What's your plan for QB next season?

[steelbtexan]

Dak was drafted as QB3; 4th round 135th pick. Too soon to say we missed out on him. His situation was way different than ours. He was Romo's backup backup and was forced via injuries into a great situation. Hand the ball off to 4th overall pick from his same draft, let that massive OL maul people, and don't turn the ball over.

Cousins - 100% I agree that was miss. No argument there.


I looked up thread 13 pages and didn't see your plan. Maybe our disconnect is in the definition of realistic. We had the 21st pick in that draft. Philly gave up the following to move up to #2 overall:
Philadelphia's first-round, third-round, and fourth-round selections in the 2016 draft (8th, 77th, and 100th) as well as Philadelphia's first-round selection in the 2017 NFL Draft (12th) and second-round selection in the 2018 NFL Draft (TBD).

We flat out did not have the ammunition to move up to get him. Completely unrealistic to say we missed on Wentz.

QB's available that Ricky has passed on since Schaub's injury.

NFC East

Dak
Cousins
Wentz

NFC North
Cutler
Teddy
Bradford

NFC South
Brees

NFC West
Palmer
Wilson
CK

AFC East
Jimmy G
Taylor

AFC North
Dalton
McCarron
RG III

AFC South
None

AFC West
Carr
Smith

So yes Ricky has had plenty of chances to find HIS QB over the last decade. I also think the McNair's have been paralyzed by the HWNSNBM 1st pick in franchise history.

 

[Texansballer74]

Oh boy we have so many draft experts on here. Hahaha

Come on Rick and Co. Let's get this quarterback position right for a change. So we could stop going back and forth on who we should draft or when we should , said QB.

I surely hope you guys are right about Savage.

 

[steelbtexan]

Last yr it was like, wait till next yr. Remeber when people were saying wait for Barkley? Every yr, its wait on next yr for a qb.

Not every yr, the yr McCarron/ Carr/Jimmy G/Bortles etc.. was a yr that I wanted them to pick their QB. I also wanted them to trade for Goff last yr. This yr I want them to get Mahomes and if they have to trade up so be it. I don't want them to just pick a QB because they need a QB.

If you don't have the stomach to trade up for Mahomes then lets see what Savage has and pick a QB next yr. I don't see another QB out there that I can say this guy is definitively better than Savage. So fix the OL/secondary this yr and draft a QB in the draft that is more QB friendly.

That's what my QB plan would plan. I would also trade down (If Possible) for more ammo to be able to trade up in 2018 for my QB. Also I would probably draft a guy like Kaaya or Dobbs to compete with my 2018 drafted QB, if Savage proves not to be the guy. If Savage is the guy you have a young QB that can learn from the bench until Savage gets hurt again.

 

[Corrosion]

Oh boy we have so many draft experts on here. Hahaha

Come on Rick and Co. Let's get this quarterback position right for a change. So we could stop going back and forth on who we should draft or when we should , said QB.

I surely hope you guys are right about Savage.

There's a handful of people on this forum who have either been involved in the business , have inside information and or know the game very well ....

There's a more than few people who are either full of sh!t or don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

You figure out who's who ....

 

[leebigeztx]

Not every yr, the yr McCarron/ Carr/Jimmy G/Bortles etc.. was a yr that I wanted them to pick their QB. I also wanted them to trade for Goff last yr. This yr I want them to get Mahomes and if they have to trade up so be it. I don't want them to just pick a QB because they need a QB.

If you don't have the stomach to trade up for Mahomes then lets see what Savage has and pick a QB next yr. I don't see another QB out there that I can say this guy is definitively better than Savage. So fix the OL/secondary this yr and draft a QB in the draft that is more QB friendly.

That's what my QB plan would plan. I would also trade down (If Possible) for more ammo to be able to trade up in 2018 for my QB. Also I would probably draft a guy like Kaaya or Dobbs to compete with my 2018 drafted QB, if Savage proves not to be the guy. If Savage is the guy you have a young QB that can learn from the bench until Savage gets hurt again.

There isn't never a good year to take a qb. If you listen, teams are always in win now mode. I would take a qb every other yr in the 1st 3rds until I found the guy. Why? You're gonna get fired if you don't have one, so you might as well keep looking. Look at Billick as an example. Won a bowl with a all time defense in 2000. Seven yrs later he was fired because he and Ozzie missed in free agency and the draft. Dungy was fired because for the same reason. Even after Gruden won a bowl, he was shown the door because he couldn't settle on a qb. You have to have one, if you don't, you can't win consistently the way the rules are set up.

