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Texans Training Camp 2016

PDS ‏@PatDStat 2h2 hours ago


Osweiler in sync today. Hit Hopkins across the field in stride. Offense flowing today. Best it has looked since camp started. #Texans

#Texans open up team session with deep ball to Fuller untouched for a make believe TD. No one can run with him.

CJF too much for Hal on that play. Hal just bounced off of CJF trying to break up the pass. Good catch by CJF. #Texans

Miller breaks a run, untouched. Would have been a fake TD. Offense two big plays back to back. [URL='https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash']#Texans

Wendall Williams takes a short pass and gets out of the break and good yardage.

A.J. Bouye with solid looks here. Broke up two passes to Hopkins in the end zone.

Savage throws a dime, Tevin Jones can’t haul it in on the sideline.

Max Bullough all over the field today. Coverage and with some nice open field stops.

#Texans offense still trying to get its bearings working inside the pocket. They look better with movement of the pocket and Os on the move.

Bouye with another pass break up on Hopkins on a deep ball. Ball was late from Osweiler

Some #Texans players gassed today.

Bouye, Another pass break up in red zone. This time on Strong

Kicking is optional today. Faibairn and Novak both missing kicks.

Novak comes up about 15 yards short on a 50 yard attempt.





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Oldtimer said:
That's crazy. No professional team does that, that's bush league. Find an NFL team that makes the offense do pushups on the third day of camp because they couldn't score.
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The defensive backs had to do pushups after they “lost” their 1-on-1s with the receivers and tight ends early in practice.
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http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/..._gronkowski_fires_up_team_chris_hogan_injures

Not a offense, but same premise... and that's a NFL team ran by arguably the greatest coach in NFL history.. that was just the first link I clicked on in my Google search so if you want me to pull up examples of other teams doing the exact same thing that has you so upset I will... because almost every other team does it and it happens league wide and has been happening since the inception of the league.
 
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That's crazy. No professional team does that, that's bush league. Find an NFL team that makes the offense do pushups on the third day of camp because they couldn't score.
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Here's another one and read the part in bold..
Most NFL players are used to doing pushups for mistakes in practice -- dropped passes, penalties, or otherwise -- but Ryan turned up the dial this week with the Bills.
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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-buffalo-bills-do-push-ups-penalties-practice
 
PDS ‏@PatDStat 7m7 minutes ago

Every camp you can see which players have been here for a while. Know how to prep for the heat. It’s an eye opener for others.
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Fairbairn has also missed some chip shots too. Novak not so much.

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TexansCap @TexansCap
Fairbairn (reportedly) cleared from 60 yards the other day, but Novak coming up short from 50 today.
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#Texans going to have to make a choice. Take a chance on Fairbairn who has had some inconsistencies inside of 40 or go back to Novak.
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Novak, you know what you get. Accurate, not much range in field goals or kickoffs.
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32 observations from Thursday at #TexansCamp
Posted 3 hours ago

John Harris Texans Analyst



There was some good, some bad as with all training camp practices, but the best news of all for these players (and for some in the media too) is that there’s an off day tomorrow. That was of little consolation as the players fought through the searing, brutal heat on Day 5 of training camp.

How tough was it? Well, let’s get to the observations because there was a lot to see.

1. Heading off the field, I asked defensive end Dan Pettinato, who played his college ball at Arizona...here or there, which one’s worse? Without skipping a beat. “Here. Not even close.” Anyone questioning it can put that to bed for good; no one has experienced it like Pettinato and he was definitive about the “winner”.

2. The Voice of the Texans Marc Vandermeer interviewed punter Shane Lechler on Wednesday evening for our Texans All-Access show. One of the things that Lechler noted was that after the first day in pads (Tuesday), he said the locker room was nearly silent, everyone was in survivor mode as he called it. After the day in the bubble, he said it was a much livelier locker room. After today, I’d imagine it was back to survivor mode.

