I think the Texans limited success has been in spite of RS not because of
He's done some good things but so did Casserly here and did Grigerson(?) in Indy
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What's your plan for QB next season?
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I think the Texans limited success has been in spite of RS not because of
He's done some good things but so did Casserly here and did Grigerson(?) in Indy
After the hot garbage O'Brien has trotted out his first two years in selecting starters at QB, someone else should "make this call"
Which guy that O'Brien selected as the starter has lasted more than one season? Which guy that O'Brien has selected as his 'chosen one' wasn't benched before the season was over? By what measure has O'Brien even shown he knows how to pick a SOLID starting QB or can train him properly?
Agreed,
The person who chose Os should lose their job. He was historically bad.
BOB has distanced himself from that decision. (Rightfully so)
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No doubt about it, our success is due in large part to the decline of our division opponents.
But to say in spite of Rick Smith?
I'll say again, he gave Kubiak what he needed to put together one of the better offenses in the league over a period of time. Even though it was the most predictable, Kubiak had the tools to get the job done.
Rick Smith gave Wade & Crennel what they needed to put together one of the better defenses in the league over a period of time.
O'b comes in & he's got a system that isn't a system, talks about doing things one way but goes about doing it another. I'm not blaming O'b (I'm perfectly fine laying it all at the feet of Godsey), when the man looks at his TE group & tells them they're going to have a big day... & BAM!!! they have the best 8 or 9 game streak they've had since they been here. The same guys, Fiedo & Griffin.
I'm hoping O'b is a better OC than what we've had recently & that was the problem with our offense last season.
Rick Smith is part of the problem, I'm not saying different. Only how big a part of the problem is my question.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Man Kubiak did not want Manning here in Houston and he most definitely didn't want him in Denver. So yes he was forced on him old buddy.
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But hey keep dressing up your disdain for Rick Smith. Remember you said your not hating, lol
JB I've been hear long enough to know what hate looks like.
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But hey keep dressing up your disdain for Rick Smith. Remember you said your not hating, lol
JB I've been hear long enough to know what hate looks like.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That's the main problem a lot of us have with the structure of the front office. It's impossible to tell who's responsible for what moves. IMHO, it's also the reason that Smith has survived this long as the Texans GM. He's managed to become Teflon coated.
1st of all there's no hate in my heart for anybody. I just know that Ricky isn't very good at his job and will never bring a championship to this city. 2. Manning wasn't forced on Kubiak, Kubiak was forced to take the job? Nope, he took the job knowing Manning was already in Denver.
BTW, An esteemed relative of Kubiak's on this MB said Kubiak wanted Manning in Houston and Bob/Ricky McNair overruled him and that Kubiak certainly didn't want Schaub to get the early extension that Ricky gave Schaub.
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I don't think that a company should necessarily give public access to that kind of stuff.
the problem should be that the same issues continue repeating themselves, not that we are unaware of who's calling the shots
and the proof of that is, if we were aware of who was responsible of which choice, we still wouldn't have solved the issue.
the only way to solve the issue would be stop having the same issues as always and start winning, regardless of our awareness of who's making the choices
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Frankly what business is it of ours how they structure the front office. The Texans are privately owned so none of us have any skin in the game other than being fans. You can say well we buy tickets yeah we do so what?
I like eating at a steak house but that doesn't give me the right to tell them who should be the head chief. If someone doesn't like the way the Texans are structured then speak in the way all businesses understand, with your money.
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did you link to the wrong video?
PapaL
Loose Screw
Maybe we're in the wrong year?
Except public $$$$ was used to help get the team. So it's not the same thing as the steakhouse you're talking about. Plus the fact that my wife enjoys going to the games and I do too. After all of these yrs I just make fun of the bumbling idiots that bring in the Hoyer/Fitz/Os of the world. Humor is a good thing to have when watching the Texans. In the going to the circus kind of way.
Glad to see you've got no problem with the McNairs screwing up the QB position for a decade and a half. You're just the type of fan that the McNair's are looking for. But hey the team is still on the right track and mgmt doesn't want to do anything to traumatic. (In my best McNair bumbling idiot voice.) See, just thinking of that voice made me LOL. Thanks for your post.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Hate is only used in sports forum as a strong dislike. It does not mean you literally hate that particular person. Especially when we all know you never met the man or actually sat down and had a conversation with him.
My thing is why do you always have to put every freaking thing that went wrong with this franchise on him. Everybody in that front office shares a certain percentage to the things that has transpired back then and today.
