to Austin (my car and dog are allergic to Houston). You lose, Sue licks your face for one minute. (It's really cute although sloppy, just sayin' fair warning, one lap will cover your face.). I lose, your tab is mine for the game and I'll fill your gas tank. How bad is that, free trip to Austin or free tongue job?

Like to meet you.

If @DocBar loses that bet, that video MUST be posted here somewhere! I'm laughing just thinking about ol Sue givin him a tongue lashing!
 
Florio knows dick (and actually dislikes) the Texans.

Not shooting you as the messenger, just sayin'. Between Florio and McClain they might get the team colors correct.

Yup, and I'm surprised Florio's able to reel in players for interviews anymore the way he bashes and makes fun of them. He's lucky one of these cats hasn't whooped that ass yet.

He's a cocky 5' pansy ass
 
Sure. Game 6 you drive to Austin (my car and dog are allergic to Houston). You lose, Sue licks your face for one minute. (It's really cute although sloppy, just sayin' fair warning, one lap will cover your face.). I lose, your tab is mine for the game and I'll fill your gas tank. How bad is that, free trip to Austin or free tongue job?

Like to meet you.
Ewwwwwww!
you guys are weird.
:)
 
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