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ObsiWan said:
Thing is, if you're responsible for producing results, wouldn't you want to be in on selecting the tools you're given?
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To think O'b is allowed no say in personnel is purely speculation.

I think the power structure is more balanced than many of you believe.

I wish some evidence would come forward that would put the whole O'b is being marginalized nonsense to rest.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
To think O'b is allowed no say in personnel is purely speculation.

I think the power structure is more balanced than many of you believe.

I wish some evidence would come forward that would put the whole O'b is being marginalized nonsense to rest.
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I don't think it's possible. In his own words, O'Brien has said he was very much a part of the Osweiler decision.

After the Texans' 30-0 loss to Kansas City in the playoffs, O'Brien took off a couple of days before returning to the film room. First, he evaluated each of the Texans. Then, he turned to prospective free agents and watched tape before filing his report with Smith.

When O'Brien finished, Osweiler was at the top of his list of quarterbacks.

"We study all these guys," O'Brien said. "We watch their (regular-season) tape (and) their preseason tape. When you threw the tape on from (last season), it was impressive. He played in some very tough games, some very meaningful games.

"It's not easy to be a starting quarterback in this league. It's one of the most difficult things in sports to do. I think we got the right guy."

At the time, though, the consensus among the Texans and every team in the NFL was that Osweiler would re-sign with the Broncos.
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Now, I understand toting the company line... but this ain't that.

The Texans coach gushed over Osweiler during Tuesday's AFC Coaches Breakfast, talking about what he discovered while watching every snap from the former Broncos passer.

"I think the first thing you look at is his film, how he plays the game," O'Brien said. "He's a big, tall guy with a strong arm and he stands in the pocket. When the rush is bearing down on him, he delivers the ball. Now, look, it's not always clean, but there's a lot that goes into that. I think the one thing I like about this guy is that he's got good leadership ability."
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Even this year, O'brien is talking about evaluating players... the man's involved.
 
thunderkyss said:
IMO, I'd lose respect for O'b if I found out Osweiler was forced on him. I've got more respect for coaches who get fired doing things their way. They're going to get fired anyway.
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I totally agree with this post.

But with the ability to earn millions for going along that probably would change things as it did for BOB and Ricky.
 
steelbtexan said:
I totally agree with this post.

But with the ability to earn millions for going along that probably would change things as it did for BOB and Ricky.
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Lets say your right and BO'b accepted this job knowing he would be limited more than he would like but took the job because of earning a lot of money. Does that make sense for any new head coach? Do you really think he would take a job with the Texans if he felt going up against Boss Bob and Rick Smith would hold him back and quite possibly ruin how he is perceived by other owners should he want to find another coaching job? One more to his liking. Not only that but few coaches actually have the kind of power you seem to think BO'b deserves.

It is quite possible that BO'b and our owner and Rick Smith have had some quarrels. That is in house and we can not know the dynamics of their differences. None the less if I were BO'b and I was treated as poorly as you seem to think he is I would leave regardless of earning the leftover money on my contract. I would look for a job that allowed me more power and say in how the team is run and what players I would want to fit into my system and way of doing things.
 
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I admit this is all a guess on my side... but signing Os without BOB agreeing on the decision is totally false. If it is true, though, you have to leave that environment as a HC. You can't coach a team if a QB is forced on you. If BOB quit this offseason, he would have easily gotten another HC gig. The fact that he's staying tells me he agreed to Os. It's that simple.

BTW, coaches & GMs are wrong on QBs all the time. The great Bellicheck drafted several QBs that amounted to nothing. I don't see what the big deal is here and this notion that someone must be put to blame & punished for the Os signing. We swung & missed, let's try again.


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TxnsJuggernaut said:
Lets say your right and BO'b accepted this job knowing he would be limited more than he would like but took the job because of earning a lot of money. Does that make sense for any new head coach? Do you really think he would take a job with the Texans if he felt going up against Boss Bob and Rick Smith would hold him back and quite possibly ruin how he is perceived by other owners should he want to find another coaching job? One more to his liking. Not only that but few coaches actually have the kind of power you seem to think BO'b deserves. It is quite possible that BO'b and our owner and Rick Smith have had some quarrels. That is in house and we can not know the dynamics of their differences. None the less if I were BO'b and I was treated as poorly as you seem to think he is I would leave regardless of earning the leftover money on my contract. I would look for a job that allowed me more power and say in how the team is run and what players I would want to fit into my system and way of doing things.
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Much as I hate to agree with SteelB, or even be within the same area as agreement, I could BoB taking the job not so much for the money but to get his foot in the door.

