What to do in 1st round?

[thunderkyss]

lol so the the last couple of years of him here where he had decent protection was supposed to make him forget about the years prior where he was pounded to a pulp? You'd be a sack magnet/shell shocked too if you were pounded to a pulp for 3-4 years & had a guy with the nickname "turnstile" tasked with watching your backside.

That's what separates the Aaron Rogers from the Brian Hoyers.

He was not a very good qb, but the o-linemen he had in front of him for most of his time here made him look that much worse not the other way around..... & we can just leave it at that.

I give him a pass his first two years. Which is why I don't like the idea of starting a rookie QB if he doesn't know how to protect himself. David Carr did not know how to protect himself. Forget the OL. There's a certain level of protection he can't blame anyone but himself for. Get rid of the ball. Throw it out of bounds, throw it in the dirt. Throw it to the hot receiver. Call a freak'n time out. Very much the same as Case Keenum in the second half of those 8 games he started. Couldn't beat a blitz. Couldn't protect himself.

If he was burning up time outs, or throwing the ball into the stands... at receiver's feet. I'd say he did all he could & the OL was garbage. But when he's running around his linemen, defeating the leverage they worked so hard to gain... you can't blame the OL.

Every position on the line had been changed out twice over if not more before I said screw it. The kid's got to go. & actually, I was more upset with the coaches for leaving him in the game. Benching him would probably have helped his career a lot more than letting him take the beating he took.

 

[HOU-TEX]

They've always spent plenty on the OL when they had nothing to protect, I think they'll protect their investment.

Their ideas and methods probably won't agree with yours and then you can tell us how stupid smith is again

Just piggy-backin.

They've used 2 picks on OL (X & Q) in the last 3 drafts. Two out of 27 picks. Most of our OL have come in as UDFAs the past couple years. It was apparent the past two preseason's that our oline depth was pathetic.

Imo, an olineman or two should be drafted every dadgum draft. Toss in a dlineman or two as well.

 

[bah007]

Hopkins, Shorts and Strong aren't a bad WR Corp. I can't see WR as big of a need as OT, C, DE, DT, S.

A single injury to Any of the positions above could derail our entire season. Just don't get why everyone is harping on the WR spot as a first round must have.

I agree. I actually think we look pretty good at WR if Shorts can stay healthy and Strong can take a step forward in his development. Neither is an unrealistic expectation in my mind. I also think the upgrade at QB will make the TE position better, which helps out our WRs as well. I would like to add a guy at WR but it doesn't have to absolutely be in the early rounds.

If it's Doctson or Treadwell then sure. But to me, the other guys that will be available there don't improve the position enough to make that pick over some of the options we'll have available to us at other positions.

 

[Number19]

Hopkins, Shorts and Strong aren't a bad WR Corp. I can't see WR as big of a need as OT, C, DE, DT, S.

A single injury to Any of the positions above could derail our entire season. Just don't get why everyone is harping on the WR spot as a first round must have.

Admittedly I'm taking a chance, but after studying the OT prospects, I felt I could get my second choice in the second round. I felt I could get my OC in the 4th and in a deep draft for DT's, I liked what was still available in the 5th. I'm also taking a FS but went with a TE rather than a DE. This could come back to bite as you pointed out, but

I've always favored the vertical passing game and with three strong arms in our QB's, Coleman was the one prospect I figured could open up our offense.

I'm wanting to go offense through round 4 and want to see how Covington is played this year and see what Stills can do. If we can lock up our offensive needs this year, and if needed, we could go DE next in the first or second. At least, this is my reasoning.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

I'm definitely in the minority. Even with Brown questionable, I think Chris Clark can hold his own & I still believe we signed Bergstrum day one of FA to be our starting center. Not very flashy, but neither was the Chris Meyer trade. Then with Oday Abushi (sp) & Kendall Lamm... Jeff Allen, all in before OTAs.... I think the OL is going to be ok.

To be fair I think I could make a similar argument for almost every position on the team.

Sometimes in the off season I think the idea of what guys can contribute is a lot more positive than the reality.

We are ok at WR...........................until shorts gets hurt, mumphry can't get right, strong doesn't take the next step or is suspended....