3. Watching the quarterbacks at the start of practice, I saw them doing what looked like a basketball shuffle drill in a figure eight motion. I couldn’t hear the instructions, but it was a great drill for helping to avoid pressure and sacks. They weaved up and down and side to side. It was one of those drills that I’d never seen before, but simple and effective.

4. Instead of a goal-line drill to get the pads popping early in practice, the offensive linemen/defensive linemen/linebackers/running backs engaged in a halfline run drill at the beginning of practice. One of the loudest collisions happened a few feet from me when guard Oday Aboushi and linebacker Akeem Dent met in the hole on one of those run plays. The crack could’ve been heard on field three.

5. On another play, Aboushi and center Greg Mancz worked a double team during the drill and nearly planted one of the defensive linemen on his backside.

6. Rookie defensive tackle D.J. Reader showed his strength and ability to hold the point when he was double teamed and defeated it without getting moved off the ball. That youngster is stout, to say the least.
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Two long-time friends play for the Texans

FOX 26 Sports Director Mark Berman reports
By: Mark Berman


Posted:Aug 04 2016 05:06PM CDT

Updated:Aug 04 2016 05:42PM CDT

HOUSTON (FOX 26) -
Texans cornerbacks AJ Bouye and Robert Nelson are like family. They go back a long way.

When Nelson made his way to Atlanta, Georgia when he was n high school to escape a bad situation in Florida, A.J.'s dad, Steve, found him and made Robert a member of his AAU basketball team and then made him part of the Bouye family, a close-knit group that loves sports.

Remarkably, all these years later after Bouye played at Central Florida and Nelson at Louisiana-Monroe and Arizona State, they are teammates again in the NFL with the Texans.
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Nice moment between @HoustonTexans coach Bill O'Brien and @JaelenStrongNFL before #practice at #TexansTrainingCamp

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Great to see that DJ Reader has a mentor in Big Vince. I hope he's everything we wanted Nix to be.

Reading about Os delivering strikes made me smile.

IT'S FOOTBALL SEASON!
Tomorrow I'm wearing my white 99 to work.
 
Texans fullback Jay Prosch relishes human battering-ram role

Prosch and Miller are working on their timing in the Texans' I-formation running plays as Prosch learns how Miller likes to set up his blocks and cut behind him running interference against defenders.

"Lamar is awesome," Prosch said. "Now, it's time to put it all together. It's a learning process. I think we're a good fit. We definitely have to have some chemistry built up before we actually start. I think we're building that.

"Lamar does a good job of bringing the block to the blockers and setting up the blocks. It helps me a lot. He's definitely a powerful guy with a good burst. It's exciting."

As a rookie, Prosch blocked for Pro Bowl running back Arian Foster as he rushed for 1,246 yards and eight touchdowns. With Foster injured the majority of the season, the Texans' running game struggled. Now, it's an entirely new backfield except for Prosch with the additions of Miller and quarterback Brock Osweiler.

"I kind of had my typical offseason, lifting and working hard," Prosch said. "I feel like I make jumps every offseason."

Every now and then, Prosch gets some touches. He played in every game last season and started twice, rushing a career-high six times for 33 yards with a long run of 16 yards.

"I hope so, I'd like to contribute however I can," Prosch said. "That's what I'm hoping for."
 
On a daily basis, I keep hearing, Benardrick_McKinney's name mentioned (in a good way). Our ILB corp is going to be pretty nasty. Most fans waiting on camp have high hopes and lofty expectations. But for some reason, I feel much more promise about this season than in years past. It's just a gut feeling, but our needs appear to be smaller than in years past. There just don't seem to be as many ifs' and buts'. And we all know all about those.
 
KemahKeith said:
On a daily basis, I keep hearing, Benardrick_McKinney's name mentioned (in a good way). Our ILB corp is going to be pretty nasty. Most fans waiting on camp have high hopes and lofty expectations. But for some reason, I feel much more promise about this season than in years past. It's just a gut feeling, but our needs appear to be smaller than in years past. There just don't seem to be as many ifs' and buts'. And we all know all about those.
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Agreed, but the biggest IF is still out there, only this year it's named B.O.
 
