Tampa Bay had the 2nd lowest operating income in that year... only 2.2 million compared to Dallas's 250 million
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Brock Osweiler agrees to 4 year 72 million
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Tampa Bay had the 2nd lowest operating income in that year... only 2.2 million compared to Dallas's 250 million
Texian
Hall of Fame
After the atrocious playoff game along with history of the circus play of QBs throughout the season you know McNair had a burr under his saddle. In much the way he had a burr under his saddle on his flight home from JAX the night before he fired Kubiak. Since that playoff loss McNair has been singing at the top his voice that QB was HIS top priority. McNair went with the very first option he thought would have an immediate fix and upgrade his QB Circus of the last 3 years (that bar is set very low) without any consideration to superior play in future years. This is part of the .433 McNair behavioral pattern.
Clearer thinking, a higher commitment to excellence and the correct action to take would've been to fire the people responsible for QB Circus. Desperate people resort to desperate actions. Common sense says O'Brien and Smith should feel threatened by calamity of QB play over the last two years. They are not interested in any long term fix regardless of how excellent it could be. The only long term O'Brien and Smith are interested in is their job security and their job security rest with "Fix it Now." (not later) At this point, right now, O'Brien and Smith are more interested in having a job next year than any long term health of the Houston Texans. So McNair has cast his lot, once again, with a couple of guys who have proven they are pretty good at developing a QB Circus.
I'd say that if Os can improve slightly on his numbers from last year, we'll be in good shape. He's already demonstrated an ability to overcome the things that did in Hoyer, I.E. "big moment" type situations. Hoyer craters under that kind of pressure. Os hasn't been a "put the team on my back" guy, but he hasn't played poorly in any of the "big" games he's been in, and he was in a bunch of them last year. That alone, coupled with what I would hope are at least slightly improved numbers over last year give me some confidence that this guy can do the job asked of him. He may not put up Manning or Breeze in his prime type numbers, but he shouldn't have to in order to be successful with this team.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I actually agree with most of this. OB wasted his free 1st 2 years futzing around with dime store QBs. As far as we know that was entirely on him (fault to Smith letting him aside). He and Smith undoubtedly do feel extra pressure and that may have weighed against a rookie QB.
Now the problem for Texian is, the solution for that would be more McNair involvement, not less.
May not have anything to do with anything... but he's a spooky looking guy.
He looks like a Tim Burton character.
The dude, not the chick.
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Year one... kinda made sense. We just needed a bridge, so he can see what we got. Low expectations in season 1, but he screwed up & went 9-7. So expectations were higher in season 2 than it should have been... maybe.
But Brian Hoyer. That makes absolutely no sense. He even cost more than Fitz. We all knew who Hoyer was, he proved to be who we thought he was... I don't know if I'd have been as upset if he'd have just left Fitz in there to battle it out with Hoyer again. I don't know how I would have explained it, but the idea that Hoyer was brought in to take us past the 9-7 level... just doesn't make any sense.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Hoyer is done here. I understand the feeling of not trusting OB to not keep trying to make his boy Brian the starter but some of that feeling the fan base shares is left over from watching Kubiak do it with Schaub before OB did it with Hoyer. When Bob McNair spends $72 million dollars on a QB that S.O.B. is going to play. That's just how the NFL player-go-round works. Houston is no different than anywhere else.
Hoyer might stay on the roster but I think that's the extent of OB's ability to keep him around and I even doubt that. Hoyer will be cut or traded before TC most likely. Might be the veteran who holds the clip board but that's all.
If Savage can't do that by now he should be seeing the street too.
Hoyer might stay on the roster but I think that's the extent of OB's ability to keep him around and I even doubt that. Hoyer will be cut or traded before TC most likely. Might be the veteran who holds the clip board but that's all.
If Savage can't do that by now he should be seeing the street too.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
May not have anything to do with anything... but he's a spooky looking guy.
He looks like a Tim Burton character.
The dude, not the chick.