 

[steelbtexan]

There isn't never a good year to take a qb. If you listen, teams are always in win now mode. I would take a qb every other yr in the 1st 3rds until I found the guy. Why? You're gonna get fired if you don't have one, so you might as well keep looking. Look at Billick as an example. Won a bowl with a all time defense in 2000. Seven yrs later he was fired because he and Ozzie missed in free agency and the draft. Dungy was fired because for the same reason. Even after Gruden won a bowl, he was shown the door because he couldn't settle on a qb. You have to have one, if you don't, you can't win consistently the way the rules are set up.

I like your plan too and agree with you about the HC's getting fired because the GM cant find a QB.

 

[thunderkyss]

It's walterfootball so heed caution:

Charlie Campbell @DraftCampbell
I'm hearing it is extremely likely the #Texans trade up for a quarterback. http://www.walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill …

1:04 PM - 26 Apr 2017

Anyone with a trade chart? What's it going to take to go from 25 to 15?

 

[DX-TEX]

Lance Zierlein‏Verified account
@LanceZierlein

Is there any way to do my mock draft over and NOT put a QB with the Texans?

Lance Zierlen 20 minutes ago.

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If your city riots over not taking a quarterback who is sliding out of the first round then so be it.

Responding to a question about Mahomes and Watson

No way the top three are there at 25
Lance Zierlein‏Verified account
@LanceZierlein

Replying to @MrDickTrickle
Not so sure about that

I think he is saying Tribusky, Watson and Mahomes are ALL falling

SO basically the talk from earlier that the Texans love both Mahomes and Watson is likely agent talk to try and build their stock because they are falling? Possibly out of the 1st round?

 

[thunderkyss]

Then you end up like the colts, franchise QB that can't do anything because the rest of the team was sacrificed to get him. As important as the QB position is you still need people for him to throw to and an Oline to give him at least 3 seconds to throw the ball. Not to mention a defense to keep the other team from running away with the game.

Steelb is right in that this is not how the Colts got Luck. They didn't throw away their draft, they threw away a season, tanked to get the #1 overall position the year Luck had no option but to enter the draft.

They only just paid him so much they couldn't afford to pay their own FAs much less other FAs. Their biggest problem has been poor drafting & poor player development (coaching).

Wrong

Look at the Texans Ol. A young interior of Manz/Martin and adding an ot in the 2nd like Motons. Then Trade a 2018 2nd and 3rd to get a young Let in 2018.. Say the young like McGlinchey and you may not even have to trade into the 1st rd to get him.

A ol of McGlinchey/Allen/Mancz/Moton should be solid for another 5yrs.

The defense is young so that shouldn't be a problem. Minus Cushing/Joseph.

Let me put on to you this way. Would you trade Fuller/2017/2018/2019. 1sts for Wentz. I would.

If the qb isn't there don't force it. In 2018 I would trade 3 1sts for Darnold/Rosen, or 2 1sts for Stidham who I think is going to be really good

I'm still not sold on Wentz. Unlike Flacco, Ben, & other non FBS (Division I-A or whatever they're calling it) QBs, none of the FBS schools wanted him to play QB. He's got a good skill set, & the first couple of games he looked pretty good. After that, meh....

He's got a tough schedule in 2017. If he finishes this season better than last, I'll start to believe he was worth the #2 overall.... heck, a first round pick. But right now, I th8nk he was way over drafted.

But we had a chance to get Connor Cook & passed on him three times. Maybe not the superstar potential Wentz has, but I'm talking about taking him in the third instead of Braxton Miller.

 

[thunderkyss]

Last yr it was like, wait till next yr. Remeber when people were saying wait for Barkley? Every yr, its wait on next yr for a qb.

Remember in 2010 when people were saying wait till next year? Or 2014?

QBs worthy of the 1st overall don't come around often, but they do come around.

Thing is we don't need a QB worthy of the #1 ovreall. All we need is a QB worthy of #25 overall & a staff capable of developing him.

I don't think we have the staff to develop a QB, so I can understand if the Texans don't want to invest a 1st or 2nd round pick on a QB. Let that staff prove they can do better than what we saw last season then I might invest a first round pick on a QB. If that staff could get early Dalton or Tannehill type production out of Savage, I'd be willing to trade an entire draft to get them whatever QB they want.

