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Next Head Coach

Insideop said:
Crennel is a lot like Wade in that they are both great DC's but I just don't think they have what it takes to be great HC's. Plus both are pushing 70 years old and probably looking at retirement.
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I think he's more like Kubiak. The defense was pretty good under Crennel & his offense was pretty good when he had Charlie Weis. But Weis wanted to do his own thing leaving Romeo hanging.
 
bigmck said:
You have to define your stat. == If the Texans beat a team that is 0-1 but the team ends up 12-4, is that a Winning Team the Texans beat? What about that 1-0 team the Texans beat that ends up 4-12, is that a Winning Team Victory? I tried to Google "Records Against Winning Teams" and was unable to find anything due to what I just mentioned. This appears to be an "Arguable Stat" without an answer.
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season records is a constant level playing field. Also #21 and 72 wins is in the bottom third of the league.
 
Texian said:
season records is a constant level playing field. Also #21 and 72 wins is in the bottom third of the league.
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20 teams have done it better than we have over the last 10 years. 11 teams not so much.

That's where we are. That's who we are.

I'd like to see that same comparison over the last 6 years, the last 3, then of course 2016. That would give us a better idea of how McNair is doing over that period.
 
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thunderkyss said:
20 teams have done it better than we have over the last 10 years. 11 teams not so much.

That's where we are. That's who we are.

I'd like to see that same comparison over the last 6 years, the last 3, then of course 2016. That would give us a better idea of how McNair is doing over that period.
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or how bad other teams in the division are performing and how bad the division performs vs other divisions in the NFL.
 
Texian said:
or how bad other teams in the division are performing and how bad the division performs vs other divisions in the NFL.
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Sure... we can compare them to the three teams that play virtually the same schedule we have the last 15 years, comparing McNair directly to three other NFL owners. One you used to cite as a model organization.
 
bigmck said:
BOB has not built the team that we all want, but it is a Division Winning Team and if you think back before he got here, what would we have given for a Division Title. Those were few and far between under Kubiak.
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Kubiak won exactly the same number of division titles his final three years here as O'Brien has his first three. The Texans have won 4 of the last 6 division titles, and the two they didn't were the last season for Kubes, and the first for OB, so I can't agree with the "What would we have given for a division title" angle given that prior to OB they'd won two of three.

Kubes (biggest) downfall was not getting the QB situation solved after Schaub got fatally (in football terms) injured. O'Brien has the same issue, but to this point, he's been able to go no worse than 9-7 in any of his three years, and has avoided the crash and burn season that precipitated both Capers and Kubiak's departure.

I honestly don't know how much goodwill he's built up in the almost three seasons he's been here, but I know that if Savage isn't the answer, and/or the Osweiler experiment doesn't see radically different results next season, it's an issue he's got to solve.

Beyond that, I really give him some credit. Granted, his offense has been putrid this season (and that may be giving it more credit than I should), but while still far from great, I think the first two seasons it was respectable considering it was led by guys named Fitzpatrick, Hoyer, Mallett and Keenum. As mediocre as that list is, I was both surprised and disappointed to see that this season it got unquestionably worse. I was in support of the signing of Os - not because I was convinced he was the next Manning, Rodgers or Brady, but because I did feel like he had a decently high ceiling, and his floor was (at worst) better than the list of career backups listed earlier. I was obviously very wrong about the second part of that, and the first part isn't looking real great right now either. Still, a big percentage of the folks who followed up the KC playoff disaster saying even a swing and a miss is better than what's been happening at QB now seem to be of a different mindset. I'm still glad they made a significant move to improve the QB situation, and I'm still glad it didn't involve trading draft choices (likely an unrealistically large amount of draft choices) to move up and grab one of two QB's who have to this date not convinced me they're going to be top 10 NFL QB's (although in fairness, neither has convinced me that they're not either).

Anyway, because of Brock's 2017 cap hit, and what I consider the unlikely possibility that a QB will be drafted high (a combination of a gut feeling, and the opinion of "experts" that I trust that 2017's draft is a weak one for QB's), it looks like (to me anyway) that unless Savage is the answer, or Brock can be made to be the answer (one of which I give less than a 50 percent chance, the other I give far less than a 50 percent chance), we'll have to wait until 2018 for another chance to meaningfully address the situation, and see if OB can do what he needs to still be around at that point.

Okay, if you've read this far, you've got to be tired of hearing (so to speak) me, because I know I am.
 
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How come nobody is even considering Weeden? He did look okay in the games he played last year. Is it that Brown's stank that is on him?
 