One of them is a dude?
Wolf
100% Texan
I was looking around for at a cleveland site. About trades. I should have done my research. It seems that it would have takena hell of a lot more bargaining than 2 number ones,a 2and another high draft pick.
Heck just with no. 15 los Angeles, they are talking possible more than 3 no. 1s and 2 no. 2 based that article. (And you have philly and san fran mentioned)
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/03/now_that_they_browns_have_sign.html
If you think rick and bob should move up. Its too heavy of a price. Always was.we have too many holes to fill
Yet i expect tbe browns to wise up and draft one to groom being rg3 only has a 2 year deal. I figure LA will make some moves with case starting.
Heck just with no. 15 los Angeles, they are talking possible more than 3 no. 1s and 2 no. 2 based that article. (And you have philly and san fran mentioned)
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/03/now_that_they_browns_have_sign.html
If you think rick and bob should move up. Its too heavy of a price. Always was.we have too many holes to fill
Yet i expect tbe browns to wise up and draft one to groom being rg3 only has a 2 year deal. I figure LA will make some moves with case starting.
We seem to have our own Mike Ditka on this board that feels otherwise, but I think most of us would agree that the price appears to be way too high.
Wolf
100% Texan
I just think dallas and Cleveland will take the 1st 2 qbs unless someone gives up the farm which i think la,philly or san fran could and they have more enticing picking positions meanwhile where we stand, we would have to up the ante considerably to even get mentioned. Rick and bob did the best at that time (for once) to get a qb.
Brandon420tx
Flounder
I wonder how many times I have to state that Texian is just bored.
The difference between this offseason and the Bortles offseason is this year people actually think Wentz could be a good QB. So he's taking his entertainment a step further to provoke people.
The difference between this offseason and the Bortles offseason is this year people actually think Wentz could be a good QB. So he's taking his entertainment a step further to provoke people.
Agreed, I just wish Hoyers 5 mil had been spent on a TE/S/DE in FA.
If you think the price is too high, you're not convinced Wentz/Goff is a franchise QB.
Most people aren't, but like you said... Mike Ditka. They're out there.
If he knew how to engage and interact with people so that he could manipulate them I might agree with you.
That's all well and good, but you didn't watch as much film and don't have the innate insight that a couple of our fellow members have, so your point of view is invalid and moot.
He might be doing a better job of that than you think... he's being talked about much more than BO is
I guess that would depend on your definition of franchise QB. Either or both of those guys may become good, solid starting QBs for whoever drafts them. I'm not sure either will become a top 5 type guy. If you're giving up that much to get him the guy better become one of the best in the game IMO.
[Quote:]I wonder how many times I have to state that Texian is just bored.
The difference between this offseason and the Bortles offseason is this year people actually think Wentz could be a good QB. So he's taking his entertainment a step further to provoke people.[/QUOTE]
Do you not think some of us aren't baiting Texian? I'm pretty bored also. lol
Plenty of people thought Bortles was franchise QB material, including myself. If I were OB, I'd probably drafted him. There's not a lot of difference between the two. I wouldn't be surprised to see similar career arcs if the Browns draft him.
I, for one, don't view McNair as inept as Browns or Jags owners.
The difference between this offseason and the Bortles offseason is this year people actually think Wentz could be a good QB. So he's taking his entertainment a step further to provoke people.[/QUOTE]
Do you not think some of us aren't baiting Texian? I'm pretty bored also. lol
Plenty of people thought Bortles was franchise QB material, including myself. If I were OB, I'd probably drafted him. There's not a lot of difference between the two. I wouldn't be surprised to see similar career arcs if the Browns draft him.
I, for one, don't view McNair as inept as Browns or Jags owners.
The difference is not the definition of an NFL franchise QB. The difference is in whether or not you value the owners money or draft picks more. Osweiler and any draft pick in the 2016 draft are gambles. Osweiler has the advantage of having NFL game tape on his side. Draft picks are purely speculative. In either case, it's a SWAG that the guy a team chooses will be the answer. The NFL might as well start holding the draft in Las Vegas.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Just a hunch, but I would bet that we will feel better about those positions after the draft.