Still, I can understand those saying there won't be a QB worthy of that #25 pick, wait till next year.

I'm just not sold their won't be a QB there worthy of 25.

 

[zshawn10]

Pancakes said on 610 that he had been in contact with Mahome's agent and they said they have been in contact with two teams in the top 15

 

[thunderkyss]

There isn't never a good year to take a qb. If you listen, teams are always in win now mode. I would take a qb every other yr in the 1st 3rds until I found the guy. Why? You're gonna get fired if you don't have one, so you might as well keep looking. Look at Billick as an example. Won a bowl with a all time defense in 2000. Seven yrs later he was fired because he and Ozzie missed in free agency and the draft. Dungy was fired because for the same reason. Even after Gruden won a bowl, he was shown the door because he couldn't settle on a qb. You have to have one, if you don't, you can't win consistently the way the rules are set up.

I don't know that they got fired because they couldn't find a QB. They got fired because they couldn't develop a QB. I don't think there's much difference between Kyle Bollar & Joe Flacco. The biggest difference was the coach.

Same thing in Tampa. Gruden didn't have a problem picking a QB. His problem was teaching them.

 

[zshawn10]

Braddock was saying on 790 this morning that if Mahomes or Watson is there at 16 we might trade up with Baltimore.

 

[steelbtexan]

I don't know that they got fired be a useful they couldn't find a QB. They got fired because they couldn't develop a QB. I don't think there's much difference between Kyle Bollar & Joe Flacco. The biggest difference was the coach.

Same thing in Tampa. Gruden didn't have a problem picking a QB. His problem was teaching them.

Boller just wasn't very good. But atleast Ozzie took a shot at finding his QB and when that didn't workout he took another shot on Flacco. How many shots like that has Ricky taken in the last decade? Truth be told I'm not sure the lack of picking a QB falls entirely on Ricky. I think after HWMSNBM the McNair's are still gun shy about picking a QB early.

Sounds like this is about to change.

 

[JB]

Then you end up like the colts, franchise QB that can't do anything because the rest of the team was sacrificed to get him. As important as the QB position is you still need people for him to throw to and an Oline to give him at least 3 seconds to throw the ball. Not to mention a defense to keep the other team from running away with the game.

I understand what you are saying, but bad example. Colts didn't give up anything to draft either Manning or Luck. They did squander a bit with the large extension for Luck, but that hasn't really come into play yet. They just bad mostly doing of the former GM and the current coach

 

[TripleTap]

Rumor tonight is Browns trying to (Moneyball) trade down from 12th pick in 1st round. Take this to mean they are taking Trubisky at 1 and forgetting about Garrett.

Source: Pro Football Rumors--

"The Browns called teams below them on Wednesday to ask if any would be interested in acquiring the 12th selection, reports Michael Lombardi of The Ringer (Twitterlinks)."

 

[JB]

Wrong

Look at the Texans Ol. A young interior of Manz/Martin and adding an ot in the 2nd like Motons. Then Trade a 2018 2nd and 3rd to get a young Let in 2018.. Say the young like McGlinchey and you may not even have to trade into the 1st rd to get him.

A ol of McGlinchey/Allen/Mancz/Moton should be solid for another 5yrs.

The defense is young so that shouldn't be a problem. Minus Cushing/Joseph.

Let me put on to you this way. Would you trade Fuller/2017/2018/2019. 1sts for Wentz. I would.

If the qb isn't there don't force it. In 2018 I would trade 3 1sts for Darnold/Rosen, or 2 1sts for Stidham who I think is going to be really good

Aren't you tired of saying "next year will be better"?

 

[Max]

Anyone with a trade chart? What's it going to take to go from 25 to 15?

25 to 15 would 'cost' 330 points -- exactly equivalent to our 2nd round pick. My best guess is if they're thinking qb in the 1st and their guy is there at 22-23, they'll trade up to make sure no one jumps in front of us. The points are roughly equivalent to one of our 4ths -- which one depending on if we move up 2 or 3. I wouldn't complain if we trade up a couple of spots for Mahomes.

 

[JB]

QB's available that Ricky has passed on since Schaub's injury.



NFC South
Brees


So yes Ricky has had plenty of chances to find HIS QB over the last decade. I also think the McNair's have been paralyzed by the HWNSNBM 1st pick in franchise history.

