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What to do in 1st round?

Out of position for top 3 QB's, what should be 1st round strategy now?

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JB said:
to each their own... but in my opinion there's not a lot of difference in talent at bottom of first round and mid second. And having another first next year sure would be sweet
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just to clarify, if we traded 22 to lower team, any second round we got would not be in middle of round but near end. Unfortunately, most guys we would want in second probably would be gone by that acquired pick.

After pondering this a bit, I could see giving up #22 if I could get two of WR Sterling Shepherd, RB Dixon or Alex Collins plus third round OTs Kyle Murphy and Joe Haeg with our own picks plus the trade additions (there would have to be more of course but I'd consider it). Just no way to guarantee those guys.
 
JB said:
to each their own... but in my opinion there's not a lot of difference in talent at bottom of first round and mid second. And having another first next year sure would be sweet
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Depends who is available when we're up.
 
badboy said:
Denver is only team I see that might trade for 22 to get a QB; unless it is much better offer than I would expect, I would keep 22 & select Docston.

I think at safety we will see more playing time for Drummond. Not only did he sign a three year deal as UDFA showing Texans thought enough to control him for that long, he was very well thought of pre-draft by many including this MB. I don't recall anyone stating he would last beyond third round let alone fall out of draft. I did not want him in the rounds he was talked about but I believe he will develop especially in this defense.

I would be mildly surprised if Quentin Demps and Jared Crick are not in Texans uniform this season. I think Smith is allowing them to test waters for their value after decent seasons.

I don't think Ragland is a first round value nor do we need to draft that position before day three..if then
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What makes you think Doctson will for sure be there?
 
infantrycak said:
How do you figure?
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I am tired but..if we trade 22 with team below us for a deal including their second round, it would seem that second would be below our second round pick (# 52). IIRC from my looking for trade downs few weeks ago, only one team has more than one pick in second round that would be top 10 picks.

example Denver trades #31 + 63 (apprx) which is not mid round.
 
badboy said:
I am tired but..if we trade 22 with team below us for a deal including their second round, it would seem that second would be below our second round pick (# 52). IIRC from my looking for trade downs few weeks ago, only one team has more than one pick in second round that would be top 10 picks.

example Denver trades #31 + 63 (apprx) which is not mid round.
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I think he was contemplating dropping all the way to mid 2nd this year and getting a 1st next year. That works on the value chart.
 
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badboy said:
So..trading 22 for Oakland, Rams or Detroit's second + a first 2017? if so, I would not do that.
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I would, the chance of the Texans winning the SB next yr is slim. You can get a good WR like Shepard/OL like Ifedi/Whitehair or a DL like Johnson will be there.

Then in 2017 you will have two 1st rd picks and Os will have the experience to make the Texans serious SB contenders. # longterm planning
 
steelbtexan said:
I would, the chance of the Texans winning the SB next yr is slim. You can get a good WR like Shepard/OL like Ifedi/Whitehair or a DL like Johnson will be there.

Then in 2017 you will have two 1st rd picks and Os will have the experience to make the Texans serious SB contenders. # longterm planning
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The Texans odds of winning the Super Bowl next year, inside their own stadium (first NFL team to do so), have greatly improved with our recent free agent signings. Much better than they were a little over a week ago. If only I had been able to travel to Las Vegas and dropped a few grand on them before they had signed Brock Osweiler and Lamar Miller. If we can have a good draft and stay relatively healthy, I think we're the team to beat in the AFC. I really do. There is no need for us to make any trades.
 
steelbtexan said:
I would, the chance of the Texans winning the SB next yr is slim. You can get a good WR like Shepard/OL like Ifedi/Whitehair or a DL like Johnson will be there.