ROO said:
How come nobody is even considering Weeden? He did look okay in the games he played last year. Is it that Brown's stank that is on him?
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My biggest problem with Weeden is his age. he's already 33 if he were to win the starting job, we need to start looking for his successor right away whereas Savage & Brock are young enough that if one of them prove to be our starter we can wait for that guy O'b falls in love with instead of trying to make it work.
 
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Brandon420tx said:
What were Crennels major shortcomings as a headcoach at KC? I mean I understand Cleveland because that whole organization has been in the toilet before and after Crennel was there. But what were the struggles in KC. Do you think he could be the HC here if he got a competant OC?
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No.
 
I think Gary is done as a coach if his family is this concerned about his health. I don't think McNair would bring back Gary even if things lined up and Gary actually wanted to come back to coach, because we all know there is a large segment of the fan base that would have a stroke if Gary was rehired by the Texans.
 
TejasTom said:
10m10 minutes ago
Jay Glazer ‏@JayGlazer
Surprise opening could be Texans, if they lose early in playoffs I can see O'Brien/team agreeing to part ways -- good candidate on market
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Glazer is a well connected guy so I wonder if he really knows something or if he is just speculating. I'm not the biggest BOB fan but he needs another season with this young offense and I would hate to live se Romeo and Vrable on defense.
 
When i think that bob can't surprise me, he calls a qb sneak on his own 40 down by 7 early in a meaningless game.

And Loses his qb to concussion protocall

Cheese and rice
 
What if we promoted RAC to HC, Vrabel to DC and brought in a new OC. I think our defense is fine and getting rid of them would be foolish. We desperately need new blood on the offensive side.

Rick has to go IMO.....promote him to non football things or fired, don't care
 
Brandon420tx said:
What were Crennels major shortcomings as a headcoach at KC? I mean I understand Cleveland because that whole organization has been in the toilet before and after Crennel was there. But what were the struggles in KC. Do you think he could be the HC here if he got a competant OC?
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Some guys are great coordinators, but lousy head coaches.
Sincerely,
Buddy Ryan, Ed Biles, Dom Capers, Josh McDaniels, Charlie Weis, Mike Smith, Joe Philbin, Lane Kiffin, Wade Phillips, and Rex Ryan.
 
I think it's cute someone started a thread about the next head coach...

Y'all do remember who the owner of the Houston Texans is right? The most over loyal owner probably in the history of the modern era, same guy who gave Kubiak 8 mediocre years, you expect McNair to part always with a coach that in his first 3 years has had 3 winning seasons and 2 division titles...

Oooookey dokey....
 
BullNation4Life said:
I think it's cute someone started a thread about the next head coach...

Y'all do remember who the owner of the Houston Texans is right? The most over loyal owner probably in the history of the modern era, same guy who gave Kubiak 8 mediocre years, you expect McNair to part always with a coach that in his first 3 years has had 3 winning seasons and 2 division titles...

Oooookey dokey....
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The rumor is that O'b will resign.

According to Glazer, he's not getting along with the Texans FO. all that yelling & cussing, short tempered, weird personnel moves... I can see it
 
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thunderkyss said:
The rumor is that O'b will resign.

According to Glazer, he's not getting along with the Texans FO. all that yelling & cussing, short tempered, weird personnel moves... I can see it
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That's the only way I see O'Brein leaving... McNair isn't going to fire a 2x Division winning coach...
 
Brandon420tx said:
What were Crennels major shortcomings as a headcoach at KC? I mean I understand Cleveland because that whole organization has been in the toilet before and after Crennel was there. But what were the struggles in KC. Do you think he could be the HC here if he got a competant OC?
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Yeah, I would never hold anything anyone did in Cleveland against them. Belichick failed in Cleveland (the original Cleveland but still....). He got two years in KC and frankly that's just not enough of a window IMO.

Also one year in Cleveland he went 10-6 (2007) which probably destabilized the NFL imposed Parity Assurance Field (Cleveland always sucks which maintains the balance. On the other side New England always wins) and so that probably caused the following 4-12 season that got him fired.
 
Glazer must have graduated from Donald Trump's "making sh!t up for the headlines" school.

It's not happening.

Edit: Although, for the record, I wouldn't blame him if he did. Being stuck with another year of a Brock's contract, along with a pitiful OL?? Yeah, I wouldn't blame him for blowin this popstand.
 
