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Save us Savage!!!!!!!

michaelm said:
I thought it was obvious but my scenario of Savage being franchised is based on him playing the 2017 season well, which most likely means he played every game.
So assuming he plays well for a full season, franchising him seems to be the most logical way to get a full second season to evaluate him in 2018 without committing to a long term contact.
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For Savage to be worthy of a franchise tag he's not going to have to play well he's going to have to play to the point where someday it'll be one of those based on a true story movies. Seriously unless he takes us to at least the afc champship game then no he's not worth franchising.

He's been in the system for three years, if they haven't evaluated him by now then we seriously need to hire actual coaches. Yeah ok those of us in the stands or at home have no clue what he's like but the damn coaching staff better know exactly what he's like or they are worthless. We aren't the ones needing to evaluate him they are and they better have done it by now.
 
michaelm said:
I thought it was obvious but my scenario of Savage being franchised is based on him playing the 2017 season well, which most likely means he played every game.
So assuming he plays well for a full season, franchising him seems to be the most logical way to get a full second season to evaluate him in 2018 without committing to a long term contact.
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Valid points. I think it just kind of ignores the fact that they made a pretty big sacrifice to draft Watson. If he is anywhere close to being ready, they aren't going to keep him on the bench in order to evaluate what they have in Savage. Especially not for two seasons.
 
maverick512000 said:
For Savage to be worthy of a franchise tag he's not going to have to play well he's going to have to play to the point where someday it'll be one of those based on a true story movies. Seriously unless he takes us to at least the afc champship game then no he's not worth franchising.

He's been in the system for three years, if they haven't evaluated him by now then we seriously need to hire actual coaches. Yeah ok those of us in the stands or at home have no clue what he's like but the damn coaching staff better know exactly what he's like or they are worthless. We aren't the ones needing to evaluate him they are and they better have done it by now.
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And they've been talking him up ALOT, but we haven't seen it yet, nor have we seen his ability to stay healthy, which brings into the question the possibility of a franchise tag if he does perform exceedingly well as a starter
 
JB said:
And they've been talking him up ALOT, but we haven't seen it yet, nor have we seen his ability to stay healthy, which brings into the question the possibility of a franchise tag if he does perform exceedingly well as a starter
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Well first let me say I hope Savage does do exceeding well and I think he should be the starter. If for no other reason than to let Watson get his feet wet before throwing into the deepest part with a full rip tide.

That being said of course they are talking him up a lot. What else are they suppose to do?

Say "Ok everybody get ready for another season of Bill and Rick's Quaterback Crap House. This season staring Tom Savage, for about two weeks before he is put in a full body cast and we feed the rookie to the wolves. Tune in next week, same QB fail time, same QB fail channel."

Actions speak louder than words and every action they have taken has shown that Savage is not their first or second choice, depending on the season not even their third. You can say that's Ricky, BoB or a combination of both depending on your point of view but somebody with some pull in the Texans doesn't think Savage is a long term solution and barely a short term one.
 
JB said:
And they've been talking him up ALOT, but we haven't seen it yet, nor have we seen his ability to stay healthy, which brings into the question the possibility of a franchise tag if he does perform exceedingly well as a starter
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I sure wish they'd have started talking him up before Romo made up their minds. Then I could feel good about Tom Savage. Heck, if they'd have stuck him in against the Raiders, or the Pats in the playoffs, then I'd think they believe Savage offers something.

But they didn't. Whether it was Bill O'Brien who didn't, or Rick Smith doesn't matter to me. They didn't.
 
Allright... let me ask you this question.

If we start the season 0-4, do we give Tom time to show us what he's got, or do we move on?


Don't get it twisted, I want the Texans to go 4-0 to start the season & believe we have a real shot at it, regardless who our QB is, or how well/poorly he plays. Jags, Bengals, Patriots, Titans... ok, a real shot at 3-1.

But it's possible & it's possible it has nothing to do with Tom Savage or the offense that we go 0-4. Are we going to leave Tom in to see if he can force us into franchise tagging him?

Do we go to Weeden & see what he can do?
 
"If we start the season 0-4, do we give Tom time to show us what he's got, or do we move on?"

To answer this question, the Texans FO will use their expertise to evaluate the situation...
 
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thunderkyss said:
Allright... let me ask you this question.

If we start the season 0-4, do we give Tom time to show us what he's got, or do we move on?


