Obviously you don't understand the meaning of "professional". I was speaking as to how the player handles himself on and off the field.
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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread
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battleredready
Noob
I like and respect Jadeveon and have faith in him at this point and hope the best from him, that's all he can do.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
With a sports hernia, right? For years and years, nobody on the d-line had more than 6 sacks. Clowney walks in with the an all time great on the line. I'm not arguing mario vs clowney because its really not fair. Clowney will just have to put up and stay healthy. If he turns out to be a run stopper who gets 7 sacks and pressure, then thats how he will be paid. Those are 6-8 mil per yr types.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Only on this site would someone try to diminish a guy who averages 10 sacks per year for a career. I mean how can you argue that in a negative? How is it getting desperate? I'm using two well known and equally hyped players who also happened to be Texans and with all the same expectations. I think you're just trying to deflect and continue to support the team no matter what and cant accept the fact that they whiffed big time with the first pick and Clowney.
Here are some more numbers since you like throwing them around ... 14.5 , 13.0 , 10.5 sacks prior to last season and then REx Ryan asking these guys to perfrom brain surgery out on the field compared to what Jim Schwartz was doing with personnel then preceded by the idiotic attempt by Houston to turn him into an OLB. 2=3 more years of 10+ sacks (and in Miami this is totally feasible with the surrounding cast and philosophy) he would then be into the 120=130 sack range. But of course then somebody here would start to downplay those sacks and start calling them coverage type right? Good grief.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Mario endured a lot more criticism than Clowney early (and apparently still) in his career.
Everybody wanted Reggie or Vince and when Mario outperformed both of them but didn't put up JJ numbers (because JJ is an all time great and Mario is "just" a real good pro) people still are mad.
Mario has lived up to his draft status. He just hasn't blown the doors off of expectations but there are plenty of worst examples of number 1 picks.
If Clowney could give us Mario production that would be excellent.
Everybody wanted Reggie or Vince and when Mario outperformed both of them but didn't put up JJ numbers (because JJ is an all time great and Mario is "just" a real good pro) people still are mad.
Mario has lived up to his draft status. He just hasn't blown the doors off of expectations but there are plenty of worst examples of number 1 picks.
If Clowney could give us Mario production that would be excellent.
Texan4Ever
All Pro
Agreed and good points. IMO I do believe he has done very well for a first round, first overall pick. Looking at his career overall he will easily break into the 100 Sacks Club and by the time his career ends he will probably be in the Top 20 (maybe better) when he decides to hang it up.
Clowney hasn't come close to Mario and if he doesn't turn it around will join the ranks of Travis Johnson and Amobi Okoye (granted these guys were on the field more often than Clowney has been).
Texian
Hall of Fame
"Williams signed a six-year, $54-million deal with $28 million guaranteed. He had 4½ sacks and 35 tackles despite a foot injury that prevented him from practicing after Week 7.
"I could easily have said, 'I can't go,' " Williams says. "There were times I was getting two Toradol (pain killer) shots during games just to numb it up so I could do what I could do."
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2007-04-26-mario-williams_N.htm
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sandman
Brexit Advisor
The only point I would contend in everything you say here is that Clowney hasn't come close to Mario. Clowney has played one season. There is absolutely no trend with which to base this analysis on. How can you hold a season ending injury against a guy?
Texian
Hall of Fame
I have to admit I have done a terrible disservice and an injustice to Aundray Bruce. I said at the time when the Texans had drafted Clowney that they had drafted Aundray Bruce. My apologies to Aundray Bruce.
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Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Yeah b/c season ending microfracture surgery & really bad plantar fasciitis are on the same level.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I was just the messenger, simple cut and paste, but if it makes you feel better to distort the issue and suggest that plantar fasciitis is worthy of double digit sacks, well OK then. They make an ointment for that butt hurt.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
No distorting the issue num nuts...its called facts. Your argument or whatever you're trying to do is disingenuous. One guy had the option to continue to play, another didn't. Get outta here with this tripe.
Texian
Hall of Fame
It might behoove you to read more of this thread so you can be abreast of the conversation and be able to participate in a pertinent way that suggest you know what you're talking about.
So other than Prince Rico and yourself trying to turn it into a MW thread, what is this thread about braniac?
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Actually, cutting and pasting an article or a portion of an article that you feel makes a point about the topic being discussed makes you the sender of the message as well as the messenger.