JB said:
Agreed, but the biggest IF is still out there, only this year it's named B.O.
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Agreed.
Seems like he is a true leader, from BOB's pressers after practice. Also from what I have read, he is well ahead of the learning curve on this multi layered offensive scheme. The brain is there, the ethic seems to be there, the intangibles' seem to be there.
I have often gone to bed at night wondering what our receivers' would be able to do if lead correctly on a pass, instead of having to scoop, dive, or jump for the ball. My biggest hope is for a much increased YAC average. We have the speed, just need the lead.
 
KemahKeith said:
Agreed.
Seems like he is a true leader, from BOB's pressers after practice...
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Yeah... I'm going to hold off on commenting about Brock's leadership. While I like what I've seen so far & what we've heard, you really don't know until the bullets start flying. Granted, that's what impressed me about him in his seven starts last season (even before I knew the Texans were interested)... but we'll see. He may be the genuine thing, but it's hard to tell in the off season.
 
Just stepping outside what we currently know for certain about him (not much) and running the risk of exhibiting unwise early optimism I keep wondering what it's going to be like if he really is the genuine thing. We've never had that guy before. Schaub at his best was following orders and getting it done as long as everything else was working properly but I could never see him leaving Gary willingly to go be his own man somewhere. I never really felt like he was chaffing much at the short leash. Maybe toward the end when things were coming undone and ironically when the real problem was his foot and not the tightly scripted calls.

Just imagine for a second what it's going to be like if Brock is really one of those QB's. I don't want to get my hopes up too much but damn it sure would be nice to wake up on a Sunday knowing you have a guy starting at QB who can carry a team if called upon to do so or take over a game.

After 14 seasons I know I'm not the only one here with serious franchise QB envy.
 
Hervoyel said:
Just stepping outside what we currently know for certain about him (not much) and running the risk of exhibiting unwise early optimism I keep wondering what it's going to be like if he really is the genuine thing. We've never had that guy before. Schaub at his best was following orders and getting it done as long as everything else was working properly but I could never see him leaving Gary willingly to go be his own man somewhere. I never really felt like he was chaffing much at the short leash. Maybe toward the end when things were coming undone and ironically when the real problem was his foot and not the tightly scripted calls.

Just imagine for a second what it's going to be like if Brock is really one of those QB's. I don't want to get my hopes up too much but damn it sure would be nice to wake up on a Sunday knowing you have a guy starting at QB who can carry a team if called upon to do so or take over a game.

After 14 seasons I know I'm not the only one here with serious franchise QB envy.
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At least from my point of view they went for it. I guess as a fan that's all we can ask. there are no guarantees', but it seems as if there is an actual plan in place. New QB, added speed, and an upgrade at RB from last year. Just hope the OL keeps Brock off his keester.
 
Hervoyel said:
Just stepping outside what we currently know for certain about him (not much) and running the risk of exhibiting unwise early optimism I keep wondering what it's going to be like if he really is the genuine thing. We've never had that guy before. Schaub at his best was following orders and getting it done as long as everything else was working properly but I could never see him leaving Gary willingly to go be his own man somewhere. I never really felt like he was chaffing much at the short leash. Maybe toward the end when things were coming undone and ironically when the real problem was his foot and not the tightly scripted calls.
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I guess we see things differently. I never wanted Schaub to go be his own man. He was perfect for Kubiak's system. I think he played that system well enough to win a Super Bowl. Things happened outside his control (like Phillip Rivers) that stopped him from having much success at all (more like Romo I guess).

I don't want to see Brock "chaffing at a short leash" if there were one either. I want him to synergestically meld with O'b the way Brady & Belichick does, or the way Brees & Payton has.

If he's just flat out Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers... yeah, I'll take that too.

Hervoyel said:
Just imagine for a second what it's going to be like if Brock is really one of those QB's. I don't want to get my hopes up too much but damn it sure would be nice to wake up on a Sunday knowing you have a guy starting at QB who can carry a team if called upon to do so or take over a game.