Thunderkyss last statement was spot on. Rick has help put together a solid roster in the Kubiak/Wade era and O'Brien/Crennel era. It's up to the coaching staff and players to deliver the goods. Unfortunately that hasn't happened to their expectations as well as ours.
But,,, but you Steel can not put this solely on Rick Smith.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Well to address your point about public funding it was mainly for the stadium and NGR is used for a lot more than just the Texans. Honestly I would consider worth it for the rodeo alone.
Second just because you and your wife enjoy going to the game does not mean you have any kind of business knowing how the team is run or who's running it.
Finally what's with you and the personal attacks? Are you just completely unable to make your point without talking about how someone is "the type of fan McNair is looking for" just because they don't agree that McNair and and Smith have an evil plot to destroy football in Houston and that BoB is bravely trying to save us all.
Frankly I don't go to live games because my wife hates football as do most of my friends. So in that regard you are much more the type of fan they want because they are getting a lot more money from you then they are from me.
Also I saw the original version of this post so I know you went back and edited to add the whole type of fan thing. Way to stay classy there champ.
zshawn10
All Pro
I can see I offended you. I apologize and can see this discussion is going nowhere.
BTW I don't need to know anything about the Texans organization. Because what I do know is the way they are currently constructed will never win a championship.
Therefore let's agree to disagree and move on
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Oh you didn't offend me, I said before tone doesn't carry over text. If anything it more amused me.
However I do agree to disagree as we do seem to have different ideas on the Texans current set up. I personally think they are a dent QB away from a serious title run and if Os had of been at least slightly decent they could have won that NE game.
I notice that you didn't respond to the Kubiak/Manning part of my response. 2 coaching staffs have now failed to deliver the goods in the Rick Smith era. Maybe, just maybe the failure to deliver the goods falls on Smith. Nah he just needs another decade to grow on the job.
I see where we disagree,
I see them as having holes at QB/RT/NT/LB/S/CB after losing half of their secondary in FA and adding literally nobody in FA. This doesn't even account for the Wilfork retirement and the ineveitable decline of D. Brown/Cushing.
We in fact do have two different views of where this franchise is. Maybe we can revisit this post after the season. I'm sure this will all be BOB's fault.
Two ways to look at this.
- We didn't stand a chance of winning that Divisional round game against New England
- We were in the game for Three Qtrs & we need to find a way to be in the game for 4.
If you think #1 is more right, then we need to clean house. GM, HC, QB... start all over.
If you think #2 is more right, then we need to asses what we have & work towards getting better.
I think the Texans felt like they were in that game for three qtrs. They've already let us know the changes they've made to get better. O'b will take over the offense. Vrabel will take over the defense. Crennel will help with HC duties.
As far as the holes we need to address... We need a QB, we need a RT. I'm not going to argue with you there. However, maybe (I don't know, but maybe) the Texans feel like there wasn't anything in FA to upgrade over Tom Savage & Kendall Lamm. I know there wasn't a QB or RT that I thought we should make a move on, not that that should mean anything.
NT... we got Dj Reader. I thought he was doing a fine job at the end of the season. He may be ready to make the next step.
LB... I agree we need to address LB. There were plenty of FAs we probably should have at least took a look at. I can't explain why they didn't. But... I think McKinney is Cushing's replacement. & maybe that's what they're thinking.
S... I'm hoping they really like what they have in Kj Dillon.
CB... I understand it's a passing league & Aj Bouye has had a lot of playing time over the last two years. They did try to keep him. There's rumor we considered trading a 2nd for Malcolm Butler. Still, Bouye was our 4th CB. We lost him, but it's not like we lost Jjo, Kjo, or Kjack.
maverick512000
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Oh don't get me wrong I agree we have more holes than just QB, our O line makes me cry, just I think they can be overcome while QB throwing to the wrong team really can't.
And me personally I don't think this is all on BoB. Just where you and I disagree on him is that I think he shares the blame for our current troubles, a QB guru that can't seem to get a QB through one season, nor do I think Smith has this grand plan to get him fired.
If he really did want BoB gone and was as far up McNairs backside as some say then BoB would be gone, and if McNair wanted him gone then he would be out the door tomorrow.
I'm a #1 guy
This inactivity during FA would be the beginnig of my plan if I wanted to get the HC fired.