Don't get it twisted, I want the Texans to go 4-0 to start the season & believe we have a real shot at it, regardless who our QB is, or how well/poorly he plays. Jags, Bengals, Patriots, Titans... ok, a real shot at 3-1.

But it's possible & it's possible it has nothing to do with Tom Savage or the offense that we go 0-4. Are we going to leave Tom in to see if he can force us into franchise tagging him?

Do we go to Weeden & see what he can do?
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The way I see it, it's Savage's job to lose - THIS YEAR. If we're competitive/winning, Savage keeps starting.
If Savage sucks AND Watson is 75-80% "ready" (whatever that means to O'Brien) then I think Savage sits and Watson starts.
Outside of Savage getting hurt before Watson is "ready"; I'm not really sure Weeden will get a fair shot at starting.
 
I think it is very important for an intended future starter to get 4+ live games prior to his 2nd offseason. The exception would be if the starter is riding a very hot hand. That live game experience gives a much better perspective for the offseason.
 
thunderkyss said:
Allright... let me ask you this question.

If we start the season 0-4, do we give Tom time to show us what he's got, or do we move on?


Don't get it twisted, I want the Texans to go 4-0 to start the season & believe we have a real shot at it, regardless who our QB is, or how well/poorly he plays. Jags, Bengals, Patriots, Titans... ok, a real shot at 3-1.

But it's possible & it's possible it has nothing to do with Tom Savage or the offense that we go 0-4. Are we going to leave Tom in to see if he can force us into franchise tagging him?

Do we go to Weeden & see what he can do?
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That would depend on Tom's performance. If he has 8+ TDs and 0 INTs and 1200 yds and the team is 0-4, I wouldn't bench him. I would make Crennel the DC and Vrabel the LBC coach again.
 
infantrycak said:
I think it is very important for an intended future starter to get 4+ live games prior to his 2nd offseason. The exception would be if the starter is riding a very hot hand. That live game experience gives a much better perspective for the offseason.
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You can find him some spot duty .... Don't think he has to start to get the full effect.


If a game's out of reach one way or another , give him some mop up duty playing like the scores 0-0.
 
Corrosion said:
You can find him some spot duty .... Don't think he has to start to get the full effect.


If a game's out of reach one way or another , give him some mop up duty playing like the scores 0-0.
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That's a recipe for a guaranteed QB controversy unless Savage has impeccable performances.
 
thunderkyss said:
I sure wish they'd have started talking him up before Romo made up their minds. Then I could feel good about Tom Savage. Heck, if they'd have stuck him in against the Raiders, or the Pats in the playoffs, then I'd think they believe Savage offers something.

But they didn't. Whether it was Bill O'Brien who didn't, or Rick Smith doesn't matter to me. They didn't.
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Agreed

And it should matter who's calling the shots in the Texans org to you.
 
JB said:
And they've been talking him up ALOT, but we haven't seen it yet, nor have we seen his ability to stay healthy, which brings into the question the possibility of a franchise tag if he does perform exceedingly well as a starter
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They've been talking Watson up ALOT................But he's a sure bet................because "All he does is WIN, WIN, WIN!!!!!!!!!!!"

Signed Vince Young and Tim Tebow
 
Mr teX said:
the problem with that is he'd have some other team offering him more money & likely the uncontested starting position. Also, i as well as many other texans wouldn't want the texans committing long term to him until he could show that he could stay healthy for at least 2 seasons in a row.......furthermore with what they gave up to get Watson, he ain't going nowhere. This team is his....for sure by 2018.
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You're probably right and that's sad if Savage plays well next yr and leads the team to the AFC championship game.

If this happens BOB trained a franchise QB for another org and the Texans org is starting over with basically a rookie QB that they hope can take them as far as they got the yr before.

Don't think teams like the Browns/Cards etc.. wont come calling with a ton of $$$$.
 
DocBar said:
That's a recipe for a guaranteed QB controversy unless Savage has impeccable performances.
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I don't care about a QB controversy ..... No matter what Savage does , throw 6 picks I don't care , I'd run him or someone not named Watson out there. Hide Watson until next season.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
They've been talking Watson up ALOT................But he's a sure bet................because "All he does is WIN, WIN, WIN!!!!!!!!!!!"

Signed Vince Young and Tim Tebow
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Talking up a player they've had for 3 seasons is a might different than talking up their 1st pick right after the draft
 
infantrycak said:
Never seen a player passed over so many times elicit such confidence/optimism.