After 14 seasons I know I'm not the only one here with serious franchise QB envy.
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I hear ya
 
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 8m8 minutes ago


WR Jaelen Strong has been terrific thru 5 practices, He was most improved player in offseason. Will Fuller and Braxton Miller impressive 2.

Texans fourth-year CB A.J. Bouye has been knocking down passes all over the field. Also impressive is second-year ILB Benardrick McKinney.

Learning a new system with new players, Brock Osweiler has been up and down. His best day was Thursday. Accurate on most throws.

Osweiler showed nice touch on short routes and strong arm when ball needed 2b drilled. Strong caught 2 TD passes and Fuller 1 that impressed

RB Tyler Ervin and undrafted WR Wendall Williams r going 2b fun 2 watch on returns n preseason. Nobody catches Williams from behind.

Cause of injuries and additions, LG Xavier Su'a-Filo is only O lineman on first team who started last season.

Watching WR DeAndre Hopkins and CB Johnathan Joseph got at it every day in practice is a pleasure. Both make terrific plays.
 
vupac1 said:
A few players I wish I'd hear more about flashing/making plays:

KJ Dillon
Rishard Cliett
Keith Drummond
Chris Clark
Devon Still
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Cliett missed high school junior year due to injury. In college 2013 shoulder injury, January 2015 had leg injury, then in Sept 2015 tore ACL missed season with Texans. Don't think we will get much from him.
 
JB said:
Agreed, but the biggest IF is still out there, only this year it's named B.O.
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He may be the biggest question out there but think of the options that the Texans had. Hoyer, Weeden, Savage or a rookie that would take at least a couple of years to develop. Brock at least has had some playing time and success as a starting NFL QB, has learned behind one of the best ever, has the physical tools, leadership skills and intelligence. He may not be able to handle the mental part of the game, we just don't know yet but he is by far the best option the Texans had. I personally think he will be better than any QB drafted in the last two years at least.
 
We're going to go nuts in the preseason, one way or the other. If Brockman goes 3 for 3 or 0 for 5, this place is going to be crazy.
 
BYDS said:
He may be the biggest question out there but think of the options that the Texans had. Hoyer, Weeden, Savage or a rookie that would take at least a couple of years to develop. Brock at least has had some playing time and success as a starting NFL QB, has learned behind one of the best ever, has the physical tools, leadership skills and intelligence. He may not be able to handle the mental part of the game, we just don't know yet but he is by far the best option the Texans had. I personally think he will be better than any QB drafted in the last two years at least.
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you're preaching to the choir... welcome to the board
 
KemahKeith said:
On a daily basis, I keep hearing, Benardrick_McKinney's name mentioned (in a good way). Our ILB corp is going to be pretty nasty. Most fans waiting on camp have high hopes and lofty expectations. But for some reason, I feel much more promise about this season than in years past. It's just a gut feeling, but our needs appear to be smaller than in years past. There just don't seem to be as many ifs' and buts'. And we all know all about those.
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KemahKeith said:
At least from my point of view they went for it. I guess as a fan that's all we can ask. there are no guarantees', but it seems as if there is an actual plan in place. New QB, added speed, and an upgrade at RB from last year. Just hope the OL keeps Brock off his keester.
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I am very optimistic about this season. I see the potential for this team to be truly dominant with the defense and the pieces added on offense. Which also means they have great potential to disappoint, as well, if they don't gel and play well below expectations.
 
JB said:
you're preaching to the choir... welcome to the board
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Thanks for the welcome. I am very excited to see the team this year. Of course I just moved from League City to Mississippi so I have to get game pass to watch. Will be worth it, even if I can't see it live.
 
A great story of transformation spiritually and physically, thanks to a Mom who believed...........

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After getting the message, Texans' Jaelen Strong gets with the program
August 3, 2016 Updated: August 5, 2016 8:59pm

Texans wide receiver Jaelen Strong can thank a helpful mom and no-nonsense coach for shaping up.

The wise words of the late heavyweight champion Muhammad Ali, pastors, philosophers and carefully chosen Biblical verses arrive at dawn. They're reminders intended to implore Jaelen Strong to not stray from the path he has followed over the past year.