BOB wasn't fired because McNair didn't want to pay off his contract. McNair was put on the spot by the leaked info of BOB leaving/getting fired if he didn't win the 1st playoff game which he won. Plus BOB did what McNair wanted, played Os.
zshawn10
All Pro
Possible look at Jimmy?:
Bill Belichick & Bill O'Brien have been working on scheduling joint practices with Patriots-Texans at Greenbrier (WVa.) in Week 2/preseason
https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/851490182398451712
Bill Belichick & Bill O'Brien have been working on scheduling joint practices with Patriots-Texans at Greenbrier (WVa.) in Week 2/preseason
https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/851490182398451712
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Yes because the last time we studied and went after a backup QB from joint practices worked out so well for us.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That's not on Rick. 12-4 and 10-6 were pretty darn good seasons. Kubiak's predictability and stubbornness is what killed that dream. Also remember Kubiak was here 1st.
Again Wade Phillips defense is what won Danvers Superbowl. Here in Houston Wade's defense was top notch. Unfortunately we couldn't get passed Kubiak's predictability and stubbornness.
Simply just wasn't our year/s.
PapaL
Loose Screw
We know.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
I think there is some truth to our head coaches being out of the loop sometimes but how much is the question. I don't see this total disregard for head coaches that you seem to think is taking place.
I am hoping at some point we find out just what is true in regards to the overall power structure of this team.
Kubiak was guilty of stubbornness with Schaub, even when Schaub's performance went downhill, just as CnD predicted, due to the degenerative nature of a lisfranc fracture. His scheme won a lot of games and got him a Lombardi in Denver. How many seasons, under Kubiak, did the Texans field a horrible defense? You can put a lot of that on Kubiak because he picked the DC's and didn't do a good job of that until Wade was forced on him. It just happened at the wrong time, due to Schaubs busted wheel. His scheme, however, is pretty good, as witnessed with pre-lisfranc Schaub, noodle arm and all.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Kubiak didn't want Schaub given his last contract. But yes he thought he gave us the best chance to win even gimpy. But that was the 2013 deck he was dealt.
That deck of cards came up almost all jokers in 2013. Do you have a link showing that Kubiak didn't want Schaub given that contract? I don't remember seeing that anywhere. I honestly took it as Kubiak being loyal to Schaub rather than believing Schaub gave the team the best chance to win. His system is very QB friendly, unlike the WTF ever system we've been seeing for the last 3 seasons.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I believe that contract was given to Schaub as a gamble on Rick Smith's part. He must have believed Schaub could have a break out season. Joe Flacco was offered a similar contract & turned it down that same offseason.
Flacco turned it down, betting on himself.
Schaub originally did the same, only to change his mind, week 1 of the regular season.
That was the beginning of mediocre QBs getting crazy money. If Schaub didn't take the deal, had a pro bowl season, we'd have most likely signed him to a six year extension more than $100M.
As it were, it wasn't a bad deal. $14M/yr I think & we could get out after two. Basically telling Schaub he had two years to prove he was a franchise QB.
Yes... we could have let him play out his current contract. But I think that would have worked out against the, "everything is fine on Kirby" facade McNair likes to portray.
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This post is full of Poo ...
A BIG part of why Kubiak chose Denver was the opportunity work with Manning ....
Gary wanted Manning in Houston and almost pulled it off.... save for Tricky Rick having given Schaub an extension which made the math of signing Manning impossible.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I have a couple of good buddies that played on the team at that time who said differently.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I have a couple of good buddies that played on the team at that time who said differently.
Gary did not want Manning in Houston.
Matt was a Kubiak guy.
You got it all wrong.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
I hope you are just recalling this wrong because from all reports what you posted is the complete opposite of what is out there
He would know... probably better than a good buddy on the team. Do you think Kubiak told the team he didn't want Manning?
then why didn't you post some links to "what's out there"?
Manning was in Denver three years before Kubiak was hired. If Kubiak had such a distaste for working with Manning, why take that job? He was doing pretty well as OC in Baltimore.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
That was actually pretty impressive. Glad I watched that.
Can't tell a lot about him as a passer other than he looks like he has a cannon. All the physical attributes you could want. Would not mind bringing him in as a late round pick if they don't go qb early or as an udfa.
I trust the source of my information ....
Nope , not recalling it wrong , saying the same thing I said when Manning to Houston was first discussed. The reason Manning didn't put on a Texans uniform was the extension given to Schaub. That made signing Manning to a competitive contract all but impossible.
Anyone who believes any HC wouldn't want a HOF QB over a guy who's simply "competent" is out of their rabid ass mind.
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
So you have "a couple of good buddies" who are Kubiak family.
I don't care if you believe me.
That makes no sense... try again
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Yes I know, but you were talking to Tballer 74 that has buddies but no family