It's draftniks gone wild.
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I can't believe it's confidence/optimism. Has to be more with the thinking that holding a clipboard prepares a young player for the NFL in a "one size fits all" kind of thing.

I understand the game is going to be faster, NFL windows are smaller, & NFL defenses are nothing like what a player sees in college. I understand the thinking that we don't want to ruin a prospect by throwing him in too early.

But, the guy we need at QB to take us to the next level should be able to start on this team from day 1. We're not the Browns, or the 2014 Jags. & even if he were to take a beating like 1st year starter Troy Aikman or Peyton Manning... the guy we need has the mental fortitude to get back up & become better because of it.

If not, it's better to find out sooner rather than later, so we can move on.
 
RS has a lot riding on this gamble. His first shot at picking a QB really backfired. His first mistake cost the Texans a 2018 RD2 to correct. He invested a 2018 RD1 and RD6 to move up and select Watson. Almost every NFL talent guru has said this QB class should sit for a season...I'm in agreement. As for this season, if RS and McNair decide at some point that Watson has to start to justify the trade...then I can only hope they got the evaluation correct. If not, it'll be 2019 before RS gets the opportunity to correct his second mistake. There would be no veteran QB on the roster and Watson with a season under his belt.

At the moment, there are 5 projected 2018 RD1 QB's possibly being available. If Watson doesn't get it done, Savage walks for a better chance and Weeden follows suit...then the Texans could very well be in a position to mss their 3rd opportunity to be an active participant in a strong QB class. Can they really afford this?

This is only my opinion but this is why I'm convinced Savage has to start this season. Many of you have mentioned that Savage was drafted to be a QB2 but he's the only QB drafted during Obie's tenure as HC until the team traded up and selecte Watson this season. The Texans don't have any wiggle room with Savage and need to find out if his development is finally ready before his contract expires. There's plenty of wiggle room with Watson so sitting him for a season could be the best overall benefit.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
RS has a lot riding on this gamble.
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Consider Rick a fellow, a made man. He's untouchable.

If Rick Smith were found drunk, naked & passed put at a Taco Bell drive through, instead of being let go for conduct unbecoming of a Houston Texans, they will change the rules about what is & is not acceptable of a Texans employee.
 
Or OB already has a 3 strike count (Fitz, Hoyer, Mallett) and let's assume it was all on him and say Rick has a 1 strike count (Oz).

Last I heard picking players was the GMs job. Last I heard, 3 strikes and you're out.

But despair not OB poodles, 'the system' will render any 4th round hack or retread invincible (other than the last 7).
 
infantrycak said:
Never seen a player passed over so many times elicit such confidence/optimism.

It's draftniks gone wild.
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Its just the lack of quality play we've had at the position for so long , anyone who can approach mediocre is better than the last scrub.

When you don't have a good Quarterback , the most popular guy on the roster is the backup ..... We've proven that time and again going from broken Schaub to Yates to Keenum to Mullet to Savage to .... you get the idea. Until someone plays well , the fans will be begging for a solution .... the backup , the free agent , the draft pick ..... :carousel:
 
Corrosion said:
Its just the lack of quality play we've had at the position for so long , anyone who can approach mediocre is better than the last scrub.

When you don't have a good Quarterback , the most popular guy on the roster is the backup ..... We've proven that time and again going from broken Schaub to Yates to Keenum to Mullet to Savage to .... you get the idea. Until someone plays well , the fans will be begging for a solution .... the backup , the free agent , the draft pick ..... :carousel:
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Yeah true but it is the draftknik crew who always think next year is better and we have a jackelope who just needed seasoning already on the roster. Just rub a little Tony's on him, he'll be good to go.
 
I'm all for drafting a QB when the draft dictates that there are legitimate RD1 QB's available. I was all in if the team was targeting Bortles or Garoppolo when they were available...at the time, I was simi-ok with the team settling on Savage only b/c he appeared to be the fall-back plan. I was all in on the Texans drafting Derek Carr in RD1...imagine when he fell into the teams hands in RD2 and RS didn't pull the trigger. RS and McNair let a silly and petty personal issue get in the way of obtaining their desired "Franchise QB".