We are ok at OL.....until Brown is not the same, Newton sucks again, the new guys don't work out, sua filo doesn't take the next step, Clark is getting abused by some good edge rusher....

We are OK at DE..........……until Watt gets banged up, Covington doesn't step up, Pagan is JAG or gets hurt.....

We are OK at LB......well, you get the picture....

There's obviously some bigger needs on the team than others but I guess my point is that there are few positions where I'd consider a guy a wasted pick. And I know you didn't say OL would be a wasted pick...I'm just saying I could see the team wanting to upgrade there despite the positive outlook you laid out.

 

[IDEXAN]

We are OK at DE..........……until Watt gets banged up, Covington doesn't step up, Pagan is JAG or gets hurt.....

Do you honestly think that Covington or Pagan are more than reserves for us at DE ? I think we need an upgrade there, we did before Crick left in FA. I say check out both A'shawn Robinson ('BAMA") and Vernon Butler (Lou Tech). Both of these guys are talented enough and versitile enough to play DE and also at NT to spell Villfork. I'd like to have an OT as much as Dlineman, but don't think any OTs available at #22 are gonna be the value of the stud dlineman I just mentioned. And we can get our WR later in the draft.
I had been interested in Coleman and Fuller earlier because of their long speed, but I'm thinking now both are marginal first round values. Actually both of them are kinda projects truth be known.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

Do you honestly think that Covington or Pagan are more than reserves for us at DE ?

That was the exact opposite of what I was trying to say.

I think this team is full of jags. Most teams are, however some of those jags step up for a moment, or a season or two...some guys thought to be jags end up having solid careers.

My point is that I could see us taking almost any position depending on the talent level of the players on board when we pick.

 

[thunderkyss]

There's obviously some bigger needs on the team than others but I guess my point is that there are few positions where I'd consider a guy a wasted pick. And I know you didn't say OL would be a wasted pick...I'm just saying I could see the team wanting to upgrade there despite the positive outlook you laid out.

I would not mind an upgrade to the OL at all. If I'm looking for a day one LT starter, I want to trade up & get Conklin or Decker.

If I'm looking for a RT that can maybe develop into a LT, I'd rather wait until the 2nd or third round.

I also think there are day one starters for the interior in the third & definitely developmental guys later.

That's all I'm saying. If we're staying at 22 I'd rather WR...

I'd be ok with just about anything really... I prefer WR, LB (but then everybody would be trying to push Cushing out the door), FS... if there were a good one in this range, I'd probably want him more than WR.

 

[IDEXAN]

I would not mind an upgrade to the OL at all. If I'm looking for a day one LT starter, I want to trade up & get Conklin or Decker.

If I'm looking for a RT that can maybe develop into a LT, I'd rather wait until the 2nd or third round.

I also think there are day one starters for the interior in the third & definitely developmental guys later.

That's all I'm saying. If we're staying at 22 I'd rather WR...

I'd be ok with just about anything really... I prefer WR, LB (but then everybody would be trying to push Cushing out the door), FS... if there were a good one in this ranhe, I'd probably want him more than WR.

I too like Conklin and Decker but as you imply they won't be on our Board @ 22, and besides Jason Babin who have the Texans ever traded up for in the first round ? I seriously doubt that it happens Thursday night ? I dunno I might be wrong, but we'll see soon.

 

[DocBar]

Here's a question: If you have 4 highly rated player at WR, OT, DL and LB; you grade them out pretty much as equal value at 1.22, all 4 could be day one starters. What position do you pick? I'm going OT.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Here's a question: If you have 4 highly rated player at WR, OT, DL and LB; you grade them out pretty much as equal value at 1.22, all 4 could be day one starters. What position do you pick? I'm going OT.

It would be hard for me to choose between WR, OT, and DL, and a lot depends on the player, I guess.

I tend to OT because I'm not as comfortable with our OTs. I'm afraid that DB is going to take some time to regain his form, if he ever does. And I'm not sold on Newton or Clark. So that would be the group that would need the injection of talent the most.

When it comes to DL, this is a draft deep in DL. I think we can replace Crick and get an understudy for Wilfork later in the draft.

