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Brock Osweiler agrees to 4 year 72 million

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speedfreek said:
Feels like we just spent Bugatti money on a Jetta GTI..
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could be worse

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badboy said:
but we are not comparing Os entry in the draft but Os now to those guys
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Well he's got those 7 NFL starts and an 86.4 QB rating to show for them which ranks him #41. That puts him in fine company and just behind Case Keenum, Geno Smith and Ryan Fitzpatrick and that's worth $72MM these days.
 
WolverineFan said:
As rookies, Dwayne Allen was clearly the #1 TE under Bruce Arians. Then Arians left for Arizona and Indy replaced him with Pep Hamilton, who was Fleener's OC at Stanford. Hamilton immediately made Fleener the #3 option in the passing game. He's spent his last 3 years being top 3 in targets and averaging just 6.9 yards per target. Hamilton got fired this year and Rod Chudzinski came in and immediately told Allen that he would be he #1 TE going forward (which is why Allen was re-signed for $7M per year this week).

It's just my opinion, but I think Fleener is a complete by product of playing with Luck in college and once he got the NFL he was a #2 TE. Then his old OC came in and elevated him over the other guy (who is a better player). Once his old OC got fired he was again the #2 TE. He's a JAG, IMO. I'd start Ryan Griffin over him for sure.
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Good stuff. Thanks for sharing.

Moot point I guess now. Here's to hoping you are right and he doesn't become a top 5 TE in New Orleans.
 
Texian said:
At the time, there was a question whether Peyton could throw a ball 20 yds and could he throw more than 25MPH. Contact was not an issue at the throwing sessions.
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Contact was a common sense question given his age and the type of surgery he was coming off of, and it made the selection of the guy behind him a bit more relevant than to be just a guy when that guy came out of school.

Again, unless you think the great John Elway would do that.
 
BigBull said:
Please don't act like the talent Wentz faced is on the same level as what Osweiller faced in college. Wenz will be a bust.
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See... there's no reason to go there. Taking out your anger & frustration for Texian in this innocent kid.

Texian isn't the only one saying Wentz is special. (As an aside, I wonder what happened to the other QBs that won an FCS title with NDState... probably starting for an NFL world championship team no doubt.)

Well see in April what real NFL teams think of Wentz, well he'll most likely be drafted by the same team that ignored a million dollar study to draft Manziel, so maybe we'll never know.
 
Elway is familiar with him while in school...drafts him in 2nd round. Grooms him as backup and future starter behind all time legend. Forced to spot start and holds his own and helps team lock down home field advantage in playoffs. Elway knows him better than anyone and offers him $16M per year and $30M guaranteed. Texans offer him $18M per year and $37M guaranteed and all of a sudden the narrative is that the Broncos dodged a bullet.

Am I the only one who finds it ridiculous that it's acceptable for Denver to offer him $16M+ and $30M guaranteed but the Texans offer $18M and $37M guaranteed and it's a severe overpay?
 
Dwayne Allen was clearly the best TE coming out of college but had some serious misconduct and behavior problems at Clemson. At one point I think Dabo was ready to kick him off the team.
 
Say Watt said:
Good stuff. Thanks for sharing.

Moot point I guess now. Here's to hoping you are right and he doesn't become a top 5 TE in New Orleans.
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He will put up good numbers in New Orleans because of their scheme (Ben Watson just had a career year at 36 years old) but he is a low efficient player (low yards per target, lots of drops, poor blocker). I imagine in 5 years people will see his stats and say "damn that guy can play" while Saints fans will be saying "damn we overpaid that guy".
 
WolverineFan said:
Elway is familiar with him while in school...drafts him in 2nd round. Grooms him as backup and future starter behind all time legend. Forced to spot start and holds his own and helps team lock down home field advantage in playoffs. Elway knows him better than anyone and offers him $16M per year and $30M guaranteed. Texans offer him $18M per year and $37M guaranteed and all of a sudden the narrative is that the Broncos dodged a bullet.