How do lay Brees on Ricky? RS was not even a Texan when Brees was available

 

[JB]

There's a handful of people on this forum who have either been involved in the business , have inside information and or know the game very well ....

There's a more than few people who are either full of sh!t or don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

You figure out who's who ....

And plenty of people that are neither...

 

[steelbtexan]

Aren't you tired of saying "next year will be better"?

Nope, if they can get Mahomes.

I don't always say next yr, example the Jimmy G/Carr/McCarron/Teddy yr.

2018 reminds me of that yr.

I would draft a QB in rd.3-4 this yr if Mahomes isn't there at 25 and if Savage isn't the guy I spend the draft capital to draft a QB very high in 2018. Then let the 2017 3rd compete with the high 2018 for the starters job. Hopefully Savage plays well and this is all a moot point.

 

[steelbtexan]

How do lay Brees on Ricky? RS was not even a Texan when Brees was available

I thought Brees signed in 2007.

I was wrong, my memory isn't what it used to be.

 

[JB]

Boller just wasn't very good. But atleast Ozzie took a shot at finding his QB and when that didn't workout he took another shot on Flacco. How many shots like that has Ricky taken in the last decade? Truth be told I'm not sure the lack of picking a QB falls entirely on Ricky. I think after HWMSNBM the McNair's are still gun shy about picking a QB early.

Sounds like this is about to change.

Boller wasn't very good, but neither is Flacco. Wouldn't you love to have either now after the Os experiment?

 

[JB]

Nope, if they can get Mahomes.

I don't always say next yr, example the Jimmy G/Carr/McCarron/Teddy yr.

2018 reminds me of that yr.

I would draft a QB in rd.3-4 this yr if Mahomes isn't there at 25 and if Savage isn't the guy I spend the draft capital to draft a QB very high in 2018. Then let the 2017 3rd compete with the high 2018 for the starters job. Hopefully Savage plays well and this is all a moot point.

I guess it's gonna come down to if Mahomes or Watson is worth whatever they have to give up to get either. If they think so they should do whatever it takes and I hope they do. And if the one they choose ain't worth it, fire everybody. But if they don't move up, the cost isn't worth it and I'll be happy if they get a RT and then a QB in the 2nd.

I want either Mahomes, Watson or Peterman out of this draft and a quality RT also.

This year needs to be either 12-4 or 4-12

 

[maverick512000]

Steelb is right in that this is not how the Colts got Luck. They didn't throw away their draft, they threw away a season, tanked to get the #1 overall position the year Luck had no option but to enter the draft.

They only just paid him so much they couldn't afford to pay their own FAs much less other FAs. Their biggest problem has been poor drafting & poor player development (coaching).

Never said they gave up their draft, I fully remember the whole "suck for Luck" thing. I said you'd end up like them in that you would have a QB but no team to back them. Just because they didn't end up that way from giving up their draft doesn't mean you can't end up there by throwing away your draft.

Wrong

Look at the Texans Ol. A young interior of Manz/Martin and adding an ot in the 2nd like Motons. Then Trade a 2018 2nd and 3rd to get a young Let in 2018.. Say the young like McGlinchey and you may not even have to trade into the 1st rd to get him.

A ol of McGlinchey/Allen/Mancz/Moton should be solid for another 5yrs.

The defense is young so that shouldn't be a problem. Minus Cushing/Joseph.

Let me put on to you this way. Would you trade Fuller/2017/2018/2019. 1sts for Wentz. I would.

If the qb isn't there don't force it. In 2018 I would trade 3 1sts for Darnold/Rosen, or 2 1sts for Stidham who I think is going to be really good

Not in a million years, Wentz has shown that the potential is there but he didn't exactly light the world on fire in 16. Seriously how can you in other posts talk about all the holes in the team and how bad Rick Smith is and then come here and say you'd trade away the 4 years of first rounds for an unproven rookie. That has got to be the most asinine thing I have read yet concerning the draft and that's saying something, and people say I don't value draft picks enough.

Also you are basically guaranteeing that in 5 years you are back in rebuild mode because all those young players you talk about will be a lot older. 4-5 years in a lifetime in the NFL and you can never draft for depth because now you're playing catch up.

 

[Corrosion]

This year needs to be either 12-4 or 4-12

TK was talking about how the Dolts got Luck earlier in the thread .... they threw away a season to land the #1 pick.