WR, otoh, this is my big temptation. I love Hop. I think Strong could develop into a good receiver, but I'm not holding my breath. I hope he makes it. And Shorts? He doesn't give me warm fuzzies. I like the guy, but I want to upgrade him. There's a possibility that we can get a guy like Shepard in Round 2 or a guy like Caroo in Round 3-4 to place the slot and upgrade our WRs without having to go WR with that first pick. It would be tempting for a Doctson or a Treadwell, though.

 

[DocBar]

Here's a question: If you have 4 highly rated player at WR, OT, DL and LB; you grade them out pretty much as equal value at 1.22, all 4 could be day one starters. What position do you pick? I'm going OT.

It would be hard for me to choose between WR, OT, and DL, and a lot depends on the player, I guess.

I tend to OT because I'm not as comfortable with our OTs. I'm afraid that DB is going to take some time to regain his form, if he ever does. And I'm not sold on Newton or Clark. So that would be the group that would need the injection of talent the most.

When it comes to DL, this is a draft deep in DL. I think we can replace Crick and get an understudy for Wilfork later in the draft.

WR, otoh, this is my big temptation. I love Hop. I think Strong could develop into a good receiver, but I'm not holding my breath. I hope he makes it. And Shorts? He doesn't give me warm fuzzies. I like the guy, but I want to upgrade him. There's a possibility that we can get a guy like Shepard in Round 2 or a guy like Caroo in Round 3-4 to place the slot and upgrade our WRs without having to go WR with that first pick. It would be tempting for a Doctson or a Treadwell, though.

Strong being on the roster makes me go OT. I think he's going to develop just fine and OL is a much bigger need than Wr, in my book.

 

[ObsiWan]

Here's a question: If you have 4 highly rated player at WR, OT, DL and LB; you grade them out pretty much as equal value at 1.22, all 4 could be day one starters. What position do you pick? I'm going OT.

depends on the drop off in talent if I skip one of those four.
For example, if my next choice at OL or DL is a high 2nd rd grade, my next highest WR is a mid 2nd/high3rd, but my next highest graded LB is a 4th rd grade then I go LB.

 

[mussop]

Posted this in wrong thread.

I want talent. I want talented depth. Thats what I want on the DL. Denver ring a bell? Their the team who just won a championship with no offense and a dominant defense that was built around their best player. A Watt type player comes around once in a decade. Why not take advantage of the incredible luck we have of having Watt. IMO this is the best way to become a consistent contender for the super bowl. Surround the best player in football with quality talent so the opposition can't game plan him. Force them to guard him with limited resources and imagine what he could do! He's been winning MVP's while getting double and triple teamed! Think what he could do with the talent in Denver. Switch Watt and Miller. Watt would be looking like Miller did in the superbowl every game.


I would really like to see that!


You guys that have delusions of us having a QB driven team. Why? We already have our leader and dominant player that can carry this team if we just surround him with the right talent. But you would rather surround our new FA QB who has proven nothing really? I can't look at his body of work and see a legit argument to where he is the ONE we should build around and surround with the best available talent. I know you guys are excited about our shiny new QB and really want him to succeed but has he really proved anything to deserve to get priority over Watt? What if he turns out to be another Hoyer? I think there is a better chance of that happening than Watt's performance not improving drastically. If Watt's performance Improves imagine how big of an impact he could have!


What are you guys expecting that want to throw all our eggs in one basket for chance at Osweiler being more than average? You expecting him to be top 15? Top 10? 300 ypg?

 

[Brandon420tx]

Mussop, I'm all for building an extremely dominant defense around Watt. But when you score 0 points in a playoff game then it doesn't matter how amazing your defense is, it will be impossible to win the game. You can't count on a defense to score points/get turnovers in FG position for 3+ games straight in the playoffs

 

[IDEXAN]

Here's a question: If you have 4 highly rated player at WR, OT, DL and LB; you grade them out pretty much as equal value at 1.22, all 4 could be day one starters. What position do you pick? I'm going OT.

Yea I think the argument can be made that OT is the biggest need among those positions, and then depth or players expected to be on the Board in later rounds in those need positions needs to also be factored in.