S is a spot where you can usually find value in the mid rounds. Same for DE, at least in our system. TE not so much but I don't think they are looking for an impact guy there. I think they have a specific skill set in mind that would mesh well with what we already have.
Honestly, you'd have to either be bored or completely obsessed to watch that much film. I mean that with respect, too, because I could never, ever spend that much time studying film of players. I have a hard time staying focused long enough to practice my guitar for a couple of hours!
As far as Texian being contrary, I personally think it's good for the board in an off-season. Yeah, y'all take digs at each other from time to time, but just in the interest of discussion, I think a counter opinion for everyone to debate and talk about is a good thing. Too much agreement is a bit boring as a reader.
Besides, I do not think McNair & Co. is beyond reproach. A good fan base is full of all kinds of opinions and perspectives. IMO, of course.
Very true. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you think the guy is going to become Peyton, you probably go all in with whatever you have to give up in order to draft him. If you're not convinced that he can be that level of good, you do what the Texans did. The last QB coming out of college with that kind of hype was probably Luck. If either of these guys had that kind of perceived upside, I think I'd feel differently about it. As far as I can tell, they're both just "best in this draft", as opposed to "can't miss future HOF". That in mind, and viewing the cost in draft picks to get him, I think the guys on Kirby made the right decision.
Texian
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I believe this has more to do with wishful thinking on the part of hopeful Cleveland fans.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Being a Draftnik is a hobby and I don't have a guitar. I've been a draftnik for over 30 years. I started studying the current college QBs the first of June last year because my instinct told me the Texans QB Circus would continue. When you watch and study so many games over that many years you will begin to notice trends and patterns. There are times that I do like to poke the bear. Particularly when this board goes into hibernation, there's not much fun in that. I have scaled down and now I only focus on a few positions, Bah007 and Wolverine are the best sources for all positions. Now that the Texans have their QB I will probably focus on another position next year unless OS pulls a Hoyer.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
I've had my doubts, but now I think McNair wants to win as well as turn a profit. And on this date in 2017, IMO, Obie will no longer be a member of the organization.
My thinking is it would be better to draft Goff than Wentz. The former figures to do better as a pro.
Shishkabob
All Pro
so you are predicting another dumpster fire of a season?
What is it about Goff that makes you think he'll be a better pro than Osweiler?
I ask, because I do like Goff. I think he's got franchise potential. I honestly know nothing about Osweiler.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
Either that or an outhouse fire.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
He has some good qualities. Accuracy, quick release, intelligence. (He will outperform Oz, even though my original comparison was Goff-Wentz.)
Good feet
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Then look for Buffalo to trade up for him.
Wentz is another one I know next to nothing about. I'm trying not to pass judgment on him, haven't found enough "film" to be able to say one way or the other.
I can't imagine a team like Cleveland drafting him, then grooming him & not forcing him into action too soon. I don't have a lot of confidence in RGIII satisfying the Cleveland fans to hold back that pressure.
If I were a fan of Wentz, I most definitely wouldn't want him going to Cleveland.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I have never had doubts that McNair wanted to win, I have strong doubts that he knows how to go about it. So far he isn't doing anything to relieve those doubts. I wouldn't be surprised if OB is gone. I am often amazed at how many head coaches lock in their QB one year and are gone the next or shortly thereafter.
corytx8
Rookie
You think? Forget about the leash McNair gave Gary K. before firing him? I remember people was in shock after 2010. I know I was.