But really .... is it really throwing away a season if you didn't have a chance to begin with ?!

Aren't you better off as a franchise tanking for a season (or two) to get a talent like Luck when the rules so favor those teams with super star quarterbacks ?! Hell not only do they make plays .... they get calls just like superstars in the NBA. Cant tackle them wrong or too hard ... they also get calls down field or at least it seems like the Brady's and Rodgers of the world get those calls more often than their average or below counterparts.


The alternative is what we've watched this Texans franchise do for the last 5 years .... flounder around in the middle of the pack with no chance for the hardware at the end of the season. I now , someone's gonna say Luck hasn't won any Lombardi's .... but that's more due to the failure of that franchise around him than anything else.

Teams in the NBA tank every year because they know without that superstar they can forget about it. The NFL has contorted the rules such that without that superstar QB , not just any position but specifically Quarterback , teams have no chance going in , no matter how good the rest of that team is.

 

[JB]

TK was talking about how the Dolts got Luck earlier in the thread .... they threw away a season to land the #1 pick.


But really .... is it really throwing away a season if you didn't have a chance to begin with ?!

Aren't you better off as a franchise tanking for a season (or two) to get a talent like Luck when the rules so favor those teams with super star quarterbacks ?! Hell not only do they make plays .... they get calls just like superstars in the NBA. Cant tackle them wrong or too hard ... they also get calls down field or at least it seems like the Brady's and Rodgers of the world get those calls more often than their average or below counterparts.


The alternative is what we've watched this Texans franchise do for the last 5 years .... flounder around in the middle of the pack with no chance for the hardware at the end of the season. I now , someone's gonna say Luck hasn't won any Lombardi's .... but that's more due to the failure of that franchise around him than anything else.

Teams in the NBA tank every year because they know without that superstar they can forget about it. The NFL has contorted the rules such that without that superstar QB , not just any position but specifically Quarterback , teams have no chance going in , no matter how good the rest of that team is.

I wasn't even thinking of tanking. If they select a QB in the first they need to play him and let him show something or not. Hence the 12-4 or 4-12 comment. I don't want to draft a QB in the first and then not give him a shot at all this year cuz then we are just pushing things down the road another year. I want him either to be competent or lousy giving us a better shot at getting one next year. Worst thing can happen to us is another year of mediocrity in my opinion

 

[Max]

I'd move up for Trubisky but I'm not sure how high. At a certain point, the cost would be higher than my comfort level with the prospect.

I'm interested in your take on Trubisky (or anyone else that has studied him). I hadn't watched a lot of film on him til just now as I had understood he'd be gone by our pick. I saw a lot of read option plays that made it a little difficult to project how his game translates -- but some of the things I wonder if he'll struggle with is his pocket presence and accuracy. I think he has a good sense of pressure coming his way, but he likes to run when he feels it. He wasn't really asked to sit in the pocket much in that offense so it was difficult to get a read on. He's a big kid that can sling it but the 2 games I watched, I wasn't impressed with his accuracy. I was left with the impression of a Blaine Gabbert ceiling. What did I miss?

 

[steelbtexan]

Never said they gave up their draft, I fully remember the whole "suck for Luck" thing. I said you'd end up like them in that you would have a QB but no team to back them. Just because they didn't end up that way from giving up their draft doesn't mean you can't end up there by throwing away your draft.



Not in a million years, Wentz has shown that the potential is there but he didn't exactly light the world on fire in 16. Seriously how can you in other posts talk about all the holes in the team and how bad Rick Smith is and then come here and say you'd trade away the 4 years of first rounds for an unproven rookie. That has got to be the most asinine thing I have read yet concerning the draft and that's saying something, and people say I don't value draft picks enough.

Also you are basically guaranteeing that in 5 years you are back in rebuild mode because all those young players you talk about will be a lot older. 4-5 years in a lifetime in the NFL and you can never draft for depth because now you're playing catch up.

You wouldn't have to give up 5 yrs. I used that figured to make a point on how valuable a franchise QB is. It would take 3 1sts to trade up and maybe a 2nd somewhere along the way. Would you give up Fuller , this yrs #1 and 2018 #1 for Wentz? I would no questions asked.

As far as filling other needs, you can draft great starters outside RD.1.