 

[thunderkyss]

You guys that have delusions of us having a QB driven team. Why? We already have our leader and dominant player that can carry this team if we just surround him with the right talent. But you would rather surround our new FA QB who has proven nothing really? I can't look at his body of work and see a legit argument to where he is the ONE we should build around and surround with the best available talent. I know you guys are excited about our shiny new QB and really want him to succeed but has he really proved anything to deserve to get priority over Watt? What if he turns out to be another Hoyer? I think there is a better chance of that happening than Watt's performance not improving drastically. If Watt's performance Improves imagine how big of an impact he could have!


What are you guys expecting that want to throw all our eggs in one basket for chance at Osweiler being more than average? You expecting him to be top 15? Top 10? 300 ypg?

As great as Carolina's offense was during the regular season, once Denver's defense got a hold to them... they couldn't get out of their own way.

As poorly as Denver's offense played during the season, They scored 24 points against one of the better defenses in the league.

Denver's defense was 4th in points over the course of 2015. Carolina's was 6th. Seattle was number 1. Cincinnati was #2. Arizona was #3. Minnesota was #5.

You can't have one without the other. To win it all, you're going to have to score more than the other team & when their defense rivals yours... somebody scored more than the Seahawks, Bengals, Chiefs, & Vikings.

 

[steelbtexan]

I agree. I actually think we look pretty good at WR if Shorts can stay healthy and Strong can take a step forward in his development. Neither is an unrealistic expectation in my mind. I also think the upgrade at QB will make the TE position better, which helps out our WRs as well. I would like to add a guy at WR but it doesn't have to absolutely be in the early rounds.

If it's Doctson or Treadwell then sure. But to me, the other guys that will be available there don't improve the position enough to make that pick over some of the options we'll have available to us at other positions.

I'm for BPA in the 1st rd OL/DL/WR. I dont see a WR that's a day one game changer. (Maybe Doctson) I do see a guy like Kelly on the OL or Butler/Billings would make a greater impact. Kelly is a 10 yr day 1 starter. (Alex Mack)

 

[Brandon420tx]

Does anyone remember if they stream the draft on NFL.com?

 

[steelbtexan]

Posted this in wrong thread.

I want talent. I want talented depth. Thats what I want on the DL. Denver ring a bell? Their the team who just won a championship with no offense and a dominant defense that was built around their best player. A Watt type player comes around once in a decade. Why not take advantage of the incredible luck we have of having Watt. IMO this is the best way to become a consistent contender for the super bowl. Surround the best player in football with quality talent so the opposition can't game plan him. Force them to guard him with limited resources and imagine what he could do! He's been winning MVP's while getting double and triple teamed! Think what he could do with the talent in Denver. Switch Watt and Miller. Watt would be looking like Miller did in the superbowl every game.


I would really like to see that!


You guys that have delusions of us having a QB driven team. Why? We already have our leader and dominant player that can carry this team if we just surround him with the right talent. But you would rather surround our new FA QB who has proven nothing really? I can't look at his body of work and see a legit argument to where he is the ONE we should build around and surround with the best available talent. I know you guys are excited about our shiny new QB and really want him to succeed but has he really proved anything to deserve to get priority over Watt? What if he turns out to be another Hoyer? I think there is a better chance of that happening than Watt's performance not improving drastically. If Watt's performance Improves imagine how big of an impact he could have!


What are you guys expecting that want to throw all our eggs in one basket for chance at Osweiler being more than average? You expecting him to be top 15? Top 10? 300 ypg?

In this draft you can get 2 quality OL and 2 quality DL in rds 1-4. I would go this way and if I needed a speed guy I would take later rd shots on guys that can run. (Braverman/Moritz B/North/Grant.

The reason I wouldn't go WR in the 1st is I really like Caroo/Shepard and think one of those guys may be available in the 2nd/3rd.

RD.1 Spriggs
RD.2 A. Johnson
RD.3 Caroo
Rd.3. Glasgow (I would trade up for him.)

 

[badboy]

Hopkins, Shorts and Strong aren't a bad WR Corp. I can't see WR as big of a need as OT, C, DE, DT, S.

A single injury to Any of the positions above could derail our entire season. Just don't get why everyone is harping on the WR spot as a first round must have.