This season, Trubisky and Mahomes were more desired than Watson. One has 13 college starts on his resume and the other may have the "it" factor but came from a "System Offense" and has several things to work on before he gets his chance. In all honesty, these 3 QB's would easily be graded as RD2 or RD3 prospects in 2018. If anyone wants to observe a QB feeding frenzy, tune into the 2018 NFL Draft and watch as teams scramble to make moves to grab as many as 6 of these justified prospects. This group will not need over-hyping to create draft day excitement.

So, with that in mind I couldn't justify the trade up for Watson when there might have been a distinct possibility he would be there in RD1 at 25 or could have slipped thru RD1 all-together. If RS had wanted Watson that bad...maybe he trades up in RD2 instead or he actually makes an even smarter move...trades back and gets his 2018 RD2 back and a 2017 RD2 or RD3. But, that's our Ricky...couldn't break away from the ether long enough to clear his head and make an intelligent but strategic move.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I'm all for drafting a QB when the draft dictates that there are legitimate RD1 QB's available. I was all in if the team was targeting Bortles or Garoppolo when they were available...at the time, I was simi-ok with the team settling on Savage only b/c he appeared to be the fall-back plan. I was all in on the Texans drafting Derek Carr in RD1...imagine when he fell into the teams hands in RD2 and RS didn't pull the trigger. RS and McNair let a silly and petty personal issue get in the way of obtaining their desired "Franchise QB".

This season, Trubisky and Mahomes were more desired than Watson. One has 13 college starts on his resume and the other may have the "it" factor but came from a "System Offense" and has several things to work on before he gets his chance. In all honesty, these 3 QB's would easily be graded as RD2 or RD3 prospects in 2018. If anyone wants to observe a QB feeding frenzy, tune into the 2018 NFL Draft and watch as teams scramble to make moves to grab as many as 6 of these justified prospects. This group will not need over-hyping to create draft day excitement.

So, with that in mind I couldn't justify the trade up for Watson when there might have been a distinct possibility he would be there in RD1 at 25 or could have slipped thru RD1 all-together. If RS had wanted Watson that bad...maybe he trades up in RD2 instead or he actually makes an even smarter move...trades back and gets his 2018 RD2 back and a 2017 RD2 or RD3. But, that's our Ricky...couldn't break away from the ether long enough to clear his head and make an intelligent but strategic move.
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If you don't mind me asking, who are the six 1st round QBs for next year?
 
bah007 said:
If you don't mind me asking, who are the six 1st round QBs for next year?
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dont mind him he is a perpetual wait until next year the class is better then. Until the class turns out to not be better. this time last year this QB Class was being hyped like no other. Watson was going to be a can't miss Andrew luck #1 overall prospect. Kaaya was going to be a top 5 pick. Players like Baker Mayfield, and Mason Rudolph were suppose to declare and be 1st round talents. then what happens people actually start analyzing their tape, and they aren't as good as maybe stats indicate, some don't declare and stay another year.
 
On the other hand there are some veteran QBs going into FA next year. Brees, Stanford, cousins and Bradford, in no particular order, just to name a few. If Savage doesn't work out and Watson isn't ready/sucks we might still can get a quality QB with all that cap money we seem to be saving.

Granted several of those will be tagged or just resign but somebody might hit FA to see what they can get or cut to free up room, especially if the draft class is as deep as they say. Can't say I'm crazy about this plan but it is an option.
 
I keep on hearing how Savage has no way of working out.........that he was systematically bypassed by everyone and their grandmother. Well, it may be well to look at Romo's climb up the ladder.........a journey that saw him bypassed in favor of a turnstile of QBs before he ever was deemed worthy of having a shot at becoming the Cowboys starting QB.

How A Star Was Made
From undrafted free agent to understudy to starting quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys, this is the oral history of the rise of Tony Romo, 10 years after he won the job.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
I keep on hearing how Savage has no way of working out.........that he was systematically bypassed by everyone and their grandmother. Well, it may be well to look at Romo's climb up the ladder.........a journey that saw him bypassed in favor of a turnstile of QBs before he ever was deemed worthy of having a shot at becoming the Cowboys starting QB.
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Good read.

But I don't think it's the same thing. Most of the guys they're talking about were already on the team before Romo was signed as a FA.

Quincy Carter was their guy (Jerry's guy), Henson & Stoerner were also there as shots in the dark.

The only guys they brought in after signing Romo were Testeverde & Bledsoe. Both Parcells' guys. I guess we can say Hoyer compares to them in our situation.