Then in 2017 you will have two 1st rd picks and Os will have the experience to make the Texans serious SB contenders. # longterm planning
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Waitaminit..?
SteelB is HASHtagging?
Truly the Zombie Apocalypse is upon us

j/k
 
With a brand new, shiny QB and RB, I'm firmly in the OL/DL camp unless Elliot somehow manages to fall to 1.22. I'd snatch him up in a heartbeat. I think he's going to be special. I'm very open to trading down also.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
The Texans odds of winning the Super Bowl next year, inside their own stadium (first NFL team to do so), have greatly improved with our recent free agent signings. Much better than they were a little over a week ago. If only I had been able to travel to Las Vegas and dropped a few grand on them before they had signed Brock Osweiler and Lamar Miller. If we can have a good draft and stay relatively healthy, I think we're the team to beat in the AFC. I really do. There is no need for us to make any trades.
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It was not long ago we had "crash and burn" and "is this team rebuilding?" to odds greatly improved for winning Super Bowl. Optimism I love it and more importantly I have it; or at least I am cautiously optimistic
 
badboy said:
It was not long ago we had "crash and burn" and "is this team rebuilding?" to odds greatly improved for winning Super Bowl. Optimism I love it and more importantly I have it; or at least I am cautiously optimistic
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Do we need to have an intervention? Ellisunit, full of BOP, etc are causes enough for alarm...I'm just here to help....
 
sandman said:
Because he drafted 2 in the last decade? And both would grade out to starters on just about every team in the NFL?
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I remember a press conference he had where he basically vocalized his love for all things cornerback. Im just saying dont discount it
 
DX-TEX said:
I remember a press conference he had where he basically vocalized his love for all things cornerback. Im just saying dont discount it
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The first time he drafts a CB in the first round that wasn't an immediate need position, will be the first time.

There is enough low hanging fruit on the man's resume that we don't have to start making things up.
 
Ever since we locked up the QB position, I've been saying that TE is our next pressing need. No other mock "experts" (including Zierlein) have recognized this need until Daniel Jeremiah just recently. After cutting Graham, we did nothing to address the position in FA, which means we'll draft for it. But there's a steep drop after Henry and Hooper, so we won't take chances. Henry in the 1st.

If not Henry, then an OT in the 1st and possible Hooper in the 2nd.
 
Brisco_County said:
Ever since we locked up the QB position, I've been saying that TE is our next pressing need. No other mock "experts" (including Zierlein) have recognized this need until Daniel Jeremiah just recently. After cutting Graham, we did nothing to address the position in FA, which means we'll draft for it. But there's a steep drop after Henry and Hooper, so we won't take chances. Henry in the 1st.

If not Henry, then an OT in the 1st and possible Hooper in the 2nd.
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Henry just isnt worth pick 22. He's bigtime over rated as an all around TE. His blocking is average at best. In no way do I see there not being more talented players at other need positions available. I think Vannett (sp?) Has as much upside and he could probably be available 3rd or 4th round. Strength of need shouldn't override superior talent at "lesser valued" needs.
 
We need to bolster the O-line with better talent in the 1st round, an OT or C/OG. I'd actually like to see the Texans take 2 O-linemen and 2 D-linemen in this draft. We need an OT and DE starter on the roster as well as quality depth at C/OG and NT. With the other 3 picks we can pick up a WR, TE, and Safety. Hopefully Rick Smith and our scouts have done a better job this year than in the past.
 
Wolf6151 said:
We need to bolster the O-line with better talent in the 1st round, an OT or C/OG. I'd actually like to see the Texans take 2 O-linemen and 2 D-linemen in this draft. We need an OT and DE starter on the roster as well as quality depth at C/OG and NT. With the other 3 picks we can pick up a WR, TE, and Safety. Hopefully Rick Smith and our scouts have done a better job this year than in the past.
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If they can add 4 pieces then they will have had a great draft. Will it be enough to stay ahead of the division. Maybe if OS plays very well.

I just hope they do what ever it takes to protect OS and give him somebody that can stretch the field.

The Texans thing to do would be to give Os all of that $$$$ and then not put an OL around him to protect their investment.
 
steelbtexan said:
The Texans thing to do would be to give Os all of that $$$$ and then not put an OL around him to protect their investment.
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They've always spent plenty on the OL when they had nothing to protect, I think they'll protect their investment.

Their ideas and methods probably won't agree with yours and then you can tell us how stupid smith is again
 
JB said:
They've always spent plenty on the OL when they had nothing to protect, I think they'll protect their investment.

Their ideas and methods probably won't agree with yours and then you can tell us how stupid smith is again
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HWNSNBM

And your probably right when Smith's plan doesn't work out. (Again) As it should be.
 
steelbtexan said:
If they can add 4 pieces then they will have had a great draft. Will it be enough to stay ahead of the division. Maybe if OS plays very well.