Because as it has been said, you only know what you get with Nuk. Shorts is basically an average WR and that is when he is healthy. Better that what we've grown accustomed to but still not much of a threat, again if he is on the field. Is Strong much more than a coin flip as to what he will be this season? Sure we can and should be optimistic, but that coin really needs to be a winner and immediately. Was the pot incident a stupid mistake or sign of the future? No reason to panic but no reason to write him in as a starter now. LT is important and should be addressed, but WR is not only a play maker but a point maker. If the line works, other positions can look better than they are. RB, WR and QB individually can lift the entire team. Each is likely to score.

As previously posted, compare players, is there a LT we can get later that matches LT we can get at 22? I say yes. I'm not saying the position is unimportant but we can get what we need in round three.

 

[leebigeztx]

I think people are jumping the gun on what this team could use on offense. Its not just restricted to speed, its playmaking ability. Just like Higgbee in the 3rd rd, a guy like Jerrell Adams at te fits the bill. Pharoah Cooper, Sterling Sheppard and Carroo will be there in the 2nd/3rd. Even late if his physical pans out, Byron Marshall of Oregon. He's a guy who had 1000 yds rushing 1 yr and 1000 yds receiving the next. A small package guy like Jakeem Grant who seem to make plays all over the field. This draft us chock full of dl prospects and the texans could use a talented defender also. More than 1 way to skin the cat.

 

[badboy]

Do you honestly think that Covington or Pagan are more than reserves for us at DE ? I think we need an upgrade there, we did before Crick left in FA. I say check out both A'shawn Robinson ('BAMA") and Vernon Butler (Lou Tech). Both of these guys are talented enough and versitile enough to play DE and also at NT to spell Villfork. I'd like to have an OT as much as Dlineman, but don't think any OTs available at #22 are gonna be the value of the stud dlineman I just mentioned. And we can get our WR later in the draft.
I had been interested in Coleman and Fuller earlier because of their long speed, but I'm thinking now both are marginal first round values. Actually both of them are kinda projects truth be known.

While I would be ok with Butler only as NT, Robinson is projected by many to be top 15 pick so I'd as soon mock Wentz/Goff as him. Yes, I do think Covington is more than a reserve. Drafting a nose will allow him to focus on one position and improve. You don't even mention Still who was a second round pick and info supports (daughter no longer dying) he could have a very good year and bring at least what Crick did.

We might be able to get WR later but few (I think only two, Shepherd and Peake) who offer starter potential first year and we have to be very lucky to get either.

 

[leebigeztx]

Coming out of that college spread and watching him this season, I would go the Flacco route. Mack was speed rushing the tackles in that 5 sack game,but everyone know Denver o-line was below avg.

 

[Norg]

in a perfect world we trade out of the 1st round and get some more 2nd or 3rd round picks and hit on all of them .......... But then again Rick is our GM so .........

 

[leebigeztx]

Coming out of that college spread and watching him this season, I would go the Flacco route. Mack was speed rushing the tackles in that 5 sack game,but everyone know Denver o-line was below avg.

 

[Mollywhopper]

Few days left, and this I feel is my final wish-list for #22. Yes Conklin will likely be gone, he's my one hopeful drop. But at least one, or more, of these guys will in all likelihood be there and I'd go down the board in order just like this ...

Jack Conklin
Josh Doctson
Andrew Billings
Jason Spriggs
Vernon Butler
Karl Joseph
Corey Coleman

... until of course I change my mind (again) leading up to Thurs night.

 

[Norg]

do the Texans have any ammo to trade up the draft I know these past 2 years rick has traded back into the 2nd round only to fail but was just wondering ...??? I don't think we do but wouldn't that be like WTF !!!! if the Texans make a roll of the dice for a top 10 player

 

[thunderkyss]

in a perfect world we trade out of the 1st round and get some more 2nd or 3rd round picks and hit on all of them .......... But then again Rick is our GM so .........

If only we had a GM who does that all the time, like....

 

[Thorn]

Is it Thursday night yet?

 

[DocBar]

It's going to be so much fun on Friday, when we're all arguing about who the Texans picked rather than who we think think they should pick.
Much more satisfying.