But Osweiler & Watson are two guys with no connection to O'b or Smith. & it's not that I think Savage can't work out. It's that the Texans aren't showing much confidence in him by bringing in QB after QB to supplant him.
 
thunderkyss said:
the Texans aren't showing much confidence in him by bringing in QB after QB to supplant him.
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Yeah and all the while telling us they are content with Savage as the starter going into the season .... I'm not buying it. If they were so confident in him they wouldn't have drafted a 1st round QB , they'd have gotten him some help on the OL or a top flight offensive weapon.


I think they were in panic mode when Trubisky and Mahomes went in the top 10. They had to have a 1st round QB and there was only 1 left. If there was ever a time to make a move , that was it.
 
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Corrosion said:
Yeah and all the while telling us they are content with Savage as the starter going into the season .... I'm not buying it. If they were so confident in him they wouldn't have drafted a 1st round QB , they'd have gotten him some help on the OL or a top flight offensive weapon.


I think they were in panic mode when Trubisky and Mahomes went in the top 10. They had to have a 1st round QB and there was only 1 left. If there was ever a time to make a move , that was it.
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I think Mahomes was the guy, but KC pulled a shocker
 
thunderkyss said:
What could Mahomes have possibly said to lead you to believe the Texans were going to take him?
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There was an interview with him , was asked which team he thought liked him most or that he felt most comfortable with .... his response was the Texans and coach OB..
 
Corrosion said:
There was an interview with him , was asked which team he thought liked him most or that he felt most comfortable with .... his response was the Texans and coach OB..
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Ok.

JB said:
I think Mahomes was the guy...
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Corrosion said:
So do I .... even things Mahomes said pre draft led you to believe that.
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I thought you meant he said something alluding to the Texans were going to pick him at 25, or that none of the other teams were going to pick him so he'll fall to 25. Or that he knew the Texans were going to trade up to get him.

Saying he thought the Texans liked him more than other teams, doesn't necessarily lead me to believe he was the Texans choice (even though I do think he was). The Texans were his choice, that statement supports that. Yes.
 
thunderkyss said:
Saying he thought the Texans liked him more than other teams, doesn't necessarily lead me to believe he was the Texans choice (even though I do think he was). The Texans were his choice, that statement supports that. Yes.
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To clarify, I think the Texans had a short list of guys they wanted at QB. A list of two. Mahomes & Watson. When one of them came off the board, they moved up to get the other. I think O'b wanted Mahomes. There were reports that he "really liked him." & had Watson been taken first, they'd have moved up to get Mahomes.

The deal that was in place with Cleveland... The Texans said after Mahomes was taken, they had to decide if they were going to go through with the trade. Similar to the Aldon Smith/Patrick Peterson thing. This time, they decided to do it.

Still, I'm thinking they had them as 1a & 1b. Rick preferring Watson, O'b preferring Mahomes. Had O'b been totally against Watson, I don't think they make the trade. If Watson was there at 25, they'd have had to talk about it, but most likely would have passed if O'b did not want anything to do with him.
 
thunderkyss said:
Good read.

But I don't think it's the same thing. Most of the guys they're talking about were already on the team before Romo was signed as a FA.

Quincy Carter was their guy (Jerry's guy), Henson & Stoerner were also there as shots in the dark.

The only guys they brought in after signing Romo were Testeverde & Bledsoe. Both Parcells' guys. I guess we can say Hoyer compares to them in our situation.

But Osweiler & Watson are two guys with no connection to O'b or Smith. & it's not that I think Savage can't work out. It's that the Texans aren't showing much confidence in him by bringing in QB after QB to supplant him.
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"the Texans aren't showing much confidence in him by bringing in QB after QB to supplant him."

Faulty reasoning.

Teams with established QBs continually bring other QBs to camp. I doubt that Saint Belichick brought in Garappolo because he had doubts about Brady.

Any idea how many QBs Belichick has signed since Brady became his starting QB. All because he had no confidence in Brady? :lol:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwid95uX993TAhVEjywKHVDIBdMQFggmMAA&url=http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2015/11/the_tom_brady_backup_tree_what.html&usg=AFQjCNG5leVHnfoamoSVdzHT41Ttrf6Xig

:coffee:
 
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cuppacoffee said:
"the Texans aren't showing much confidence in him by bringing in QB after QB to supplant him."

Faulty reasoning.

Teams with established QBs continually bring other QBs to camp. I doubt that Saint Belichick brought in Garappolo because he had doubts about Brady.