I just hope they do what ever it takes to protect OS and give him somebody that can stretch the field.

The Texans thing to do would be to give Os all of that $$$$ and then not put an OL around him to protect their investment.
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I'm more concerned about the first part of that statement than the second, protecting our new QB should take priority over stretching the field. Also I want it to be with some early and mid round talent not end of the draft leftovers.
 
Wolf6151 said:
I'm more concerned about the first part of that statement than the second, protecting our new QB should take priority over stretching the field. Also I want it to be with some early and mid round talent not end of the draft leftovers.
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I think of protection of QB like this. If my qb need alot of room to drive the ball, then I focus on the inside triangle,but if my qb doesn't, can short step and drive, then I'm looking at tackles. Case and point, Brees v Flacco. The oline for Brees was more geared to give him room inside. His inside 3 used to be really,really good and that made the tackles kinda so,so. Flacco is a guy who doesnt need alot of room to throw darts, so as long the tackles arent getting beat with speed rush, he's fine. So the texans have to kinda determine the avenue in which to protect Os.
 
leebigeztx said:
I think of protection of QB like this. If my qb need alot of room to drive the ball, then I focus on the inside triangle,but if my qb doesn't, can short step and drive, then I'm looking at tackles. Case and point, Brees v Flacco. The oline for Brees was more geared to give him room inside. His inside 3 used to be really,really good and that made the tackles kinda so,so. Flacco is a guy who doesnt need alot of room to throw darts, so as long the tackles arent getting beat with speed rush, he's fine. So the texans have to kinda determine the avenue in which to protect Os.
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Interesting points. Do we know if Os is a "needs room" guy or not?
 
Brisco_County said:
Ever since we locked up the QB position, I've been saying that TE is our next pressing need. No other mock "experts" (including Zierlein) have recognized this need until Daniel Jeremiah just recently. After cutting Graham, we did nothing to address the position in FA, which means we'll draft for it. But there's a steep drop after Henry and Hooper, so we won't take chances. Henry in the 1st.

If not Henry, then an OT in the 1st and possible Hooper in the 2nd.
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I'd still take Higbee late in the 2nd or in the third before I take Henry in the first.


steelbtexan said:
HWNSNBM
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We might not have surrounded him with all-pros & early draft picks, but we didn't stick him out there with chopped liver either. David Carr never learned how to protect himself; getting the ball out on time, throwing it away when necessary, or finding his hot receiver. Like Keenum, he never learned how to beat a blitz. We just wasted two & a half years waiting for it to happen (giving him a pass for the first two & a half years).

Don't get me wrong, the OL does shoulder some of the issues, but when he's consistently facing eight in the box to stop DD... he should have been able to do better than he did.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'd still take Higbee late in the 2nd or in the third before I take Henry in the first.
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I agree. I like Henry more than some around here, think he'll be a pretty good all-around TE in this league. The Witten comparison is a stretch, but I think Todd Heap sounds about right. That said, there are too many good players hovering around 22 (Doctson, Billings, Butler, Spriggs) that could be even more impactful while an Austin Hooper or Tyler Higbee will still be floating around later, hopefully, and can offer much of the same at much better value.
 
I suggest turning the formula around; rather than say "who will be available at 22, then what position do we need and finally deciding on player", go with four positions regardless of perceived need rank (because many disagree). Then list players for each position based on known info about each player. Don't use just info at usual links that describe the player; dig a bit deeper. Even if you did not watch the players in actual games there are numerous links posted by several of us that allow you to watch videos and get fairly in depth info from various people. Some who have posted here for years do actually watch games and offer comment and are good sources. *Note it is great to have your own thoughts about who and what is needed but if most others that you respect (notice I did not say others you like) disagree and can offer info to support their claim, it might be time to reconsider your opinion. I am the most hard headed guy on this message board but I always review the thoughts of most of those posting here in addition to other sources.

Not all but most of us agree on top four positions of need even if not the round. LT, DE/DT, WR and Nose. Once players at each of these are selected and I usually use a base of five guys, I then compare each player at each of these positions. For example, I like Conklin, Spriggs, Murphy, Drango and Willie Beavers at left tackle to establish the "pool". IMO all can play left tackle, other players may be good but it is suggested those will have to move inside or to RT. Hey, (as Charlie Casserly likes to say) Duane Brown may be ready game one and Clark may be better than I think but I'm still going after LT in top four of draft.