Texian
Hall of Fame
After 2011 McNair stepped in and hired Wade. That's why Kubiak got a pass. This was also about the time that McNair said we have the money and we're going to spend it, adding to length of the leash. Spend it he did putting the Texans into salary cap hell for the next 3 years. After 2013 I would have gone to Kubiak and said he could remain as the Texans Head Coach only if he agreed to give up control and final say on the 53 man roster. Part of the problem there was McNair was set on Keenum as the QB of the future and Kubiak didn't agree so I doubt Kubiak would've stayed under those conditions. Kubiak had already accommodated McNair his first year by keeping David Carr and McNair was all to happy to pay Carr's $10MM extension. Unfortunately for OB he was handed a good defense and a fairly good offense sans a QB. Since the Offensive and QB guru (OB) has arrived the offense has gone downhill and the defense is beginning to deteriorate through attrition. I don't think McNair will be as forgiving with a sub .500 season in 2016.
Took me a second, but that's damn funny!
Are you predicting a sub .500 season?
Texian
Hall of Fame
I would not be surprised, much tougher schedule, Luck is healthy, 60% of OL new and the other starters are below average, D is 1 or 2 injuries away from average. On the bright side Lamar Miller is a plus but depends on how OL gels. To answer your question directly, Yes, I don't think that 4 -12 or 6 -10 is completely out of the question.
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Mangler
Toro de España
I'm getting sick and tired of the media going around telling anyone and anything that will listen how "dumb" we are for signing Osweiler to that kind of contract.
I find it irritating how they conveniently forget that Elway actually tried to get Osweiler to stay, but he couldn't afford to get in a bidding war with us, due to the cap hell that he put himself in, and instead go around telling anyone and anything that will listen that Elway "refused" or was "unwilling" to pay Brock that kind of money. The Broncos just couldn't afford to even compete with us (for Brock) because they had no cap space!
Perhaps they should focus on the girly way that Elway decided to take a shot at Osweiler, unlike Kubiak and many others who actually praised Brock, even though he was no longer a Bronco.
Screw the Broncos, and their salty ass fans! Rant over...
I find it irritating how they conveniently forget that Elway actually tried to get Osweiler to stay, but he couldn't afford to get in a bidding war with us, due to the cap hell that he put himself in, and instead go around telling anyone and anything that will listen that Elway "refused" or was "unwilling" to pay Brock that kind of money. The Broncos just couldn't afford to even compete with us (for Brock) because they had no cap space!
Perhaps they should focus on the girly way that Elway decided to take a shot at Osweiler, unlike Kubiak and many others who actually praised Brock, even though he was no longer a Bronco.
Screw the Broncos, and their salty ass fans! Rant over...
So would you be surprised with a winning season? Another 9-7 or better?
I'd be surprised.
Last year I thought it would be a miracle if we won more than five games with Hoyer as our starting QB & felt there was no hope of doing any better. However, hope creeped in when O'b benched Hoyer in week 1.
That said, in this case, while I'd be surprised if we win more than eight games, I think it is absolutely possible.
& if it looks like we have a bona-fide offense I might get off the "fire O'b" train.
But the real question is if the Texans draft Wentz what will their record be?
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
That's all fine and dandy, and it's one to thing for someone to think he knows better than anyone here, it's another to act like you know better than the people who actually get paid to do it.
It's also one thing to give opinions here, and another to go on and on and on and on and on and on believing what you speak is the gospel, and taking a condescending tone towards everyone who don't buy what you're spewing.
Sure, everybody agreeing is boring, and differing opinions are a good thing, but for a guy to take the time he does to pound on something over and over and over and over and over, with absolutely no regard for differing opinions and no respect to anyone disagreeing with him, that's pretty boring too.
And my God man, with the time he spends here trying to convince everybody, it's got to be taking away from his film study. How is he watching all of this film when he's going balls to the wall in here?
I've never seen someone go from some of the good things he brought to the table to becoming the joke that he's become now, and do it so fast. Pretty funny but also pretty sad.
I get giving your opinion and arguing that opinion when someone comes with one that's different. What I don't get is spending that kind of time trying to change everybody's minds. And then belittling them when they don't conform. Yeah, that's pretty boring too.
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