Daybreak means a steady stream of encouraging text messages for the Texans wide receiver, the first communication of the day, and always delivered by his mother, Alexis Strong.

Her latest note to her son from her home in Philadelphia came from a preacher she follows:

"I want everything God has promised and not a thing that he didn't."

Days earlier, Alexis picked out a famous quote from Ali to send to her 22-year-old son:

"I hated every minute of training, but I said, 'Don't quit, suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.' "

The words of Ali resonated heavily with Strong, given the dramatic transformation of his body from a bloated, overweight rookie into a chiseled, second-year professional who's primed for a major role in the Texans' offense.
"I just try to give him encouragement early in the morning to start his day off," Alexis said. "I just want him to keep on pushing because he still has so much to learn. He's real determined. He's so focused right now. I'm so proud of him."

Whether it's lines of scripture, his mother's guidance or the tough love Strong got as an unprepared rookie from Texans coach Bill O'Brien, the message has been heeded by the former Arizona State standout.

"To get those motivation messages and notes every day from my mom, it's so good," Strong said. "She's been doing this for the last year. When I wake up, it's the first text I see. It helps me a lot. I look forward to that every day."

Strong acknowledged he was lost a year ago when the Texans drafted him in the third round.

During his several visits to NFL teams prior to the draft, Strong indulged in steaks, lobster tails and junk food and eschewed his training regimen. He tipped the scales at nearly 237 pounds.

"It was all those months of eating and too much traveling," Strong said. "I had never been that big before in my life."

His mother barely recognized him, wondering aloud what was going on with her once-skinny son.

"I was surprised because he started loving steak and he was never a beef eater as a kid," Alexis said. "He told me about the steaks and lobsters and all the stuff he had developed an appetite for. He wasn't working out. It was the biggest I've ever seen him. He didn't look healthy. I kept asking him, 'Are you OK?' "

Better shape than ever

Today, the 6-2 wide receiver is barely 200 pounds after overhauling his diet to incorporate lean proteins of fish and chicken and plenty of green vegetables. Leaner in his physique, Strong is much more explosive as he breaks into his pass patterns.

"It got out of hand," Strong said. "Now, I'm in better shape than I've ever been. I got my body right."

This is the lightest Strong has been since enrolling at Arizona State after attending Pierce Junior College in Los Angeles.

Strong is proud of the six-pack abdomen he has regained after melting off the flab.

"This is small for Jaelen," Alexis said. "When he came home, I was like, 'I can wrap my arms around your waist now.' "

The Texans are upbeat about Strong's prospects for this season. He's challenging for a starting job opposite Pro Bowl wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins.

Strong emerged as a more important part of the offense late in the season for the Texans, catching 14 passes for 161 yards and three TDs. Because of Strong's diligence this offseason, O'Brien called him one of the most improved players on the roster.

"He nailed the conditioning test and did a great job in that," O'Brien said. "He's been able to really refine his skill set as a receiver. I think he picks out one or two things every single day to get better at. That's good to see. I think he's going to be better and better every single day."

Offseason slip-up

Strong is the son of former Drexel basketball star and decorated Philadelphia detective John Rankin, who died of leukemia when the receiver was 9. Having a strong mentor in O'Brien has provided Strong with a coach who expects a lot from him.

"I always tell Jaelen that Coach O'Brien and the Texans are the best team that could have drafted him," Alexis said. "He has a no-nonsense coach, and Jaelen needs that."

Strong strayed from his disciplined path in February, though, when he was arrested for possession of marijuana in Scottsdale, Ariz. Strong acknowledged having marijuana without a medical card. Strong was cooperative and gave police a cigar box that contained three marijuana cigarettes, according to a police report.

"Pretty embarrassing," Strong said. "Forget about me, but for my family and for the Houston Texans. It's a setback, but I've had plenty of setbacks."

Since the incident involving Strong, his mother and teammates have noticed a renewed sense of purpose from him. Strong has made changes to his life, including which friends he associates with.