Anybody that has tried to break in a new industry knows that the hardest thing is getting that first job. Texans were BoBs first chance at being HC for an NFL team so yeah I can see someone agreeing to less than ideal conditions just for the resume help. God knows I've worked some crappy jobs just so I can put it down on the resume and I'm most everyone else here has to.

Now that being said I do not think he is as handcuffed as SteelB does, hell I don't think the prisoners in Gitmo are as handcuffed as Steel think BoB is. I think the statements he has been making recently are because he doesn't think the Texans will pick up his contract again or he is hoping for a better gig and he's worried that his reputation as a QB guru is the Titanic and Osweiler was his iceberg.

Maybe he's hoping the SS Savage will come steaming to his rescue......if it doesn't break down again.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
Lets say your right and BO'b accepted this job knowing he would be limited more than he would like but took the job because of earning a lot of money. Does that make sense for any new head coach? Do you really think he would take a job with the Texans if he felt going up against Boss Bob and Rick Smith would hold him back and quite possibly ruin how he is perceived by other owners should he want to find another coaching job? One more to his liking. Not only that but few coaches actually have the kind of power you seem to think BO'b deserves.

It is quite possible that BO'b and our owner and Rick Smith have had some quarrels. That is in house and we can not know the dynamics of their differences. None the less if I were BO'b and I was treated as poorly as you seem to think he is I would leave regardless of earning the leftover money on my contract. I would look for a job that allowed me more power and say in how the team is run and what players I would want to fit into my system and way of doing things.
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This is an easy post to make when they're not your millions.

BTW, BOB is letting us know how the Texans org is structured this offseason. Whether you choose to believe him or not is up to you. I choose to believe him. There's patterns that have been set over the last decade. IMHO
 
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steelbtexan said:
This is an easy post to make when they're not your millions.

BTW, BOB is letting us know how the Texans org is structured this offseason. Whether you choose to believe him or not is up to you. I choose to believe him. There's patterns that have been set over the last decade. IMHO
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Well BO'b had his way with the trade of Os and since no FA Qb's have been signed it would seem that Qb and offense this season is squarely on BO'bs shoulders.

Thus if the season is more of the same under BO'b or less than we have seen he will be held accountable.
 
maverick512000 said:
Much as I hate to agree with SteelB, or even be within the same area as agreement, I could BoB taking the job not so much for the money but to get his foot in the door.

Anybody that has tried to break in a new industry knows that the hardest thing is getting that first job. Texans were BoBs first chance at being HC for an NFL team so yeah I can see someone agreeing to less than ideal conditions just for the resume help. God knows I've worked some crappy jobs just so I can put it down on the resume and I'm most everyone else here has to.

Now that being said I do not think he is as handcuffed as SteelB does, hell I don't think the prisoners in Gitmo are as handcuffed as Steel think BoB is. I think the statements he has been making recently are because he doesn't think the Texans will pick up his contract again or he is hoping for a better gig and he's worried that his reputation as a QB guru is the Titanic and Osweiler was his iceberg.

Maybe he's hoping the SS Savage will come steaming to his rescue......if it doesn't break down again.
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Agree with this post.

All I will say to the part about me is I believe BOB was made to play a QB he didn't want to play. I also believe he wanted to go with Savage to begin with and Ricky overruled him. Do you think Ricky runs the draft/FA like BOB said he does?

I do, BOB lets Ricky know the types of players he wants and Ricky picks the players. (Usually badly)
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
Well BO'b had his way with the trade of Os and since no FA Qb's have been signed it would seem that Qb and offense this season is squarely on BO'bs shoulders.

Thus if the season is more of the same under BO'b or less than we have seen he will be held accountable.
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Agreed, except what has Ricky done this offseason to improve the team, BOB's chances of winning? The same amount that you/I've done. (Nothing)
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed, except what has Ricky done this offseason to improve the team, BOB's chances of winning? The same amount that you/I've done. (Nothing)
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You may have a point on this seasons free agency and lack of using it. Than it may be that not using it was a collective decision.

The truth will eventually surface.
 
steelbtexan said:
Agree with this post.

All I will say to the part about me is I believe BOB was made to play a QB he didn't want to play. I also believe he wanted to go with Savage to begin with and Ricky overruled him. Do you think Ricky runs the draft/FA like BOB said he does?

I do, BOB lets Ricky know the types of players he wants and Ricky picks the players. (Usually badly)
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I'm pretty sure Rick runs the draft... they've all said that. They've all always said that.


But I don't think it means what you think it means. Gibbs wanted Duane Brown. Rick got Duane Brown. He traded down, out of the 18th spot (Joe Flacco) to 26 (I think). Then he was entertaining another trade down, but decided against it & pulled the trigger on Brown. Rick ran the draft, the coaches gave input on players.