Texian
Hall of Fame
The purpose of the cut and paste was to add some clarity to the discussion. However it is clearly understood that some hear are allergic to the truth
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
& what truth is that num nuts?
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
That was his first season. Lol!
Sorry, but Mr. Texian predicted all of this stuff with Clowney so you really don't get to drop crap all over him on this subject. He was right. So was I and a few others. Hopefully Clowney can show up and play like a real football player this year. Lord knows he was drafted to be one. Lets see, can he do it? He hasn't in his last 3 years going back to his last season in college.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
LIke hell he was. His prediction was laziness not injury. I was concerned about injury and even that was a different one.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
It was both, and I'll credit yours as well. You brought up the Bone Spurs as well as I did and they were a strong concern. It wasn't shocking at all that a lazy player with a bad reputation with bone Spurs had one injury after another once he started suiting up.
PapaL
Loose Screw
It's funny when the only people saying Clowney is lazy are the keyboard warriors. All of his coaches, including Spurrier, have had nothing but positive things to say about him. Clowney could get 30 sacks next year and certain people and their agendas wouldn't give him credit. The kid had a terrible injury and has fought to come back while learning a new position at the highest level of competition...all while you keyboard warriors are sitting at home.
http://www.battleredblog.com/2015/7/15/8970035/coach-spurrier-says-clowney-was-the-best
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ier-backtracks-on-clowney-work-ethic-remarks/
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/obrien-impressed-with-jadeveon-clowneys-work-ethic/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/02/jadeveon-clowneys-trainer-talks-up-his-work-ethic/
http://www.battleredblog.com/2015/7/15/8970035/coach-spurrier-says-clowney-was-the-best
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ier-backtracks-on-clowney-work-ethic-remarks/
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/obrien-impressed-with-jadeveon-clowneys-work-ethic/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/02/jadeveon-clowneys-trainer-talks-up-his-work-ethic/
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Texian
Hall of Fame
Sifting through the trash and the noise;
1. You've to understand that rarely if ever is a Head Coach going to publicly bash a player. When they do, it is often in code in much the way Kubiak would do by saying, "he has to learn how to be a pro". For the most part coaches are trying to motivate and uplift players through positive thinking and reinforcement. Quickest way for a coach to lose his locker room and players is to publicly degrade and embarrass them.
2. Spurrier comments, again you've to use a filter and not just look for things you want to see and hear. You've to take Spurriers FIRST and ORIGINAL comments at face value. Second you need to understand when Spurrier back tracked this was DAMAGE CONTROL. Realization that he was providing mountains of ammunition to use against South Carolina by other schools and coaches. Do you really want to go to school where every time you don't do something right the head coach is going to call you out and publicly embarrass you? That is why Spurrier back tracked. You need to understand that Sporrier's first comments about Clowney is how really felt about the player and the situation.
Yes I agree that Clowney could be a very special talent if he applied himself. I would even go as far as to say he could be better than JJ Watt if he had JJ's work ethic. Unfortunately it is clear that he doesn't. If you listened objectively, before all the damage control, Spurrier told us exactly why Clowney on had 3 sacks in his last year at South Carolina. Some will choose to ignore or make excuses for these comments to fit their agenda, their hopes and wishful thinking, wanting their dreams to come true.
People ask questions about work ethic because they have been given reasons to ask those questions, You never ever hear anyone asking or questioning JJ Watt's work ethic do you?
And then there is the old adage that scares every GM, what's going to happen to the kid when you put $20MM in his pocket.
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Well said Texian ! I think I might frame that comment.
Since he's been a pro, I've seen nothing to lead me to believe questions about his work ethic were warranted. He's been working his butt off since he got here, even while injured, you can tell he'd been paying attention in meetings, learning his job, & learning how to be a pro.
I just don't understand anyone questioning his work ethic now. He's a grinder, ever bit as much as Jj Watt.
silvrhand
All Pro
In the end you can defend his work ethic or lack of if you believe that, it doesn't really matter. He has to produce this year, he was a major investment that while I see the upside I thought we could have traded down and gotten more value from him than a single player. Maybe there really weren't offers on the table for the #1 pick that we saw this year, not sure.
Ultimately all that matters this year is can he stay health and can he produce at the level the #1 pick should.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Don't know about as much as JJ but he has only been complimented as a pro.