Look at the Packers Ol as an example Bahkitiari/Lang/Lindley/Taylor/Bulaga, How many of those guys were drafted in rd.1 (Bulaga) Of course with Ricky's track record in rds 2-4 doing a trade like this would be suicide. So you are correct sir.

 

[steelbtexan]

TK was talking about how the Dolts got Luck earlier in the thread .... they threw away a season to land the #1 pick.


But really .... is it really throwing away a season if you didn't have a chance to begin with ?!

Aren't you better off as a franchise tanking for a season (or two) to get a talent like Luck when the rules so favor those teams with super star quarterbacks ?! Hell not only do they make plays .... they get calls just like superstars in the NBA. Cant tackle them wrong or too hard ... they also get calls down field or at least it seems like the Brady's and Rodgers of the world get those calls more often than their average or below counterparts.


The alternative is what we've watched this Texans franchise do for the last 5 years .... flounder around in the middle of the pack with no chance for the hardware at the end of the season. I now , someone's gonna say Luck hasn't won any Lombardi's .... but that's more due to the failure of that franchise around him than anything else.

Teams in the NBA tank every year because they know without that superstar they can forget about it. The NFL has contorted the rules such that without that superstar QB , not just any position but specifically Quarterback , teams have no chance going in , no matter how good the rest of that team is.

Which is why I'm liking the NFL less and less. I still enjoy the draft, even though God'ell has done his best to screw that up too. The Crawfish boil on Saturday during the draft isn't the same. But we still have a great time.

 

[steelbtexan]

TK was talking about how the Dolts got Luck earlier in the thread .... they threw away a season to land the #1 pick.


But really .... is it really throwing away a season if you didn't have a chance to begin with ?!

Aren't you better off as a franchise tanking for a season (or two) to get a talent like Luck when the rules so favor those teams with super star quarterbacks ?! Hell not only do they make plays .... they get calls just like superstars in the NBA. Cant tackle them wrong or too hard ... they also get calls down field or at least it seems like the Brady's and Rodgers of the world get those calls more often than their average or below counterparts.


The alternative is what we've watched this Texans franchise do for the last 5 years .... flounder around in the middle of the pack with no chance for the hardware at the end of the season. I now , someone's gonna say Luck hasn't won any Lombardi's .... but that's more due to the failure of that franchise around him than anything else.

Teams in the NBA tank every year because they know without that superstar they can forget about it. The NFL has contorted the rules such that without that superstar QB , not just any position but specifically Quarterback , teams have no chance going in , no matter how good the rest of that team is.

Which is why I'm liking the NFL less and less. I still enjoy the draft, even though God'ell has done his best to screw that up too. The Crawfish boil on Saturday during the draft isn't the same. But we still have a great time.

 

[JB]

You wouldn't have to give up 5 yrs. I used that figured to make a point on how valuable a franchise QB is. It would take 3 1sts to trade up and maybe a 2nd somewhere along the way. Would you give up Fuller , this yrs #1 and 2018 #1 for Wentz? I would no questions asked.

As far as filling other needs, you can draft great starters outside RD.1.

Look at the Packers Ol as an example Bahkitiari/Lang/Lindley/Taylor/Bulaga, How many of those guys were drafted in rd.1 (Bulaga) Of course with Ricky's track record in rds 2-4 doing a trade like this would be suicide. So you are correct sir.

Not sure I like Wentz that much because I haven't seen enough but I agree with your premise. If you think he's a star franchise QB, ain't no price really too high

 

[leebigeztx]

Boller just wasn't very good. But atleast Ozzie took a shot at finding his QB and when that didn't workout he took another shot on Flacco. How many shots like that has Ricky taken in the last decade? Truth be told I'm not sure the lack of picking a QB falls entirely on Ricky. I think after HWMSNBM the McNair's are still gun shy about picking a QB early.

Sounds like this is about to change.

I agree and it also shows even someone like Ozzie can miss. The so called qb whisperer Billick, Kyle Boller and the qb from kc, and it didn't work. Then they got a special teams coach with an aging, declining defense and rookie qb from Delaware. It wasn't pretty and Flacco was viewed as holding the team back for a few yrs , but he got hot in back to back playoffs and got a contract. Nobody has called Flacco elite, but he's been the qb for 10 yrs.

