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The way I'm looking at this is, although Fuller/Coleman wouldn't be my choice, (I want to fortify the OL Kelly and DL Butler) BOB has worked Fuller/Coleman out and thinks they can be bigger differencemakers. One thing is for sure the Texans need to add speed to their entire roster in the worst way and if they add a WR that can run in the 1st I'm not going to be complaining about the pick.
What tells you that Bob thinks they are worth #22?
We have seven. No 7th round pick but two in the 5th - 5/159 and 5/166.
CnD, on the NFL thread, posted on Victor Cruz, who had the same injury as DB. Ten months of initial rehab followed by a year of numerous problems and at best was maybe 75%. Finally now claims to be 100% but upcoming OTA's and training camp will put his recovery to the test.
Outside of they guy from 'Bama, who is first round material among ILB prospects? I thought most were solid 2-4 round picks.
I don't know who's available because I don't give enough shits to follow the draft this time. If there isn't a talent at the position, then there simply isnt. But, there always is and they are always overlooked.
I don't recall stating where we're doing just fine with Cushing and McKinney and whoever else is signed at a minimum behind them. What I did state was that ILB doesn't seem to be a loaded position at the top of the draft for the #22 pick so can we really address what you consider our single biggest need. Not sure that was worthy of such a salty reply, but whatever.
With as much as I've had to drink, every response is salty.
How would you feel about Shepard at #22? BOB has worked him out also. He doesn't provide the pure speed that the other two do but he's more well-rounded and a more natural receiver.
For the record, outside of WR, if they utilized every pick to draft up the middle with interior line on both sides and LB's, I'm not going to complain at all.With as much as I've had to drink, every response is salty.
But, I replied to your post - to the availability of draft prospects as well as the second line regarding apples and oranges, and how the thought process is being applied by many.
I'll touch on this. The more I watched Clark the less I liked him. He can't pass block to save his life. The system at Texas Tech helped him out tremendously. They split the OL so far apart and get rid of the ball so quickly that it's tough for a DE to get a sack even with a free run, and yet Clark still gave up plenty.
I've read that Spriggs is more of a zone type tackle ? Dunno how Billy would like that in his offense ? But we definitely sure need help at OT, especially with the uncertainty bout Duane Browns re his recovery from serious injury. But we know the top prospects like Decker & Cronkin will be long gone by 22.
I'd have no problem taking Shepard. Doctson would be my first choice at WR, but have Shepard right up there with him.
Yes, Spriggs would operate best in a zone system. But we run way more zone than people seem to think. I think people compare this system to Kubiak's and just assume that we're a power team because Kubiak ran zone on virtually every play and we don't. Obviously OB doesn't run zone the same way that Kubiak does but we still use it a lot. We're more of a mesh between power and zone. Devlin cut his teeth at the college level in a power system but he ran a lot of zone with the Jets. And Godsey and OB are both heavily connected to the Ferentz coaching tree, who is pretty much considered the developer of the modern day zone blocking system.
Not jazzed about the pick but if that's who BOB thinks fits his system best then I'm on board with the pick.
I like Kwiatkoski, too. You have him rated as a third round talent. The board I used to mock has him as a late third day pick. I have him penciled in as my 6/195 selection. If he falls that far he'll be a steal.
guess i need to go check this guy out
Not saying I disagree but our history suggests that we're pretty likely to hit on the first round pick. The overall draft record after the first round is pretty mediocre.
Shephard (I've seen this guy's name spelled several different ways) is my second choice as a receiver. Up until now I've really not considered Doctson because I thought he'd be off the board at #22. But if Shephard is my guy, I think I'd try to trade down from 22.
What's confusing to me is that every analysis I've read doesn't see Clark as you do. Maybe they are just blinded by his numbers and "potential". Anyways I do like Beavers and I hope the organization is diligent in their homework. Let's not have any mistakes.
I'll admit that I've been guilty of this myself at times, but every coach thinks that he can fix a player. So if they see a guy with severe flaws but incredible natural traits they will almost always say give me that guy and I'll fix him. That's why at the professional level (big financial investment) you need a guy (GM) that can work with the coaches and sort out which risks are worth it and which ones aren't. A lot of times the player can't be "fixed" and it would have been a better investment to take a safer player with a lower "ceiling".
If I couldn't find a satisfactory trade partner, I'd just go BPA, regardless of position.
Obviously. But if you could, what is the value of #22 to trade down if your positions of need are not grading out well to justify a #22 pick? Or maybe there is a guy worthy of #22, but the draft is so deep you'd rather get two or three really good players than one very good one. Do thoughts like this ever happen in the war rooms, or is it always "grab a stud if you can get a stud, regardless"?
You stay strict to your board or you make mistakes.
I would say yes. Some of the first round DL guys won't go as high as they deserve because teams know that the class is loaded with guys and they can still get a very good player later on. Contrast that with OT, where I think the top four will go quickly because the class drops off big time after them.
First, thanks for the lesson.
It should be as easy as using the draft value chart then rolling the dice and hoping the 2 or 3 guys your targeting are there when your turns come around.I'm more of a BPA than trade down person and I'm definitely not a trade up person.
honestly I would love to get Billings or Butler at 22, depending on who is left but I have both rated higher then Spriggs although I dont think I would mind him either
And if I go to bed Thurs. night with either Billings or Butler I won't toss & turn much.
I imagine you didn't toss or turn much when they drafted Nix.
Uhhh... I know what you are saying, but the way you said it.
The fact they missed on Nix III doesn't concern you about their DL evaluation process along with Clowney, that it's ok to throw a first @ position on Defense over taking care of their "New" franchise QB Brock Osweiler?
4.48 isn't slow. Factor in skills and he is very good player. Some recent mocks have Texans taking first WR off board so if wanted we can get a very good player later in 1 or 2.
What does one have to do with the other?
Take Kelly. In this scenario you have weighed talent, need, and fit and concluded that Kelly creates the biggest positive impact for the team. If that's what your board looks like you have to make sure you don't panic and jump for Coleman just because we want to add a speed element to the offense for our new QB. Perhaps Joseph is even the best "talent" of the three. But you have to take everything into account, not just "talent". Sometimes the "most talented" player is not the "best" player. It depends on who is making the pick.
because obviously if we failed at drafting one NT, we will most certainly fail at drafting another one. I mean look we failed with taking Keshawn Martin in the 4th round, and then we failed with Nuk in the first a year later oh wait....
You don't have to sell me on Shepard. I'm probably his biggest fan on this board. I agree that a good WR can still be had after the first. That's why I don't think we absolutely have to take one there.