 

[bah007]

It's going to be so much fun on Friday, when we're all arguing about who the Texans picked rather than who we think think they should pick.
Much more satisfying.

Just remember: the more unanimously the pick is hated, the better that player will be for us.

 

[infantrycak]

Just remember: the more unanimously the pick is hated, the better that player will be for us.

As I recall AJ was greeted well but with an air of a consolation prize because we couldn’t get Rogers (and McGahee had blown his knee).

Thank goodness for consolation prizes like AJ & JJ.

 

[IDEXAN]

Few days left, and this I feel is my final wish-list for #22. Yes Conklin will likely be gone, he's my one hopeful drop. But at least one, or more, of these guys will in all likelihood be there and I'd go down the board in order just like this ...

Jack Conklin
Josh Doctson
Andrew Billings
Jason Spriggs
Vernon Butler
Karl Joseph
Corey Coleman

... until of course I change my mind (again) leading up to Thurs night.

There's some good prospects in there Mollywhopper. Leading my preferences in that group would be as follows" Conklin, Butler, & Spriggs.
It would be great if Conkling is there for us, but don't think he will be while there's a descent chance the other two are available IMO.

 

[badboy]

Is it Thursday night yet?

Actually Friday morning. Man you must have some primo..Texans traded Watt and Osweiler for 1st and 2nd picks round one and selected long snapper Nathan Theus and Rb/TE Derek Watt. In a face to face with cheering Texans fans, Ric Smith doing the Nixon V for Victory informed that the most consistent player on roster Jon Weeks was surprising let go. He is 30. More importantly Smith said he liked the rookies last name but when asked did not know how to pronounce it.

Smith noted that older brother JJ while good had been severely injured this past season. In a here to fore secret meeting with a doctor known only as Cloak and Dagger, Smith voiced that the Texans had come away realizing that Watt would start showing "compensation injuries" soon and it was better to get rid of the HEB advertisement AKA Watt. Younger brother Derek agreed to play for free but only after being assured he would be given a commercial with his mother for Blue Bell Ice Cream. He will also be given title of Listeria Control Officer.

Smith finalized the announcement saying it was hoped that all TEs and FB Jay Prosch would be released as O'Brien realized the tight end position could be eliminated. Knowing he would be the starting full back Derek Watt said he would try to be the best teammate he could be.

Mr. T, I hope this catches you up. I am looking forward to round two. Please remember it is puff, puff, pass..

 

[Seegara]

There's some good prospects in there Mollywhopper. Leading my preferences in that group would be as follows" Conklin, Butler, & Spriggs.
It would be great if Conkling is there for us, but don't think he will be while there's a descent chance the other two are available IMO.

There may be more truth than poetry in calling it a descent chance: it's apt to be ironically correct. But whomever we pick will be glorified by the fans. I've never known them to bemoan a selection until (in some cases) he turns out to be a failure.

 

[Seegara]

Actually Friday morning. Man you must have some primo..Texans traded Watt and Osweiler for 1st and 2nd picks round one and selected long snapper Nathan Theus and Rb/TE Derek Watt. In a face to face with cheering Texans fans, Ric Smith doing the Nixon V for Victory informed that the most consistent player on roster Jon Weeks was surprising let go. He is 30. More importantly Smith said he liked the rookies last name but when asked did not know how to pronounce it.

Smith noted that older brother JJ while good had been severely injured this past season. In a here to fore secret meeting with a doctor known only as Cloak and Dagger, Smith voiced that the Texans had come away realizing that Watt would start showing "compensation injuries" soon and it was better to get rid of the HEB advertisement AKA Watt. Younger brother Derek agreed to play for free but only after being assured he would be given a commercial with his mother for Blue Bell Ice Cream. He will also be given title of Listeria Control Officer.

Smith finalized the announcement saying it was hoped that all TEs and FB Jay Prosch would be released as O'Brien realized the tight end position could be eliminated. Knowing he would be the starting full back Derek Watt said he would try to be the best teammate he could be.

Mr. T, I hope this catches you up. I am looking forward to round two. Please remember it is puff, puff, pass..