If we get lucky and BOB leaves, I would like for us to hire Bill Cowher. I know he has been out of the game for a while but I want a proven winner. Dick Vermeil had success as a head coach with the Rams and Chiefs after a lengthy time away from the game as a TV analyst so there is precedent for it working. There aren't any other proven winners available that I can think of. Kyle Shanahan would be at the top of my list of coordinators to hire as head coach. I would hope they would clean house and get rid of Rick as GM. It would be idiotic if you kept him for a 3rd head coach. Hire Eliot Wolf or Eric DeCosta and let's roll.
 
If O'Brien leaves, has huge success elsewhere, it would be like McCready blowing up the camp in John Carpenter's "The Thing". And personally, I want the camp to feel the heat.
 
banned1976 said:
If O'Brien leaves, has huge success elsewhere, it would be like McCready blowing up the camp in John Carpenter's "The Thing". And personally, I want the camp to feel the heat.
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They wont feel the heat.

They will be to busy cashing checks to feel the heat.
 
Mike McCoy has been fired from San Diego. I wouldn't mind him as our HC. He has history with Brock. Maybe he was the Bronco who thought Brock was worth a 2nd round pick.
 
Can we just all Pool our money together and buy the team so we never have to see Mcnairs or Smith's faces again? Would be cool to have a team owned by fans with a board of 6 people we vote on running it that are football experts or former players. I nominate Andre Johnson for a spot. Mcnair is garbage and I would rather he and Smith go than BOB.
 
thunderkyss said:
Mike McCoy has been fired from San Diego. I wouldn't mind him as our HC. He has history with Brock. Maybe he was the Bronco who thought Brock was worth a 2nd round pick.
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McCoy has a losing record (27-37) in SD with Philip Rivers as his QB. BOB has a winning record (27-21) here with multiple QB's. Wouldn't they be going backwards if they hired McCoy? If they want to fire BOB that's fine but tell me who they could legitimately replace him with that will do a better job. I don't think McCoy is one of those coaches who would do better. JMO.
 
I can see OB and the front office having friction. O'Brien isn't the majority rules type of head coach. Certainly not when he's the minority on major personnel moves. This stinks of McNair telling Smith what to do and telling OB he's been outvoted. Or Smith kissing a$$ to get McNairs support. Oh wait...
 
Insideop said:
McCoy has a losing record (27-37) in SD with Philip Rivers as his QB. BOB has a winning record (27-21) here with multiple QB's. Wouldn't they be going backwards if they hired McCoy? If they want to fire BOB that's fine but tell me who they could legitimately replace him with that will do a better job. I don't think McCoy is one of those coaches who would do better. JMO.
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Kyle Shanahan. Jim Harbaugh
 
Texian said:
Rumor is McNair forced Osweiler on O'Brien so if there is reported friction that would be understandable. Like I said Texans will not get a high profile head coach with a meddling interfering Owner. There have been dozens of owners like McNair who wallowed in mediocrity for decades.
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Further to my above thoughts: looking forward O'Brien/McNair/Smith realize their hands are pretty much tied with their QB play going in to 2017 and O'Brien knows it was not his doing. In addition because of the cap dollars spent in 2016 that also allocated to 2017 O'Brien knows there is not much in the cap kitty to get a lot better on offense. I'm guessing O'Brien has had enough.
 
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Texian said:
Rumor is McNair forced Osweiler on O'Brien so if there is reported friction that would be understandable. Like I said Texans will not get a high profile head coach with a meddling interfering Owner. There have been dozens of owners like McNair who wallowed in mediocrity for decades.
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If true I wonder what OB's solution at QB would have been? Hoyer/Fitzpatrick version 3.0 would be my guess...
 
Barring either side having a "deal" in place to get a job (BOB) or get a coach (Texans), I would be mildly surprised to see a separation. whoever would be a week behind with an honest chance at two since Raiders all of a sudden have QB issues.

Six spots are already taken w/o true out of nowhere firings

Rams (LA and young QB)
49ers (well storied history)
Broncos (ready made defense w/QBs?)
chargers (maybe LA/ maybe veteran Qb)
Bills (well not of non-good there)
Jags (florida kinda, young Qb kinda)
 
Texian said:
Harbaugh = YES! That said I can't see how Harbaugh and McNair could ever get along. I'm thinking Harbaugh would not just say no but HELL NO!

I'm of the opinion that Shanahan needs to go be a head coach in college so he can learn how to be a head coach and prove his worth before you give him the keys to Bentley.
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Kyle is probably the best guy on the market. He definitely knows how to run an offense. Hell, he's probably the one guy who could turn our offense around.
 
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