Same thing with the 2011 draft. Rick had a plan in place to trade up & get Patrick Peterson if he fell to a certain pick. Peterson was selected prior to that pick. Rick had to decide if he wanted to go ahead with that trade & select Aldon Smith, or stay put & get the guy Wade Philips gets credit for. Again, coaches, scouts, GM, owner... everybody working together.

The way it should be. O'b is doing his part right now, evaluating players, working with Smith to make sure they're on the same page come draft time.
 
thunderkyss said:
Exactly




I'm sure he was in on the decision to play it that way, the same way he was in on all the decisions the Texans make.
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Well I'm glad to see we agree on something.

We also disagree on whether to believe what came out of BOB's mouth.

BOB: Ricky is in charge of FA/Draft.
 
steelbtexan said:
Well I'm glad to see we agree on something.

We also disagree on whether to believe what came out of BOB's mouth.

BOB: Ricky is in charge of FA/Draft.
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Ricky does run those aspects first and foremost. His job description as a general manager reflects that. It however does not mean BO'b is excluded from the process and that his suggestions are not taken and used in picking talent for the team.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Agree with this post.

All I will say to the part about me is I believe BOB was made to play a QB he didn't want to play. I also believe he wanted to go with Savage to begin with and Ricky overruled him. Do you think Ricky runs the draft/FA like BOB said he does?

I do, BOB lets Ricky know the types of players he wants and Ricky picks the players. (Usually badly)
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Here's my thing even with the advantage of hind sight if I was Rick Smith I still would have signed Osweiler. People forget how bad a situation the Texans were in.

Hoyer blew up in epic fashion so finding a new QB was priority one. The draft was out as the only really two QBs that even had a chance at being first years starters were predicted to go 1and 2, which they did, and to trade up for them would have set the team back for years. People are pissed about losing next year second to get rid of Os but can you imagine what the Browns or worse the Titans would have charged us to move up.

So now you look at FA and it was arguably worse than this years FA for QBs. Osweiler was by far the best of the group and this time last year he actually wasn't to big of a risk. He was solid in college, learned from the best and in limited starts showed flashes of franchise level QB.

BoB may have wanted to start Savage but that would have been a much bigger gamble than Osweiler was as Savage couldn't stay off the injured list. Hell not much has changed today except they kind if have no choice with Romo riding off into the sunset.

What reason did RS have to trust that Savage could be the guy other than maybe BoB saying trust me. Frankly if that's all there was to go on I wouldn't have trusted BoB assessment either because he hasn't shown yet that he can make a QB into a star unless it's a falling star.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
Ricky does run those aspects first and foremost. His job description as a general manager reflects that. It however does not mean BO'b is excluded from the process and that his suggestions are not taken and used in picking talent for the team.
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I believe BOB makes suggestions on things like, this offseason we need to add more team speed. IF Ricky agrees with him he goes out and gets Fuller. If not tough tit for BOB. I don't think BOB says Ricky get me Fuller.

BTW, BOB and Ricky hate each other so Ricky is more likely to do what he wants than what BOB wants, when it gets down to nut cutting time. I really have no issues with that, but when Ricky screws up (Frequently) he needs to own it and the fact that he doesn't is what I have issues with.
 
maverick512000 said:
Here's my thing even with the advantage of hind sight if I was Rick Smith I still would have signed Osweiler. People forget how bad a situation the Texans were in.

Hoyer blew up in epic fashion so finding a new QB was priority one. The draft was out as the only really two QBs that even had a chance at being first years starters were predicted to go 1and 2, which they did, and to trade up for them would have set the team back for years. People are pissed about losing next year second to get rid of Os but can you imagine what the Browns or worse the Titans would have charged us to move up.

So now you look at FA and it was arguably worse than this years FA for QBs. Osweiler was by far the best of the group and this time last year he actually wasn't to big of a risk. He was solid in college, learned from the best and in limited starts showed flashes of franchise level QB.

BoB may have wanted to start Savage but that would have been a much bigger gamble than Osweiler was as Savage couldn't stay off the injured list. Hell not much has changed today except they kind if have no choice with Romo riding off into the sunset.

What reason did RS have to trust that Savage could be the guy other than maybe BoB saying trust me. Frankly if that's all there was to go on I wouldn't have trusted BoB assessment either because he hasn't shown yet that he can make a QB into a star unless it's a falling star.
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Lack of trust between the GM/HC is why they are where they are. Ricky needs to own the Os screw up and that's why BOB distanced himself from the Os decision. It's a career killer when one way or the other BOB is gone after this season.
 
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Savage -
To be the man you got to beat the man. Take the job and don't let go - if DW wants it, make him out perform you - no shame in losing an honest competition (as opposed to top-secret practices). That would make the Texans a far better team than simply giving the job to the QB de jour.
 