Any idea how many QBs Belichick has signed since Brady became his starting QB. All because he had no confidence in Brady? :lol:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwid95uX993TAhVEjywKHVDIBdMQFggmMAA&url=http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2015/11/the_tom_brady_backup_tree_what.html&usg=AFQjCNG5leVHnfoamoSVdzHT41Ttrf6Xig

:coffee:
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Savage is an established QB?
:kitten::ahhaha:
 
76Texan said:
Savage is an established QB?
:kitten::ahhaha:
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OBrien seems to think so, and his opinion carries more weight than message board posters. At least it does to me.

Every teams rosters are always in flux. Its the nature of the business.

The godfather has also endorsed Savage http://texanswire.usatoday.com/2017...-savage-vote-of-confidence-will-still-add-qb/

Do you really think Belichick bringing in Garappalo was a no confidence vote in Brady? Of course not.

I will agree that Savage must produce this year to keep the job. I'm not yet convinced he can't do the job.

:coffee:
 
cuppacoffee said:
OBrien seems to think so, and his opinion carries more weight than message board posters. At least it does to me.

Every teams rosters are always in flux. Its the nature of the business.

The godfather has also endorsed Savage http://texanswire.usatoday.com/2017...-savage-vote-of-confidence-will-still-add-qb/

Do you really think Belichick bringing in Garappalo was a no confidence vote in Brady? Of course not.

I will agree that Savage must produce this year to keep the job. I'm not yet convinced he can't do the job.

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You have a strange way to define "establish".
 
cuppacoffee said:
"the Texans aren't showing much confidence in him by bringing in QB after QB to supplant him."

Faulty reasoning.

Teams with established QBs continually bring other QBs to camp. I doubt that Saint Belichick brought in Garappolo because he had doubts about Brady.

Any idea how many QBs Belichick has signed since Brady became his starting QB. All because he had no confidence in Brady? :lol:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwid95uX993TAhVEjywKHVDIBdMQFggmMAA&url=http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2015/11/the_tom_brady_backup_tree_what.html&usg=AFQjCNG5leVHnfoamoSVdzHT41Ttrf6Xig

:coffee:
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cuppacoffee said:
OBrien seems to think so, and his opinion carries more weight than message board posters. At least it does to me.

Every teams rosters are always in flux. Its the nature of the business.

The godfather has also endorsed Savage http://texanswire.usatoday.com/2017...-savage-vote-of-confidence-will-still-add-qb/

Do you really think Belichick bringing in Garappalo was a no confidence vote in Brady? Of course not.

I will agree that Savage must produce this year to keep the job. I'm not yet convinced he can't do the job.

:coffee:
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The difference is that Belichick has the QB, and drafting QBs as often as he does always has them looking to the future whether they're planning for life after Brady or the draft picks you can collect from having QBs.

None of the QBs they sign are there to compete with Brady. Not the case with regards to Savage. ALL the QBs the Texans have brought in have seen the field over Savage. And it's starting to look like that's going to be the case again the more we hear Watson is competing for a chance to start.

Mallett over Savage, Hoyer over Savage, Osweiler over Savage and now Watson over Savage. I hear the words coming out of their mouths about having confidence in Savage, but it sure doesn't match their actions as he continues to be the clipboard holder year after year while someone else is on the field.

This is his 4th year in this system and he's yet to see the field over guys who are new to it. I don't think he's the answer.
 
cuppacoffee said:
"the Texans aren't showing much confidence in him by bringing in QB after QB to supplant him."

Faulty reasoning.

Teams with established QBs continually bring other QBs to camp. I doubt that Saint Belichick brought in Garappolo because he had doubts about Brady.

Any idea how many QBs Belichick has signed since Brady became his starting QB. All because he had no confidence in Brady? :lol:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwid95uX993TAhVEjywKHVDIBdMQFggmMAA&url=http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2015/11/the_tom_brady_backup_tree_what.html&usg=AFQjCNG5leVHnfoamoSVdzHT41Ttrf6Xig

:coffee:
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"to supplant him"
 
cuppacoffee said:
OBrien seems to think so, and his opinion carries more weight than message board posters. At least it does to me.

Every teams rosters are always in flux. Its the nature of the business.

The godfather has also endorsed Savage http://texanswire.usatoday.com/2017...-savage-vote-of-confidence-will-still-add-qb/

Do you really think Belichick bringing in Garappalo was a no confidence vote in Brady? Of course not.