"I always tell people I would never want that to happen for him, but it did," Alexis said. "He needed to really change a lot of things, and he did."

Strong now embraces his new diet - "He had like one cheesesteak when he was home," his mom said - and work ethic - "He's trained himself like a professional," cornerback Johnathan Joseph said.

It has paid dividends on the field, where he's bolting into his routes, creating separation and eluding defensive backs giving chase.

"It's maturity all-around from Jaelen," wide receiver Cecil Shorts said. "He matured and learned how to be a pro. If he continues to work, I think the sky's the limit for him. He's a good player. Every player goes through different things, but he's figuring it out."
 
As you know, as an offensive lineman, if one of us doesn’t do our job, it’s usually not a good place. As long as all five of us are doing our jobs, it’s going to be good.
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Regarding the Jaelen article it sounds like he's finally starting to conduct himself like a professional.

Guys like Cecil Shorts and Nate Washington already knew how to do that. But if Strong can be consistent his ceiling js higher.
 
DeAndre Hopkins motivated; plus Joey Bosa, Chip Kelly, more
NFL.COM
Published: Aug. 4, 2016 at 12:05 p.m.Updated: Aug. 5, 2016 at 06:00 p.m.


The drama surrounding the one-day holdout of Texans wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins didn't last long. The discussion about what he'll do this coming season might also not require a serious amount of speculation. Hopkins recalibrated his mind the minute he reported to the Texans earlier this week. All that matters to him today is reminding people of why he felt so grossly underpaid in the first place.

Hopkins is one year removed from a season that saw him produce career highs in receptions (111) and yards (1,521) and a single-season franchise record in receiving touchdowns (11). The addition of more skill players around the fourth-year pro -- including former Broncos quarterback Brock Osweiler -- means he should be even more dangerous than he was in 2015.

"I want to be more dominant," Hopkins said Wednesday morning. "I'm talking about making the little plays that I couldn't take advantage of, because my timing wasn't right with my quarterback. Now that I know who the quarterback is going to be, we can capitalize on those plays I left on the field."

Osweiler's presence should be critical to Hopkins, because the Texans started four different quarterbacks last season. It's hard enough for a receiver to develop reliable chemistry with just one signal caller over the course of a year. To do what Hopkins did, especially when defenses knew he was Houston's primary target every week, was downright astounding. The Texans didn't even have a dependable running attack to ease the pressure on their passing game or set up play-action opportunities.

Hopkins pushed through that challenge by telling himself it ultimately didn't matter who was playing quarterback. He was going to control what he could control, do his job as best he could and pray that the ball arrived in a spot where he could do something with it. Hopkins wound up catching seven or more passes in nine separate games last season with that approach. He surpassed the 100-yard mark six times.

"That was the hardest thing I've ever endured in football, aside from going 2-14 my rookie season," said Hopkins. "Playing with that many quarterbacks is going to be hard on any receiver. Every week, you have to change something you do, depending on the quarterback and his strengths. I wound up studying our quarterbacks as much as I studied the defensive backs on other teams."

Hopkins already has been encouraged by what he's seen from Osweiler, as they worked together and with other Texans receivers in Arizona during the offseason. The Houston coaches also have pushed Hopkins to take his game to new heights this coming fall. The Texans are hoping a collection of younger receivers -- including second-year pro Jaelen Strong and rookies Will Fuller and Braxton Miller -- can grow up quickly in an offense that needs to become more dynamic. For that to happen, Hopkins will have to be even more of a leader in the locker room and on the field.

Texans offensive coordinator George Godsey added that the expectations surrounding Hopkins have only grown as he's evolved into an elite talent.

"He's a young receiver who knows he has to still work on some things," Godsey said. "That could be how he runs certain routes or playing different positions in the offense. We want to give these players as many tools as they can handle, and that means we're going to keep challenging him. If he's doing a one-on-one drill, we're going to turn it into a two-on-one drill, because that's what he's going to be facing during the season."