Agreed
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
You talk about listening objectively, but then go on to categorically dismiss his current coaches opinions about how hard he has worked all the while ascertaining yourself that spurrier's original comments are how he really felt about him and not what he said afterward...your spiel doesn't sound very objective at all dude.
2nd of all People ask questions for a number of different reasons, doesn't always make the reasons they ask them valid...hence every year we hear the stupidity that comes out of the nfl combine and some of the dumb and/or irelevant questions scouts ask prospects. I remember folks here questioning mario's work ethic b/c his demeanor wasn't that of this rabid crazy for football guy and b/c he wasn't getting 15 sacks a year as his draft status suggested he should get. Here it is 10 years later and he's still doing his thing...you don't last 10 years in the nfl with a trash work ethic, ask your boy jamarcus Russell.
What you have to do is be able to objectively reconcile all of the things that you hear and see with what is actual....and it's pretty clear you're not doing that b/c if you were you'd be able to pretty clearly ascertain that this kid's work ethic isn't and hasn't been an issue since he's been a pro.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I addressed that in #1 but clearly you weren't listening, objectively that is.
Texian
Hall of Fame
It's one thing to saunter in, in the middle of the morning, lay down on the trainer's table for an hour getting hot and cold treatments, then jump in the whirlpool for 45 minutes and then to the massage table for an hour massage....than it is to.....get up at 4AM, be in the weight room starting your workout before 5AM, be showered and fed before the day starts and in your seat 10 minutes before the 8AM meeting starts.
He's a grinder alright, wakes up at 7:30AM for a 8:00AM meeting after staying up half the night playing video games. Makes a quick stop at the 7-11 for a BIG cup of Jo and some donuts and comes busting in the meeting room at 8:00AM. Now that's a grind. That's only when he has a meeting....the rest of the time he saunters.....
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It's one thing to saunter in, in the middle of the morning, lay down on the trainer's table for an hour getting hot and cold treatments, then jump in the whirlpool for 45 minutes and then to the massage table for an hour massage....than it is to.....get up at 4AM, be in the weight room starting your workout before 5AM, be showered and fed before the day starts and in your seat 10 minutes before the 8AM meeting starts.
He's a grinder alright, wakes up at 7:30AM for a 8:00AM meeting after staying up half the night playing video games. Makes a quick stop at the 7-11 for a BIG cup of Jo and some donuts and comes busting in the meeting room at 8:00AM. Now that's a grind. That's only when he has a meeting....the rest of the time he saunters.....
Do you know for a fact this is what he does? Got a link? Or is this just more of your hyperbolic bullshit?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Let me help you out here since you seem to not understand...what you're saying about his current coaches being reluctant to criticize him..coaches aiming to motivate etc...and his work ethic being very good...those 2 things aren't mutually exclusive. Both can be true at the same time.... Just as spurrier's initial, not very flattering comments and then his back tracking comments can both be true as well in terms of how he felt about the kid's work ethic.
And let's be clear here, spurrier didn't exactly blast him, he just said "he's alright" and the media took it and ran with it to mean something much more.
Your "either/or" way of thinking in the face of what kind of work ethic this kid has actually shown since being here is why you've proven to not be credible in this whole convo.
I figured all along that Texian was a closet Clowney fan, and as he says here he just wants him to work harder which would make him a better player than JJ Watt.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Brilliant, tremendous intelligence and deep critical thinking that you bring to each conversation.
See my above comments
You're quite the cherry picker and the perfect example of only hearing and seeing what you want to see and hear with a unique ability of twisting what was said to fit your narrative..
The idea that you would know anything about brilliant intelligence or critical thinking is laughable to the point of being sad. You try to cover up your lack of knowledge with condescension and bluster does nothing to alter the fact that I think you're a blusterous fool
you should take your own advice
Well, I wasn't looking to describe it, but yeah cantankerous works pretty well for an old curmudgeon
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Agreed. These threads are much more tolerable utilizing the ignore feature. Sometimes it is funny though because you know EXACTLY the talking points people are responding to without even being able to see them.
PapaL
Loose Screw
I don't put him on the block list, I literally just ignore and won't reply. It's kind of funny seeing the same people get worked up. You're not going to change his mind. He is all knowing and "you're" all wrong.