 

[Corrosion]

I wasn't even thinking of tanking. If they select a QB in the first they need to play him and let him show something or not. Hence the 12-4 or 4-12 comment. I don't want to draft a QB in the first and then not give him a shot at all this year cuz then we are just pushing things down the road another year. I want him either to be competent or lousy giving us a better shot at getting one next year. Worst thing can happen to us is another year of mediocrity in my opinion

I was just kinda responding to / expanding upon TK's post about the Dolts and agreeing with your point at the same time.

I totally agree with the bottom line , another year stuck in the middle is about the worst thing that can happen.

I give them credit for taking a shot with TBWoO .... doing exactly what you said , throwing him out there to see what he can do. He flopped ,they hit the eject button .... nothing on the FA market this time , gotta look to the draft and try again.

 

[Texansballer74]

Remember in 2010 when people were saying wait till next year? Or 2014?

QBs worthy of the 1st overall don't come around often, but they do come around.

Thing is we don't need a QB worthy of the #1 ovreall. All we need is a QB worthy of #25 overall & a staff capable of developing him.

I don't think we have the staff to develop a QB, so I can understand if the Texans don't want to invest a 1st or 2nd round pick on a QB. Let that staff prove they can do better than what we saw last season then I might invest a first round pick on a QB. If that staff could get early Dalton or Tannehill type production out of Savage, I'd be willing to trade an entire draft to get them whatever QB they want.

Still, I can understand those saying there won't be a QB worthy of that #25 pick, wait till next year.

I'm just not sold their won't be a QB there worthy of 25.

Well this season will most definitely show us if they know how to develop a quarterback. Savage been in development for 4 years. So here's Bill O'Brien chance to show us what he's capable of.

I dont know who is worthy or not but we have to take a chance.

 

[TheMatrix31]

I really hope we leverage everyone knowing we need a QB into something really, really, really good.

Good management would use the **** out of this. Wish we had that, lol.

 

[sandman]

I really hope we leverage everyone knowing we need a QB into something really, really, really good.

Good management would use the **** out of this. Wish we had that, lol.

Wouldn't the opposite be true? Because everyone knows the Texans need a QB, they are not in a position of power. Tough to leverage anything in that situation without giving up more than you want in order to get what you need.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Well, look at what NE does year end and year out at the back of the draft. That organization just knows how to be successful. There is no fear in cutting veterans for cap purposes or being down right bold and cutthroat on draft day.

We as fans may not like NE but you have to respect the way they go about getting their day to day business done.

 

[TheMatrix31]

Wouldn't the opposite be true? Because everyone knows the Texans need a QB, they are not in a position of power. Tough to leverage anything in that situation without giving up more than you want in order to get what you need.

Moreso manipulating teams around you to act under the presumption that you *really* want a QB only to force the players you actually do want to fall to you, to do dumb trades to jump ahead of you, etc.

 

[sandman]

Moreso manipulating teams around you to act under the presumption that you *really* want a QB only to force the players you actually do want to fall to you, to do dumb trades to jump ahead of you, etc.

I'm not a Rick hater, but that might be giving him too much credit.

 

[thunderkyss]

TK was talking about how the Dolts got Luck earlier in the thread .... they threw away a season to land the #1 pick.


But really .... is it really throwing away a season if you didn't have a chance to begin with ?!

Aren't you better off as a franchise tanking for a season (or two) to get a talent like Luck when the rules so favor those teams with super star quarterbacks ?! Hell not only do they make plays .... they get calls just like superstars in the NBA. Cant tackle them wrong or too hard ... they also get calls down field or at least it seems like the Brady's and Rodgers of the world get those calls more often than their average or below counterparts.


The alternative is what we've watched this Texans franchise do for the last 5 years .... flounder around in the middle of the pack with no chance for the hardware at the end of the season. I now , someone's gonna say Luck hasn't won any Lombardi's .... but that's more due to the failure of that franchise around him than anything else.

But isn't that the same thing? The Colts have failed to put any semblance of a Super Bowl winning team around Luck. The Texans have failed to land a QB capable of winning a Super Bowl.

But I think people who don't do their best every year tend to fall into traps. If they're willing to mail it in at the upper levels, it spreads to the lower levels. Then when the man upstairs wants to start winning again, he's got to turn the mindset of everybody in that organization. Football is the ultimate teams sport (imo) & it's too hard to line up the hundred or so minds that need to be lined up to win a Championship. Owner, GM, Coach, Scouts, trainers, players... everybody.