This is where it gets touchy as so many on board and off disagree on who is better. I never pass on a day one starter for a need to choose a "needs some time to adjust". I have trumpeted Josh Docston for long time as WR that can start day one. He has it all + his size, ability to go get ball and motor is going to get my vote and in last couple weeks others have him moving up from around #36 ranking to mid-first round. One ESPN analyst recently stated he would take him #1 over all. I think Conklin is gone before 22, but I should be able to get Beavers round three who compares well to Conklin and even better than Spriggs immediately. So he is my guy at #85; if he is gone, I can still get very good LT (Murphy and Haeg), that should be able to start by mid-season. I do think O'Brien goes with Clark over Murphy and Haeg to start.

Summation: WR Docston has several saying he is best WR in draft with Treadwell and Coleman dropping. I identified him early as a Hopkins type guy and folks like John Harris agree. The position + player is better than almost any DE/DT that might fall to #22 (Jaran Reed I might take over WR). I can resolve two positional needs and still have rounds two and four. In addition, several DTs can play Nose if needed and this + other DT/NT such as Ridgeway and Reader can be had round 4 or 5.

Just my two centavos
 
thunderkyss said:
I'd still take Higbee late in the 2nd or in the third before I take Henry in the first.

We might not have surrounded him with all-pros & early draft picks, but we didn't stick him out there with chopped liver either.
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Chopped liver would've been an upgrade. most of the dudes assigned to protect Carr were straight excrement. The only lineman Carr got a chance to play with that was worth a damn was McKinney; & he was just average. Hell Chester Pitts is known more for a SB commercial as opposed to his play on the field.

Victor Riley, Seth Wand, Zack Wiegert, Fred Weary, Milford Brown...stop me when you see a name on that list that even made a damn pro bowl...Those guys, combined with Carr's work ethic....dude never had a chance.

At least that Boselli guy was an all pro steal from jax.........or at least he would've been if he'd actually gotten on the damn field.
 
Hopkins, Shorts and Strong aren't a bad WR Corp. I can't see WR as big of a need as OT, C, DE, DT, S.

A single injury to Any of the positions above could derail our entire season. Just don't get why everyone is harping on the WR spot as a first round must have.
 
infantrycak said:
Demonstrably not the case. 2006 to 2007 the only OL change was Winston instead of Wiegert. Sacks went from 43 to 22. Carr was a sack magnet who made the OL look bad.
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lol so the the last couple of years of him here where he had decent protection was supposed to make him forget about the years prior where he was pounded to a pulp? You'd be a sack magnet/shell shocked too if you were pounded to a pulp for 3-4 years & had a guy with the nickname "turnstile" tasked with watching your backside.

He was not a very good qb, but the o-linemen he had in front of him for most of his time here made him look that much worse not the other way around..... & we can just leave it at that.
 
Carr was responsible for half the sacks against him the whole time. FFS who can't figure out to throw the ball away before going out of bounds behind the LOS?

Nevermind - not to to argue over a guy gratefully long gone.
 
mussop said:
Hopkins, Shorts and Strong aren't a bad WR Corp. I can't see WR as big of a need as OT, C, DE, DT, S.

A single injury to Any of the positions above could derail our entire season. Just don't get why everyone is harping on the WR spot as a first round must have.
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I'm definitely in the minority. Even with Brown questionable, I think Chris Clark can hold his own & I still believe we signed Bergstrum day one of FA to be our starting center. Not very flashy, but neither was the Chris Meyer trade. Then with Oday Abushi (sp) & Kendall Lamm... Jeff Allen, all in before OTAs.... I think the OL is going to be ok.

I wouldn't mind it at all if the Texans were going to take an OL, but looking at what's there, I'd much rather they pass if they're not going to trade up for Conklin or Decker.

If we're not trading up, I'd rather use that pick to bolster a strength, rather than "shore up" a supposed position of need.

WR preferrably, if the guy's named Treadwell or Doctson. Edge rusher would be nice. Safety. If we can get a true, rangy, play making FS, that would be the bees knees.
 
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