<chuckle> I like it. In a multiteam deal, would you trade JJ and Oz for the overall 1st and 4 other 1st round picks?

 

[infantrycak]

There may be more truth than poetry in calling it a descent chance: it's apt to be ironically correct. But whomever we pick will be glorified by the fans. I've never known them to bemoan a selection until (in some cases) he turns out to be a failure.

Then you don't pay attention. Okoye, TJ, Babin and Watt were all less than well received.

 

[HuttoKarl]

I think get the biggest, baddest, nastiest OT, OG out there or find some sweet, sweet WR talent to catch some passes.

 

[HuttoKarl]

Then you don't pay attention. Okoye, TJ, Babin and Watt were all less than well received.

and Mario Williams.

 

[DocBar]

Then you don't pay attention. Okoye, TJ, Babin and Watt were all less than well received.

What's a descent chance? Does that imply a player falling in the draft? Ha!!

 

[Mollywhopper]

and Mario Williams.

And Kareem Jackson.

 

[bah007]

I know my post came off as facetious but I'm being dead serious. Really go back and look at the first round picks this franchise has made and look at the fan reactions to those picks. There is almost a perfect correlation between how much the pick is hated and how successful the player becomes. And vice versa as well. The picks that were celebrated tend to end up sucking.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

I just looked at some Corey Coleman film:

What The F is up with his run blocking?

That really soured me on him.

 

[mussop]

I just looked at some Corey Coleman film:

What The F is up with his run blocking?

That really soured me on him.

Seriously! I bithched about that all year. I tried to find anything to justify it and gave up. Then I was listening to a sports radio show and it was brought up. They said they are basically told to do nothing when the play is going to the opposite side of the field. Still there were times when he looked uninterested in blocking for runs to his side.

 

[JB]

Seriously! I bithched about that all year. I tried to find anything to justify it and gave up. Then I was listening to a sports radio show and it was brought up. They said they are basically told to do nothing when the play is going to the opposite side of the field. Still there were times when he looked uninterested in blocking for runs to his side.

The talking heads keep mocking him or Fuller to us, and I think I'd be disappointed in either pick at #22. On the bright side, I don't think any of them have ever gotten a Texans first round pick right since Carr

 

[Number19]

Seriously! I bithched about that all year. I tried to find anything to justify it and gave up. Then I was listening to a sports radio show and it was brought up. They said they are basically told to do nothing when the play is going to the opposite side of the field. Still there were times when he looked uninterested in blocking for runs to his side.

From my research, I found the same - both his limited route tree and his blocking was a result of Baylor's offensive scheme and instructions from the coaches

 

[badboy]

<chuckle> I like it. In a multiteam deal, would you trade JJ and Oz for the overall 1st and 4 other 1st round picks?

only if all are in same year as you know the value is a round less for future years. Hopefully all will read this and know tongue in cheek.

 

[badboy]

From my research, I found the same - both his limited route tree and his blocking was a result of Baylor's offensive scheme and instructions from the coaches

Agree and let not overlook that many WRs are not taught to block and many especially with speed don't run full tree because many coaches are so happy to get yards/points they don't teach other than that. Another example is scheme QBs or DBs that can cover but not tackle near LOS. I am behind Docston and Shepherd but if we end up with Coleman I am certain he can be taught what he needs to become very successful.

 

[michaelm]

I think of protection of QB like this. If my qb need alot of room to drive the ball, then I focus on the inside triangle,but if my qb doesn't, can short step and drive, then I'm looking at tackles. Case and point, Brees v Flacco. The oline for Brees was more geared to give him room inside. His inside 3 used to be really,really good and that made the tackles kinda so,so. Flacco is a guy who doesnt need alot of room to throw darts, so as long the tackles arent getting beat with speed rush, he's fine. So the texans have to kinda determine the avenue in which to protect Os.

Interesting points. Do we know if Os is a "needs room" guy or not?

From what I've seen, one of his best attributes is stepping up into middle pressure and keeping his eyes down field. He's actually pretty damn good in a messy pocket, seemingly unconcerned with bodies falling or flying around him at times. Uncoachable stuff.

Admittedly that's from a limited amount of watching videos though.