Now the Colts had a strong tradition of winning & tanking that one season didn't throw them off track too bad. But a team like ours who's only been barely winning. Tank one season & the last 12 years have been for naught & you're likely starting over with mindsets & behaviors.

Winners win. Losers don't.

Teams in the NBA tank every year because they know without that superstar they can forget about it. The NFL has contorted the rules such that without that superstar QB , not just any position but specifically Quarterback , teams have no chance going in , no matter how good the rest of that team is.

NBA is a lot different. Still a team game, but with only five guys... one player can make the difference from year to year. The Rockets get a James Harden, or a Dwight Howard, or both & that mindset can be driven from the ground up. They can see the end of the tunnel.

Football... you can have an Andre Johnson & everybody knows he can't throw the ball to himself.

 

[Lucky]

Moreso manipulating teams around you to act under the presumption that you *really* want a QB only to force the players you actually do want to fall to you, to do dumb trades to jump ahead of you, etc.

You know, there's a good reason teams think the Texans would want a QB. They've seen the Texans offense in action. Rick's work has been done. No manipulation required.

 

[thunderkyss]

Well this season will most definitely show us if they know how to develop a quarterback. Savage been in development for 4 years. So here's Bill O'Brien chance to show us what he's capable of.

I dont know who is worthy or not but we have to take a chance.

I think I get where you're coming from. Maybe I'm reading too much into the way you wrote it.

I do not like the connotation of "take a chance." They better know imo. If they're throwing darts at a board, I'd just as soon have Texian & Steelb making the picks. Drafting a guy in the first round just because Mayock says he's a first round talent (which he isn't saying, but some people are) doesn't make sense to me.

I have absolutely no problem with the Texans passing on all the QBs they did pass on in 2014. O'b said from the beginning that there were 6 guys who were pretty similar prospects. I'm hoping Savage was one of them. I thought McCarron should have been one of them & he looked pretty good when he had a chance to play. But I thought Mettenberger was one of them as well & he didn't look so good.

"taking a chance" sounds like gambling & taking a guy because you have to take a guy. If (and I'm saying if) O'b is in love with Beathard, I'd rather he take him in the 5th than drafting him in the first because it'll make people think he's more talented as a first round pick.

I'd rather he takes an OL in the first & his QB in the 5th, rather than a first round guy to take a chance on & the 5th round guy he really wanted.

/rant

 

[thunderkyss]

Well, look at what NE does year end and year out at the back of the draft. That organization just knows how to be successful. There is no fear in cutting veterans for cap purposes or being down right bold and cutthroat on draft day.

We as fans may not like NE but you have to respect the way they go about getting their day to day business done.

New England is very good at developing players & coaches. They're very good at getting what they need out of what they're players & coaches can do.

I hope Bill O'Brien is working on that... especially the developing coaches part. I hope that's what he means by "I have to coach better." Not just him, but everyone on his staff.

 

[steelbtexan]

Well this season will most definitely show us if they know how to develop a quarterback. Savage been in development for 4 years. So here's Bill O'Brien chance to show us what he's capable of.

I dont know who is worthy or not but we have to take a chance.

Agreed

I think you will be surprised IF Savage can stay healthy.

 

[Sigma]

Agreed

I think you will be surprised IF Savage can stay healthy.

I'm sure that I will be surprised if he will stay healthy

 

[steelbtexan]

Boller wasn't very good, but neither is Flacco. Wouldn't you love to have either now after the Os experiment?

Flacco is the Robert Horry of NFL QB's.

Plays his best when the lights are the brightest.

The anti Schaub.

 

[JB]

Flacco is the Robert Horry of NFL QB's.

Plays his best when the lights are the brightest.

The anti Schaub.

yeah he certainly did for that one year at least

 

[steelbtexan]

yeah he certainly did for that one year at least

Even when they lost to the Pats the yr the Pats beat the Seahawks, Flacco had a great game.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

Moreso manipulating teams around you to act under the presumption that you *really* want a QB only to force the players you actually do want to fall to you, to do dumb trades to jump ahead of you, etc.

If you are paying attention, the Texans have been doing just the opposite this off-season...acting as if they are ready to roll with Savage, so that the Texans don't seem to be so anxious to draft a QB...presumably to have some team NOT move in front of them.

Either way, the Texans are in position where the entire league knows that the team SHOULD be drafting a QB early, if not moving up top do so. There is no smoke or manipulation for the Texans to do in that regard at this point. Most of the league is not stupid.