I will agree that Savage must produce this year to keep the job. I'm not yet convinced he can't do the job.

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IMO, you have to take what people say in the media with a grain of salt. Their actions tell us what they really think.


There was a time when the Patriots were bringing in undrafted & 7th round draft picks to fill the roster. More recently they spent a 3rd on Mallett, a 2nd on Garoppolo, & a third on Brissett. When it was undrafted rookies & 7th round draft picks it told me they were confident in Brady being their QB for a long time. When they started drafted 3rd rounders, it told me their confidence in Brady beyond four years was suspect. The 2nd rounder even more so. Refusing to trade Garoppolo for a hefty haul... more so still.

Bringing in two QBs to put ahead of Savage on the depth chart in 2015 tells me they didn't have any confidence at all in him to play that season. Had that been Garoppolo many here would have you believe Garoppolo would have been one of the two competing for the starting job in 2015.

In 2016 they straight up signed a guy with seven starts in a totally different system to come in & be the starter. Never talked to the guy. They just "knew" he was better than what they were watching for the previous two seasons (including watching Tom Savage in practice, meeting rooms, trainer's bench, etc...).

I know O'b gives himself a hard time about benching Hoyer too early. But 15 games... fifteen games to see if Osweiler would start to click before putting Tom Savage in.

Drafting a guy... moving up to draft a guy, giving away a future first round pick when we already gave away that future 2nd.....

I mean....

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It's pretty obvious to me they have no confidence in Tom Savage as a starting QB on their team.
 
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"the Texans aren't showing much confidence in him by bringing in QB after QB to supplant him."

Faulty reasoning.

Teams with established QBs continually bring other QBs to camp. I doubt that Saint Belichick brought in Garappolo because he had doubts about Brady.

Any idea how many QBs Belichick has signed since Brady became his starting QB. All because he had no confidence in Brady? :lol:

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Also faulty reasoning, most of those were brought in to add depth and as back ups for Brady. However, this year there was serious talk about the Pats being reedy to move on from Brady and start looking to the next QB whether that was Jimmy G or whatever, word is that's why the hood wasn't taking offers on Jimmy.

Do you know what stopped that talk and locked down Brady's spot again? That miracle 4th quarter comeback leading to a 5th ring. You don't replace your QB after he pulls that off. So yeah all Savage has to do is lead the team to a SB win and the starter spot is guaranteed his, no pressure.
 
Last week Andre Ware and Mark Vandermeer were discussing Savage............and I almost fell off my chair when they both agreed PUBLICLY (as Texans empoyees) that despite consistent Houston media reports stating that Savage did not play well in the last preseason, it was obvious to them that there was no true competition to determine the starting QB position. They, in fact, both said that it was blatantly obvious that Savage far outshined his competition throughout the 2 previous preseasons.
 
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OBrien seems to think so, and his opinion carries more weight than message board posters. At least it does to me.

Every teams rosters are always in flux. Its the nature of the business.

The godfather has also endorsed Savage http://texanswire.usatoday.com/2017...-savage-vote-of-confidence-will-still-add-qb/

Do you really think Belichick bringing in Garappalo was a no confidence vote in Brady? Of course not.

I will agree that Savage must produce this year to keep the job. I'm not yet convinced he can't do the job.

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Not sure what BoB has said or done to make you think this unless you're buying what they are currently selling. Savage was drafted in 14 and BoB basically said he viewed all those guys as the same. Then as soon as he could BoB brings in two NE quarterbacks in Hoyer and Mallet. Now Hoyer might have just meant to be a stop gap but I really think Mallet was suppose to be the franchise QB but he had the maturity of a two year old.

So now two years in and after epic fail levels of QB play they bring in Osweiler. Now we can go on and on about who's call that was but even if it was all Ricks I still wasn't seeing any signs from anybody that Savage was in the conversation about leading the team.

Hell even this year most believe that they had an interest in Romo, even they said they had an interest in Romo. If you truly believe in your QB then you don't have any interest in signing a high dollar, beaten down vet and bringing him in as the starter.

The Savage as QB arguement basically boils down to he's not Osweiler. Well frankly Savage didn't impress when he got his chance, he was just "ok" at best. Granted he played better than Osweiler but a blind, purple butted baboon could have played better than Osweiler so that's not saying much.
 
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