The reassuring news for the Texans is that Hopkins doesn't plan on sulking about a contract that has two years left on it (and which will pay him $1.445 million this year). Owner Bob McNair publicly said that the franchise would take care of Hopkins, and general manager Rick Smith reiterated that point after practice on Wednesday.

"All he has to do is take a look around the locker room to see we take care of guys," Smith said. "All he has to do is be patient."

That clearly is what Hopkins intends to do as he moves deeper into training camp with his sights focused on this season. When asked about the holdout, he simply said, "I wasn't gone for long, and that's all behind me now. I'm on to what's in store for this season."

Those are pleasing words to the coaches and executives who wondered how bad things might get a few days ago. Now they're only pondering how far Hopkins will elevate his game with more help and hunger to aid him. -- Jeffri Chadiha
 
I think it will be a big year for Strong. The new qb and added WRs (Fuller and Miller) cause me to back off from predicting a 1000 yard season. We will have to see how much of the offense goes through the new rookie playmakers.
 
PapaL said:
That's what I read the first time through lol
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Funny, I read B.O. to mean Bill O'Brien.
But seriously, even if Savage is the best, I bet Oz will be the starter. After all they paid him they wouldn't admit to a mistake.
 
Seegara said:
Funny, I read B.O. to mean Bill O'Brien.
But seriously, even if Savage is the best, I bet Oz will be the starter. After all they paid him they wouldn't admit to a mistake.
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It means nothing if Savage is better in practice.

I know how Osweiler will handle a Pittsburgh rush, a loss to division rivals & the push for the number one seed... I have no idea how Savage will react to a batted ball in a live situation. IMO Brock performed so well in those situations, it is his job to lose & nothing Savage or Weeden can do in practice can compare.

So all this, "won't admit a mistake" or "If Savage is better" talk is just sour grapes. & nonsense.

If Osweiler gets hurt, it's up to Savage to shine. Can't be any "yeah but" If he's going to keep the starting job. It sucks, but that's the way the deck has been stacked.
 
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Funny, I read B.O. to mean Bill O'Brien.
But seriously, even if Savage is the best, I bet Oz will be the starter. After all they paid him they wouldn't admit to a mistake.
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It's more than admitting a mistake. There is only so much a player or coach can learn on the practice field. At some point players have to get into games to develop further and display their potential.
 
Seegara said:
Funny, I read B.O. to mean Bill O'Brien.
But seriously, even if Savage is the best, I bet Oz will be the starter. After all they paid him they wouldn't admit to a mistake.
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If Savage is > Brock in PS would Billy go Pete Carrol (a la choosing Russell Wilson over FA Matt Flynn) ? Oh wait, better question is would Carrol have made that move if the
Seahawks had 37M guaranteed invested in Flynn like the Texans do in Brock ? I think not.
 
IDEXAN said:
If Savage is > Brock in PS would Billy go Pete Carrol (a la choosing Russell Wilson over FA Matt Flynn) ? Oh wait, better question is would Carrol have made that move if the
Seahawks had 37M guaranteed invested in Flynn like the Texans do in Brock ? I think not.
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Agreed - while Flynn received a contract that was larger than expected (and clearly with the benefit of hindsight - totally unwarranted), it didn't put him in the same relative position to Russell Wilson that Os is to Savage. There's a much bigger relative difference, and my guess is the same as yours - Carroll wouldn't have started Wilson had the economic difference been similar. I'm also guessing that every one of the other 30 coaches (coaches not named O'Brien or Carroll) would be starting Os against the Bears in week one regardless of how the rest of TC and the preseason games go. Short of injury, there is zero chance Savage is the Texans opening day starting QB.
 
Seegara said:
Funny, I read B.O. to mean Bill O'Brien.
But seriously, even if Savage is the best, I bet Oz will be the starter. After all they paid him they wouldn't admit to a mistake.
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Keep in mind Savage has been in the system longer so he will look better in practice over Brock. Give Brock time to learn this system and get adjusted before trying to make that call.

As DB mentioned awhile back. It's like switching from flying one jet to flying a new one for the first time. Same basic principles with buttons and display menus being different


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