Am I the only one who finds it ridiculous that it's acceptable for Denver to offer him $16M+ and $30M guaranteed but the Texans offer $18M and $37M guaranteed and it's a severe overpay?
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Is this directed at me? If so just let me know and I will happy to respond.
 
Texian said:
Is this directed at me? If so just let me know and I will happy to respond.
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Just a general rant directed at nobody in particular. I'm seeing a lot of TV analysts and Broncos sympathizers saying the Texans overpaid. Yet 6 hours ago they were all perfectly content with whatever Elway was going to offer him.

The Texans obviously overpaid. My issue is this narrative that it wasn't an overpay if he re-signed with Denver because Elway is a genius but he signed with Houston so yea it's an overpay.
 
PDS ‏@PatDStat 5m5 minutes ago
Looks like a $21 million cap hit in 2016 for Osweiler. All $37 guaranteed in the first two years of his deal . Essentially a two year deal.


Thats a great deal. No reason to hate this. He is expandable after year 2. Furthers my proof that this is less risky in comparison to a rookie.
 
Texans are in win now mode. Bob knows he cant waste 2-3 years waiting on a qb to develop and the Texans cant afford to give up multiple high draft picks when this team needs players and depth. Lots of holes to fill on this team.
Is brock going to be worth it? We dont know yet. Hopefully he can "take command of the team "...

For those that don't know why i have that in quotes


the reference
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/c...g-named-broncos-starting-quarterback-playoffs
 
BigBull said:
Please don't act like the talent Wentz faced is on the same level as what Osweiller faced in college. Wenz will be a bust.
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I certainly understand you taking me to task for liking the faux talented Wentz. Mike Mayock has him as his #1 QB and the first QB to be drafted. Now you may have better information and sources than Mr. Mayock so you you may have a point. In this case please don't be upset if I side with Mayock on Wentz.
 
Texian said:
Parcels waited until after a QB had 20 starts before deciding on how good a QB might be. I subscribe to Parcels line of thinking if you don't mind.
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Parcells also thought Henne and Ryan were the same guy. We found out quickly he was wrong. Long is almost out the league, henne is a career backup, Ryan is a franchise qb.
 
WolverineFan said:
Just a general rant directed at nobody in particular. I'm seeing a lot of TV analysts and Broncos sympathizers saying the Texans overpaid. Yet 6 hours ago they were all perfectly content with whatever Elway was going to offer him.

The Texans obviously overpaid. My issue is this narrative that it wasn't an overpay if he re-signed with Denver because Elway is a genius but he signed with Houston so yea it's an overpay.
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All good points. My debate started with a ? of what I thought about Osweiller. Long story short I said I'd prefer to trade up for Wentz or Goff.
 
Texian said:
I certainly understand you taking me to task for liking the faux talented Wentz. Mike Mayock has him as his #1 QB and the first QB to be drafted. Now you may have better information and sources than Mr. Mayock so you you may have a point. In this case please don't be upset if I side with Mayock on Wentz.
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Not upset in the least. I form my own opinions based on what I see not what someone else sees.
 
amazing80 said:
PDS ‏@PatDStat 5m5 minutes ago
Looks like a $21 million cap hit in 2016 for Osweiler. All $37 guaranteed in the first two years of his deal . Essentially a two year deal.


Thats a great deal. No reason to hate this. He is expandable after year 2. Furthers my proof that this is less risky in comparison to a rookie.
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You're already getting rid of the guy and you still spent $37MM and a chance at a (better prospect) rookie would only cost you $20MM. Not sure how this is a better deal....but if you say so....
 
amazing80 said:
PDS ‏@PatDStat 5m5 minutes ago
Looks like a $21 million cap hit in 2016 for Osweiler. All $37 guaranteed in the first two years of his deal . Essentially a two year deal.
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Since folks are wound up in internecine squabbling, thought this should be repeated.
 