Flyingfish said:
Savage -
To be the man you got to beat the man. Take the job and don't let go - if DW wants it, make him out perform you - no shame in losing an honest competition (as opposed to top-secret practices). That would make the Texans a far better team than simply giving the job to the QB de jour.
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Listen to "Stranglehold" while thinking of this. I see Savage taking said stranglehold on the job and forcing the issue between OB and RS. I don't think Savage will back down from the challenge and he will show up his naysayers.
 
DocBar said:
Listen to "Stranglehold" while thinking of this. I see Savage taking said stranglehold on the job and forcing the issue between OB and RS. I don't think Savage will back down from the challenge and he will show up his naysayers.
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Assuming he doesn't break a hip or something.
 
DocBar said:
Listen to "Stranglehold" while thinking of this. I see Savage taking said stranglehold on the job and forcing the issue between OB and RS. I don't think Savage will back down from the challenge and he will show up his naysayers.
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Good song. Bad analogy. Savage is what he has always been, a 4th round backup QB.
 
DocBar said:
Listen to "Stranglehold" while thinking of this. I see Savage taking said stranglehold on the job and forcing the issue between OB and RS. I don't think Savage will back down from the challenge and he will show up his naysayers.
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I'm rooting for the kid too. I've always thought he had what it took to be a competent starter in the NFL. Sadly now that we have Watson in the building, he's assuredly a goner now regardless of his performance.
 
Mr teX said:
I'm rooting for the kid too. I've always thought he had what it took to be a competent starter in the NFL. Sadly now that we have Watson in the building, he's assuredly a goner now regardless of his performance.
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If Savage can be a big part of the Texans reaching the AFCCG, I would be shocked if he wasn't signed to a long term contract. The team could always use Watson as trade bait, if that were to happen, and maybe get the draft picks back that were given to Cleveland.
 
DocBar said:
If Savage can be a big part of the Texans reaching the AFCCG, I would be shocked if he wasn't signed to a long term contract. The team could always use Watson as trade bait, if that were to happen, and maybe get the draft picks back that were given to Cleveland.
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the problem with that is he'd have some other team offering him more money & likely the uncontested starting position. Also, i as well as many other texans wouldn't want the texans committing long term to him until he could show that he could stay healthy for at least 2 seasons in a row.......furthermore with what they gave up to get Watson, he ain't going nowhere. This team is his....for sure by 2018.
 
Mr teX said:
the problem with that is he'd have some other team offering him more money & likely the uncontested starting position. Also, i as well as many other texans wouldn't want the texans committing long term to him until he could show that he could stay healthy for at least 2 seasons in a row.......furthermore with what they gave up to get Watson, he ain't going nowhere. This team is his....for sure by 2018.
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Since Watson will be relatively cheap at that time, they could franchise Savage for 2018 if he's playing at a high enough level. That would give them one more year to see if he maintains the level of play and can stay healthy
 
michaelm said:
Since Watson will be relatively cheap at that time, they could franchise Savage for 2018 if he's playing at a high enough level. That would give them one more year to see if he maintains the level of play and can stay healthy
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True, but i think the writings on the wall for Savage. With Watson clearly being the heir apparent, 2017 is going to be a big audition for Savage. Even if he plays well, i don't see the Texans being able to keep him...especially if they franchise tag him in 2018. If i got a raise that put me in the top percentile of people doing my job i'd be estatic.....to these guys, that's a slap in the face.....they act like their contracts are guaranteed or something.....:mcnugget:
 
You know you are in QB hell when you are talking about franchise tagging a guy that has in the last 3 seasons has played 5 games, never thrown a a TD, had less that 100 attempts combined, had QB after QB brought in to start in front of him, is only the starter because another teams QB retired and, oh yeah, been injured every season since he signed.

:toropalm:
 
maverick512000 said:
You know you are in QB hell when you are talking about franchise tagging a guy that has in the last 3 seasons has played 5 games, never thrown a a TD, had less that 100 attempts combined, had QB after QB brought in to start in front of him, is only the starter because another teams QB retired and, oh yeah, been injured every season since he signed.

:toropalm:
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While the guy you spent two first rounders on sit on the bench.
 
maverick512000 said:
You know you are in QB hell when you are talking about franchise tagging a guy that has in the last 3 seasons has played 5 games, never thrown a a TD, had less that 100 attempts combined, had QB after QB brought in to start in front of him, is only the starter because another teams QB retired and, oh yeah, been injured every season since he signed.

:toropalm:
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I thought it was obvious but my scenario of Savage being franchised is based on him playing the 2017 season well, which most likely means he played every game.
So assuming he plays well for a full season, franchising him seems to be the most logical way to get a full second season to evaluate him in 2018 without committing to a long term contact.
 
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