Texian said:
You're already getting rid of the guy and you still spent $37MM and a chance at a (better prospect) rookie would only cost you $20MM. Not sure how this is a better deal....but if you say so....
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20 mil and 3 first round draft picks, by your math.
 
leebigeztx said:
Parcells also thought Henne and Ryan were the same guy. We found out quickly he was wrong. Long is almost out the league, henne is a career backup, Ryan is a franchise qb.
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Now we all know....leebigztx... is so much smarter than Bill Parcels.
 
WolverineFan said:
Elway is familiar with him while in school...drafts him in 2nd round.
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Now this is where I thought your argument was going when you originally stated Elway thought Os was more than JaG.

He drafted him in the 2nd round. You don't draft JaG in the 2nd round.

Texian argues that it makes sense to draft & groom a 36 yr old QB's replacement. Well, you don't replace a first ballot HOFer with JaG. Schaub, yes. Peyton, not so much.

WolverineFan said:
Grooms him as backup and future starter behind all time legend. Forced to spot start and holds his own and helps team lock down home field advantage in playoffs. Elway knows him better than anyone and offers him $16M per year and $30M guaranteed. Texans offer him $18M per year and $37M guaranteed and all of a sudden the narrative is that the Broncos dodged a bullet.

Am I the only one who finds it ridiculous that it's acceptable for Denver to offer him $16M+ and $30M guaranteed but the Texans offer $18M and $37M guaranteed and it's a severe overpay?
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It's not only acceptable, it's the model we should follow. Unless, we follow it that is.
 
Wolf said:
Texans are in win now mode. Bob knows he cant waste 2-3 years waiting on a qb to develop...
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This has a Seattle Seahawks feel to it. Os is our Flynn. Savage may be our Wilson, or maybe we'll draft someone like Hogan in the third.
 
thunderkyss said:
Texian argues that it makes sense to draft & groom a 36 yr old QB's replacement. Well, you don't replace a first ballot HOFer with JaG. Schaub, yes. Peyton, not so much.
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The Broncos weren't in the ordinary replace a HOFer situation. They were orchestrating the whole thing as temporary and grooming a replacement contemporaneously.
 
Texian said:
Now we all know....leebigztx... is so much smarter than Bill Parcels.
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Nope, he's the hof coach, but he failed in dallas and he failed as gm in Miami. He passed on Matt Ryan for Jake Long and they're still suffering.
We get it, you think the Ravens should trade Flacco for draft picks if Wentz or Goff falls to them since you say he's bpa.
 
speedfreek said:
I would have waited to see what shakes out of the draft first. None
of the free agents strike me as worth the money. People had Lynch
potentially falling to us -- I've watched that guy play, he has just
as much potential as Os.

If McNair was up my ass about signing a vet, I would have gone after
someone like Chase Daniel, or tried to trade for a guy like Tolzien or
Garropolo. (someone that would have been much cheaper in terms
of picks and bucks..)

Osweiler needs to have 72 mil. of an upside, and honestly, after watching
him get benched for broken down Manning, I don't see where that upside
will come from..

Feels like we just spent Bugatti money on a Jetta GTI..
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Spending Bugatti money on a FA or spending Bugatti money on a draft pick is still spending Bugatti money. Osweiler Bugatti money is ultimately cheaper Bugatti money. You're getting a Bugatti Quit yer bitchin.
 
And those qbs might, but could the Texans afford to give up the farm to move up?? Ala redskins kinda thing with rg3?
 
Texian said:
Bottom line on tonight's discussions....thunderkyss asked for my opinion on Osweiller...bottom line, my gut tells me that in 3 yrs Wentz and Goff will be better NFL QBs than Brock Osweiller...Good night ladies...
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Yea and you are putting this into a sealed vacuum but it doesn't work that way. We don't have the number 1 pick, so those of us who are analytical think its more practical and equally as risky to sign Brock rather than mortgage your future and moving up to grab Goff or Wentz.

Losing 37 M in 2 years is not even close to losing 3 first round picks and a few 2nd rounders too. Not even close.
 
Texian said:
I certainly understand you taking me to task for liking the faux talented Wentz. Mike Mayock has him as his #1 QB and the first QB to be drafted. Now you may have better information and sources than Mr. Mayock so you you may have a point. In this case please don't be upset if I side with Mayock on Wentz.
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Tex I get ur point man I do, but what we would of had to give up to get Wentz would of been to much IMO. Will Brock be the answer at QB ? He'll I don't know, but us signing him and Miller allows us to draft other positions we have holes at which will help us in the long run. You could call today a win, just depends how u look at it.
 
FWIW, the talking heads (mostly former players) on NFLN kept mentioning how OB knew Osweiler better than he could any of the first round QB's due to the Texans practicing against the Bronco's the last 2 years. He got a chance to see how he practices (I'm sure they were closed session) and see how he prepared and studied. A big factor why OB would feel comfortable signing him in spite of only 7 games worth of film.
 
thunderkyss said:
Yeah... ok. In that case JaG is good enough.

:thinking:
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Exactly the opposite.

dalemurphy said:
Awesome deal! It is essentially a 2 year / $31 million contract with a team option in 2018 and 2019 for $20 million per year. Low risk, low commitment, especially given how healthy the Texans cap situation is this year and next. YES!!!
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Not familiar with that site but it doesn't match the prior report of a $21 mil cap charge this year and all $37 mil guaranteed paid in the 1st 2 years.
 
Texian said:
The difference here is I've a strong conviction that Wentz and Goff will be franchise QBs with several Pro Bowls along the way. Osweiller coming out of college wasn't close to having their resumes and was much more of a Paxton Lynch coming out of college. Yes, by all means, if you want to breakout the Kool-Aid, then Breakout the Kool-Aid.
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Which NFL franchise do you work for again?

Your opinion is fine until you start with the condescending kool-aid drinking bullshit with people who aren't down to that opinion. The people who actually get paid to evaluate talent miss all the time. Who are you?

I simply just found your reasoning odd that in one post you say you need more than 7 games to decide on Osweiler, and your very next contribution has you driving the "kool-aid" bus with Goff and Wentz with 0 games played.

Pardon the interruption, you may resume your fantasy scout/GM game you play.
 
texanhead08 said:
All Brock's guaranteed money is in first two years of deal so if this crashes and burns Texans cut him and find the next one.
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And that's why you still draft Hogan on down the line.

It's pretty apparent now that Savage will not be saving anything but gnats from drowning in the Gatorade bucket.
 
Texian said:
Well he's got those 7 NFL starts and an 86.4 QB rating to show for them which ranks him #41. That puts him in fine company and just behind Case Keenum, Geno Smith and Ryan Fitzpatrick and that's worth $72MM these days.
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I guess you've decided that 7 games is enough now?
 
EVOLVIST said:
And that's why you still draft Hogan on down the line.

It's pretty apparent now that Savage will not be saving anything but gnats from drowning in the Gatorade bucket.
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I really want to make a wrestling pun but i'm tired and savage never crossed paths with brock so take this.
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Texian, like you I really like Wentz, even before his stock skyrocketed. Lets face it though it was highly unlikely the Texans were going to be in position to acquire him or Goff. IMO Brock is as good an option as the tier 2 rookies that would have been available for us later in the draft, and a much better option than the oft injured RGIII. I'm with you, I would have loved for the team to make a major move for Wentz but it just doesn't seem likely that would have been in the cards and I personally would have been more upset had the Texans sat on their hands until the draft only to fail to acquire Wents or be forced to spend 4-6 picks to get him.
 
infantrycak said:
Not familiar with that site but it doesn't match the prior report of a $21 mil cap charge this year and all $37 mil guaranteed paid in the 1st 2 years.
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I believe that site is owned and run by our own Troy Chapman.
 
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